So no pressure then…

Online Ed: Who is accountable for Arsenal’s lamentable transfer window?



So no pressure then…


So there was no Mesut Ozil-style late surprise signing yesterday. Arsenal, with at least £65 million excess cash in the bank available for new signings, decided that the club is better served with the money in the bank rather than improving the quality of the players on the field.

With that kind of money, quality is available, and better players than the club currently have can be purchased. Strikers better than the Gunners have made moves this season. Realistic bids could have secured others. However, it takes the will to do it. A football club of genuine ambition will use all of its available resources to improve its chances. Manchester City, Manchester United and Chelsea have done that in recent seasons, and managed to this summer as well. Granted, Arsenal could not compete with them for some time, but in 2015 they certainly had a great deal of cash that was not used.

Who is to blame? Arsene Wenger? His reputation for dithering and not wishing to pay the going price would indicate that the fault lies with him. There seems no reason the board would leave cash in the bank if it hurts the team’s chances of success, although some will believe it. Ultimately though, it is the board’s fault for allowing the situation to develop whereby the manager is making the financial decisions. They should get a list of the players he is interested in at the end of May, then tell him to go on holiday.

Arsenal finished 12 points short of first place last season. The belief, presumably, is that the same group of players, plus Petr Cech will be good enough to make up the difference and gain 85 plus points. Arsene Wenger is not even certain who is his best centre forward, his options are that good.

If the club maintain the line that it is too difficult to buy players, then someone needs to be made accountable. It isn’t that difficult. You approach the club concerned and negotiate a deal. It isn’t rocket science.

When the stadium move was planned, the fans were informed by the then chairman Peter Hill-Wood that the spending on the team would not be affected. That turned out to be a lie. Now we are told by Ivan Gazidis that Arsenal can be Bayern Munich. He said this two years ago. How’s that plan going then Ivan? He looks pretty stupid now. Bayern Munich make efforts to strengthen their squad every summer by improving in positions where they think they are not as good as they can be. And make no mistake, it is a squad game now.

Even if one ignores the centre forward issue, there is not enough depth in other areas. Another Coquelin type is needed, whilst Calum Chambers is not yet ready for what he may be asked to do given how injury prone the two first choice centre backs are. So, two or three signings short of challenging. Sound familiar?

I haven’t looked elsewhere online or on Twitter to see the reaction, but I can imagine it isn’t positive. The first bad result after this will see the knives out again. Players such as Alexis will question the club’s genuine ambition and may consider a fresh challenge under a manager that can credibly compete for the big trophies rather than domestic cups. Arsenal’s resources mean they should habitually be in the last eight in Europe for starters. I have long believed another manager that does tactics could get more out of this group of players, as well as bringing in better with more assiduous use of the transfer market than the current incumbent. Wenger immediately handicaps his players in the Champions League by not even training on the opposition pitch the evening before the game so that his men can get accustomed to the surface and the environment.

Anyway, more groundhog day. The challenge for a top four place is back on, whilst those who can smell the coffee hope to God there are only two more seasons of this stasis.

I am now on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

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  1. jjetplane

    Sep 07, 2015, 20:45 #75513

    Totally wrong on Pires who loved a ruck as did Overmars and Freddie. You really don't have a clue ....

  2. mbg

    Sep 07, 2015, 17:29 #75495

    It'll do his confidence the world of good alright until he gets back to wenger.

  3. Westlower

    Sep 07, 2015, 15:04 #75481

    @JJ Of those three, only Paddy hit the ground running.The other two needed longer to acclimatise. Bobby sh*t himself when he first saw the PL neanderthals strutting their stuff.

  4. jjetplane

    Sep 07, 2015, 14:10 #75474

    Bit like what feels a century of 'wait and see' on Wenger. 'Hold your nerve' is another current classic from the AKB handbook ..... Can you imagine the likes of Dennis, Bobby or Paddy thinking like that? GAWD ......

  5. Ron

    Sep 07, 2015, 10:10 #75446

    I reckon that injury took the steam out of Ramsey. He was looking like the real deal till Mr Shawcross intervened. Hes 25 now. He is what you see and in my view wont get much better. Hes the David Price of the team. Hes there, makes his mark on the odd match here and there, the odd goal but never a player to dominate a game. Done wonderfully well to even get back into football. Unfortunately for him, a new and more driven Coach would more than likely take the view that hes surplus to requirements and sell him or explain and offer him a squad role at best if he wanted it.In the modern game Westie 'wait and see' doesn't really apply to 25 yr olds. Thats for 17 and 18 yr olds. The days of the late developer have gone.

  6. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 07, 2015, 10:05 #75445

    Westflower : I would not have wanted Alonso to score goals - he would have been the proper replacement for Gilberto. Ramsey is still unsure of his right position in the team as are half a dozen other players. Ramsey as DM is as daft as JW playing that role. Ramsey should play CM as should Santi, Ozil and every other midfield player we have on our books, the team lacks balance and leadership.

  7. Westlower

    Sep 07, 2015, 9:06 #75443

    @Seven Kings Gooner, I agree Alonso was a brilliant player at his peak but let's wait and see what Ramsey achieves in his career. There is a 9 year gap between them and Ramsey's best years are still ahead of him. While Alonso is the better defender, Ramsey (aged 17-24) has a superior PL goal scoring record, averaging 1 goal every 7 games compared to Alonso, 1 goal every 9.5 games, when at Liverpool (aged 23-28). His goal scoring dried up at RM scoring 1 goal every 39.5 games or 1 goal per season. Ramsey may yet follow Alonso's path to RM & team up with fellow Welshman Bale. Looking forward to seeing them opposing each other when Bayern play at the Emirates on October 20th. Good to hear that Gedion Zelalem is getting rave reviews from the Rangers fans & manager Mark Warburton. It'll do his confidence the world of good.

  8. Ron

    Sep 07, 2015, 7:15 #75442

    Hi Cyril - never heard that. I bet it was good. Hes a lovely bloke. Wonder what Wenger wd have done with him. Equally adept as a winger or centre fwd wasnt he ....and nobody took liberties with Mike either. Tough as teak. That great City team were. Played lovely football didnt they, but the likes of the great Leeds team didnt risk engaging in a physical 'war' with them. Summerbee, Doyle, Oakes, Lee, Heslop and a few others were more than capable of looking after themselves. What an attack they had. Lee, Summerbee, Young, and Tony Coleman. Colin Bell was an attacker and midfielder rolled into one. Rodney Marsh later on too, though he wasnt in the great City side of 1968 - 71. Fond memories of my time up in Manchester. I was very lucky to see them in their pomp.

  9. Cyril

    Sep 06, 2015, 23:57 #75441

    Ron, have you listened to the Mike Summerbee experience on talk sport with Danny Kelly. Fantastic, great footballer and a great Englishman. Refreshing ....

  10. mbg

    Sep 06, 2015, 20:58 #75440

    SKG, and show the manager too, that's the main reason he was never signed.

  11. mbg

    Sep 06, 2015, 20:43 #75439

    jj, you can bet your life if their messiah had melded cash flow with success he'd have been elevated to god of gods and the AKB's would have been calling for Monday's to be done away with and replaced with another Sunday specially for worshiping Lord wenger.

  12. mbg

    Sep 06, 2015, 20:21 #75438

    Is there any word or news of TOF yet? is he back in the country? We're all dying to find out and be told about (as someone has already alluded to) the top top quality world class signings we just missed out on, if only we'd had another hour.

  13. Ron

    Sep 06, 2015, 19:48 #75437

    SKG - go with the flow of Westies spin mate. Alonso will be a better player than Aaron Ramsey with ever be when hes 45, never mind 33. Im not totally sure Westlower really believes what he says half the time. Maybe then shades he wears are just too dense to see the light though? Who knows!

  14. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 06, 2015, 19:39 #75436

    Westflower : you would n't swap Ramsey for Alonso!! - are we talking about the Alonso of 5 - 6 years ago when we could have bought him or are we talking about Alonso now? I think you will find we did n't buy Alonso, when we could have because it might of killed Denilson! The Alonso now, would still do a great job for us providing of course our manager did n't play him wide left. Not buying Bayern's anchor man when we could have was one of the poorest decisions made by AFC in the last 10 years. Even now, at 33, I would love him at our club - I think it is because he could show a few of our players some real winners medals.

  15. gooner4life

    Sep 06, 2015, 18:59 #75435

    I haven't been on here for long, just reading the posts from the last month or so. Supported Arsenal for over 50 years so seen a lot of good times mixed in with awful times. I am not sure why the same posters post the same thing, every single day and try to disguise it in a different way. Wenger has two more years and then a new man will come in. So why post continuously the same stuff even when it has nothing to do with the article? Some of the posters even admit to not going anymore and lost all faith in the team and management yet continue to put a negative spin on every poster who tries to put their side of the argument, which tends to support the current management. Coyg

  16. Ron

    Sep 06, 2015, 18:03 #75434

    Thats my point Chris, i dont know. What i do know is that while the Chelsea debt may be soft loan hitherto, there's no absolute that it wont be called in. Chelsea would then have the mother of problems no doubt. Either way, there are no gifts in life. One way or another Chelsea will pay, just not necessarily by using their gains and profits to pay a debt conventionally. Whatever, it is, in my view Arsenals perennial level is too easily and conveniently explained simply by using other Clubs finances as the reason. Its only ever going to be a partial reason. The rest of the explanation (for me)resides in the Coach's office and the Boardroom as is oft stated. For what its worth, for RA to have done what hes done there in 10 yrs is phenomenal. As i recall he absorbed 600 plus million pounds worth of debt before he started. Paid Bates a tidy sum just to get that awful little man out of his hair despite Chelsea then having no assets nor value.In 8 yrs he turned a profit from that start and made Chelsea known across the World. The borderline hatred of them (and him)on here is extraordinary. Having said all of this the success on the pitch has come down to management, not simply cash. For 6 yrs of that period we ve had a Board who have often come out and said that Wenger has the funds to buy genuinely top players or that funds would be found. Save for Sanchez (maybe),hes not done it. The debate continues as to why not. The envy of Chelsea and City that emerges from this site every day from people protecting their Wenger eggs, doesn't explain his and the Clubs policies and practices in the same decade. The irony is that Arsenal keep a man out who s the equal of RA. Its not hard to see the reasons, he ll rattle cages and disturb the social Club that AFC have been for far too long.

  17. Danny

    Sep 06, 2015, 16:29 #75433

    This transfer window has shown that Arsenal and particular Wenger has lost the plot. Maureen is correct , he a specialist failure, and I am convince Arsenal will not beat Maureen’s team this club. A great coach will always outwit a fraud! Until a proper owner and chief executive comes on board and puts pressure on this idiot or gets a proper coach who want to get the best out of this club instead of lining his own pockets we will always be a loser. The FA cup win’s have just delayed his execution. We should act on and protest!. Benzema and Kondogbia have just come out and said they have NO interest in joining Arsenal in the summer. Surely that tells you great players want to win. They surely not going to come a selfie driven club Wenger out!

  18. jjetplane

    Sep 06, 2015, 15:32 #75432

    We have three leagues consisting of big money fodder (BMF), relegation fodder (RF) and proper football clubs (PFC). May the seasons of Palace, Swansea, Southampton, Stoke, Leicester, West Ham, Everton rock the league like never before. Loving this season so far and Citeh are looking already how Arsenal looked before Wenger became part of the rich and the bored. Ever noticed how not one comment ever comes out as to someone wanting Wenger at their club for over a decade now. Accountants are really not that hard to find. Let's hope Arsenal as a club make a reappearance before the great fizzle out. Predict that if Ramsay keeps enjoying himself in Baleworld he will be looking to RM to take him away from the lethargy of money first, football second. Under Milk Wood ....

  19. jjetplane

    Sep 06, 2015, 13:51 #75431

    Ha ha you are scraping a barrel there lad! You are simply exposing a momentum created by GG which has now vanished. You sound like the bitter one now. I am absolutely loving going to football games. You should try it. Your post confounds the working theory that Arsene has done diddly**** since Lauren scored that penalty .... Look at Ramsay enjoying himself away from the wok working with a great coach and a top top player. How bitter you are! Poor old Arsene's face is beginning to look like a map of the Amazonian Basin topped with grey clouds. Like NIcK says - his time has been and gone and you appear to have missed it!

  20. Westlower

    Sep 06, 2015, 13:00 #75430

    @JJ You really are showing your ignorance of Arsenal teams now. How does AW's defence of Lehmann, Lauren, Toure, Campbell, Cole grab you compared to GG's Seaman, Dixon, Adams, Bould, Winterburn? Your twisted bitterness is blurring your limited vision.

  21. jjetplane

    Sep 06, 2015, 12:47 #75429

    Opinions opinions and you always think you have the right ones wEStIE. Are you an accounts man like your master? Your posts are becoming more banal by the day and I imagine when most see them, they spot the numbers (yawn) as though you imagine you are doing us all a service. You are not and I contrast with RON, NICK and others who you know can talk football. Everything you have to say is referenced. Two little points though - last CL winners are Citeh, Chelsea becuse Wenger has been found out once the GG defence had come to an end. Any stats for how many times the Arsene Back four will turn their backs on the ball this season as it goes screaming into the net. Your general hostility to other teams is all a bit plastic and more the domain of the virtual supporter. When you attend games you build up respect for good and better opponents. You are obviously very pro-capitalist so am bemused how you cannot respect how Citeh and Chelsea have melded the cash flow with a winning product. The Arsene model, though sweetly packaged may appeal to a world lost in quasi-manga imagery and may have a reference to his days in Japan, but once the packaging is pulled off layer by layer you are left with a Karaoke team. Great to see CHRiS back with his great posts .... Quiet tiring RON having to deal with these casual posters .... AMOS will have to make a show now WESTIE has swasllowed Pocket Calculator (Kraftwerk).

  22. Westlower

    Sep 06, 2015, 11:55 #75428

    @Ron Clubs with the resources of Citeh, CFC & Man U can barely fail to finish 123. Whether you want to recognize it or not, according to Forbes, Arsenal still have a debt of £259m, which must handicap us in the transfer windows, compared to debt free Citeh & CFC. Man U are a different animal as they are throwing money at any player with a pulse. Abramovich gave his £890m gift before the creation of FFP but Citeh were only partially there and as a consequence were fined + being penalised with a transfer embargo & playing a reduced squad in ECL last year. Citeh argued they shouldn't have been fined for their overspend because they are debt free. In their present ownership Citeh will never build up an unsustainable debt because the owner has covered all debts. To promote investments in new stadiums, training facilities, youth & women's football, all such costs are excluded from the FFP break-even calculation. Not every player would choose AFC over RM or Barcelona. Does anyone truly believe Liverpool would have sold us Suarez? If we had got him we wouldn't have bought Alexis. If we bought Lloris we wouldn't have got Cech. I wouldn't swap Cahill for Koscielny or Alonso for Ramsey. Thankfully we didn't buy Balotelli, someone you were pushing for as I recall. Swings & roundabouts isn't it? Just a game of opinions.

  23. Chris

    Sep 06, 2015, 11:40 #75427

    Ron - Can you enlighten us as to how Chelsea and Citeh will be repaying their owners the literally approaching a billion pounds in each case that their respective owners have put in?

  24. Hiccup

    Sep 06, 2015, 10:51 #75426

    The latest Opta Index figures released today show that Martin Tyler mentions the words Manchester United on average, 165 times during a game, and Westie mentions Chelsea 184 times a day on the Online Gooner. Unfortunately, I don't think even FFP will have an impact on such matters.

  25. Nick

    Sep 06, 2015, 10:47 #75425

    Wenger had known well before the window closed that Welbeck would be out long term, he knew a few years back that Vermallen would be out long term and did nothing to rectify the situation in January, that decision cost us dear as I suspect will his inaction this term. Our last three title tilts 2008, 2011, and 2014, were all marked as failures,because of two things , 1 the failure to properly strengthen the squad in either window and gamble on the fitness of a small squad and 2 our penchant for not turning up against the so called lesser teams, ie Stoke away, Swansea away and at home and 3 dropping points from winning positions,if you analyze those seasons you will see that despite the losses sometimes heavy losses against our main rivals has we been more efficient against the lesser sides we would still have gone on to lift the title, THAT is not all down to money but rank bad management and man motivation, couple that with the lack of investment in the PROPER areas and you see the reason why and the common denominator for these failures, WENGER ! so you have parsimony, stubbornness and sheer arrogance that his way is right, that he is the only sane man amongst a population of the mentally challenged, I dont believe he wants us to fail but if winning means admitting he's been wrong then he would rather not win at all, his constant and regular gambling on the fitness of small squads, illustrates this. He has been a great manager for us in the past over a decade ago now, thought admittedly helped enormously by George Grahams legacy , the famous defence, we did play up untill 2006 Some of the most exciting and skilful football ever seen on these shores, but all things come to an end , the mighty Roman empire even the all powerful British Empire, Wenger is now like Nero but instead of playing his fiddle while Rome burns he presses buttons on his calculator counting passes and pouring and gloating over possession stats , yes all thing come to an end and if you have eyes to see and a brain to think with you will come to the conclusion that Wengers time has come and indeed gone !

  26. Ron

    Sep 06, 2015, 9:49 #75424

    Westie - moreoever, why not address my points about the many players Wenger declined to sign over many years, which didnt need enormous expenditure who were clearly a large upgrade on what he had at the time thus satisfying his own criteria? Far better than exploding with vein bursting rage every time you see the name Chelsea surely?

  27. Ron

    Sep 06, 2015, 9:39 #75423

    Westie - yr starting point is that Chelsea s debt 'doesn't have to be repaid'. That means youre saying theyre is nil chance of them having ever to be repaid in whole or in part. I d love to see yr evidence for that. The debts are structured through Fordstram and while on its face RA owes RA, he cant now under the new rules just gift money and call it a loan, hence Chelsea s loan level being very high now and why theyve not spent silly cash for some time. This site isnt for unscrambling Co Law though and with all due respect if Forbes is yr guide to it, i d stick to horses if i was you. Its a football site and in any event you display an irrational level of dislike for Chelsea FC for some reason. it tends to cloud yr views of them in my opinion. Finally, no, i meant Arsenal. Villa are a poor team. Arsenal are slightly above an average one. Being in a mini league within a league doesn't make them a good one. A club with their resources, whoever manages them, can barely fail to finish 4th.

  28. Westlower

    Sep 06, 2015, 8:16 #75422

    @Ron, You continue to underestimate the role that the Sugar Daddies play at Citeh & Chelsea. In the current list of Forbes most valuable clubs, Man U are worth $3,100,000,000, Citeh $1,380,000,000, Chelsea $1,370,000,000 & AFC $1,310,000,000. The debt each club has is given as a percentage of it's current worth. Man U 20%, Citeh 0%, Chelsea 0% & AFC 30%. Remind me again how these sugar daddies 'gifts' are repaid? In a survey issued last week Arsenal were the 2nd most supported PL club in 55 countries world wide, including USA & Japan. Chelsea were top club. Somebody at Arsenal is doing something right! Have you confused your description of Arsenal with Aston Villa? Now they really are pretty average (sic).

  29. Mr.B

    Sep 06, 2015, 0:31 #75421

    I'm not a member here but I've just read through all the posts, very interesting views. One thing I read here was Arsenal like rich fans as they are less likely to kick up a fuss. I remember reading some posts on a site somewhere before stadium move where season ticket holders were taken to the new stadium and offered a seat from a selection. I believe some members said they were basically split up from the people they were sat with before, in essence splitting up the passionate/core fans, I remember some said they wouldn't renew their membership. I used to be a Red member and went to some games with my son but more recently over the past couple of years I just buy tickets from the net and mostly find myself surrounded by lots of people who haven't been there before (like of Chinese fans/families visiting the country). I have no problem with this, great they get to see Arsenal but it doesn't help the atmosphere and I guess they are happy win or lose. I wonder how many seats are sold this way on match day.

  30. nz gooner

    Sep 06, 2015, 0:03 #75420

    great posts bin here glad I have found a great home to come to for a vast knowledge and intelligent conversation

  31. nz gooner

    Sep 05, 2015, 23:50 #75419

    exactly right I loved the read I will be back to read more on wards and up-wards AW out

  32. mbg

    Sep 05, 2015, 18:33 #75418

    Ho Hum, you could well be right, and indeed probably are, but after another embarrassment, humiliation, which I and others expect to see before to long things could change very quickly indeed with the shyte hitting the fan. But in the meantime that doesn't mean fans should give up and accept the status quo, (enough have already done that)far from it, a couple of results or a mini run against mediocre opposition will change nothing. It certainly doesn't mean fans should stop saying it like it is, saying what they think, calling it like it is, telling the truth, calling for what they want, wenger out.

  33. Ho Hum

    Sep 05, 2015, 17:40 #75417

    mbg- Yes mate hope so but then again maybe he was playing to the gallery last year. Who knows? All we know for sure is that nothing's changing in these here parts any time soon.

  34. Gaz

    Sep 05, 2015, 17:32 #75416

    Ok, I'm obviously coming at this from the critical drama queen angle but I'd be very surprised if a neutral come onto this site and thought the pro Wenger argument was stronger than the anti Wenger argument. I reckon our fans have forgotten that in football managers come and go and clubs move on. They may move in different directions and not the ones we all want to see but move they do. And that has to be better than this perpetual Groundhog Day we keep on going through...

  35. mbg

    Sep 05, 2015, 17:02 #75415

    Ho Hum, hopefully he was only playing to the gallery when he said he'd keep TOF because that should be the very first thing on his agenda.

  36. Ho Hum

    Sep 05, 2015, 16:51 #75414

    Danny- I was referring to Usmanov's money but of course you have a point that it would be wonderful if he bought out Wiggy and immediately sacked Le Fraud. However I don't think the chances of that would be high as (despite having a dig last year) only weeks ago he said 'If I have the right, I keep Arsene until he wants. It is a gift for a club to have him as manager'. Wenger remains safe because the vast majority of fans will happily accept stagnation and missed opportunities as long as The Great Man is still around. Change is terrifying, and is to be resisted with every fibre of their being.

  37. mbg

    Sep 05, 2015, 16:46 #75413

    There'll be no more heroes anymore, no more heroes anymore, cause there's no more transfers anymore there'll be no more heroes any more.

  38. Ron

    Sep 05, 2015, 16:43 #75412

    The only truth that the backers of Mr Wenger ever consistently repeat is that Chelsea, City and Utd have more immediately available money than Arsenal. It ends there. The fallacy consistently hinged on is that the money put in by their owners doesn't have to be 're paid'. It does, but the mechanics of how such money is raised and then repaid within their respective companies is very convoluted. At a basic level though, it staggers me though to think that anybody could even think that the extent of the cash input is merely a 'gift'. What World do some people live in to think this? Who do you think these people are? They certainly havent accumulated the wealth that they have by gifting it away. Wealth comparatives or not, Mr Wengers backers also ignore the number of players who at different times in the last 10 yrs have been available to buy, yet they've not been recruited. Usually on the basis of a million or so (and often less) that wasn't offered to take AFC over the line to recruit better players. Alonso, Cahill, Higuain, Lloris, Schwartzer and arguably Suarez who i argue with the right players thrown in such as Walcott could have been recruited to name but just 5/6 who certainly did fulfill the Wenger criteria of being 'better than what the Club had got'. When will you realise that Wenger and Gazadis is playing with your heads? The Club and Wenger never fails to mention who we 'nearly signed'. Brace yourselves soon to hear how 'close' the Club got to buying Cavani, Benzema and doubtless a few others. They didnt get close. They flirt sufficiently so to interest the media and thus the fans but not enough to reach a concrete conclusion. With Arsenals wealth a top Coach has the resources to win a title there. Utd City and Chelsea arent brilliant every season. The myths that you fasten on to are that they never have indifferent seasons. In those Seasons Arsenal aren't even close. All 3 were pretty poor 3 yrs back when Utd won a title by losing to all of the others at the top, bar Arsenal of course, yet still won the title. Arsenal were not even at the races. Its conceivable that a new Coach could fail. Of course it is. Much would depend on the terms of the job hes asked to do. As it is, the job is perhaps a hiding to nothing if nothing changed from the Board room level. What isnt an option is leaving things as they are. This team wont win a title this yr Westie. Kid yself not. Have you not watched them? Theyre pretty average. As far as SK not wanting moderate levels goes, theyre already moderate. Moreover, his franchises in the US are too. Have you never checked? He makes money from them all. AFC are at the level this Board and Wenger wants. Theyre as happy as larry with it. Its badly disappointing that the match going fans are. People at the heads of a large business are never free from being pushed to achieve better. At Arsenal they are. They are because their customers are by and large lemmings whove bought the myth, hook line and sinker.Its very similar to Marks And Spencers who for 20 yrs until 5 yrs ago had sold their loyal customers the myth that only they still sold 'quality' and that to stock their shelves with better would have required vast sums that they couldn't expect to be able to make. They customers saw through it in the end. Their executives becasme fat and lazy, but still very comfortable. Business analysts and their rivals started to mock them and in the end so did their own customers. Its happening at Arsenal now thankfully. The tacit acceptance that Wenger can do no wrong has at at last been breached. For business analysts, substitute pundits. Its good to see. Only the Westies of this World are refusing to remove their blinkers. The average age of match goers at the doleful bowl is very high. Mid to late 40s. The onset of age creates a settling for comfort mentality unfortunately. The writings on the wall there though and not before time. Go Mr Wenger, while you still have a semblance of respectability.

  39. Danny

    Sep 05, 2015, 16:22 #75411

    We need Usmanov to come out and buy the club outright and fire the specialist in failure plus teh bald headed Yank or at least lambaste him in public

  40. Ho Hum

    Sep 05, 2015, 16:08 #75410

    Westlower- No, I'm sure you don't think Wenger has ever failed and I'm equally sure you wouldn't admit it on here if you ever felt he had. But that's the big problem with our fanbase mate, so many have been conditioned to accept mediocrity and underachievement that 10 years with no serious title challenge is forgotten with the win of a devalued cup competition. There is still no real pressure on him (84% approval rating from the AST!), despite the title of this piece, and recent injuries have given you and others the opportunity to repeat one of your favourite excuses throughout this season. We don't need Usmanov (and he couldn't spend his money anyway as incorporated into new FFP rules is the tightening of 3 year losses from €45m to €30m so you should be happy about that, very contrary to that which you implied in your earlier post!) as we have the required cash within the club as we are but despite the best efforts of numerous directors over many years, Wenger refuses to spend enough enough to take us to the next level and to compensate for his deficiencies as a tactical coach.

  41. jjetplane

    Sep 05, 2015, 15:56 #75409

    Can you describe the Boardroom for us? Is your AKB mobile bulletproof? Have you been present at BADArsE's contract negotiations? How many players have Arsenal out on loan? How much is a pie, any old any old pie? Seriously though - what is the real Arsene like? Go on - tell tell tell?!

  42. Westlower

    Sep 05, 2015, 15:16 #75408

    @Ho Hum, After only 4 games it's too early to say we won't win the PL. Finishing 3rd & winning the FA Cup last season isn't my definition of failure. Nick hopes that Usmanov's funds will be brought into play, but that is wishful thinking with the existing boardroom politics.

  43. jjetplane

    Sep 05, 2015, 14:30 #75407

    WEstIe sounds like a spokesperson for the club with US US US (United States?) & has that Wenger thing as though it's his money! I can vaguely get bemused with others who actually support the team by following them in the flesh.' Maybe WEstiE is simply the fan equivalent of Wenger as manager. If Wenger could get away with it he like Westie would probably watch it from an armchair. Probably why he is so uncomfortable in the dug out. It's vulgar and it's beneath him.

  44. Ho Hum

    Sep 05, 2015, 14:22 #75406

    Westlower- Does the 'softening' of FFP allow City and Chelsea to spend what they like? You know it doesn't. The slight relaxation of rules is aimed squarely at smaller clubs under new ownership, not at established oil-rich outfits. Wenger knows this as well of course, but he also knows that any excuse for failure he offers will be lapped up by AKBs without question. This is the third season we've comfortably had the financial resources to win the Premier League. Unfortunately we don't have the manager. Next excuse please.

  45. Hiccup

    Sep 05, 2015, 13:17 #75405

    Bard, a few years ago we were told to bide our time and we will be able to compete with the big boys for transfers. Now we are told in the near future, we will be able to pick players up for free, so it's daft to spend on transfer fees now. Can you imagine the scenario in 3 years time if this was actually to be true. Unfortunately, there are no players available to come to arsenal, because they are asking silly money, ie £400k/week. And the AKB's would crow, look at United paying all that wage for a 19 year old. Wenger was right to sign no one on those wages. But don't worry, because in the near future, players from The French league will leave in their droves and be willing to play for us for free, because Platini wrote that in an article! It's also amazing how the salary that Sterling picks up is quite obscene. It's so obscene that he takes more home than Wenger on his paltry £8m, which is far from obscene, right?

  46. Westlower

    Sep 05, 2015, 12:31 #75404

    @Nick, I do believe we are trying to win the PL, despite lacking the vast resources of the Manchester clubs & CFC. I'm content that AFC live within their own generated monetary means because that is the proper way to run any business/football club. I admit that unless a benefactor pours in vast amounts of new money that doesn't have to repaid, aka Citeh & CFC, we are at a financial disadvantage. I also believe it's obscene that Chelsea have 33 players out on loan & Man City pay Sterling nearly twice as much as Wenger earns. Who's going to put the brakes on the greedy clubs now that the softening of FFP has failed to halt the runaway train? Your solution is to join them & I understand your sound reasoning. We've long since sold our souls & our assets to the highest bidder but to protect his investment SK cannot allow AFC to ever become mediocre. Whether we can find the financial resources to make us Champions again, only time will tell.

  47. mbg

    Sep 05, 2015, 12:26 #75403

    Funny how we're always hearing from some, times have changed, we've moved on, it's/we're a different animal these days(has always been a favourite for some) move with it is another favourite for some, the league is awash with money now, big fees are been paid, move with the times?? well it's a pity someone hasn't informed the Club and our old Dinosaur of a manager. You couldn't make it up.

  48. mbg

    Sep 05, 2015, 11:53 #75402

    Mark from Aylesbury, you've a good memory I remember that Tuesday as well over a year ago now I think, when we were all supposed to wake up dead or with two heads, the fact it was predicted by an AKB says it all. Your right it's great to be able to differentiate between Arsenal FC and arsene fc it's very healthy indeed. But it must be a great burden for the arsene fans and cult members, one they carry on their shoulders everyday especially as he keeps letting them down again and again, they really have to be questioning themselves all the time, they wouldn't know themselves if they broke away from the cult of wenger, or indeed took the decision to come out and tell some of us WOB's we were right along but just hadn't the courage to admit it, they wouldn't know themselves after it, it would be like a new lease of life, the same as having a bad or rotten tooth that has been giving you toothache for years pulled, as soon as the dentist pops it out you can feel the relief and the pain ease. And there would be no I told you so or gloating from the WOB's like about time you woke up an smelled the coffee, got your head out of wengers arse, or taking the piss, no all they'd hear is well done welcome to the family.

  49. Nick

    Sep 05, 2015, 10:58 #75401

    Westflower , so you agree with me ? Odd then that you spoke of how a pint and a pack of fags, taught you the value of money, I was talking about the average wage more than what we earned on apprentice money, even taking relativity into account the cost of the age old working class pleasures of a beer a ciggie and a football game were CHEAP, and AFFORDABLE back them , but TV , Govt ( Thatcher) and greedy clubs and players have forever changed the landscape football is no longer the domain of the working class its been taken away from us and given to the middle and corporate classes and bloody tourists, I was saying that in light of that it would behoove the club to realistically ASPIRE to win titles because in the long term that is going to be the main way of attracting new generations of supporters, but in almost politician style you avoided the thrust of what id said and waffled merrily on about nothing, Arsenal have helped create the current football landscape while the likes of City and Chelsea have loaded the dice in their favour, to thrive in this environment Arsenal must arm themselves with the requisite weapons to fight the battle, FFP , was a dead duck from the get go, so we must utilize the resources we have ,if that includes using the offered funds of Usmanov then so be it , but to continue in the vein we are will doom the club to mediocrity!

  50. Bard

    Sep 05, 2015, 10:57 #75400

    I do love this site. One minute we are discussing transfers and the next mass migration of German players to the PL. I must admit Im confused. I thought mass migration was to Germany not away from it. I worry that all our players will run down their contracts and move to Germany where the economy is thriving. I did hear that Rambo is learning German in his spare time. The painful contortions of the AKBs to support the current incompetence at Arsenal is wonderful to read.

  51. Gaz

    Sep 05, 2015, 10:52 #75399

    Chris. I doubt Wenger cares about any of us so I wouldn’t worry about it fella! Think you’re mixing me up with somebody else though if you reckon my goals were fourth place and a Cup win! As for being pro-Wenger I think you’re mixing me up with somebody else again as I may have talked about supporting him but the days of me being pro-Wenger are long gone. As for the rest it’s just the usual AKB rubbish which doesn’t really interest me….apart from the Christmas bit which did actually upset me!...

  52. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 05, 2015, 9:49 #75398

    Chris - in case you missed it, the 'discussion' has been about whether the last transfer window indicates AFC are serious about competing or not. Going ad hominem on an individual poster because you don't like the way he expresses himself doesn't really add much. Indeed it's rather negative and drags the level down. We already have colesyboy doing that with his abuse borne of an inability to handle an attack upon his argument. Play the man, not the ball.

  53. Hiccup

    Sep 05, 2015, 9:48 #75397

    You heard it here first guys and gals. The transfer system is dead. There will be no more transfers as players run down there contracts and demand higher wages. Makes you wonder why Sterling forced a move away from Liverpool if this is the case. And why did John Stones put in a transfer request? Surely he'd have been better sitting out his contract if this is the case. And why didn't Anthony Martial stay at Monaco? Because colesey is talking crap again, that's why. You see, the kind of players that see out their contracts, are the Bendtner's and Almunia's. Yes the dross that can't be shifted. It may be wengers policy to wait and pick up a bargain such as chamack running his contract down, but then when no one else is interested in such crap, this is what happens. So I once again ask for patience. Wenger is waiting for all the German league players to run their contracts down, and then we'll go fishing. In the next year or two, with all our funds, we'll be able to pay them top dollar, as the mass German migration to England will begin, as all the German clubs just let their top players walk out the door for nothing. Bring back Jamie, please. At least when he talked his crap, half of it was tongue in cheek.

  54. Chris

    Sep 05, 2015, 9:17 #75396

    Gaz - You don't half come across as a drama queen! First we have weeks of 'ooh I've decided that if we win the FA Cup AND finish fourth, I'm gonna give Wenger one more chance." And then when we achieve the goals, it's "OK, I'm pro-Wenger now, as long as he brings me a new striker, a new DM, the moon on a stick and a palace made of solid diamond." Now, because he couldn't sign the striker he wanted and lost a game, you'd have thought we'd be relegated by all the bleating going on. FFS man, we just finished 3rd, behind the 2 clubs with unlimited resources and ahead of one whose resources massively outstrip ours. We won the FA Cup for the 2nd year in a row. You've completely lost the plot, both with all your conditional will-I wont-I self-important twaddle about supporting Wenger (I hope he doesn't give a flying F whether you do or don't) and with your appraisal of "each humiliating defeat, crap transfer window" etc. You'd have thought we hadn't bought anyone for years! Spoilt kid. No Christmas presents for you this year. FFS, man up.

  55. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 05, 2015, 8:14 #75395

    If players run their contracts down then there is no transfer fee, so the club receives nothing for releasing a player. Hence the worry in Germany about the transfer tsunami as was stated by Rummenigge in the press. The money stays in England and that's why Germany is wanting to renegotiate the TV contract also. Got it now Hiccup?

  56. Cyril

    Sep 05, 2015, 1:32 #75394

    Ofcourse Arsenal want to challenge. But since 2006, by proxy only! My love for the club will always remain and my input cannot be challenged, just like all those fans who travel away and who support at home. Great fans everywhere regardless of if you can attend. The club will remain in my eyes for the people. The club should follow the will and desire of it's people. It should morph to our thoughts. It's quite straightforward to me. I am so disappointed you know! Nevermind, worst things have happened at sea!

  57. Hiccup

    Sep 04, 2015, 22:51 #75393

    So there were no players available because they're all running their contracts down to get bigger wages. Oh, so all the TV money flushing about is for clubs to pick up cheap bargains when players have run their contracts down, and then give it all away as wages. I see now...

  58. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 04, 2015, 22:26 #75392

    More crap from your pompous opinionated brain Hiccup. Players run down their contracts to force a move, then demand and get huge wages from their new clubs. Keep up mate, or find another reasoning.

  59. Hiccup

    Sep 04, 2015, 22:01 #75391

    I don't need to read a Karl Heinz Ruminigge article to tell me the PL is awash with money. It's obviously new news to you though. Just to inform you, because you do seem slow on the uptake, Arsenal are part of that that PL set up awash with money too. You contradict yourself though. If players run down their contracts, their transfer fee falls. The idea of teams awash with money is that they can buy out players on existing long term contracts, if they choose to. Clubs hoping for cheap buys look to players that have virtually run their contracts down. The advantage of being awash with money isn't to wait for players to run their contracts down. You keep spouting this kind of crap, and you'll start giving Jamie a run for his money for clown of the AKB's. Surely you don't want that?

  60. jjetplane

    Sep 04, 2015, 21:09 #75390

    Colsey brlieve you find that Arsene is also a 'pundit' though judging by the French public thinking your Guru to be pretty pants at the job it looks like GG had bettered him again. GG was also one class player too which is why he identified with his players and Arsene is well let's say a very, rich mature (sic) student of football as long term financial proviso for 'me and my cowboy mate'..... Where did you do your coaching? Enfiels to Pontins perhaps?

  61. Hiccup

    Sep 04, 2015, 20:49 #75389

    AKB excuse no 97: Patience comrades. As soon as the German players have run down their contracts, we will pilfer their league. This is imminent. Christ. Even Westie couldn't have dreamt up such crap!

  62. Bard

    Sep 04, 2015, 20:28 #75388

    colseyboysetc; good effort, problems formulating an argument, tendency to go off piste. Speculation isnt a coherent argument, 'Germany are scared of the money awash etc' really ! Which or what are you referring to. Are the whole of Germany concerned about the money in the PL. You obviously have a thing about nodding dogs, I think that is a brilliant description of the AKBs. What you dont articulate is whether you think we will compete for the Pl the CL or not.

  63. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 04, 2015, 20:03 #75387

    Tell the nodding dogs that there have only been 4 games this season and that Welbeck has been injured since April. The transfer window is closed and we signed a top class keeper. The tactic gurus on here have never set foot on a pitch to coach at any level but have all the answers. Compare eras all you like but this is now 2015-16 season and all is to play for. George Graham was great for a period but is now a part time pundit. The media frenzy regarding signing players is just that, a frenzy of subjective ill informed opinions that our gullible nodding dogs take and run with like a pack of dogs fighting over a bone. This squad is the best we have had for a long time. Saying the manager is taking a bonus for champions league qualification is a quite ridiculous statement to make, more pedigree chum for the salivating hounds to feed on. This site is in the majority for the anti Arsenal posters who want the old times back and can't understand how the financial landscape has changed the shape of football at the top level forever. Even Germany are scared of the money awash in England and that their best players will soon be moving to the premiership, when contracts are running down.

  64. Cornish Gooner

    Sep 04, 2015, 19:35 #75386

    Since the poor old chap is clearly past it, I have again applied for the position of Manage/Chief Accountant at AFC. I feel I have a great deal to offer the Arsenal in their hour of need - also having a degree in economics, 1961, which makes me a socialistic "Keynesian" (i.e. sensible) as opposed to the current incumbent whose confused socialism seems to start at a very agreeable £50K per week for anyone near the first team squad. I made it clear in my application that I would not be available 24/7 as Mr Wenger claims (media commitments excepted) but I would do tactics whilst leaving the day to day matters, training etc, to Mr Bould & staff. I offered my services for a very reasonable £80k per annum with additional bonuses for winning any stuff that matters. Finally, I asked for the provision of the next available 2 bed flat at Highbury, not that I want to live there but I could see the potential for useful letting income from "tourists" that seem eager to pay over the odds in order to participate in the Emerites match day experience. Wisely, I have copied my application to the American owner as I believe he is always open to a bargain deal.

  65. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 04, 2015, 18:36 #75385

    the thing is the average wob might be branded as a moaner or a miserable so and so but mentally being able to differentiate between Arsenal and Arsene is fundermentally healthy. I had massive hopes for this season but as soon as we were Wengered again. I just reverted back to the long waiting game. My god if your belief system is based around Wenger it must be a constant challenge. A bit like following a cult leader who says prepare for the great happening next Tuesday. Then you find yourself still knocking around on the Wednesday reflecting on whether it was such a good idea to sign over your cash, house and wife. The only thing that remains constant is change so at some Wenger and Gazidis will be off. Potentially Kronke as well.

  66. Bard

    Sep 04, 2015, 18:35 #75384

    Colseyboysetc; where have you been? Westie has been like Michael Caine in Zulu. Did you read all the newcomers on here. You must be delighted not to have the same old posters droning on. Even Jeffs away. I couldnt quite follow your argument, was it moaning about the moaners or was it a nuanced counter argument explaining why its better to have the money in the bank rather than spending it on the team.

  67. Geekaybee

    Sep 04, 2015, 18:27 #75383

    Bring back David Dein. Retire Wenger.

  68. goonercolesyboy

    Sep 04, 2015, 18:20 #75382

    All hail the nodding dogs on here, ears pricked, panting and salivating at every post of their online leaders.

  69. Westlower

    Sep 04, 2015, 18:11 #75381

    @JJ Have you been at the meths again? Come on you Cherries. Shame they've lost their record signing for a year? The gambles of big transfers eh?

  70. mbg

    Sep 04, 2015, 17:43 #75380

    Bard, am at a very loose end today so just read that too, I guess most of them are seeing the light (and not before time) and TOF's true colours at last, but for how long? like Gaz has already stated what's the betting in a week or two after a couple of wins and wally has scored a goal with his arse (and told us all about it and how they're all ready)and the cart horse with one ricocheting off his hoof and OGL mouthing to those that will listen about the great speeritt and mental strength, they'll all have forgotten and be firmly back on board again, until of course like I've already said myself the next time.

  71. Gaz

    Sep 04, 2015, 17:33 #75379

    Hi Hiccup-sadly you've just brought a huge slice of reality to the table. Wenger is absolutely bullet proof because a lot of our fans have found this insane ability to put a new stake into the ground after every single terrible performance, humiliating defeat and crap transfer window! So whatever happens, however bad it gets, they simply brush it off, proclaim that we owe him time and the whole sorry cycle begins again! Take this season for example. If we're outside the top four at Christmas a new stake will be fired into the ground and third/fourth place will be greeted with cries of 'we told you Wenger wouldn't let us down!!!'. And even if we were to finish outside the top four they'll simply use the so far unused 'get out of jail free card' that Wenger-for all he's done-deserves at least one chance to get us back into the top four again! So I'm afraid this reign of Wengers has a long time to run yet and the likes of us have just got to get used to it. How about that for negativity!!!...

  72. Ron

    Sep 04, 2015, 17:33 #75378

    Alas, just where is Kalstrom when we need him. G'd night guys.

  73. jjetplane

    Sep 04, 2015, 17:26 #75377

    Superb HICCUP and I think we are entering the penultimate drama where King Wenger espouses his final card. That of pathological indifference. His apostles will call softly on him 'Lord Wenger - why dost thou look saddest?' Indeed retort the Wob Men 'When thou is the richest!' King Wenger demands his own removal but fans from as faraway as Papua New Guinea (Big Men Tribe in away colours) pray to the Gods of Ball Retention (BR) chanting 'You can never leave while there are countless Sons of Sanogo still to deliver wayward beauty as during the time of the Great Nailing of The Shield' ...... King Wenger turns away from the faithful thousands and gives just a little smile. Brothers of the Tippy Tappy Priesthood (BTTP) including Theo and Mikel are seen to shed small tears that run as gold .... into their accounts ...? Good Old Arsenal.

  74. mbg

    Sep 04, 2015, 17:19 #75376

    Hiccup, your not bringing negativity on here today mate, your just telling it as/like it is, the truth, and that's the problem some have, they think that shouldn't happen and shouldn't be allowed, and don't like it when it is. Your dead right he'll breeze back into town soon and all will be forgotten and forgiven, especially after a couple of routine wins against mediocre opposition, the sheep will be firmly back in their pens standing behind their shepherd listening to everything he has to say and telling them, and they'll be lapping it up, and after those couple of results all will be rosey again and the past two or three days will have been swept under the carpet and be but a distant memory (but only to some)until the next time that is, because we ALL know there's going to be a next time and it's never to far away, an embarrassment, humiliation, etc, etc, and always will be as long as this past it manager and his regime stink the place out. So thankfully we have a great site like the Onlinegooner where fans can come on and tell it like it is and tell the truth and be allowed to regardless of others with different opinions not liking it.

  75. Bard

    Sep 04, 2015, 17:10 #75375

    Westie; thanks for the pep post, I was about to throw myself out of the window, its on the ground floor so it would have been a bit girly. Alex reminds me of Anelka rather like Sanogo. I think he could win us the PL and get us through to the CL main event or of course maybe not. The other thought I had was that maybe the Boss will morph into a top manager but then again maybe not. For those that are interested, there's a cracking piece by Le Grove today.

  76. Hiccup

    Sep 04, 2015, 16:38 #75374

    Some great stuff on here today. Just shows what can happen without all that background noise and sanctimonious sermons making a mockery of this site. More fans are waking up to the spin, but I see no end to it, as Wenger is bullet proof. If you remember one of the lowest ebbs of his reign, the 8-2 defeat at OT, within a week, he was back being praised. And although the transfer window has closed now, he will squirm back in favour. He will squirm back because as fans, we will let him. If you can have fans back on your side after going in to the season so ill prepared and stuffed 8-2, then the current situation will be a breeze. Seriously, a couple of wins on the bounce, and say Chelsea lose another game, and we will be back to normality. The absentees on here will be back crowing their usual garbage, and groundhog season number 8 will be motoring on. This is yet just another blip in wenger's reign. Sorry to bring negativity today as there's some good stuff on here, but does anyone seriously think we'll drop out the top 4? Not a chance, hence not a chance of anything happening other than s contract extension.

  77. Ron

    Sep 04, 2015, 16:37 #75373

    It could well be Westie though experience tells us that expecting kids to deliver in circs of desperation rarely bears fruit. Sanogoal comes to mind? Still, we can always hark back to 'project youth' cant we and recall what a resounding success that was. Nothing like a bit of repeated but failed project youth and hoping it might end differently this time though. This kid you mention will be off on loan to Rotherham before you can blink.

  78. Gaz

    Sep 04, 2015, 16:29 #75372

    Hi mbg-Its pretty hard hitting but accurate stuff isn't it? Theres one long comment in particular-near the end-that simply gets a 'genius' reply from the editor!...

  79. Westlower

    Sep 04, 2015, 16:26 #75371

    Cheer up Bard, no one died. How about an optimistic view that Welbeck's misfortune is a great opportunity for Alex Iwobi?

  80. mbg

    Sep 04, 2015, 16:07 #75370

    Gaz, just read the article your referring to and an excellent article it is too, and not one reply in defence of TOF, although I only scrolled through them and might have missed one. Although I didn't check it out the link someone left of TOF sitting in a bar in Paris on deadline day looks interesting but would come as no surprise at all of the contempt he has for the Arsenal fans and his own.

  81. Bard

    Sep 04, 2015, 16:01 #75369

    Tony E; yes he does mate. He is a real Houdini. I might be wrong but things feel different right now. There is a long season ahead, no doubt we will put in some fantastic performances but other sides have improved and we have no reliable goalscorer to get us out of a hole, this makes us vulnerable to getting beaten by teams we dominate. My sense is that many are fed up with it. Whether that will translate into rebellion I dont know but I well remember the Villa game and Wenger didnt like it one bit and then went out and bought Ozil. Interesting times Tony.

  82. Tony Evans

    Sep 04, 2015, 15:54 #75368

    Hi again Gaz - fear you are right re Wenger. Cheers for the link - I generally like what Arsenal Truth has to say and I will have a look now.

  83. Ron

    Sep 04, 2015, 15:41 #75367

    Bard - as fans we never wish for defeats as its tantamount to heresy. Reality is though in my view is that the Club would have benefited by losing to Hull and if not to them, then to Villa. I differ to you. I have not a glimmer of faith that AFC want to challenge in earnest and haven't had for 5 years. Its going to take a shuddering jolt to the Club to divert it from the counting house to the training pitches again.Our fans are notoriously passive. I swear that given the same facts and circs occurring as they have this last 10 years applying to any Central/Northern Club, there would have been civil war between fans and clubs well before now. The higher income levels alone generally in the SE and amongst the fans at the stadium keeps the lid on things at AFC. AFC therefore milk it accordingly and when they deem necessary, they offer up crumbs to the masses to keep order. Al tyrants do. Even Caligula did. He was the master of timing when to do it! Hail Emperor Wenger. The unwashed bow mercifully. Fall off yr pedestal you arrogant fraud!

  84. mbg

    Sep 04, 2015, 15:36 #75366

    I see the Italian second Division are introducing a third (green)card for fair play, no doubt if it comes here it will go down well with OGL as it'll mean plenty of them for his little softies, you can just imagine the stats wheeled out for that in his defence, that's on league we'll certainly nail and come top off.

  85. Tony Evans

    Sep 04, 2015, 15:29 #75365

    Hi Bard - Wenger has been on the brink before but somehow he always comes up smelling of roses (cheap nasty ones of course that don't last very long) and any potential fan revolt is nipped in the bud (no pun intended). I can't wish my team to lose but sometimes it is a close run thing just to give me the pleasure of hopefully seeing that smug smirk wiped of his face.

  86. Bard

    Sep 04, 2015, 15:13 #75364

    Its interesting reading these posts. Although many, including me, have lost faith in Wenger all of us must hold a tiny fantasy somewhere that something might change. Thrashing Villa in the fac momentarily got me going. Maybe he has changed and the club really will start to compete was a thought that crossed my mind. Yet here we are not even half way through September and its the same old transfer policy, Danny is out for months and it is crystal clear that we are not seriously competing let alone have any chance of winning anything. What staggers me is that the board must believe that the Arsenal fans will tolerate this state of affairs. I know there are many who will support Wenger whatever he does but my reading of the situation is that the board may have seriously misread the mood. A couple of below par performances/ thrashings might well tip the thing over the edge. We have seen before that Wenger is very sensitive and fragile when the fans start rebelling.

  87. Tony Evans

    Sep 04, 2015, 14:20 #75363

    Hi Gaz - you dared to believe again too then. More fool us I suppose and we should have known better. I dread to think how much longer we have to go on like this.

  88. mbg

    Sep 04, 2015, 14:19 #75362

    Ron, not a ripple would be raised, not a tinge of sadness, there's not one player at the present time (or has been for years) we'll look back on in years to come and refer to, or remember fondly or think of as a legend, like we still do with those before them and those before them. And as for the current manager it says it all when we're still talking about George Graham more fondly than him after all this time.

  89. Gaz

    Sep 04, 2015, 13:29 #75361

    As usual Tony Evans echos most of the thoughts I have RE Wenger and the game in general. I too dared to believe in him again after the FA Cup win but I should have known he'll just go and let me down as usual. I'm hoping the news about Welbeck has finally knocked some sense into those who offer him one excuse after the other and perhaps this really is the last straw for some. I'll always support the Club because they're 'my' Club! But I will never support Wenger again until he leaves the Club. Sadly he'll continue to have his ego massaged by both Club and fans alike and I see no end to this malise...

  90. jjetplane

    Sep 04, 2015, 13:28 #75360

    RON your last few posts there are bordering on football art. I have been saying such things for a decade in my own disjointed way and always thought there was an end of an era (and the eccentric Wenger myth being broken) when Pires walked onto the pitch to the squad clapping him and saying 'the journey is over.' Yet for Wenger unfortunately that group of players was his stepping stone to greater personal riches and as the great individuals drifted away it seems there has been nothing but profit and in some ways not even quite up to say supermarket standards. You need good products on the shelf/pitch to convince the customers it is worth going more than once or twice. The way Arsenal are going though they might sell their quotas of ST's the same people will longer be turning up for every game. I have got to the point where I am even disinterested by listening to Arsenal on the radio. I remember a time I used to love it if I was not there. it is all so long ago the present currency is meaningless in contrast. Put that alongside the team I watch now who just whacked Arundel 1-4 away in the fA Cup. That is the equivalent of Arsenal doing that at the Bridge in a meaningful game. There is no more meaning to football than the FA Cup at that distant level. Hats off to Bale for doing such an admirable job for the Welsh.

  91. mbg

    Sep 04, 2015, 13:20 #75359

    Mark from Aylesbury, it would certainly make you think wouldn't it? my word that would cause some storm among the AKB's and wengerites, it would break their hearts, but I do believe it's all just failed philosophies, stubbornness, egoism, and most of all just not up to the job, but you never know.

  92. Ron

    Sep 04, 2015, 13:03 #75358

    Mark, you made yr point brilliantly. You always do. Youve referred to the notion of profit share etc as a type of fraud. I mentioned moral corruption. Agree with all you say. Whats totally clear is that Wenger is compromised by doing that job there as he does in the way that he does it. We might be off beam a bit by saying how, but only a fool or the blind wont see it. If he wants to get rich off them, its fine by me but i say to him to go do it in an up front clear way. Let a real Coach do the job, unfettered by any thing but football needs that the Club clearly needs. The Clubs gradully eating its own entrails under him. He sold his soul in some way for the Kings shilling a decade ago. He and the Club have been in unison spinning him through it. As you say though, people are watching closely now. Many more are onto it i feel. PS - Im not totally convinced he evn really wanted to buy Cech. His purchase is yet another sop to his detractors, as was Ozil and as were the 2011 trolley dash crew in my opinion.

  93. Ron

    Sep 04, 2015, 12:50 #75357

    Hi Tony . Agree with you totally, though is it fair to blame Adebayor for playing the money game any more so than do the Clubs? Hes playing the system isnt he and lying on his back to do it of course as you rightly say, but its a system that footballs created and protects isnt it. Hes just maxing his best from it, like Kroenke, like Wenger and certainly like the odiously creepy Mr Levy who im sure Adebayor loves to keep pis---g off! All of yr points are good though as ever. We cant totally load AFC or Wenger for all of the once great games ills or for the disgust that we see in it now. All we can do is react. Like you, my choice has been to step out of it and not contribute to the games/Arsenals dirty coffers.

  94. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 04, 2015, 12:41 #75356

    Ron - you allude to Wenger and future executive positions , probably very likely. What my point is, poorly set out possibly is that for the fan base the hoarding of cash with no regard for funding transfers and the Wellbeck fiasco is causing questions to be asked. A bit like the political expenses scandal it is not maybe true corruption but a subversion of what should be right. It may well all blow over but I think the skating on thin ice is very apt and it could potentially be a game changer. Potentially it may also tempt a big boy laden with bucks to make a bid

  95. Ron

    Sep 04, 2015, 12:33 #75355

    Westie - 79686. No. Wdt happen would it. Hopefully one day football will find a better equilibrium more similar to back then. Its some thing that I'd like to see as a football fan and why at times i promote the enjoyment and value there is in a few other Clubs that my life's travels/ movements have created an interest in for me. Its good for footie, even if the Sours do one day title chase again!! Its quite nice to comment on such other Clubs virtues on here without risk of being shouted down as being a closet fan of them from time to time now that our esteemed comrade seems to have returned to his router free politburo, at least till he re emerges in some guise.

  96. Westlower

    Sep 04, 2015, 12:33 #75354

    @Cornish Gooner, Thanks for heads up about 11v11.com. I wasn't aware of it before. Apt description of Arsenal by them: Arsenal's rise to world prominence has been the result of highly astute management in tune with the supporters. An attacking, attractive style of play & the loyalty & passion of its fans.

  97. Tony Evans

    Sep 04, 2015, 12:26 #75353

    Ron - too right. That legacy of disenchantment is growing by the day, and that's with winning back to back FA Cups! It's all meaningless unless you have empathy with your club and I lost mine several years ago. Obviously I enjoyed the cup wins and (after May 15) briefly held some hope that Wenger would secure the players required to build on the success, but that proved not to be. It's back to not really caring one way or the other again, for me, until Arsenal start to show they care more about the squad than the bank balance. In fairness it's not just Arsenal that is turning the likes of you and me off the game it's the game in general - with the daft salaries and mercenary players that couldn't care less what club they played for as long as they were on mega-bucks. Look at that lazy sod Barndoor at the Spuds - not even named in their squad and yet collecting £5M a year. Football has lost the plot and it's soul, and sometimes I really wish I could kick the habit completely, but over 45 years of Arsenal support is hard to shake off.

  98. Ron

    Sep 04, 2015, 11:48 #75352

    GC - at least 6 names in that team that as fans back then we would have been really disappointed for any of them to have left. Today? Is there but 1 such player in Wengers entire squad that would raise a ripple of genuine reflection or interest if we woke up tomorrow to find they had moved on? Wengers legacy is going to be disenchantment and disinterest for many. Quite sad.

  99. A Cornish Gooner

    Sep 04, 2015, 11:37 #75351

    Westie. According to the 11v11.com site the Arsenal team in '68 v Man Utd. was Wilson, Simpson, McLintock, Storey, McNab, Ure, Armstrong, Court, Gould, Radford, Graham. Goals from Armstrong, Court & Radford as already mentioned.

  100. Ron

    Sep 04, 2015, 11:25 #75350

    The next Manger will have things relatively easy under this regime Westie i agree. Wenger sitting above him etc and no change of Club culture. However, under a different regime, if SK sold out there just might be a sea change of culture with the pendulum swinging back some what from pure business to football. In that event, the new incumbent most certainly wouldnt have it easy. It could quite easily take 5/6 yrs to create a team to challenge properly there. It would need almost a total squad overhaul. In all likelihood the Club would need to take a fall before it could rise again. Would they give a Coach the time and chance though to shake the Club from its present football lethargy? Who knows. As you seem to take for granted, the Club could just try and just carry on as it is. Frankly, i dont think even the passive and stunted nature of Arsenals new breed of home fans will continue to wear it much longer. Ive a feeling the Club is already skating on thin ice.

  101. Westlower

    Sep 04, 2015, 10:44 #75349

    @Nick I agree with everything you say. We were children of our time and found the means to do what we loved. We all lived full & exciting lives as teenagers as I'm sure the current generation do. Two hours work for a packet of fags or a pint was my first realisation what value money had. Not for us fancy holidays abroad, mobile phones,etc, but fishing, football, darts, dance halls, pubs was my life. It was a special thrill going to Highbury and I loved every minute of it. The world has evolved to where it is now. It doesn't suit everyone but it's not specifically an Arsenal problem. It wouldn't be any different if AFC didn't exist. we are generally held up as a good example of how a club should be run & we've always had our own way of doing things. When the present incumbents have moved on they will have left us in a very strong state. The next manager will have life relatively easy. Just a mischievous thought: Adebeyor is now a free agent, how about parking him on the bench at £100k a week to make up the numbers? No need as Joel Campbell has been drafted in to cover for Welbeck. Theo your time has come to make a name for yourself. Go do it!

  102. Ron

    Sep 04, 2015, 10:32 #75348

    I believe that Wengers management is more a reflection of future riches earmarked for him to extract from the Club. His destiny is as an executive director and i wdt be surprised if a very healthy tranche of shares are coming his way eventually by dint of Mr Kroenkes thanks for services rendered. Wenger doesn't need profit share at his level of management, on that salary coupled with his control there. Its not corruption of course, but its a compromised role that Wenger fulfils nonetheless. From a fans perspective its a form of moral corruption i suppose. They pays there money though and makes their choices as they turn up for more of the same each home game. Perhaps this is an issue that's not really been considered by many of them? I think the real nub of it from the perspective of AFC as a business with how things have tuned out there, is that a man like Kroenke, with hindsight (always a wonderful thing), had he have been on the ground floor at the Club when they hatched the great stadium con job on the fans, he would have gone for the development North of the M25 that they could have had and got them out of the planning and cramped urban chaos that is Islington N7. The earmarked land up there catered for massive car parking facility, a larger stadium no doubt, as we know they wanted 70000 cap. The Board then were caught between sentiment, loyalty to fans and AFC as a football institution when they opted to set up shop there. SK wouldn't have been. The alternative site would have given use of the stadium to far, far more events, concerts etc, retractable pitch and seating infrastructure and so on, all of which couldn't happen at this stadium. Football could have been not much more than an aside in a far greater plethora of events and activities, conferences. As it is now they're severely hamstrung by planning constraints as to the use of the stadium. We know too that they got themselves lumbered by planning conditions forcing them to upgrade the locality/housing etc to get permission to build the awful place. Its actually a bit of a white elephant as its turned out. It might sound fanciful, but its not beyond the realms of possibility that Arsenal FC might yet move stadium again in the not so distant future. Football is merely a minor factor to consider this time if they did.

  103. Nick

    Sep 04, 2015, 10:23 #75347

    Westflower , you hoist yourself on your own petard mate, on the one hand saying that times have changed and financial realities with them but on the other that the club shouldn't change with them and pay the price that success demands! As i remember there was a bar in the seating stands, also on the North Bank yeah the toilets were basic, but their not Dorchester standard now, how long you stood before and during a game depended on who we were playing and what time you arrived beforehand, to me as a kid it was all part of the experience, buying your programme, and a hot dog or buger from the vendors outside the ground and maybe as I used to a rosette of the opposing team on the day, the wait for the game passed quickly, listening and joining in with the prematch chants and singing, listening to constable Alex Morgan with his operatic voice, then at half time hoping the bloke would miss the baton as he hurled it spinning into the air at the forefront of the marching band, I too waited a long time for silverware and the reflected glory it brought, but as you say times have changed, I didn't have to pay to be a member just to be able to buy tickets, and as I became an adult with kids of my own I was still able to take them and add them to the Arsenal family with a passion for the club as strong as my own, nowadays kids who being unable to attend will start to form affiliation's for the clubs that win things its their nature unless swayed otherwise by going to their first REAL game, the next generation of support will depend on the fortunes of the team to a great degree, so if the club wish to foster that support which is vital to the clubs existence they MUST win things, and challenge fiercely for things , because support wont be garnered from attendance only. Tv , govt and clubs themselves have forever changed the landscape of football, so as you yourself say the clubs as do we must live in the world they have fashioned, if Arsenal continue to take the high moral ground that they do not deserve in another twenty years the soul less bowl will echo to the shouts of the few rather than the many and the club itself will be a shadow of its former self !

  104. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 04, 2015, 10:06 #75346

    Exeter - yes correct answer in my book. Being paid bonus on profit increase is corrupting as it creates a self serving lack of ambition and subverts the will to win from top to bottom. It is deemed acceptable to pay win bonuses. Any bonus that potentially undermines the sporting winning mentality is as borderline fraud on the fan base. I think a can of worms is being opened . Be interesting to see what emergesfb

  105. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 04, 2015, 9:53 #75345

    The alternative is not to hoard 200m in the bank. When a forward thinking transfer policy would initially hit bottom line but would ultimately create success. That is an alternative speculate to accumulate.

  106. Ron

    Sep 04, 2015, 9:52 #75344

    Hi Cyril - yes, international qualifiers. Is there anything more tedious and dull? Well, yes i suppose theres looking at Roy Hodgsons face and hunched, stumbling gait but you get my drift. Thank heavens for the cricket!

  107. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 04, 2015, 9:50 #75343

    Westlower, you would hope any bonus to Wenger is for on pitch achievement, rather than profit as otherwise there is a disincentive to spend in the transfer market. Giroud is currently the only recognised CF available in the squad.

  108. Westlower

    Sep 04, 2015, 9:21 #75342

    @Mark From Aylesbury, I would be surprised in Wenger, Gazidis & co weren't on bonus payments for keeping the club in profit. That's how big businesses are run. What's the alternative? To keep it in perspective Wenger earns far less than Raheem Sterling. As for the Welbeck situation I think it's a no brainer that you keep the news of injury in house before the end of the transfer deadline. Why show your hand to Real Madrid & PSG when pursuing their players. Once Benzema declared he didn't want to leave RM that was that & Cavani was overpriced anyway. I agree with John F that we should have signes Jackson Martinez but in truth I don't know enough about him to make a good judgement. Surely we can cope without Welbeck until the end of the year. We only play with one striker and Giroud, Theo & Sanchez can fill that role. Maureen hates to rotate his strikers and he gets lauded for it. Much ado about nothing in my book. Bournemouth's record signing Mings is out for a year after damaging knee ligaments. Lady Luck can be a cruel mistress.

  109. Tony Evans

    Sep 04, 2015, 8:59 #75341

    Redpig - great post, sums up how many of us older fans feel about the current set up.

  110. Westlower

    Sep 04, 2015, 8:39 #75340

    @Seven Kings Gooner, I don't have the team that played on Boxing Day 1968 but Jimmy Robertson probably did play as we only used 16 players that season, which were: Armstrong, Court, Gould, Graham, Jenkins, G Johnston, McLintock, McNab, Neill, Radford, Robertson, Sammels, Simpson, Storey, Ure, Wilson. We moan today when a players out injured but we always played the strongest team possible as rotation was something that would happen in the future. In our double season of 70/71 again only 16 players were used, only Maureen seems to have the same philosophy in the modern era. By 70/71 some changes had been made to the squad with Charlie George, Eddie Kelly, Peter Marinello, Sammy Nelson, Pat Rice, John Roberts & Ray Kennedy replacing Court, Gould, Jenkins, Johnston, Neill, Robertson & Ure.

  111. Westlower

    Sep 04, 2015, 8:14 #75339

    @Ron On a going day we were capable of beating most teams, but we also capable of losing to most teams also. It was always entertaining though wasn't it? As you've repeatedly said the honours were more evenly distributed in the 1st Division from 59/60 to 69/70 with Man U x2, Burnley, Spurs (but never since), Ipswich, Liverpool x2, Man City, Leeds, Everton. Wouldn't happen today would it?

  112. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 04, 2015, 7:28 #75338

    This will potentially never be proven but I would like to pose a question to an AKB or let's just say a keep things as they are.... Thinking of Clockender , West Lower etc. If it ever came out that Wenger was on a profit bonus and therefore he was paid a greater income for increased club profits. Would you condemn him? You see if he did an entire **** storm would emerge and obvious linking to not buying a forward come out. In my book this would be the ultimate self serving treachery. What are your thoughts?

  113. Smithy

    Sep 04, 2015, 7:08 #75337

    Ref- Redpig - great post it mirrors my own thoughts and experience being a supporter since 1979.we are lost in a repeated ground hog situation and in a million years the monkeys might have typed Shakespeare on that typewriter!

  114. mbg

    Sep 04, 2015, 0:12 #75336

    RedPig, great post, it says a lot, our clubs true history and tradition can and never will be forgotten, no matter how hard some try to change it and make it happen, you can be sure it will still be remembered and reminisced about long long after this current regime is gone and forgotten.

  115. Cyril

    Sep 03, 2015, 23:09 #75335

    Ron, nothing like an international break at the very start of the season. Um, wind up the natives. Deep breath and then relax! Yes , we know a little bit more about current depth of feeling. Yes, let us meet and go again. Ah, I will do this and of course you can do that. The premier league cabal of management. Shall we finish fifth,fourth or third this year my dear! Um, let's eat well first and deduce!

  116. Ron

    Sep 03, 2015, 22:50 #75334

    Westie - in those bad old 60s that you go on about, we beat United 10 times between 1960 and 1970. Not bad! A record our Lord and Master will never surpass in a decade. Never close.

  117. John F

    Sep 03, 2015, 22:42 #75333

    I have recently been thinking of a change of career due to my gardening business taking its toll on my knees.I was going to apply to work alongside those unsung heroes,night and day workers at the Arsenal transfer office but then i thought I might pick up a worse injury. Bad blisters on my heels due to time spent with my feet on top of the desk,repetitive finger strain caused by pushing the kettle switch,tintinus a side effect of loud laughter when ringing clubs up and offering a third of the requested transfer fee.Bolton still to this day ring up just to laugh down the phone about the cahill offer.Legend has it Wenger fed up with trying to work out how to use a zip asked the transfer office for a string vest unfortunately due to tintinus the poor office chap misheard and we signed silvestre ,why else did we sign him.So for me I'm sticking to perennials or maybe the Arsenal medical team. Jackson Martinez the player I feel we missed out on 24mil to A madrid

  118. Ron

    Sep 03, 2015, 22:34 #75332

    RK - No, no Jimmy Robertson. Court Raddie and Geordie scored that afternoon. Ive finally found the details after googling for ages!! 62500 thro the gates. Atmospheres were special werent they in those big games then. Footie will never get that back. Utd was always a 55000 plus wasnt it. I missed out that day. Recall Dad and my Unc getting home though in raptures. Id heard score on the boxing day footie round up by then. Black and white TV still! Radio as well - 'sports report'. Loved it. I bet you loved it that day. Was a happy Boxing afternoon in our home.

  119. Smithy

    Sep 03, 2015, 22:19 #75331

    Giroud , wally, Campbell and iwobi as our 4 front line strikers doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence, they must of known about Danny during the window - again it's piss poor management from arsenals smt.a dereliction of their responsibilities to the club. Don't worry arsene said gazidis the plebs probably won't notice!

  120. RedPig

    Sep 03, 2015, 21:12 #75330

    Love reading the posts of you oldies :) Not that Im so young myself anymore ... even the 80s when I started going regularly are over 30 years ago now. But the reminiscing of times gone by is so much better to read than the current sh1te. The only thing that still makes me proud to be an Arsenal fan is our past. I love our history but no way do I feel the same about our present. Nothing to love about the current state of the club when there are so many loathsome, self-serving hypocrites running the show.

  121. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 03, 2015, 19:47 #75329

    Ron : The Boxing Day 3-0 win over Utd saw dad & I dancing down the steps in the West Enclosure (season before the seats went in) when David Court's header went in to make it 3 - 0. I think all the goals were headers that game and I am not sure but Jimmy Robertson might have played. Going to football with your dad is the most wonderful way to really bond - my two lads came with me for best part of 20 years, until the prices started going north way too quickly. Talking of Mr Robertson, I remember him and Geordie against Derby (4-0) ripping their two full backs to shreds - could have been 10-0, happy days.

  122. KC

    Sep 03, 2015, 18:56 #75328

    Kevin, Great post, very frustrating but does highlight the aims of the board and manager. My only comfort is that after watching GG's last season we still have some way to go before we reach those depths of boredom and despair! He had to go and its now time for Wenger to go, consolation is that Wenger wont turn up at the Spuds he does have some principals.

  123. mbg

    Sep 03, 2015, 18:53 #75327

    Fagin, i'm in no doubt whatsoever it's a bit of both, maybe more so thinking we're all stupid (but that's certainly not the case with all of us) I actually know a man (no not wenger) who has told that many lies in his life he actually now believes them himself and would swear on a bible that their true, I kid you not. A perfect example of wenger and his regime, he'd make a perfect employee.

  124. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 03, 2015, 18:40 #75326

    Fagin ( a name no doubt picked for its Jewish insult ) would you have made any such complaint against a Catholic , Mormon, Baptist, no didn't think so. Please take your anti Semitic rants to some dark fascist corner of the Internet and stay there. This site is football related and welcoming to all Arsenal minded tolerant folk

  125. John A

    Sep 03, 2015, 18:38 #75325

    The Kokorin 1 year loan attempt now comes under the spotlight. This was clearly attempted to cover the season long loss of Welbeck that they did not want to mention until now. Sneaky and not only that it failed!

  126. Nick T

    Sep 03, 2015, 18:35 #75324

    Forget the football anybody got a spare for the AGM...could be a more poisonous atmosphere than WHL this year!!

  127. VillageGooner

    Sep 03, 2015, 18:25 #75323

    The House Rules on this website state that comments will be rejected if they may be considered racist, sexist, homophobic or otherwise likely to offend. I write because, at 17:22 pm, an individual with the name of "Fagin Wenger picked our pockets again" posted a comment that is not only offensive but is also false. The comment stated that the author utterly despairs because he woke up only to find that Arsenal is now "an American Jewish owned Sports Enterprise" which "exists only to make money.” This comment is false because Stan Kroenke is not Jewish. This comment is offensive because it suggests that Kroenke's religion has something to do with how he runs the club he owns. I posted a similar comment in this regard previously but it was deleted presumably because included a link to an article on the Telegraph stating unequivocally that Kroenke is not Jewish. If you delete this comment which contains no link to any outside source and is directly related to a comment which you have allowed to stand, I can only conclude you concur with sentiments expressed in the comment made by "Fagin Wenger picked our pockets again."

  128. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 03, 2015, 18:25 #75322

    Hey call to order. I'm not Jewish myself but still feel utterly dumbfounded that somebody calling himself Fagin is using anti Semitic slurs in an attack against our board. Pure Zionist conspiracy bollocks and deeply offensive to Jew and non Jew alike. Please do not bring religion into genuine discussions regarding the board. Total idiot!

  129. Paul

    Sep 03, 2015, 18:23 #75321

    Lets be honest Welbeck will not be missed.4 league goals last season.A worst finisher than Wally.When will the penny drop for our fans Wenger must be removed the pain can not continue.4th is not a trophy it wasnt under GG it isnt now

  130. Highbury Boy

    Sep 03, 2015, 17:50 #75320

    The fact that Wenger's last comment on Welbeck's injury implied that he would be back shortly after Jack and the international break and the major operation now needed was kept quiet means that they had hoped to sign a striker before D Day. Just like last year's gamble of going into the season with just 6 defenders he is taking a gamble on just Theo and Giroud with perhaps Alexis if really needed. What happened to his faith in Sanogo? AKBs will always be able to blame injuries again. Bringing in a suitable striker for non-crazy money may have been difficult but getting a defensive midfielder better than Flamini and Arteta to back up Coquelin was surely not too hard. The ambition to really challenge for the PL or CL is just not there and if Wenger fails to get his coveted 4th place trophy to give him one last chance in the CL in his final year it will be embarrassing for him. No doubt even then he will have some fans lining up to provide excuses for him.

  131. Ron

    Sep 03, 2015, 17:33 #75319

    Wellbeck - the least of our worries. Whatever will Jeff say about this window when he gets back? Expect the site to explode!

  132. Radfordkennedy

    Sep 03, 2015, 17:16 #75318

    Just heard about Danny Boy,what worries me is who the hell is going to come off the bench in the 71st min to replace Le Coq when we're chasing the game now!....

  133. mbg

    Sep 03, 2015, 17:01 #75317

    ArseneKnewBest, i'm afraid that job's been earmarked for Diaby sorry Jack, but I suppose they could spin it like a double new signing.

  134. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 03, 2015, 16:28 #75316

    C'mon lads, don't despair! There's room for cheer in the news about welbeck given that he's expected to return around christmas (which christmas is anyone's guess). At least it means that our tight-arsened manager can present him as being as good as a new signing in the January transfer window, thus avoiding the need to sign anyone new. By that stage, the wally-olly collywobblers will both be injured, and our attabk will be spearheaded by the BFG (cos I bet the nutjobs won't be able to get chuba nor sanoooogo back from their loan spells). How the bejeesus do these lunatics manage to keep their jobs?

  135. Bard

    Sep 03, 2015, 16:28 #75315

    A welcome to all the new posters on here. Dont listen to all the rubbish banded about by some. Its a broad and knowledgeable church on here provided you give reasonably coherent arguments rather than plain idolatry and there is a lot of terrific humour. Its going to be a long hard season ahead. My view is that it wont take much for the atmosphere among gooners on here and elsewhere to get very nasty indeed. Wenger likes playing russian roulette but I suspect he may have pushed his luck once too often.

  136. mbg

    Sep 03, 2015, 16:15 #75314

    North Bank Nutter, good post, and you've got to remember Gazidis does exactly what wenger tells him.

  137. mbg

    Sep 03, 2015, 16:05 #75313

    Yes indeed, Danny boy was kept very quiet, now we know why the dinosaur got out of town. jj, but not to worry we're always been told we've a big squad.

  138. Ron

    Sep 03, 2015, 16:02 #75312

    Westie - ha ha. Yes, Recall Quiz Ball. It was puffing my chest out moment at school that an Arsenal player had won something! Look at the names of those forwards. They all had Ure for breakfast at different times didnt they. My first away game as a kid was at Villa Park. Dad drove this old wreck of a coach up there full of AFC fans. Loved it. Lost 2 - 1. Winning 1-0 and then yes, you guessed it, Hateley eat Ure! Never forgot the game. A Villa kid snatched and nicked my rosette and then his Dad and mine sorted it. Needless to say i got my roughed up rosette back. Happy days.

  139. mbg

    Sep 03, 2015, 15:44 #75311

    I remember me and my two brothers and sister having to share the one bed and lying sleeping in it like sardines, and living of fadge bread and boxty, and our mum sending us out at night to steal turf from the neighbours bog for the fire to keep warm, it was a bloody long walk to Highbury though.

  140. Westlower

    Sep 03, 2015, 15:43 #75310

    @Ron & R/K, Do you remember Ian Ure's finest hour for Arsenal, winning the 1967 Quiz Ball on BBC TV partnered by Terry Neill, beating Dunfermline 7-3. It was the first trophy Arsenal had won since 1953. Ure looked the part physically but unfortunately he came up against a stream of good forwards including Wyn Davis, Tony Hately, David Herd, Dennis Law, Jeff Astle, Geoff Hurst, Alan Gilzean, Ron Davies, etc.

  141. Moscow Gooner

    Sep 03, 2015, 15:36 #75309

    The comments about the malaise of the 60s and the 70s are, as others have pointed out, over done. We had a decent side in the late 'sixties: it was Bertie Mee who told the team not to celebrate finishing 4th in 1968/69 - 'because at Arsenal only first is good enough'. Apparently not today. In the '70 s we had two great patches at the beginning and the end but watching football from the North Bank was cheap - and fun. Even on days when we got down to 14,000 in the ground (Sheffield Utd in about 1975) there was noise and fervent support. In 76/77 we finished mid table but signs of progress were evident and 10,000 on the North Bank stayed in the ground chanting and singing for about 20 minutes after the final whistle of the last game of the season against 'Boro to salute Terry Neil. Certainly every season was different - for better or worse! - unlike the kind of soggy statis that marks virtually every (league) season now. I don't devalue the cup wins - unlike others here - better win the cup and finish tenth in my view than win nothing and finish fourth - but we are long overdue a sustained league challenge and I can't see this changing under the AW regime.

  142. Its up for grabs now

    Sep 03, 2015, 15:28 #75308

    I just laughed hearing about Welbeck, because that is what the club and Wenger in particular have driven me to. Our club can't be taken seriously anymore, hence better to laugh than get livid at the incompetence of it all. They would have known about Welbeck's prognosis long before the window shut, but didn't want the extra pressure from fans to spend some f***ing money again, ala 2013! Any doubters left should wake up and smell the coffee - This regime is purely run for profit, end of story, and NOT to win the PL or CL.

  143. Gav Lee

    Sep 03, 2015, 15:20 #75307

    Ron, the timing of the news combined with the lack of investment just highlights what a joke our squad management is. Normally though you are right about the injuries as they are simply not news at our club.

  144. Tony Evans

    Sep 03, 2015, 15:17 #75306

    So just as the transfer window closes Arsenal announce Welbeck is out for months! Not that he is, by any means, what you would call prolific but it makes our lamentable transfer window look even worse. Should never have been bought by Arsenal anyway for me - much better to have put the money towards a proven goal-scorer.

  145. Arsenalfanforever

    Sep 03, 2015, 15:06 #75305

    The Problem is not money,the problem lies in Wengers belief that if he goes on a spending spree and buys trash like he did with Chamakh,Edu et al he wont get back what he invested.There in lies the business decision..every penny which has ben invested should give a return..Twice bitten once shy..hence

  146. North Bank Nutter

    Sep 03, 2015, 15:00 #75304

    I've been in denial for a few years now and given Wenger the benefit of the doubt. But after a convincing FA cup win, and everyone and anyone who has half an ounce of a footballing brain knowing we need another striker and DM to genuinely challenge for the title it is beyond me how the club has not addressed this. Once again Gazidis what do you do? Like the rest of the board you are all puppets to the wenger project. Wenger himself is past his best before date, a manager that has allowed the rest of football to catch up and overtake his principles and ideology. I won't even be sorry to see wenger go now, his legacy has been destroyed by the second half of his reign at the club. In any other walk of life paying £1k plus for a service that doesn't deliver would have you facing anne robinson at watchdog!

  147. jjetplane

    Sep 03, 2015, 14:57 #75303

    Nice one JOHN F and London zoo was my local with the big cat house and it probably was as cheap as the Arsenal was in the 60s. My first job was 8 quid a week and after giving mum a bit still had change to top up on the mod/skin gear and the north bank then at 5 bob and a dodgy hot dog on those crazy steep steps that afforded great views of any little scuffles .... RON you sum it all up again like no other as you do Radford/Kennedy and when I wheel away from my local club having shelled out precisely 5 quid for match/prog/coffee I thank my lucky stars I am still enjoying going to a game. See Danny boy has joined the legendary list of those who have fallen in battle under Wenger. When was the last time he played anyway? How much is Jack on? Questions questions with useless answers.

  148. Ron

    Sep 03, 2015, 14:55 #75302

    Hi Westie - i think we beat ourselves up a bit about the 60s. We were actaully looking like a really good side by 1967. Recall my first NLD when we slaughtered Totts 4 - 0 that year. By 68 we were solid but struggled to score goals. Recall though a hammering of Utd one Boxing Day. 3-0 in 68 probably? We were a defensive shambles from 63 to 66 granted but we cd play a bit. Youre right, we didnt challenge the top until 68/9 but for me being a fan then was better than this continuing stale feeling now. We always had players in the team who excited and thrilled. Yes, we were let downs as well as Ian Ure, Magill and Furnell played and Co played out their own private comedy show but worse than now mate? Hmmm!

  149. Bard

    Sep 03, 2015, 14:54 #75301

    Just read about Danny. The curse of Arsenal. A month into the season and we have 2 out with long term injuries. No change there then. Interesting timing of the news. The club couldnt have pulled a fast one could they ? Not the Arsenal surely they do things differently.

  150. Ron

    Sep 03, 2015, 14:42 #75300

    Gav - such is the level of Wellbeck and other players, save for Sanchez, does any absence particularly register with fans these days? Im not sure that it does.

  151. Westlower

    Sep 03, 2015, 14:41 #75299

    @R/K, The club always made a new signing to keep the punters coming in. It was usually one a year, for me it started with Tommy Docherty, Mel Charles, Eastham & Baker. Although we never threatened to win anything in the 60's it was never dull fare. We always turned up regardless, although expectations were never high but we lived off the highlights, such as beating Man U 5-1. We've always struggled to build on the back of a successful team. Bertie Mee added World Cup winner Alan Ball to our first double winning side but it only unbalanced what we already had. GG bought Wrighty, which was tremendous for Wrighty to become a star but again a Championship team went backwards. Wenger succeeded in building on a double winning team. We've been arguing the events thereafter until we've exhausted every angle. As always in football the clubs with the deepest pockets rule over protracted periods. The present cycle favours Citeh & Chelsea but I'm sure we'll rattle a few cages this season. With Spurs only able to offer stage payments to WBA for Berahino does anyone know if we're still paying installments for Ozil & Sanchez?

  152. John F

    Sep 03, 2015, 14:31 #75298

    My area was so poor the local zoo only had a dog as an exhibit.It was a shihtzu.I have sadly still got my Ipswich cup final ticket and it was a whopping £2.50 .Are there still fans left who can afford to attend most games home and away like I was lucky enough to do.We certainly lived in a golden age of affordable sport not only attending games but able to watch major sporting events on free to air.I wonder how much you would have to pay on sky if Ali was a young man fighting today with the great Harry Carpenter commentating or the the 1981 Ashes series.Ali came to the Bentals centre in Kingston for a book signing in the nineties.His Parkinson's was just starting to take hold and it was a very sad sight to see a such a great man affected by this horrible disease.

  153. Gav Lee

    Sep 03, 2015, 14:20 #75297

    Welbeck 'out for months'. Obviously Wenger only knew this today so cannot be his fault we only have one natural centre forward at the club... Wenger has had his time but its up to the fans who attend games to force the issue. Impossible to believe he has the ability to manage at this level now.

  154. Radfordkennedy

    Sep 03, 2015, 14:03 #75296

    Westie....hello mate,trust you are well....I read your post regarding the dark days of the 60's,70's and 80's I understand your point,but didn't the club always try to lift the gloom,didn't we always try to bring in someone to help score Baker,Kennedy,Kidd,Macdonald,Mariner,Woodcock,Nicholas,Smith all came when we were languishing in the comfort of mid league,the club always tried,and that's when the transfer budget resembled a whip-round especially in the mid 70's when the club was strapped for cash,but we still broke the transfer record for supermac,to not use the resources available to at least bring in decent cover if not direct replacements is an absolute joke....I'm not Ozils biggest fan but I do feel sorry for him as I think he was hoping for help to arrive,the player to his left while being the terrific player he is,is somewhat of a loose cannon and you don't know what he's going to do next and the player in front of him couldn't time a run and stay onside with a gun to his head it must be frustrating for him,it's such a shame that a club who once had such visionaries as Norris and Chapman with their drive and ambition pushing us forward should be reduced to a business not a team where money is everything,playing it safe is key and glory and ambition.....well that's something behind glass screens in the museum

  155. Ron

    Sep 03, 2015, 13:30 #75295

    Hi Westie - The wages and ticket prices in football are way disproportionate to the product on the pitch. Majority of the players are at the same level and not that good. Few stand out. Nobody cared about the facilities back then. They went for the match. It was a good aftnoon out, a laugh and a generally noisy, chant filled day spiced with a few beers. Of those facilities today, most would chuck the seats into a skip given chance and how many actually get the chance to use the bars and restaurants? Not many. The beer is pee water and the food is pretty bad anyway for the exorbitant prices. The need even for those restaurants is questionable in my view. At AFC the splendour of the facilities masks the generally uninspiring, tepid football on the pitch so it serves the Club well in that regard. The novelty of the stadium for many still exists, but no to the extent it did i feel. Its a pretty drab place to go in truth. All of the other away venues have a far better 'football feel' about them, though for me, 3-4 games a season is enough of going to any of them. I never come away from a stadium these days and don't think, why did i bother as we sit there in traffic jams getting away. It really is a p--s take in the main.

  156. Hi Berry

    Sep 03, 2015, 13:30 #75294

    Can't help but agree with football being so much more affordable years back. My first game was around '65/'66ish - a 3-2 win against West Ham and can remember vividly standing behind the North Bank goal pressed up against the fence and wondering why on earth there was a 'moat' all the way round the pitch! Can't recall exactly how much it cost to get in but seem to think it was 1/6p (seven and a half pence!!!). Like Nick I was in Hertfordshire and used to get the 84 bus from St Albans (very exotic at the time because it was the only red bus we ever saw) and then tube from Arnos Grove to Arsenal. Don't know how much that was but doubt it was more than five shillings (25p) or so which still left me money over from my 15 shillings (75p) a week paper round. Only ever been to the Emirates twice (both cheaper Emirates Cup tickets) in order to take my football mad ten-year-old daughter to see her heroes. Must admit that both visits left me cold (mexican wave, anyone?) but she enjoyed them - obviously she knows little or nothing about just how atmospheric Highbury. Point being that I can't afford to take her regularly which, as has already been stated, would probably leave me with little change from £200 when travelling, parking, programme, food is all taken into account.

  157. DJ

    Sep 03, 2015, 13:28 #75293

    It will be interesting to view the line up in the Stoke game now new star striker will not be making an appearance! Five blanks in our last six home games except the end of season canter against West Brom leaves us crying out for a more expansive game with two pacey wide men ie: Sanchez and The Ox. I hope the sycophantic press boys ask Wenger now we have given up all pretence of challenging for the major honours what is the chance of reducing the price of a cup of coffee at The Emirates!!!

  158. jjetplane

    Sep 03, 2015, 13:18 #75292

    As someone who did have the old toilet in the garden and a tin bath to share with six it sounds like most of you lot came from the counties and suburbs to support Arsenal. WEsTIe is even more laughable as he only talks about the Emirates experience through hearsay - why be gloomy indeed when you have no real interest in football anymore. That is where Wenger is now with his millions and the likes of the useless Wally behind him. Original Skins of Hungry Hill rule!

  159. Bard

    Sep 03, 2015, 13:04 #75291

    Tony Evans; Mate where I grew up the houses were so small even the mice had backache, those were the days. We only survived because of the joy of a tight back four.

  160. mbg

    Sep 03, 2015, 12:51 #75290

    DWT, yes the club is in a mess, the wally example just one of many, it's a sorry sorry state of affairs indeed and you know something? and it's plain to be seen for everybody (even though some would/will never admit it)it's actually getting worse it really it. The who thing is just a sick joke thanks to one old man.

  161. Tony Evans

    Sep 03, 2015, 12:46 #75289

    These last few posts could easily descend in to the realms of Monty Pythons brilliant Yorkshire sketch. A wall to piss up? You were bloody lucky, we had nowt but fresh air!

  162. Westlower

    Sep 03, 2015, 12:12 #75288

    Nick, What we had back then was a brick wall to piss up, queuing outside in all weathers to get in, standing only for 3 or 4 hours, lukewarm steak & kidney pies. It doesn't bear comparison with today's modern facilities. The team itself in the first 10 years of me attending games never progressed beyond the 5th round of the FA Cup, going out in the 3rd round three times & finished 11,10,9,8,14,7,9,4,12th in the league. At no stage of the season did we ever dream we'd finish top 6. Thankfully it all changed in 69/70 and we could hold our heads high again. Yes it is expensive today and you have to feel for fathers taking their kids but this 2015 and the world we now live in. Players are earning obscene amounts of money and we're not going to change that. I don't share the belief that AFC are not trying to win trophies. I've seen my share of rotten Arsenal teams and I can reassure you that we're not watching one of those right now. We're 2nd favourites to win the PL so let's leave the gloomy inquests for later.

  163. jjetplane

    Sep 03, 2015, 12:02 #75287

    Fantastic post NICK and well remember going to Arsenal player pubs in the 70s and never thinking they were other than us. Just bigger and stronger. We used to walk down to the ground in the 60s and into the schoolboys a good couple of hours before the match and all for the princely sum of a shilling. Half a crown for the north bank. can still remember poking you head and viewing was at pitch level which made the players look like giants. Contrast with a distracted rich kid up in club level looking at those soft, pretty boys pinging it about like a retro space invaders game. Daddy probsbly gets all that as a corporate add-on and those actually interested are paying with an unjust percentage of the hard earned cash. Shocking and Wenger now resembles something akin to a declining bank CEO. Certainly does not look like a football manager. Of the opinion he has quite a contempt for the game and his apparent discomfort is not just about the performances on the pitch but a contempt for the whole sport.

  164. Ron

    Sep 03, 2015, 11:44 #75286

    I can well recall a British Rail return to Paddington - Warwick in the late 70s used to cost me £ 3.20. Match tickets were about the same or slightly less, unless my trusted tout came up trumps (never failed) on the bigger games - about a fiver for them. As i recall, memory fading, the FAC tickets v Ipswich were only about £3.00. Tours back then were fairer and less avaricious than are AFC today in my view!

  165. Nick

    Sep 03, 2015, 11:27 #75285

    Westflower, when I left school I earned £6.00 a week half was given to my old lady , the rest was mine, ,it cost Two bob for a place on the North Bank, and as we had long since moved to Hertfordshire I had to travel by bus and train to get there, but my point is it was AFFORDABLE, the average wage then was around 17 to 20 quid a week players were on around 50 quid , the average wage for the working-class supporter now is probably around 300 a week matchday including travel, a programme and bite and a drink will see you get little or no change from a hundred pounds take your kid or kids with you and that cost will double, so a third to two thirds of your wages on a football game, while the gap between players and supporters earnings is so far past astronomical its off any known chart of reference, its because of this that we are entitled to expect our club the most expensive to follow in Britain and Europe, to give us at least the HOPE that we might actually mount a challenge for major honours, the club with the most expensive tickets in football should give us a team which reflects that ,and not regale us with pleas of poverty and moan about financial doping , I dont know who the highest paid manager in football is but I would guess Wenger is right up there if not at the top, no business would pay a ceo top dollar for so long if all he gave you was promises of jam tomorrow and whinged that the competion was being aided unfairly with extra funding , I dont buy either that we were held back by the mew stadium, we had a very favourable long term fixed mortgage, which gate receipts more than covered, we could and should have done what every homeowners does to live while their paying their mortgage, and FOUND the resources to live rather than just exist, it would not have broken us and we all know that success via silverware also brings its own financial rewards, we have been lied to constantly and fleeced on a regular basis, but now we dont even have the consolation of playing exciting football , tippy , tappy only ever looks good on the very rare occasions it comes off for the most part it is like watching paint dry !

  166. jjetplane

    Sep 03, 2015, 11:15 #75284

    I wondering now if the AKBs are paid by the word. BADdIE would be the biggest earner though I believe he is looking for a new contract while WeSTIE probably gets a research grant and bonuses for numbers 'cause Arsene's club live and breathe numbers. Does anyone have the odds for us on NAILinG another trophy> Arsene would know all about nails as he single-handedly built the Emirates. Looking forward to seeing the Monaco boy playing against Arsene again. Things coming back to haunt and finally AKBs witter on about frugality and yet are happy to see someone warming the bench for 140thou a week. Dig the Doublespeak. ps have to wonder when are Stoke going to finally hit the ground with that varied and exciting squad. Love football, bored with an extra decade of Groundhog Wenger.

  167. GoonerRon

    Sep 03, 2015, 10:22 #75283

    @ Where's Wally - just because I choose to take a different view to you don't make the mistake of thinking it means I don't love the club.

  168. Hi Berry

    Sep 03, 2015, 9:24 #75282

    Gooner Ron forgot to include the Emirates Cup which we also 'nailed' along with the Hong Kong Fuey Super Cup. Not sure whether the omission of the Champions' League was a Freudian slip.

  169. chris dee

    Sep 03, 2015, 9:06 #75281

    tpm. If a club really want a player they get it done? Like Chelsea signing John Stones or Spurs signing Berahino or Real signing De Gea? Cesc ,RVP, plus assorted others?All sold,although Arsenal would never admit it,because once the decision was made to build the Emirates we became a selling club until the majority of the debt was cleared. Like I said Arsene is totally to blame for not addressing the D M position since Gilberto left but I cannot blame him for not shelling out fortunes this window just for the sake of it.

  170. Westlower

    Sep 03, 2015, 8:37 #75280

    @Mark From Aylesbury, I started off in work earning £4 a week rising to £40 a week when I was 21. I didn't start earning a decent wage until I was 26. On the day I got married at 26 years old, I had £7 in my pocket. It was a different world back then.

  171. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Sep 03, 2015, 8:27 #75279

    @GoonerRon The WOB does it for the love of the club, its history and concern for its future. We are more interested in supporting The Arsenal than its employees, who are just passing through and in the main milking it for all they can get. We try and put the manager under pressure because few in power at the club are doing that. Would he have bought Ozil and Sanchez without the unrest? No chance.

  172. GoonerRon

    Sep 03, 2015, 7:53 #75278

    @ Where's Wally - hilarious. Could say the same for the WOB, although with the anti-Arsenal negativity blurted on here you would be on the payroll for Spuds, Chelsea, Citeh, Man U....

  173. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Sep 03, 2015, 7:40 #75277

    Note to all the AKB's out there. I assume the club and their PR firm have accounts in social media that are set up to protect their stance and to positively spin. Most large companies use them. So if you are an AKB posting on here or Twitter and you aren't getting paid by the club or their associates you need to have a long hard look at yourselves, as you're getting mugged off twice by them.You could be earning money for this nonsense.

  174. DW Thomas

    Sep 03, 2015, 2:04 #75276

    Ever notice how many more comments there are on these articles than the good happenings? Wenger is delusional. Walcott and Giroud can't hack it to win a title. How did the club give in to Walcotts wage demands considering how often he gets injured? Not buying at least a couple more players is another statement of complete and utter nonintent. This club is a poser. For years now we are taken as mugs, told lies, and charged for a four course meal but get only a bowl of lard with a hair in it. We will never win the league again under Wenger. He is too old, too stale. The club we love has become a symbol for perpetual second, no fourth, place! Sanchez and Ozil must be thinking wtf! We have to feed Giroud and Wally all season? Every team of wining pedigree has a top class striker that can singlehandedly win games. We don't. Bucket of tits. Sucking thumb. What a joke! Even the AKBs know it. You can't deny the facts. We added Cech, that's it!!! Chelsea, City, Man U. They're all laughing at us. We'll be miles behind by November, let alone Christmas! Get rid of Gunnersaurus and hire a giant groundhog! That might cheer me up for a little while!

  175. mbg

    Sep 02, 2015, 23:42 #75275

    Ron, wouldn't it be great, and yes I bet he's still in great shape both physically and mentally and I've no doubt he'd do a sound job even if it was temporary, and as soon as some of these wasters smelt the paco raban coming down the corridor in the morning they'd soon sit up. And you can just imagine the lift it would give us all, real reason to be optimistic again.

  176. jjetplane

    Sep 02, 2015, 23:13 #75274

    Amazing that all Wenger can witter on about is who Manchester United bought. Yeah the kid wot put Arsene out of the CL last season. Talk about sour grapes but that is Wenger for you. If you have the dosh there is nothing wrong with buying a 19 yr old. Young man's game and all that. Did I tell you that Phil the brother of Gary reckons Arsenal will remain a soft touch in the CL as long as they employ wishy-washy tactics? Just made that up but it does sound about right .... Sorry to hear BADARSe is reconsidering his position ...... JAMErsOn your alright mate but your posts do not pack the punch you think they might. Fine if you still play conkers and brlieve the Empire is still alive .....

  177. mbg

    Sep 02, 2015, 23:09 #75273

    Does anyone know where TOF is? has there been any sighting? is he still in Paris? surely he can't be working for any TV station my guess he's still out of the country lying on some beach somewhere leaving everyone else behind to discuss the mess he's left behind. No doubt he'll jet back in under cover of darkness around Sunday just the way he left with a smirk on his face.

  178. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 22:58 #75272

    gg is about 71 and still look s good. Wdt it be great to ask him back. even if he failed it would surpass this tepid, torture we ve had for so long. At worst we d get a team back that would have other dressing rooms pre match thinking ' we dont fancy this today gaffer' instead of lets get out there and knock these feint hearted fancy dans about!

  179. mbg

    Sep 02, 2015, 22:35 #75271

    SKG, your right there, George knew what he was doing and how to do it, and wouldn't have suffered some of these premadonna's lightly. And can you imagine what he'd have done with some of the players available to this excuse for a manager over the years? or even what he'd have done a few years back and what he'd have got out of them with the proper coaching, and NOW with the resources that this old man has available to him ( indeed that could be said about any manager worth his salt)ones things for sure we'd have a well organised defence, hell is there any chance of getting George back even on a temporary basis to sort out this mess, now that would be something/someone worth praising.

  180. jjetplane

    Sep 02, 2015, 22:27 #75270

    'We nailed the Shield' ...... has to be the funniest line of the day. Love the ambition.

  181. GoonerRon

    Sep 02, 2015, 22:16 #75269

    @ tpm - I chose 38 game sequences as it nicely equates to the equivalent of a league season and also over 38 games it should have a decent mix of opponents and competitions. As I said, it's not scientific but does show a trend and therefore isn't meaningless. Would I be happy if we won the League Cup? Hell yes. There are 4 trophies we can win at the start of the season (5 if you include the shield and we've already nailed that) so I'd always take one. For years Wenger was admonished for not winning anything, now all of a sudden we've won back-to-back FA Cups the domestic trophies are no longer good enough? No chance, let me have one every year. As for scraping 4th, well it depends on the context of how that relates to the other top positions in terms of proximity of points etc.

  182. tpm

    Sep 02, 2015, 21:58 #75268

    @gooner ron no it doesn't those stats are meaningless you need to look at the context of the games, were they dead rubbers, what competition they were in etc. you cannot in a million years use such stats to justify yourself. as for your aims of a season, so you would be happy to win a league cup and just scrape 4th? thats success for a club of arsenals size? really? the fa cup is increasingly like the league cup again, so your happy arsenal have become a cup team, like spurs used to consider themselves and be proud of cos they couldnt compete for the big prizes. really your happy with that and that constitutes success for arsen wenger in your eyes? alarming if so.

  183. GoonerRon

    Sep 02, 2015, 21:42 #75267

    @ Exeter Gunner - I think it's unfair to say performances and results haven't generally improved and, to enforce my other point, our form kicked on when our player availability was much better in the second half of last season. Just as a comparison, in our last 38 games in all competitions our record is W27 D5 L6 F75 A32 giving a points equivalent of 86. The 38 games before that our record was W19 D10 L8 F63 A44 giving a points equivalent of 68. I know it's not scientific but it does show a general improvement over a prolonged period in all aspects of our play.

  184. northbank123

    Sep 02, 2015, 21:33 #75266

    Same **** different window. Yawn. He's been putting his own ego and pet project ahead of the club's interests for years now, shouldn't surprise anyone.

  185. up for grabs

    Sep 02, 2015, 21:11 #75265

    frustrated but not suspired at not signing an outfield player. Wenger is not pushed from above to do anything except make money for our none Arsenal fan silent Stan. Wenger thinks it is his club and really don't give a dam about us fans or winning the EPL just so long as he gets all the publicity. How many player since DB10 get to have a testimonial? none as that would make them more than Wenger to the fans. Its just about him all the time. There were players out there that would have strengthened the team but some are probable strong characters and he can not have that it has to be his way. If you want change at the grove we need to stop going...It worked for the New York Giants in the early 80's with 52,000 no shows for a 72,000 season ticket game. they won the super bowl 2 seasons later. Hit them in the pocket that is all they know. We are now a business and if you have no customers you go under or change tactics. COYG

  186. John F

    Sep 02, 2015, 21:02 #75264

    Good point Captain Frank the pound could drop in value the closer the referendum gets esp if the polls show in favour of leaving.

  187. Captain Frank

    Sep 02, 2015, 20:39 #75263

    Something else which I haven't seen mentioned on here is the comparative strength of the Pound against the Euro compared to 12 months ago. Last year £10m was worth about €12.5m this year it is worth over €14m. As a result Man United have taken an even bigger hit on Di Maria than might initially be apparent because they bought from Euro-land when the Euro was strong and sold to Euro-land when it was weak. Arsenal should have been taking full advantage of this and buying from the contininent. Another missed opportunity and yet Wenger is lauded as an accountant!

  188. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 20:35 #75262

    Westie - City LC finalists in 74 . lost to Wolves. Went to that to. Marsh played for City that day. They won it in 76. Wolves had a good side then too. Richards Dougan Bailey MacCalliog Parkin Sunderland Waggy Wagstaffe Munro Mc Call and Co. Often destroyed teams at Molyneux. All great and good players. Wolves were 5- 7th placed Club regularly and an eg of how footie has changed for the worse and underlines why and how there was no unhealthy cartel at the top of Div 1 as there is with this load of rubbish PL now.

  189. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 20:19 #75261

    Westie - No disservice at all. Manchester City were not promoted until 1965. I do think i know a bit of City. I lived in Rusholme from 1969 to 74 and often saw their great sides of the late 60s at Maine Road and went to Wembley with student mates when they beat Albion in 1970 LC Final. Soft spot for City and its great to see them doing well again. Still get up to friends up there and theres no disservice. You need to check yr footie history a bit closer.Its a tad rusty Westie lad.

  190. John Gage

    Sep 02, 2015, 20:12 #75260

    I have always liked Arteta. I think that he is someone who brings a positive atmosphere to the changing room and at his peak was a good player. But he CANNOT be cover for Coquelin as he is not a natural DM, he is a CM or wide midfield player. At his age also he cannot be expected to play too many games, he should be used like Rosicky, sparingly, to break up play for the last 30 mins of the game. To me that is the most glaring aspect of this transfer window, the failure to buy a DM. If Arsene Wenger claims he cannot find players then the question has to be asked "Isn't that what scouts are for?"

  191. jjetplane

    Sep 02, 2015, 20:10 #75259

    HICcUP great stuff and your serious is as good as your satire - remarkable. OK - solution is vote with your feet and hopefully they will not bring in busloads of global Yankee fans - that ****ing cap! - to see from song sheets in a fundamentalist mode that smells of Utah baby! Nah the thing to do is just not go. Now Baddie and Westie gave up going a decade ago and yet they seem to like Wenger as though he just dropped in with his college grin and a spreadsheet/shirt to drape around Viera. Some sort of Jurassic pathology going on there and maybe they attend and get meds from Arseblog or the Telegraph who apparently speak the truth and have no bias. Your time is up Westie unless you are ready now for RON's online drop in advice centre. It's on here and it's free and you know you want to. We understand it is not easy 'fighting' for the Yankees when you thought it was for Islington. But hey! that's the now antiquated global village for you. All it really is is Grand Football Theft (GFT). I remember when The Tolly was a naughty pub. I guess it's now full of Tristans and posh black pudding and mustard mash. Gotta say I am unhappy he did not bring in more rubbish to add to the heap ... Looking forward to the Sleep videos when they go to Bayern again. Little lambs to the slaughter.

  192. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 02, 2015, 19:34 #75258

    Nearly as concerning as wenger's latest idiocy is the general lack of strength in depth up front. Neither Wally nor Giroud have great records when it comes to avoiding injuries and welbeck has been out for ages. Who comes next, given that sanogo (who OGL assured us was world class on the eve of his debut in the emer****es cup last year) and the much more promising Chuba-man are both out on loan? And he sold Podolski for next to nothing. At the very least he should recall Chuba now as cover. But as we all know, the club is run by cretins who care only for money...shameful.

  193. John F

    Sep 02, 2015, 19:34 #75257

    I really do think he had no intention of signing a striker.He only plays one up front which would mean not only Walcott but also Giroud and welbeck bench warming on their vast weekly wage.This would make the lucrative contracts awarded to Wally and Giroud look foolish as it surely was.It would be interesting if Pep became available next season would Wenger do the right thing and step aside to allow the club to go for him ?

  194. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 02, 2015, 19:30 #75256

    West lower - where were you travelling from? Aberdeen via sleeper car? I remember very well buying a standing season ticket for the northbank for £50 my weekly wage was around a £100 at the time . That makes the cost Extraordinary cheap in comparison to today. There's the rub most expensive tickets and no signings. Perhaps Kronke is swelling the capital balance to max out his sale price. Let's hope so These days a season ticket

  195. Dartford gooner

    Sep 02, 2015, 19:18 #75255

    Why did people get excited with the news about Wenger being in Paris yesterday. Where was the great man last year when the window was closing, in Rome meeting the pope. Don't forget Wenger said if the board gave him a £100 million he would hand it back. 15 players have been loaned out or sold but some people still think our squad is strong enough to win the league. Still got my season ticket because the club is like a drug I can't kick but Wenger is driving mad and pushing me over the edge

  196. Vinnie

    Sep 02, 2015, 19:05 #75254

    totally agree Ron hit nail on the head it is a business decision Suits the board and owner and Wenger is going along with it And if it suits them all it's difficult to see how it will change as depressing as thT sounds

  197. Bard

    Sep 02, 2015, 18:46 #75253

    Great article Kev and some cracking and cracked posts. Was this the transfer window when Arsenal's true ambition as a football club was laid bare for all to see. We have officially become the Marks and Spencers of football clubs. Happy to potter around the fringes of the top teams but more interested in the buck in the bank than the team on the park.The striker argument and the sum involved is completely fatuous. The club has a multi million pound worldwide scouting system that hasnt been able to find a decent striker since RVP left and who cant find one single player in world football who could improve the current team this window. If anyone on here truly believes that then they need their head examined. Amazing that euphoria and hope following the May fac has evaporated overnight. As Kev says , pressure on. Who will bet against the fact that if it goes tits up before Christmas we will suddenly, miraculously find that we have found a striker and can actually pay these inflated fees.

  198. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 02, 2015, 18:41 #75252

    GoonerRon, the only improvement that matters is in performances and results. These have not improved. Being optimistic that things in this regard are 'about to' change due to the factors you raise is not the same thing, and it's what we've heard for many years. I understand you want to believe this as you want to continue supporting Wenger as you always have done, but there is no evidence for it in what we're seeing on the pitch.

  199. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 02, 2015, 18:37 #75251

    The board are afraid of the challenge of preparing a team to fight for the top honours. Whatever GG failings at the end of his tenure were, when he started, he had a proper plan to remove those players he did not feel were hungry enough or he could replace with better - just ask the unlucky John Lukic. Arsene came into the club and made changes and sold players he did not fancy but he has become stale and he has been overtaken by younger hungrier managers. We need a feisty manager with the boards support, it would take a new man 3 - 5 years to find and knock into shape a group of players with an edge to them again. I am not going back until I know that whatever team is wearing our shirts I know that they are giving it 100% - and do you know what, that is all I really want. Until then I shall continue with Div 1 football, with some assurance that the teams I watch may be limited but they are giving it their very best each time they play.

  200. mbg

    Sep 02, 2015, 18:27 #75250

    Hiccup, yes keeping his powder dry was always a good one, long dead, but given the kiss of life this afternoon. You couldn't make it up.

  201. GoonerRon

    Sep 02, 2015, 18:20 #75249

    @ Exeter Gooner - so you're saying our squad today isn't better than it was this time last year? Also, the improvement in the availability of our players was much better in the last 6 months than it had been previously. On the basis this coincided with us strengthening the back room staff and change to approach in this area isn't it fair to say this improvement could continue?

  202. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Sep 02, 2015, 18:07 #75248

    @tpm I too can't believe that the club denied the tabloids, the headline "Bender goes up the Arsenal". Would love to see Reus come, he changed Dortmund's season around when he got fit last season,he's worth every penny of 60mill in the current market. The Champagne is still in the fridge for the day Wenger goes. If he see's me off, I've instructed the kids to drink it.

  203. mbg

    Sep 02, 2015, 18:03 #75247

    Going back to your heading Kev, no pressure then.. I believe wenger is under more pressure now than ever he was in the last ten years ( I know it's been suggested before)but he's dug himself a hole now, by not spending and strengthening in the proper areas, there's no or will be no hiding place if he doesn't deliver,(even another FA Cup won't be enough) and we suffer humiliation and embarrassment like we always do (and I expect us to do again this season) the up roar if/when it all goes pear shaped will be deafening even from his followers and when it does as I again expect it to he will walk, he'll have no choice.

  204. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:58 #75246

    GoonerRon, what measurement were you using before coming to the conclusion that the team is 'immeasurably' better than a year ago? Clearly not performances or results. And you seem to assume there aren't going to be a lot of injuries this season, for the first time in 10 years. A contribution that tips over from reasoned assessment into unfounded belief, unfortunately.

  205. Westlower

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:50 #75245

    @Ron You do Man City a disservice as they were very much on the radar in the 60's under Mercer & Allinson, Bell & Summerbee, et al. They won the old 2nd Div in 65/66 before winning the 1st Div in 67/68, FA Cup winners in 68/69, League Cup & Euro Cup Winners Cup double in 69/70.

  206. GoonerRon

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:42 #75244

    @ tpm - yes of course I'm aware that revenue continues to accumulate and from that a proportion can/will be set aside for transfers. What I meant was just because we have money set aside now it doesn't mean we have to spend it all now in this window, on this deadline day. We aren't in the position of Man U who can afford a £20m hit on Di Maria after one season, or like Chelsea who can spend £100m on 5 right wingers in two years and hope one works. As for what constitutes Wenger being bitten on the ass - my view on this has been consistent since the commercial deals were renegotiated - for me it is a trophy and/or a genuine tilt at the title (i.e. winning it or being in the running to win it in the final 5 games.)

  207. Torbay gooner

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:37 #75243

    GoonerRon, Giroud and Walcott will not win teams premierships or even close to. Walcott has had one or maybe two relatively injury free seasons in the nine years he has been at the club and his goalscoring record in that time is distinctly average. He talks a good game, no question, but can't see Chelsea or Man City making a bid for him any time soon. As for Giroud, not a bad striker, but once again would get no where near the top clubs. Ozil has an aversion to shooting and the Ox is far too inconsistent/injury prone take your pick. As for challenging for the title in the immortal words of Johnny mac "you cannot be serious"!

  208. Hiccup

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:36 #75242

    Good stuff Kevin. Even if you rammed a jar of Nescafé up the noses of some on here they'd still just smell wenger's arse. I was upset that the transfer window had closed, as I do like a good chuckle at some of the garbage that is written on here. But thankfully, the excuses are still coming thick and fast. From the days when our hands were 'allegedly' financially tied, we were told stick with it, our day will come. Remember being told when FFP also kicks in, we'll have millions in the bank and we'll go to town against the big boys who won't be able to buy anyone. Keeping our powder dry was also good line. Oh, and let's not forget, if we spent owt back then we would have gone the same way as Portsmouth? And now we have all these millions, they tell us it's not worth spending? I don't recall these hypocrites saying 5 years ago that when we built up these cash reserves that we'd be better off not spending it? Had Wenger spent £65m this summer, do you think these same hypocrites would have been up in arms. Nah, Wenger would have been a genious. Can you imagine the crap they'd be saying. They'd be explaining how right they were years ago, and look at it paying off dividends now. And isn't it amazing, how for years when we 'had no money', all of our players were 'available' to be bought, but now we have money dripping from the rafters, there aren't any players available for us to buy? These guys don't want to smell the coffee. And in true AKB fashion, we are now told let's wait until January to see if there are better options available? Well we all know what happens in January. There is no value and it is much more difficult to sign players in January. Not my words, wenger's words. Smell the coffee? They've got their heads that far in the sand they're deaf dumb and blind to it all.

  209. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:34 #75241

    Westie - i d say too that the league yrs ago wasn't a 3 horse race every season either. Any team from 7 or 8 could quite reasonably expect to chase the top spot. The teams below them all had players capable of destroying those at the top too. Competition was far higher and the spread of clubs where the best players plied their trade was wider.

  210. Ho Hum

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:31 #75240

    BergPires- It's less about Wenger not being able to find anyone better than Giroud in the last 24 hours, and much more about Wenger not being able to find anyone better than Giroud since Van Persie declared he wasn't going to sign a new contract SEVEN transfer windows ago. Torbay gooner- Sorry mate but there will be no revolt bar the odd boo and catcall. Wenger's disciples enjoy defending their man against the unbelievers far more than they enjoy winning trophies, and anyone who hasn't been turned by now is a lost cause.

  211. Jason

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:24 #75239

    As some people have already alluded to, Wenger is doing exactly what is expected of him. Get Arsenal in to the top four with the absolute minimum expenditure. There is no desire whatsoever at the club to compete, let alone win the Premier League. Us fans can moan and groan as much as we want on social media, the radio, and even in the ground, but whilst Wenger is fulfilling the ambition of the people that matter nothing will change. The only way for change is to hit them in the pocket, but unfortunately that whilst even now there are many fans still supporting Wenger and filling the Emirates every week nothing will change.

  212. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:23 #75238

    Those days have long gone Westie. Everything s relative. The game is far different. AFC s place in it isn't at all like it was back then and what you're saying is a red herring. Manchester City werent on the radar back then. By yr logic, should they set out now on a policy to deliberately regress so to take them back to the old 2nd Div as they were in the mid 60s and tell their fans theyre doing it in their best interests so not to raise their hopes and aspirations despite their wealth and resources now? Yr point is a dud one in my view.

  213. Westlower

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:18 #75237

    @GTG, Football clubs have always charged as much as they could get away with. Twas ever thus. When I first started work back it 1963 it would cost me about 2 days wages for travel to London & expenses involved in attending a game. As I earned more with age it only cost me a day's wage. I have sympathy for anyone who has a long journey to attend home games & complete admiration for our away supporters. The locals who lived a 10 minute walk way from the ground had it easy & got their football on the cheap! It was always going to be expensive after moving to the Emirates, as it will be down the road when our neighbours have completed building their new ground. Football has become showbiz.

  214. Exeter Gunner

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:17 #75236

    The excuse used to be there wasn't the money, now it's that the players aren't available. The excuses change, what remains the same is Wenger. As Westlower points out, he was never going to buy a DM after giving Arteta another year. Giving Wally that massive contract was a pretty big clue he wasn't in for a forward either. People getting worked up on deadline day was pointless, the signs were there all along - Wenger never had any intention of buying.

  215. tpm

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:17 #75235

    @goonerron spending now, means we wont generate revenue to spend more in future. what n earth are you talking about? we dont just have one transfer pot that when spent is gone...it gets replenished each season by massive tv deals, sponsorship, prize money, ticket and game day turnover etc. dont you understand how revenue works? as for not getting a dm maybe biting aw on the bum, what would constitute him being bitten on the bum? what is your target for him that if he fails you will then say as much?? 4th place and a nice cup run??? please tell us what your genuine aim is wenger and what would constitute a failure in your eyes.

  216. GoonerRon

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:12 #75234

    Predictable response due to the modern day barometer of success being based on how many players a team buys each window, whilst spending every last single penny we have. In the last 2 seasons we have spent over £100m net so we've not done too badly at seeing cash go out of the door, plus for all you schoolboys out there you should always keep something back for a rainy day (or the next transfer window or two). I'd prefer to focus on whether we are better now than at the start of the window? Clearly yes, Cech is a significant upgrade in a vital position and we haven't sold any key players. Are we better than we were this time last year? Immeasurably so, with Gabriel, Bellerin, Coquelin and Cech adding quality with the likes of Campbell and Iwobi extending our squad depth since the summer 2014 window closed. I do think Wenger has taken a risk in not getting a DM but only time will tell whether this bites him on the ass. Perhaps our improved defensive balance in the 2nd half of the year meant this wasn't as crucial as it once was. I think the furore around the striker is a bit ridiculous - I don't worry about us getting goals - I think that will come. Giroud missed a big chunk of the season with injury and based on his scoring rate when he came back he would have pushed near 30 goals in the full season. Likewise, since his 'breakthrough' season in 2012/13 Theo has averaged better than one goal every two starts. Other offensive players missed big parts of last season too (Ozil, Ox) so it's fair to suggest better output from them this season. Looking at the squad without any post-deadline-day-I-want-Wenger-killed-red-mist I think we're in great shape to challenge for the title.

  217. Alsace

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:09 #75233

    Somewhere I feel that I would have predicted that he had to buy four players and that he wouldn't do it. Not even I expected that the only signing would be the arrival, Flamini like, of a top class goalkeeper saying "my Mrs doesn't want to move and I wont play for Spurs so gis a job". We need an extra central defender, we need a defensive midfielder and we need a top striker. We needed them last September and we need them now. We won't get them next September. Consequence free environment or not, the luckiest man in football's luck can't last forever. Let's hope the media get really stuck in this time.

  218. tpm

    Sep 02, 2015, 17:06 #75232

    @chris dee so morgan schneridelin was the only DM in Europe that was 'available'??? what about bender at a mid size german club (bayer lev) or the monaco guy who bossed us...both far better than coq, and would realistically be got for reasonable fees, how do you know he chose utd? by all media accounts we didn't bid, and had we, we were his preferred choice. and what is all this rubbish about availability? if a a club really wants to sign a player you get it done. was cesc available when barca came calling? or rvp when utd did, what about anelka when madrid did? how about overmars and petit when barca called? availability is nothing and you know it, your using it as the last argument as its all you have to defend the defenseless. ok pretending availability is an issue, what about those dM's with known release clauses like the pole at seville who was available for 21m. someone who could have given quality support and competition at dm. please address these points.

  219. Torbay gooner

    Sep 02, 2015, 16:54 #75231

    Good article Kevin, yet again the club is taking the pee. It was bad enough last season, when crying out for a striker we signed in January, a crocked over the hill midfielder, whose contribution to the season was minimal to say the least! We all know that Walcott is made of glass and is liable to miss large chunks of a season, Giroud can go several games without even looking like scoring and Sanchez may not be able to replicate his one man feats from last season. What do we do then, bring back Sanogoal from Ajax? No doubt, there will more aggro in the stands if these insipid non performances at home continue.

  220. mbg

    Sep 02, 2015, 16:31 #75230

    It's good to see newcomers on here today and last night (and some who haven't been hear for a while) with the same opinions and saying the same things as some of us have and been doing for years now, your very welcome indeed, I guess this old past it manager has eventually done to you what he did to us a long time ago. wenger out.

  221. Rob

    Sep 02, 2015, 16:31 #75229

    Ron - 79534 - I think you are onto something there. I can certainly see all this festering away into 2020 and beyond. Terrifying !!!!!!

  222. AJH

    Sep 02, 2015, 16:31 #75228

    Chris Dee, I hate AFC losing, I hate other supporters taking the p..s out of us, I hate and always will hate Totteringham, but there are other issues other than the transfer window debacle. I was not expecting a major signing but at least a name / player to bolster the squad after Ozil & Sanchez it was never going to be a superstar but please just because there are unhappy fans don't think we don't care we are expressing our views because we do !

  223. BergPires

    Sep 02, 2015, 16:30 #75227

    Loads of Gooners are angry with the events that took place. Wenger couldn’t find anyone better than our current crop of forwards, so he decided against bringing anyone in. I haven’t got a problem with that at all. If you look at Chelsea, who are bringing in players who have no chance of making an impact on the first team and Man U splashing out £36 million on an unproven 19 year old, no wonder Wenger decided to stay out of the madness. If we can survive without any key injuries to Coquelin and our defence until January, then hopefully better options will be available in January for the club to consider. I still think we have enough goals in the team. I’d be more worried if we weren’t creating enough chances, but thankfully this isn’t an issue. In Arsene We Trust!

  224. Westlower

    Sep 02, 2015, 16:28 #75226

    @GTG, Benteke 100% better than Giroud? Are you sure. His last two performances for Liverpool have been pants. I agree that we'd have pushed the boat out for Benzema if were given any encouragement he wanted to join us & RM were prepared to let him go. RM couldn't find a replacement for him & that's why he's still there. Sod all to do with Wenger's transfer policy. I too hoped for Kondogbia would join us but Coq hasn't played badly enough to deserve the boot has he? As soon as Arteta was given a years extension we were never going to sign a DM. It will happen in 12 months when Arteta departs.

  225. John A

    Sep 02, 2015, 16:15 #75225

    AFC,Wenger et al just don't seem to get the whole idea of what entertainment is about. You get the income, you provide the best resources you can based on that and the punters come back for more. By not investing in the team based on the income available you create the impression that the fan does not matter. We have seen the consequences of alienating the fans in previous years the club get a reality check from supporter pressure then panick when it dawns on them that some will walk away. I have always felt the core support is around 50,000 totally loyal fans the rest are made up of those who want the best product and eternal success. No point in having the stadium if you can't fill it. Loyalty only goes so far people are not mugs.

  226. GTG

    Sep 02, 2015, 16:04 #75224

    Westflower - I understand what you are saying and Im too young to have experienced those times but back then the club priced its tickets accordingly did it not? The clubs revenues now and the prices that they charge us mean that we have a right to expect that to be invested in attempting to make us the best that we can be. That is not happening. The transfers issue is a really bizarre one.... Wenger has shown in the past 2 seasons that he will spend when he deems the player good enough. I also have no doubt if Benzema was available we'd have paid for him. What really irks me is that he just refuses to upgrade. Is schneiderlin/Kondogbia an upgrade on Coq of course he is. Benteke better than Giroud? 100%. Its staggering and the day he leaves the club i'll take a week off work to celebrate

  227. au revoir wenger

    Sep 02, 2015, 15:57 #75223

    only the fans can force change but thats unlikely i mean ,have you watched Arsenal fan tv? its like one flew over the cuckoos nest

  228. Westlower

    Sep 02, 2015, 15:54 #75222

    @Ron, Back in our youth how many seasons were we ever in with a shout of making the top 4? It was a rare event my friend. Our expectations have been raised somewhat since the fallow days of the 50's, 60's, mid to late 70's & early 80's. Our biggest boast was that we were the only club to avoid relegation. It's light years away from where the club is now.

  229. GTG

    Sep 02, 2015, 15:50 #75221

    @Chris Dee did you not see Kondogbia absolutely run the show at the Emirates last year. He went to Inter for £25m are you saying we can't compete with teams in Serie A? Any player worth their salt would choose to come to England rather than italy these days given the wages and level of competition we could offer. As said a million times already the players are out there but Wenger doesn't want to know. It really is that simple.

  230. mbg

    Sep 02, 2015, 15:35 #75220

    Tony Evans, and the club and wenger will continue to push because there's still plenty of fans with gullible tattooed on their foreheads. wenger out.

  231. chris dee

    Sep 02, 2015, 15:34 #75219

    tpm. Just giving an opinion .People who have become almost apoplectic about this transfer window don't love the club any more than those ,like myself,who understand why we have not bought anyone. DM? Morgan whatsisname chose United over Arsenal end of story.Can't think of any other DM's who were available,although I think the position has been a problem since Gilberto Silva left,and yes, that's down to the manager.

  232. AJH

    Sep 02, 2015, 15:21 #75218

    Ron, I agree with you that those who attend the Emirates are treated as 'customers ' by the club and not proper football supporters. In this a democratic country as soon as a banner comes out or bad mouthing of Wenger / board starts the men in their hi-vis jackets arrive on the scene to take away the banner or turf people out !! Was there a mention of Kim Jong Um earlier??

  233. tpm

    Sep 02, 2015, 15:19 #75217

    @westlower and chris dee, what about a dm? why was that not strengthened???? as for spurs lowballing, its nothing to do with the tv deal kicking in next year, its typical levy, especially now he is struggling to fund a stadium as no one wants to sponsor or lend them much. you will use event the most obtuse and random things to defend wenger, its bizarre, i think you and your ilk may actually be ill the extremes you go to ignore whats in your face and defend an old frenchman.

  234. Nick

    Sep 02, 2015, 15:15 #75216

    Westflower, do we not have our own medical team ? Are we incapable of deciding a players fitness for ourselves or do we listen to the opinions of Spivs like Gold at West Ham ?? Ron appreciate what your saying but if Wenger had the integrity of an egg and the guts of a field mouse he should have come out and said its the board and the owner who decide our transfer policy and that he is being blocked from improving the team, but he has no guts or integrity if he thinks lying to us is acceptable! FFP is dead in the water it was a non starter anyway, we have to work in the environment were given , that being the case Kronke should be made aware he is not wanted and Usmanov should take over at least the bloke is actually interested in us winning things, I'm no glory hunter, but a club of Arsenals stature should at the very least ASPIRE to greatness !!

  235. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Sep 02, 2015, 15:15 #75215

    Wenger is a joke now!! He is a personality cult!! He's blind faith in players who are clearly not good enough is Actually quite admirable ONLY if your one of those players Loool ! They must feel soooo loved, that their manager believes in them that much. Even though they are not good enough!! Secondly I actually believe if we had a better tactical manager with nous we would do better in Europe. Why the hell does this fool believe you have to go gung-ho away in the cl?? You have to go away and defend deep and as a unit it's not rocket science. Yet this Buffon thinks we have world class players in every position!! It's delusional thinking and proves Neville's point of this guy being arrogant and naive. I would say he is more arrogant!! To actually think he can go easy and try outplay teams with better players is just down right arrogance!! It's thinks like this that prove the man has been finished for atleast 8 years!! I heard if you say anything bad about Wenger and you work at arsenal you will get a p45 Loool. The club is run like a dictatorship!! The man is living off what he did 11 years ago!! Do you thin any big club manager can live off what he did 11 years ago?? This proves we are either not a big club or we have owner who is a joke and Kronke is despised by the fans of the teams he owns in the states. St. Louis rams, Denver nuggets and Colorado rapids are all awful teams. Those teams used to win before he came along. He does not want to invest into the team!! No ambition and passion just own a club to just own one!! Say what you want about the Arab and Russian billionaires they love football and are passionate about it!! They love the sport and will invest heavy to see their teams do well!! They don't just see it at just a business to own!! They are passionate about it

  236. Avenell Road

    Sep 02, 2015, 15:10 #75214

    World class strikers are virtually impossible to bring in but Sanogo is okay? Wenger is a joke and a hypocrite.

  237. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 14:51 #75213

    Rob - do you reckon the allure of beating Fergies longevity will attract him? I do. He ll have his lackie in, Henry alongside him as quick as a flash of course once hes finished his coaching badges there im guessing. As good as a done deal as i see it. Borne out by Henrys nervy self concious rummaging when with Neville last week.

  238. JDG

    Sep 02, 2015, 14:49 #75212

    The issue is that the manager is afraid of Failure, why are we always 2/3 players short of a genuine challenge - because Wenger knows that if we did buy those requisite palyers & did not subsequently properly challenge then his time would be up.Simples!!

  239. Rob

    Sep 02, 2015, 14:45 #75211

    Quite right to remind of of past - and blatant - lies. As in Hill-Wood's egregious statement about the stadium move not effecting the playing side of things. But it all comes down to ambition. And ours is for fourth place, as this allows Wenger to pose as a genius whilst doing the minimum otherwise. Don't kid yourself he'll be gone in two years. I reckon at least another three beyond that. Oh Joy !!

  240. TJ

    Sep 02, 2015, 14:43 #75210

    So we were the only club from the top five leagues of Europe not to add an outfield player... The DM position being ignored is unforgivable- it's the lynchpin of the whole defensive system. You can't put frail Arteta OR Flamini in there against a quality or strong side and expect to control the centre of the park (or will Cazorla and Ozil not need help!?). Tiote from Newcastle would have been the perfect choice for that position and there were others too. As for the striker situation- I like Walcott and think with a run of games he would be better than Giroud- it's madness giving him £140k a week and putting him on the bench. In terms of transfers of other players, this should have been a dead issue YEARS ago, that's the real issue here. Firstly, I followed the Higuain transfer closely every day and we were in for him at about £25m, we dithered over the fee however and then Napoli romped in with a massive £34m offer. We still could have gone up to at least £42.5m using the Ozil fee but NO. I watched him a lot at Real, he would have been perfect for us. What about Suarez? £50-60 million is what Liverpool said they would sell for, but we wouldn't pay it. Benzema is average- he's criticised for a lack of goalscoring in Spain and is there to pass to Ronaldo... Cavani is quality but has huge wages. Both players are past their best anyway. I honestly think the only decent option would have been Lukaku at, say, £30-35m, as although he's clumsy he's only 22 and has genuine potential. All in all, I stopped caring so much about Arsenal recently- I know we all love the club but it's really pointless investing much of your time and energy in it as the failures have been predictably manifesting courtesy of Wenger for years now. Whilst he's at the helm just accept that he's taken us as far as he can! It's the only way I can cope with the malaise the club is in...

  241. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 14:41 #75209

    AJH - sensible stuff. It assumes though that those who go to the home games have football, competition and trophy challenges as their sole rationale for going.Many who did, no longer go. Many today are there because they've been caught up in the glamour of the glitzy stadium etc, the bars and so on. Others go because its the place to be seen to go.Many others just cag on to those ive mentioned for the day out. The SKY age has mesmerized so many who go. Theyre like lemmmings. Im fairly sure that the stadium would still be more or less full even if the team was towards the bottom of the table. This begs the question as to whether a relegation scrap would actually create some passion, interest and fervour there? My view is that it might. The present tepid stuff certainly doesnt. Its an odd phenomenon but AFC as things stand doesnt need football supporters. They want, need and have got 'customers'. The latter are placid and unquestioning so theyre valued by AFC - they dont rock boats. Theyre happy as long as the ambience of the place is OK. Its PL 'cafe culture' - Wengers primary legacy.

  242. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Sep 02, 2015, 14:38 #75208

    Well the manager has taken a huge gamble and bought only a top class keeper and a few hopeful punts on younger players.how many players did he sign the year mad yens arrived?he has backed the players we have to the hilt so everyone of them owes him big time.glad we did not sign the the 2 forwards we have been linked with but would of loved it for us to have signed that bloke from WBA the spudz wanted yesterday just to anoy them.he is a big risk too.we also seem to have a very long out list including sales,loans and frees so some one was busy.some of the fees paid for players of promise by other clubs are huge risks i am glad AW did not make.i hope we have a DM on the stiffs though.

  243. Toe Knee Add Ums

    Sep 02, 2015, 14:34 #75207

    I see the frustration. Wenger is over cautious in the market but I do think it is genuinely difficult to find a striker that's available and there clubs willing to sell, oh and world class also. Guess we'll have to see what happens...

  244. AJH

    Sep 02, 2015, 14:24 #75206

    As mentioned by many others all the time the stadium is sold out for home games the board do not care about the fans but only the rewards they are receiving especially Stan. So stop going along to support Stan, save yourselves some money and support the team from your homes / pubs as a majority of our games are screened live anyhow. Then wait for the cameras to find a squirming Ivan in his seat when looking at a half empty stadium. If Stan & Ivan won't strengthen the squad then why should hard working honest supporters give up their money on the highest priced tickets in the country. Hit them where it hurts.

  245. Westlower

    Sep 02, 2015, 14:21 #75205

    Post of the day to Chris Dee 79486. Someone who has not been sucked into the media circus of the transfer window. What an irresponsible bunch at SKY Sports HQ hyping up & winding up fans in the final hours of the transfer window. The mantra seems to be that if your club hasn't broken it's previous transfer spend you are losers. Completely unacceptable behaviour and FIFA/FA/PL need to clean up the whole sorry business of transfers. A window limited to June 1st to July 31st may help remove the anxiety & panic out of the situation. A financial reality check is needed after Spurs offered WBA three £6m payments over 3 years + add on's for Berahino. The new pot of TV money doesn't kick in until next year. Perspective, perspective.

  246. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 14:18 #75204

    Olivier - i always reckon 'Club Level' sums up today's Arsenal. Punters buying seats for business purposes as much as for any enjoyment of football (many openly state that they havent much interest in it) and paying between 3-4 K and and 10 plus K for the privilege, yet rarely attending 2 games in a row. Sums the Club up.

  247. CT Gooner

    Sep 02, 2015, 14:07 #75203

    Arsene Wenger is sucking all hope out of us Gooners. For the most part, those who don't like him are dealing with the fact he has two more years, but have all parts of their body crossed that he'll improve the team and get more out of his squad. Those that like him already have no hope, and are resigned and actually seem happy with the 4th place trophy. Well, he didn't improve the squad, the signing of Cech alone does not do that, and we already know the "tactics" will not be altered, so Ho-Hum, same as the last decade then. Can you believe a generation has grown up with this now!!

  248. goonerjay

    Sep 02, 2015, 13:46 #75202

    Red member - I retract my earlier comment... it appears my sense of humour has abandoned me today

  249. Willow

    Sep 02, 2015, 13:43 #75201

    Hard to argue with anything you’ve written Kevin, although no doubt some will try. Since you’ve mentioned it though I would be interested to know which of the strikers who have moved this summer you would have liked to have seen come to Arsenal for the money which was paid? I have to concede I’m struggling to name one who I genuinely feel would have been a step-improvement on what we have. There are very few world class strikers available and those that are already play for the biggest clubs in Europe so aren’t likely to come to little old us. A defensive midfielder though to compete with Coquelin should have been much easier to obtain – I’d have loved to have seen Vidal for example who has the same work ethic as Sanchez.

  250. Ho Hum

    Sep 02, 2015, 13:27 #75200

    So the Arsenal Supporters Trust are so unhappy with our transfer window they've gone as far releasing a statement. Yes, the same AST whose survey just a few weeks ago gave Wenger an 84% approval rating. No use moaning now guys, if you're gullible enough to fall for a devalued trophy and Le Fraud's lies year after year after you're only ever going to have tears at bedtime to look forward to. Kev, the answer to your question of accountability is that the many Westlowers and Badarses of this world are to blame for our continued stagnation. Hero worship should cease in the teenage years and hand-wringing guilt should be reserved for that which is far important than football. Thank The Lord for the articulate few on here and one or two other places who love the club more than the manager and actually want it to move forward.

  251. Chris

    Sep 02, 2015, 13:11 #75199

    The problem is that whilst we all support Arsenal Football Club, its majority shareholder and board are business men who see it not as a club but as a business whose success is measured by the balance sheet and P&L account at the end of the year rather than anything that happens on the pitch. Whilst finishing in the top 4 makes a huge difference to the balance sheet, actually winning the Premier League makes only a couple of million difference, therefore why would you spend £100m to try and win something that even if you do win it will not give you a good return on your investment? Under the current ownership/board we will not challenge for the Premier League, let alone the Champions League and even if Wenger did leave I would not trust the current board to be able to appoint a suitable replacement. The big difficulty for me as a fan is what can I do about it, the board know that they will sell out every game so there really is no incentive for change. I considered not renewing my ST this time round but there are hundreds of people waiting to take my place so would not have a financial impact on the club and any kind of protest is unlikely to attract the kind of support needed to make a real impact. If we don't win the Premier League then so be it, I would just like to be in the situation where we are at least challenging for it.

  252. Westlower

    Sep 02, 2015, 13:09 #75198

    @Nick David Sullivan of West Ham did for Charlie Austin when he said his knee would never pass a medical. He's probably going to spend the rest of his career at QPR as a consequence.

  253. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 13:05 #75197

    g jay - Red Member is being sardonic. His point is a good one.

  254. Peter Wain

    Sep 02, 2015, 13:02 #75196

    Ivan looks at his bank balance and could not careless. It's the same from the owner down. Challenge for the premiership and Cl don't make me laugh they would not know how to and do not see why they should out their bonuses at risk. No more of the same higher season ticket prices who cares about the supporters and why worry about winning.

  255. goonerjay

    Sep 02, 2015, 13:01 #75195

    Red member - that is quite possibly the most retarded thing I have ever heard from an Arsenal fan. We are The Arsenal and we're not competing for the league then questions need to be asked! What sort of Arsenal fan has literally no expectation in the team? What would be the bloody point in supporting them? It's fans like you that are part of the problem

  256. mbg

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:57 #75194

    Red Member, i'll certainly not argue with you about that, as I referred to as much in a post yesterday, when I said we (the fans) deserve him, for letting him off with it, and get away with it all, all these years, well maybe not all fans to be fair it's obvious some of us still care and want what's best for our club for it to show ambition, compete and achieve (and aren't afraid to say so) but the others? who are quite happy to support him and plod on with the same old same old season after season after season even regress, deserve him alright.

  257. Mathew

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:57 #75193

    Knives will be out by the next loss and its Stoke City, glad its a home game though. I think its his economics is overpowering his managerial skills, he could be a shrewd and stingy Director but not a manager anymore. His skills have rusted, and hardly have seen him voicing against the Board (who are happy with the money....probably). You have conned us again Wenger, I suggest the Club should return Seasons ticket holders their money, if they don't win the league, simple.

  258. RJ

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:41 #75192

    What was interesting was that reportedly (BBC, must be true) we could had had Cavani for £50m, which would have been a decent deal (compared to, say, Martial...) - but didn't want to pay that much because he is too old to have resale value - that I think tells you a lot about the way we look at transfers, and was perhaps the saddest part of the window for me - so we paid the money for Sanchez and Ozil expecting we will make a return on them at some point. COYG

  259. GG89

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:38 #75191

    I like it... trust in the existing players, not signing DM a little weird but then Arteta/flamini are there - Benzema never wanted to come, he´s playing regulary at the biggest club in the world! Cavani too expensive 50m for a 28 year old who´s form could be better was a bad deal - FKs what Lazio are doing with Higuiane but then if it were an attractive deal then the Chavs etc would be sniffing around etc etc... Well done guys! I what a new manager but AW has done something bold. Maybe we get to see Jeff and the kids play a bit? Citeh look like they already won the league anyway... if they slip up then we could be there.

  260. Nick T

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:36 #75190

    Spot on Kev, as you say doing business in the transfer market is nowhere near as difficult as Arsenal make it look....actually its really very simple just get the manager on the phone, say you want their best player and roberts your fathers brother - Arsene could tell you that!!

  261. Cyril

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:31 #75189

    As Ron says, the business model cannot be faulted. I used to work at ash burton grove and they moved my employment to another part of Islington. I am pleased they fell on their feet as the site was perfect but the greed is now turning my stomach. I wanted this to happen for the benefit of Arsenal fc and the fans as a collective whole and not for private business to make untold capital fortune. It's not what footy is about. It's supposed to be for the people as a whole. Yes, if you invest get a return and have a nice life but I see this as long term strategy to take untold millions from the club in the form of selling up shares, earnings and backhanded dividends. What a master stroke. A club literally in central London , its about 12 mins on Piccadilly line from Holloway to Covent garden. The city is booming with investment everywhere. Properties being bought up by the highest bidder. It's now a thousand pounds a square foot in many parts of the locality. This is not the Islington that I grew up in going back forty five years now and nor is my Arsenal. Gutted!

  262. jjetplane

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:29 #75187

    That was beautifully put Kev and thanks for that. Many of us have mentioned players like Sanchez - who having a good last season because he was the main man and not a bench warmer - will be itching to progress further and the possibility of say a domestic cup will have him in tears. Ozil I imagined is quite shocked with what his task is at Arsenal compared to what he is used to. He is not a Sanchez and though he has oodles of talent he cannot practice his arts with the likes of a Giroud who does not have the personality/confidence of even an Austin. No point in exploring the padding of the likes of Arteta who is now employed to break up play for 15 minutes on the basis Arsenal are protecting a lead. Afraid to say that Wenger is now in the spotlight and he is becoming a minor dictatorial type with a tired personae to match. Cannot imagine young footballers can really connect with someone who has had his 'sporting days.' Again - great article and the truth always hurts and a great deal of fans have been hurting for a decade due to the club losing it's identity under an assets management team with little real love for football. Hopefully there will come a time when the youngsters of Islington can dream again. Love the real the real Arsenal, not the current brand ....

  263. Tony Evans

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:22 #75186

    Hi Kevin - agree with all you have said. How did I allow myself to think it would be any different? Arsenal are pushing fans gullibility to the limits now and I wonder how much longer they will get away with peddling the myth that they want to be serious title / CL challengers?

  264. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:19 #75185

    Nick - in fairness to Wenger hes just the spin doctor/ mouthpiece for Kroenke really, albeit a very willing, well paid and compliant one. Rather akin to what Alastair Campbell was to Blair. Kroenke just taps into the quasi 'politician' in Wenger. Wenger is vital to Kroenke though and his salary reflects it. A very strong partnership indeed. Breakable only by Kroenke.

  265. Red Member

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:16 #75184

    why do posters continually say Wenger is to blame? he is to blame for what? he has developed a good squad of players so that he can achieve his aim of 4th place. where did the club ever state that we were trying to win the league? supporters really need to get more with whats happening. there are some real dinosaur comments on here. this is 21st century football. you dont need to win anything to be successful anymore!! what an antiquated concept.

  266. mbg

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:13 #75183

    rellends, good post, I agree, and I said as much in another post yesterday that we're witnessing the last times/reign of wenger and it cant come soon enough.

  267. Gaz

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:11 #75181

    Can't argue with any of that Kev. I dared to believe that he'd make the two important signings (DM and CF) that we badly needed as I was desperate to get behind him again. Sadly thouse who told me I was barking mad were proven right as he somehow managed to subject us to the most pathetic transfer window ever. I'm now firmly back to wanting him out as I firmly believe we'll never win the PL or CL with him in charge. We might well win another FA cup but with all due respect to a once great competition no big Club starts the season with aspirations of winning it. It's bailed Wenger out and a lot of our fans still dine out on it but the move to the Emirates was supposed to see us challenge for the bigger trophies rather than domestic Cups which simply aren't that important any more. Sadly whilst there was a lot of angst last night on twitter there are still those willing to offer Wenger excuse after excuse after excuse. I really dont understand that although I'm guessing they feel to not back him 100% makes them less loyal. So now every game will become an event in itself. Every Giroud miss, or if Coqualin misses games will be greeted with mass critisism and I'm guessing a lot of abuse. The in-fighting created by Wengers reluctance to call it a day will intensify and this unless we win the title and get to the real later stages of the CL the calls will simply increase for him to go. It's going to be a really nasty and horrible season at times yet Wenger, Gazidis and Kroenke have nobody else to blame but themeselves. Roll on 2017 when I hope we finally see the end of Wengers reign at Arsenal...

  268. Nick

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:03 #75179

    I don't care about breaking records in fees to bring in players, but Wenger was NEVER going to even break a bloody sweat in this window, he is an habitual bloody liar , instead of his lame " we work hard to find players" he should have had the guts and decency to say he was NOT going to buy anyone, I still think a punt on Charley Austin who outscored Giroud last term in a relegation team would have been a good move , he has proven he can score goals at this level, but I doubt Wenger ever considers lower league apart from to get young kid in, but has no problem with buying from ligue 2 in France, he has doomed us to a season of frustration yet again and I doubt very much there will be a consolation prize at Wembley in May next year !

  269. Charles

    Sep 02, 2015, 12:00 #75178

    Only one man to blame and it's Wenger, the man with the degree in false economy. Instead of having a strong squad with 2 strong options for every position ,he would rather have a squad of 18 players and play players out of position until they're run into the ground. You should always sign players every summer to stop things going stale. Arteta & Rosicky's contracts had expired they should have been shown the door and better players bought to replace them.

  270. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:56 #75176

    Wheres Wally - Yes. its a reasonable view. If you recall, going back 6-7 years there were comments by Lady Nina at the time she bailed revealing that there were Boardroom schisms over Wengers tenure and had been for a while. That genie was shoved back in the bottle though afterwards once she had sold out. Youre right though. The Board there just has a nominal role. Kroenke doesn't need any of them. He has absolute power.

  271. Red Member

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:56 #75177

    mbg - I am afraid that you are wrong. Wenger is not solely to blame. How about Kroenke and Gazidis for starters? They are more than happy to have Wenger in charge. But ultimately the biggest problem are Arsenal supporters. The Emirates is sold out every match with each ticket costing ridiculous prices compared with the ambition of the club. But if people keep attending then why should anyone question Wenger? The Arsenal support gets the manager it deserves

  272. goonerjay

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:52 #75175

    Very well said. any realistic Arsenal fan will agree whole heartedly with this article. Yet again we have left ourselves needing monumental luck over the next 9 months to challenge in the league and with our resources that is frankly indefensible

  273. mbg

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:47 #75174

    Kev, the blame lies with one man, and one man only, one old man, wenger, no matter what his apologists say and excuses they make for him. And it's obvious your as angry as the rest of us, but not showing it as much, even though you have every right to do so. wenger out.

  274. chris dee

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:39 #75173

    What if players don't want to come to Arsenal? Benzema didn't, Cavani didn't.Make their clubs an offer they can't refuse?And get reluctant players like United got with De Maria? Pay Napoli the 67 million get out clause for Higuan,a good not great striker? We have all been caught up in the Sky,who can buy the most players,and who has spent the most money trap.So a manager who has bought 6,7,8,9 players has had a good window while poor old Arsene is a sucker. He must be a sucker because Talk S**t radio and Piers Morgan are taking the mick out of Arsene big time. I am as anxious for success as anyone and have often had a go at our manager but this latest unfounded critisism is way over the top.

  275. Red Member

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:37 #75172

    Ron hits the nail on the head. It has been an excellent transfer window. Supporters need to view things from the perspective of the club more. If you then don't like it then don't go the games! I have always boycotted the category A games because I feel they dont offer value for money if we are not actually trying to compete at the top level. This season I will probably only go to maybe 2-3 games as I really cant be bothered anymore. Sad that it has come to this really. I still care about the club but the belief that we will win something big has gone now. That 4-0 win in the cup final is probably as good as it will get in the next 20 years

  276. mbg

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:35 #75171

    Yes will and ambition and this old past it manager has neither (along with a lot of other things) and hasn't had them for a long time (but some fans have known that already)and because of him and his long failed philosophies this once great club hasn't got them any more either. wenger out.

  277. Johnny Lynch

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:30 #75170

    Don't care anymore ... 40 years a Gooner , but they can keep it . Mercenary players (Don't think I've disliked a player more than Ozil) and Wenger - The biggest embarrassment in World Football. And still you lot will line his pockets come Saturday Week.

  278. RedPig

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:27 #75168

    Well said Kevin as always. Sadly we ceased to be a true football club some time ago. Can anyone really say the club is giving 100% off the pitch in an attempt to be successful on it? Imagine a player giving the equivalent effort the club does. He would rightly be lambasted. Yet we are meant to get behind a club that clearly isn't really trying to challenge. We have not seriously challenged for the title once in the 11 years since we last won it but the same manager overseeing this is still in charge. It defies belief that this has been allowed to happen at what used to be England's finest club. Wenger is poison and he had poisoned the whole club with his self serving hypocrisy and arrogance. The whole place has the stench of Wenger's selfish and deluded idealism. The lack of pressure and accountability for a man being paid £8m a year is incredible. But who would bet against this serial underachiever getting another contract extension?

  279. David

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:27 #75167

    Ron - all true and well put. What happened over the past 72 hours was irrelevant - they were right not to pay £50 million for a 29 yr old or £65 million for Higuain. But they should ve sorted this out before the season started. Can't avoid the conclusion that it all comes down to Zippy in the end. But it is a staggering stat that arsenal is the only club in the top five European leagues to not buy an outfield player this summer.

  280. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:27 #75166

    @Ron I think some of the Board would like to shift Wenger. The problem is they have no power. There is a serious question to ask about Kroenke though. Is he using his stake and therefore the assets of Arsenal to finance deals elsewhere in his sports portfolio? He looks to be a front runner to take St Louis Rams to Los Angeles. That's costing serious money.

  281. San Elan

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:16 #75165

    What are the odds that we win the FA cup next season and Wenger's contract gets extended? Arsene De ja Wenger.

  282. Joe - Herts

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:13 #75164

    We are a business first, football club second. Finishing 4th is just as good as 1st for the board to secure Champions League riches and for less money. Ozil and Alexis were bought to keep us renewing our season tickets and ensure that 4th place trophy. Now that we have got that big media monkey off our back in securing back to back trophies and the fact that in reality, the only 2 teams on paper better than us being Man City and Chelsea, so again 4th place should be secured - do not expect any major future lay outs on players. I love my Arsenal and will continue to watch them. I do not believe in getting rid of Wenger as often it is better the devil you know - look at Man U for example, but I do not see us realistically challenging for the title. We have 15 goals a season strikers, to be the best, you need 25 goals a season.

  283. rellends

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:11 #75163

    i think this is the beginning of the end for wenger. this morning, i find myself in the position of agreeing with the likes of piers morgan and adrian durham. essentially, what our all powerful dictator is saying is that in 3 months of looking there is no player on planet football who would improve our squad - a squad which last season finished 12 points behind the premier league winners and got knocked out of the last 16 of the european cup at the first knockout hurdle to monaco. finally, he's made that rod for his back now and i can only imagine what the atmosphere at the grove will be like if we fail get anything other than 3 points against stoke. we have an unambitious owner, a chief executive who is nothing but a paper tiger and a manager who has become drunk with power and answerable to nobody. embarrassing.

  284. Ron

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:10 #75162

    Hi Kev - Nobody. The Clubs policy is to save money. Its objective is to finish no lower than 4th. They've taken a business decision that tells them that they have enough to achieve the stated aim. Its only been a 'lamentable' window from a fans perspective. From a business planning perspective its been an excellently conducted window. Arsene Wenger and the Board should be congratulated.

  285. Foresight.

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:10 #75161

    Do you think that Oxlade Chamberline is a better candidate for a central striker role than is Walcott .OC seems nearly as fast as W,has more courage & fight & a better shot? Why not ?

  286. AMG

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:06 #75160

    Well said, pretty much sums up my frustrations. It would be laughable if it was any other club. Giroud proven time and again he's not good enough to win a title, a faltering Coquelin, who will be overplayed and suspended habitually and what does the £8m - THAT'S 8 MILLION POUNDS PER ANNUM - man do? Sweet FA! Record income, stadium debt managed, no sign of falling ticket prices, no sign of any money being spent - Absolutely pathetic by anyone's standards! It's time to boycott games, this club is taking the pi55.

  287. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Sep 02, 2015, 11:05 #75159

    Phil Harris gave us the heads up a few weeks ago. He obviously got the vibes that Wenger was going to stick and got the £200 mill cash number out to try and force him to buy. He only bought bigger in the last two seasons because his job was under pressure. As the Gooner survey told us a big majority swept up in the euphoria of an FA Cup win were content with him this year. So he reverts to type. Job safe equals no transfers. You mention Bayern,Ed, I bet they and clubs like Barca have their targets for next year already lined up. That's why they consistently come out on top.

  288. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 02, 2015, 10:58 #75158

    Could not agree more and Ivan is looking a right chump! Arsene needs to be pressured and challenged. No one wants anyone optionated at the club as opinions are dangerous. Anyway a half sensible club would operate like Bayern and City and get a strong ex pro to review affairs like Patrick Vieira and beckenbauer