Arsenal lack finishing touch

Online Ed: Spirited ten man performance not enough v Chelsea



Arsenal lack finishing touch


I’ll start with some texts and emails reflecting the thoughts of others in the aftermath of the game…

Ian Henry: “No points from the Chelsea games and no goals scored is par for the course. The necessary dose of realism for the fans and pundits alike”

Rob Burne: “Please give it with two barrels in your editorial tomorrow. This predictable collapse is unacceptable and I hope you let rip on Wenger and his dictatorship”

Doktor Schneide: “So the FA Cup it is then. Provided of course that our luck continues in that competition”

A couple of hours before the game, it was relayed to me that Olivier Giroud might not start due to injury. I was relieved when the starting line-ups indicated he would. Alexis, as expected was on the bench, and Ozil returned to replace the Ox. Eden Hazard was not in Chelsea’s starting eleven, which I took as a positive.

The game started off as end to end stuff, far less cautious than it might have been were Jose Mourinho still in charge at the Bridge. Both sides had decent opportunities to score before Arsenal were reduced to ten men. Theo Walcott was a sentimental choice as captain, which at least saved Per Mertesacker the trouble of taking off the armband when he saw red.

My view at the time was that it was the correct decision. Sure, Costa is a cynical pro who will take advantage of any opportunity, but, even with his dramatic roll after contact, the BFG brought him down with an optimistic slide tackle that he felt he had to make to stop a goal. Of course, he should never have been exposed that way if the Arsenal midfield had been more adept at cutting out the supply, but as already stated, it was an open game with plenty of space on the pitch.

The crowd were mystified by the decision to sacrifice Giroud to get the complement of defenders on the pitch back to what was required. The manager later stated his thinking was that his team would be playing on the counter attack and that pace would be required. The counter argument would be that if, indeed, the Gunners were forced to defend for the most part, Giroud could offer an outlet with his ability to hold the ball up, and in addition, set pieces at either end would benefit from his height and power.

If Arsenal had squeezed a draw out of this match after the sending off, you could justify Wenger’s decision. However, it didn’t work. Once Chelsea scored a goal where several players failed to do their jobs properly, the visitors became the counter attacking team. And it wasn’t that long after the red card that Gus Hiddink’s side established their lead. A more confident Chelsea side might have gone for the jugular, but results are what matter for them at the moment, so they went with a ‘what we have we hold’ policy.

With an extra man on the field, this made life difficult for Arsenal, and yet, they did fashion enough chances to have leveled the game. Walcott missed from the angle, dragging it wide, and Flamini’s miss just before the half-time whistle was almost criminal. Credit to the number 20 for finding the space for the gilt edged chance, but at least force a save from there. Chelsea, inevitably, had their own chances, and once again Petr Cech kept his side in the game. ‘Match of the Day’ later revealed that Cesc Fabregas had a good call for a spot kick turned down when baulked by Koscielny.

It wasn’t too long into the second half before the introduction of Alexis, although it was a slight surprise to see the more industrious Joel Campbell make way for him. Arsenal pepped up, and the Chilean undoubtedly worried Chelsea. It was interesting to see a number of players, with options for passing more limited due to the reduced head count, take players on with their dribbling. It was a needs must situation, but it certainly had the visitors worried when it was happening in and around the area. There were other times, when it was done a little too deep, but on these occasions, the Gunners got away with the loss of possession.

In fairness, Arsenal played with spirit and intention. I cannot fault the attitude, but I can pick holes in the quality at times. The finishing was a tale of airshots and mishits. Not good enough in these games.

Certainly, the title race is not done. I did though, before the game, have the feeling that if Arsenal did not win this fixture, they would not be the chanpions in May. I hope that is wrong. Would Giroud remaining on the pitch have led to a goal? He has scored a lot more than Theo in recent matches. It’s one which we will never know. The manager explained his reasons for the decision to sub the number 12, but Chelsea scoring so soon afterwards was not part of the plan.

A little reminiscence. I recall Dermot Gallagher being very kind when Steve Bould, as last man, upended (I think) Gianluca Vialli at Highbury in the late 1990s. Bould should have seen red that day. Arsenal went on to win the game. I also recall for many years Arsenal having a hoodoo over Chelsea. The Chavs simply couldn’t beat Arsene Wenger’s team. Now the boot is on the other foot. Wenger’s record against the south west London outfit is pretty dire since 2004.

The Ox came on for Walcott towards the end. Given the circumstances of the game, I would have been tempted to throw new signing Elneny on. Just try something a bit unpredictable. An X-factor. You know what you will get with the Ox, and on recent displays, well, he is on a par with Theo. Wenger could have gone for broke and just swapped Elneny for Flamini instead and given Arsenal more attacking options. Sure it could have ended with a two or three goal defeat, but what difference would it have made? It seemed a go for broke scenario to me.

Two points out of nine. The two dropped at Anfield are starting to look more and more costly. Having said that, Arsenal’s remaining home fixtures are all, in theory, less challenging than this one (although Leicester might beg to differ). Certainly, they would now look to be must win games. Eight matches, 24 points, takes the Gunners total to 68. 82 would probably be needed to win the title. So 14 points from the following seven away matches…
Bournemouth
Man Utd
Spurs
Everton
West Ham
Sunderland
Man City

Four wins and two draws? Even better, five wins? Hmmm… Do you believe? Arsenal made life difficult for themselves in losing yesterday. They are still very much in the title race, but in my view, dependent on Manchester City not getting their act together. Leicester, I think, will fade, and I have a feeling that, as promising as Spurs are, they have been fortunate with injuries (which might continue) but more significant is that they are a very young team. My thought is that the bookies have it right and it is a two horse race. My feeling is that at the season’s end, the Gunners might look back on this period of three matches and regret that they did not gain three more points than they managed.

The kind of season it’s been, of course we cannot be certain of anything in any particular game. I would be very surprised if the champions ended up with fewer than 80 points, and I think 82 will be needed. Arsenal can do that, but there is not much room for more of the kind of defending seen against Liverpool and Chelsea. Francis Coquelin can’t come back soon enough. And in spite of the presence of Petr Cech in goal, defending does seem to be the side’s weak point just at the moment. Chelsea might have scored more yesterday, although having ten men is of course mitigation. There was no such excuse at Anfield.

Anyway, over a week for most of the players to take a breather and ready themselves for the visit of Southampton. Burnley next weekend will see the debut of Elneny which is something to look forward to. I am honestly far from traumatized at the loss yesterday. Unfortunately, I have become hardened to Arsenal doing this to its supporters. I don’t feel it as much as I once did. That is what experience does to you, I guess.

To end on an unfortunate note, a couple of The Gooner sellers suffered physical abuse from Chelsea supporters yesterday. There are many perfectly reasonable, civilized supporters of the Stamford Bridge club, but there are also a fair share of knuckleheads. I have to say that these incidents occurred in busy areas where one would expect some kind of a police presence. But I hardly saw any police yesterday. Is this a consequence of budget cuts or something? I believe the club do not pay for the policing outside the stadium. Anyway, as at the Lane, there remains a significant element of swamp life amongst the support at Chelsea. Sadly, there is something generally rotten about that club, and there has been ever since the National Front held sway on their terraces. And for those who might think otherwise, an unfortunate recent reminder. Titles you can buy, but class is something that doesn’t have a price tag.


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  1. JackL

    Jan 28, 2016, 22:03 #82638

    Talking of Leicester and the change in KO day, I read that AFC were to help those affected by travel problems due to the 3 weeks notice! I have spent £100 on train tickets for my family, asked AFC for help as I can't even change them as the earliest train that I can get on Sunday arrives at Kings X at 1150 (ko 12)-they said to contact the train operator-this situation stinks. What does everyone else think?

  2. Ron

    Jan 28, 2016, 13:12 #82619

    Yes OT Westie - i went in 67, 69 and 70. Recall the 1-0 loss that day. Cdt recall who scored.I think we drew 0-0 in 69. I was on the Stretford End and Law missed a sitter from 2 yards plus a Police horse up in the crowd was sick all over about a dozen Utd fans just in front of us. 70 was i think the day Marinello scored and we lost 2 or 3 - 1? Great days though. Ive seen Utd and Arse far more at OT down the years than at home.OT is a great stadium, has to be said. It was more raucous back in the day though as were all the stadium. I can recall on the day of the 69 game there that they were playing through the speakers commentaries of the May 68 EC win at Wembley. Strange how things stick in the memory isnt it. Stiles was a Keown. He could stick like a rash to another player. Dirtier than Keown though.

  3. Westlower

    Jan 28, 2016, 12:36 #82616

    I only saw Denis Law play in the games at Highbury and it was always THE game of the season regardless of the result. The Highbury crowd was at its most vocal whenever these two met. So you must have been at OT on 7TH October 1967 when MU won 1-0, John Aston scored the only goal before a crowd of 60,201. Teams: Stepney, Burns, Sadler, Dunne, Stiles, Crerand, Aston, Kidd, Charlton, Law, Best - Furnell, Storey, McNab, Neill, Ure, Simpson, McLintock, Armstrong, Sammels, Radford, Graham. What would Law be worth in today's inflated transfer market? I never did understand the fuss made about Nobby Stiles, one of the most overrated players in my lifetime. Specsavers was created because of him.

  4. Ron

    Jan 28, 2016, 12:09 #82614

    Ive never once used the word 'genius' to describe him Westie and nor would i use it to describe any footie boss. I think hes a brilliant footie Coach though, its true. Ive no affection for the bloke at all. I dont know him but what i do know is that there's always a bloke behind the media drivel thats spewed out about these guys. PS Met Denis Law recently and told him i saw him as a skinny kid get sent off with Ian Ure. He laughed and recalled it once i reminded him. There was too much trouble with refs to recall them all he laughed! Little Aguero reminds me of Law in so many ways and i told him, though Aguero is far stronger physically. Both absolutely brilliant.

  5. Westlower

    Jan 28, 2016, 11:37 #82609

    @Ron You've been telling me Maureen is a genius since you were seventeen. In all the time I've known you, I still don't know what you mean? Well, you wouldn't even know a diamond if you held it in your hand. The things you think are precious, I can't understand. Are you reelin' in the years? Can you play this Steely Dan classic on your guitar??

  6. Ron

    Jan 28, 2016, 11:21 #82607

    He might or might not be one of them Westie and if he is, hes very much in the right profession alongside many others of the same ilk isnt he. Be that as it may, he ll still be in a plum job soon and you ll still be having your perceptions of these people shaped by tabloids and Sky sports news. Chelsea are no great shakes either.

  7. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2016, 17:15 #82589

    @Ron I'm sure it hasn't passed your notice that CFC are on an unbeaten run of 8 games since the 'egotistical one' was sacked for being a disruptive dickhead.

  8. goonercolesyboy

    Jan 27, 2016, 17:04 #82587

    Supporting a ninth place team in the ninth tier, must be the aim of your game eh jeffjunior?

  9. mbg

    Jan 27, 2016, 13:56 #82575

    Exeter, so easily put down and rubbished, and don't forget a Fergie less United won a Trophy.

  10. mbg

    Jan 27, 2016, 13:45 #82573

    jj, see what I mean ? and he hasn't even won it yet.

  11. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 27, 2016, 13:36 #82570

    Ron : I put that together with you in mind - he is coming as sure as night follows day and you spotted it earlier than any of us. The sad thing is there are Gooners out there who would welcome him like a messiah, you could n't make it up.

  12. jjetplane

    Jan 27, 2016, 13:15 #82566

    Rembrandt, Picasso and Webster. The masters series part one free with today's Dail Heil! Introduced by Dr Westlower (UniofAKB) and concluded by known Historian Dr Perry.

  13. Ron

    Jan 27, 2016, 13:05 #82564

    SKG - So you're not thinking that 'Arsenes masterpiece' will be delicately touched up and treated like a rare Monet then? Prep yourself for that mission statement mate. You know my view on the jabbering gallic pundit's impending hero's entry.

  14. Ron

    Jan 27, 2016, 12:53 #82561

    JJ - It ll be a good job when Mourinho is back in a job. Westies missing him badly. He s itching to get his 'Maureen' corn dolly out again but cant, until he knows which colour kit to knit and dress it with. Brace yself JM, there's some serious pent up venom being stored up for you chap!

  15. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 27, 2016, 12:50 #82559

    Westlower: You are just trying to wind us up, stop it now or people will think you are serious about your views. United will have to take their medicine during this rebuilding period but make no mistake Arsenal will soon have to go through a complete top to bottom restructuring of the coaching and training methods to challenge again for the top honours. No top incoming coach will stand for the level of cowardice and lack of leadership in the players ranks that exists with this current squad. Unless of course the real fear for me will be after Arsene will be Thierry, then it will be business as usual and a 4th place mission statement!

  16. jjetplane

    Jan 27, 2016, 12:34 #82557

    RON love the Manson analogy and looking at WESTie'S last post (his best yet!) where he talks of an open mind and The Daily Mail in the same sentence. Best bit is the Webster masterpiece bit where you win nothing for a decade then grab two cups against relegation fodder. He must post this stuff from a room that would have Special Branch open mouthed with all the pics of LVG and JM all over the walls with darts in all of them. WESTIE do you honestly think Webster is as successful as Fergie was. Also must say your withering response to FJ is so funny because you know the Totts are finally getting it right and as for your smug dismissal of Leicester, you are blinkered once again. Both those teams have PL winning spines to them and those players are just getting better under fantastic coaches. Try reading something else other than closed mind tory rags or better still - go see a game on a Saturday afternoon - you cannot beat it or have you forgotten the aim of the game?

  17. jeff wright

    Jan 27, 2016, 11:18 #82545

    GR,I did not do that post( 87439) to which you refer and I note that it has been deleted .You really must try and pay more attention.Are Leicester doing better than us in the Calendar Year league as they are in the real one,and if so does this mean they are better than us >? Just asking like. As for lee kfc and his inane comments ,always delivered late at night , well as I have said before he is not the sharpest knife in the draw and his latest efforts only reinforces my views on that . You couldn't make it up.

  18. Ron

    Jan 27, 2016, 10:30 #82538

    An 'open mind' and the Daily Mail mentioned in the same context. We really have taken the biscuit now. You truly couldn't make that one up.

  19. Nicl

    Jan 27, 2016, 10:04 #82537

    I see Westflower concentrates on Manures failures since the departure of Ferguson citing how Moyes given.only a few months and LVG not quite two seasons have not conquered all, that is not so much said managers fault but the arrogance and impatience of the club and.its support, we have not won a title in almost TWELVE years !! Patience is not a quality either we supporters or the club lacks ! Ambition is surely what Wenger his disciples and our board DO lack however ! No other " big" club would have suffered such a lack of ambition the way we have, we have been served up a steady diet of lies and excuses till those of us who care are sick to the stomach them, a manager with the right players with the right attitude can work wonders as Ranieri has done wherever Leicester City eventually finish this season, with hardly a fraction.of the resources available to Wenger, if we do not win the title this term it will be down to one man only who with the collusion of his disciples and the board will have failed totally ! His time is up, his day long since gone, even if we do despite his stubbornness and rank idiocy manage to win it he should still have the decency to admit he got lucky and retire or resign !

  20. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 27, 2016, 9:56 #82536

    Westlower, so Arsenal are Wenger's creation and without it we'll be a shell? And that's 'retaining an open mind'?? But let's a do a comparison with Man U then: Ferguson left MUFC at the very top; AFC have had a decade of cuspness. A Fergie-less MUFC finished in the top 4 last season and are still battling for a top 4 place this year; That's what AFC under Wenger have been doing for the last decade.

  21. GoonerRon

    Jan 27, 2016, 9:48 #82535

    @ Bard - an interesting question. I think generally speaking the amount spent on player transfers and wages correlates to success (whether it be winning leagues, CL, cups, CL qualification) but there are anomalies such as Leicester this year, Atletico winning La Liga and getting to a CL final. Leicester have undoubtedly benefitted from some shrewd signings who have settled in quickly allied to a squad confident from their season end last year, a manager who may have been underestimated, the vast majority of key players staying fit and not playing too many fixtures. Of course it comes down to the manager for a large part, but who can explain Mourinho winning the title then pushing for relegation the next year, or Ranieri leading a title charge for Leicester having presided over the Faroe Islands beating his Greece side twice?

  22. GoonerRon

    Jan 27, 2016, 9:31 #82534

    @ Jeff - In post 87382 you said at this stage last season we had 42 points (2 less than this season) yet in post 87439 suddenly we had 5 more points at this stage last season. Also, we didn't make the QF of the CL last season so currently we're on par with last season in that competition. Re: the FA Cup, how can you say we did better last season when we're in the hat for the next round and haven't played the fixture yet?! And you have the temerity to call Wenger an illusionist...clearly irony isn't lost on you. Illogical, farcical and lacking facts - you couldn't make it up.

  23. Bard

    Jan 27, 2016, 9:18 #82533

    I am troubled and need help. Could one of the AKBs enlighten me. An argument that is frequently bandied around to justify Arsenal relative lack of success is the lack of money. Currently 2 of the wealthiest clubs Chelsea and Untd ( current outlay under LVG north of £250m) are languishing outside the top 4 and Leicester ( 2 books of Green Shield stamps) are top. How does that work ? A possible explanation is that money is less important than imagined and that its the manager that's the key. I know thats sacrilege for some but can someone come up with a better explanation.

  24. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2016, 8:51 #82532

    Do you hear that MU are thinking of rebranding as a rugby club? They like the idea of a sport where you can score loads of points by passing backwards. President Obama is in talks to persuade LVG to take charge of North Korea. He is convinced it will stop them attacking. Good read for those of you that retain an open mind in today's Daily Mail by Martin Samuel, under the heading 'Arsenal shouldn't scoff at United, it could happen to them too.' "Don't you think Arsenal will look at United's struggle to replace SAF & glimpse their future, one day without AW? How to fill that gigantic void? As United thrash around, lurching between extremes of style & personality, millions burned with no discernible improvement, one thought should terrify Arsenal more than any other. United didn't actually do much wrong. Not in their appointments, at least. Moyes was meant to be the next Ferguson. Experienced, dedicated, British, a believer in the promotion of young players. Given a bigger club, and a grander budget, many shared United's conviction that Moyes would step up. He didn't last a year. Plan B: LVG. A giant among coaches, formerly of Barcelona & Bayern Munich. He conquered Europe with a brilliant young Ajax team. Sure of himself and his philosophy, capable of attracting the biggest names. This was a banker. United's resources , Van Gael's football intellect, it couldn't fail. It has. And while SAF built the modern United, who can follow that? Arsenal is Wenger's masterpiece, too, and one day it will be left to his successor. What United have discovered, however, is that without its creator, all that remains is a shell."

  25. Gillespie

    Jan 27, 2016, 8:40 #82531

    We did not reach the quarter finals of the CL last season.

  26. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jan 27, 2016, 6:12 #82530

    Lee AFC - err what actually is your point? I'm struggling a bit

  27. Dartford gooner

    Jan 27, 2016, 0:15 #82529

    Arseneknewbest, I think I might have started the chant and it went like this. 5 foot 2 eyes of blue tina street will ------ you. Very funny and I think he let in a long range shot from Rix, all very funny

  28. Highbury Boy

    Jan 26, 2016, 23:34 #82528

    I recall shouting at The Clock End "Tina Tina" whenever Shilton touched the ball as the papers that morning were full of the story. We had an effect on him as he made a rare mistake which gave us the win.

  29. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 23:34 #82527

    We had five more points last season at this stage,plus we had just reached the quarters in the champions league,granted we were knocked out eventually yet only on goals scored.We also were doing better in both domestic cup competitions,that master of made up phoney-dom Wenger the illusionist has to go and he can take his bits on the side and AKB sheep with him.You couldn't make it up.

  30. lee afc

    Jan 26, 2016, 23:29 #82526

    Well well well. Jeff/mug's messiah has made it into the mickey mouse cup final. Should it have been the mighty Arsene Wenger to head into the final in the league cup....... his comments would have been "but it's only the league cup !!!!!". Twice as runny, eh always.

  31. mbg

    Jan 26, 2016, 23:28 #82525

    jw, wenger mustn't have many friends left when Hill wood is been wheeled out to stick up for and defend him. And wouldn't it be something if it only takes Klopp a matter of months (just like Moyes)to win his first trophy, after it has taken the best manager in the prem Lord wenger Ten years. That won't go down well at AKB central command, and it'll be another stat we'll not hear to much off.

  32. Ron

    Jan 26, 2016, 23:16 #82524

    Nick - Youre wasting your time. These AKB s are all on a spectrum of devotion to AW ranging from the sentimentally but reluctantly attached acrossm amd towards the mid centre region of the strongly blinkered an on towards the totally, utterly and hopelessly brainwashed lemmings. Those cuspomers at that end of the scale, marshaled by group leader Westlower have a loyalty that makes Charles Mansons disciples look positively open minded and free thinking by comparison.

  33. Nick

    Jan 26, 2016, 23:01 #82523

    Westflower, I hadn't forgotten who we'd beaten to reach the final I merely said we were lucky to win the final against Hull, we were also fortunate to win the semi vs Wigan, not that I'm complaining that we did win, I'm just pointing out the fine margins and paucity of our displays, yes we came back gallantry and just about deserved our triumph but if not for a mere few inches that game could have been taken to pens, what I'm trying to say is that since 2004 we have lost our way we no longer.play powerful, exiting forward football , we tip, tap and try to walk goals in, we are brittle defensively and where once going a goal behind held no real fear for us now when it happens who among us is confident we can retrieve the situation? Yes we have been hit hard AGAIN by injuries to key players, yet AGAIN we do not have quality cover, that is down to Wenger ! No one else just him, our tactical awareness or lack of it is down to him, to a large extent our fighting spirit or lack of it is also down to him , he is paid to manage and that does include MOTIVATING the players, our shortcomings were all predictable ones, as is how we choke when opportunities arise also predictable, Ferguson won the title in his last season with the worst manure side in a decade THAT is management !! What Wengers does in comparison is simply bloody ADMIN ! He was damm good now he is treading water and living off past glories, whether you like it or not age catches up with us all , times change, you either change with them or you sink without trace, maybe we will win the title this term but if we do it will be IN SPITE OF WENGER NOT BECAUSE OF HIM !

  34. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 22:44 #82522

    So Kloppy is in a cup final after a few weeks at Liverpool. Awful game tonight though and the Sky commentator got on my wick moaning on and on about Old Sparky's Stoke having a perfectly good off-side goal allowed to stand .Speaking of moaning I see that old Etonian Mr ( her Maj never did honor the duffer with a title) Hill-Wood was at it today having been wheeled out to leap to Arsene's defence with things starting to look grim again for him .According to Peter Costa is a disgrace the cretin deliberately ran into plodding Per to get him sent off ! You couldn't make it up. The next thing is we will have a petition to the Minister for sport demanding a replay be held! Would it make any difference though to result though is the question.Not if the last numerous ones are anything to go by.Best stick with what we have and pretend that we woz robbed.There will be much more moaning and excuses made up before the season is done,of that you can be sure.

  35. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 26, 2016, 21:25 #82521

    Ron, JW, John F - Nice one. I think if Shilton hadn't tried to quieten us all that day, the scrubber ditty would not have stuck in my mind. Pure gold that kind of thing. Just googled it and apparently it was Tina's hubby that saw the 125 times capped keeper's erse going ten to the dozen in the back of the car. Pure class! Finsbury Joe - put your mortgage on spurs winning the title mate - what could possibly go wrong after 55 years of waiting?

  36. John F

    Jan 26, 2016, 21:02 #82520

    AKB I went to that game I remember the North Bank singing Tina when he took the goal kicks.Do you remember the Tommy doc game "whos up Mary Brown"song.Shilts tells a great story about signing for Cloughie.He turned up at a meeting with Cloughie with his two reps.Cloughie kept them waiting for ages when he eventually invited them in Cloughie sent his two agents sprawling by tripping them up with his sqaush racquet. He then ignored them and Shilts went away with his tail between his legs.He later signed him over lunch without his agents.He also said that Cloughie told the team to have a few beers in the hotel on the day of their European cup tie with Liverpool which they did and got a result.What characters those two were.

  37. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2016, 20:57 #82519

    Dream on Finsbury Joe, as your team are no better than 4th favourites. Best price of 9/1 with Boylesports, who bet Citeh 21/20, AFC 7/4, Leicester 8/1, TH 9/1, MU 33/1, L'pool 80/1, CFC 250/1. WHam 500/1. You've lost Vertonghen for a lengthy period, so maybe your luck has started to run out?

  38. Finsbury Joe

    Jan 26, 2016, 19:48 #82518

    Spurs favourites for the title with most bookies.

  39. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 19:23 #82517

    mbg,the fact that Wenger started our Champions League games without Cech in goal ,suggests that he was still not convinced about him, even after signing him! Who will desperate Arsene play in goal on Saturday in front of our shaky defence>?

  40. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 19:13 #82516

    AKB ,these days the Shilts -Tina incident would be looked on as the norm ! Mind you Big Olly claiming he was giving the girls in his hotel room on match-nights Bible lessons was stretching things a bit .Arsene was apparently discussing philosophy at nights with his bit on the side - you couldn't make it up.

  41. Ron

    Jan 26, 2016, 19:08 #82515

    akb - might well have been that game mate. Recall the Hammers fans ( i think ) singing to him ' Worthys f----d yr misses' with gusto. After the rumours that Frank Worthington had been erm ahem .. over friendly with the then Mrs S (allegedly).

  42. mbg

    Jan 26, 2016, 19:05 #82514

    jw, and I read yesterday where he wasn't convinced and had to think about signing Cech, can you believe that ? silly question, of course we can, so it wasn't his idea in the first place then, and he was going to stick with what he had ? where would we be now ? what an egoistic arrogant old fraud. wenger out.

  43. Badarse

    Jan 26, 2016, 18:35 #82513

    AKB-Graham Norton did the same thing as Shilts and he turned into a fruit.Come come you darkies let us reason together,I have custard creams or peppermint spangles!

  44. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 26, 2016, 18:18 #82512

    JW - ha ha, our tawdry, time-atrophied minds think alike! I reckon your timing for the original Tina incident is more accurate but it obviously lingered throughout his visits to N5. Nevertheless, reassuring to know I wasn't completely imagining it, otherwise it would have been time for another expensive visit to the psychoanalyst.

  45. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 26, 2016, 18:07 #82511

    Ron - Apropos of nothing except your mention of him, Peter Shilton was a real eccentric wasn't he. As a youth, he was apparently always worried that he'd be too small to make the big time so his parents rigged up a hanging frame in their house from which the fledgling ingerland GK would strap himself in and hang upside down for hours on end in the hope that it'd make him taller - sounds to me like a recipe for turning into a fruit bat but it obviously didn't do him any harm (well not much anyway!). He and his family were also so committed to his making it as a pro that his mum would also wash and iron his boot laces when getting ready for a game (as well a dubbin'ing them thoroughly of course! - I used to hate that stuff). My favourite recollection of Shilton is when he played at THOF for Derby against us. Prior to the game, he'd been caught in fragrante delecto with a lady called Tina (in the back of a mini?). As he came out to face the north bank for the second half, it seemed as if the whole of the north bank started singing, "Tina is a scrubber" at him to the tune of the conga music. You'd think most pros of his standing would ignore it, not our Shilts; instead he put his gloved index finger to his lips as if to try and silence us. Guess what?, it didn't work and the whole place erupted. Anyone else remember that? I'm wondering if it could have been that game when they beat us towards the end of the 88/89 season and set all of our collys-a-wobbling. Fun times when the team largely did the business on the pitch and we could all relax and enjoy ourselves...

  46. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 18:06 #82510

    A good analogy there Ron and you have to wonder as you say if Cech is really as happy with Arsene as it is claimed.The move to us from Chelsea was all about him wanting to remain in London for family reasons .A lot of spin was put on the move however . Not least by Arsene himself natch. I remember that Shilton will be worth 12 points thingy at Forest .I can also recall married man Shilton getting caught on the job once doing some extra-curricular activities in his motor with a young girl and it was us next up at Highbury and the Northbank had fun chanting out her name.I can't recall though if it was Forest or Saints that Peter was with at the time - or the result of the game either!

  47. BRINGBACKDENE

    Jan 26, 2016, 17:44 #82509

    Re: WENGER MUST GO ASAP (MARCUS) 25 Jan 13.20pm. Sorry just caught up with your posting....I agree 1000% in what you say, why cannot more people see this glaring on-going problem.

  48. Ron

    Jan 26, 2016, 17:43 #82508

    I think it was Jim Furnell with his hat on that night at Sheff Wed Jeff.

  49. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 26, 2016, 17:42 #82507

    GR, again it's a matter of perspective whether what you offer is 'positive'. Some may view digging into the stats to claim 'improvement' when the big picture now tells us there hasn't been any after all, and very familiar issues are as clear this season as any of the last decade, as very typical of those who are happy for things to go on and on in the same fashion as long as the same manager is in situ. Which itself could be viewed as a rather grim, depressing and in fact negative desire.

  50. Ron

    Jan 26, 2016, 17:29 #82506

    I really cant see why this notion of getting 15 pts or whatever is being treated seriously lads. The saying emerged from way back when Brian Clough upon signing Peter Shilton for Forest declared that Shilts would 'be worth' 12 pts to his team that Season or words very close to that effect. As it was Forest won the title. So, his words might have meant that they won an extra few games to garner the points or alternatively saved Forest from losing games that they might have done without him.It was never conclusive but it certainly meant a lot to Forest. Bringing the theme forward, some pundit upon us signing PC (it might have been Savage) coined the extra points phrase and then later that esteemed academic of the Faculty of Morals and Ethics at the University of Chelsea, the much vaunted Professor Terry parroted the phrase in favour of his old mate Cech. Little thought has ever really been given to the phrase it seems to me, but its profound effect on Forest all of those years ago have seen it stand the test of time. All i can add is that had Cech not have been there we would have maybe lost a few more games than we have. In many ways old Pete is keeping good ole Arsenes arse off the fire for now seemingly, so im unsure whether we should be detesting him or celebrating him? He seems a really nice guy though. In fact when hes interviewed his history as a serial winner and eloquent though hard bitten professional stands out alarmingly in comparison to the eyes wide open Wally and many of the rest of the others on planet Arsene FC. Im guessing he must at times wonder whether he should have gone abroad. Seeing big Merter and eyes shut, swivel away from the ball Laurent, performing like a pair of cats on a hot tin roof every match must be losing him his hair compared to what hes been used too!

  51. GoonerRon

    Jan 26, 2016, 17:15 #82505

    @ Exeter - given the weight of opinion on this site, I do offer balance as probably 90% of posts on here (99.99999% in Jeff and mbg's case) highlight the negatives and I try to offer the other side of the coin. The difference is I have no problem calling out Wenger, the team etc if I think they've messed up, but in contrast the main anti-Wenger dissenters on here incredibly rarely give a shred of credit. @ Jeff - I said in a post on 24th Jan that "you're absolutely right (the league table doesn't lie) and currently on this season's form we're the third best team" - so hardly ignoring really. As for Cech being worth more points per season - I think people are taking it a bit literally. The fact is there are so many variables between games this season and previous seasons that he can't personally control - the opposition (three of which have been relegated so can't really compare them to their replacements this season, can we), our performance, refeering decisions etc. I think what people meant was if you theoretically put Cech in goal for us last season instead of Ches/Ospina he'd make comparatively fewer mistakes that lead to goals and save more chances that ended up being goals - and the net effect would be X points more.

  52. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 17:09 #82504

    Stan,as you say it is only speculation as to whether or not we would be worse off than last season same number games played without Cech. We can't be certain that Ospina would not have made some of the saves that Cech has.He did keep 14 clean sheets when in goal . Of course Cech is better than him but he has also made mistakes against WHU and Liverpool that cost us points and was hardly that great in the 5-0 drubbing away to Bayern Munich or the 4-0 thrashing at Southampton.These sort of unpleasant facts tend to get hair-brushed from history though. My view as I said in my last post ,that Wenger needed to go further than to just sign Cech ,Cech's experience is not going to make plodding Per faster or Wally into a top striker nor will it change the lack of tactical nous by Wenger or his bizarre approach to making substitutions that are made pre-planned and take no account of the situation that is prevalent in the game. Best to forget about Sheffield Wednesday - who was in goal that night>?

  53. Stan the Stat Man

    Jan 26, 2016, 16:43 #82503

    Well said Exeter. Lies, damned lies and statistics I think is the phrase which comes to mind. We can all produce stats to back up our point of view. I’ll have a go now. I think Jeff was trying to show that Cech wasn’t worth the 12-15pts a season that Terry (and others) told us he would be. Someone alluded to this earlier, but how many points would we have now if we had still had Szczesny in goal, or worse Almunia? Impossible to prove of course, but I’m fairly sure we’d all agree it would be less than what we’ve got now. How many less? Maybe 8 in my opinion, but it’s a pointless exercise trying to back it up so I won’t. The only stat which matters is the position in the table at the end of the season. Everything else is just conjecture and opinion. My opinion is we have a chance of finishing top – not as good a chance as we’d have had if we’d beaten Chelsea or Stoke or Liverpool (or all three), but a chance nevertheless. It doesn’t really matter how many points it will take to ensure we finish top either – I’d be impressed if anyone can remember off the top of their head (no googling) how many we won in 2002 and 1998, let alone further back. 2004 is fairly easy as everyone remembers it was 26, 12 and 0, so as long as you can do a bit of maths you’ll be able to work it out. The final table in 1989 is firmly engrained on my memory too.

  54. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 16:39 #82502

    GR, three of the teams we took points from last season were relegated - so it is an exercise in futility .As you are normally so quick to point out the league table ( the real one) doesn't lie - but now that this no longer supports your agenda you choose to ignore it and instead replace it with one that you have invented yourself ! You couldn't make it up. We lost 5 games last season and have lost 5 this season same games played and are just a couple of points better .So as I said earlier where are the 12 to 15 points more going to come from that the signing of Cech was supposed to make>? We have to be realistic here and accept that the Chelsea sides under Mourinho and other managers that Cech played in and who won League titles,the Champions League and Ufea Cup in recent seasons were far superior to our current one and that Arsene has not won a major trophy since the cows last came home. Wenger should have bought more new players last summer and off-loaded the deadwood such as Flam and Arteta,Wally and others .He instead chose to just sign Cech and award Arteta and Wally new contracts.You couldn't make it up. That's why Leicester are top of the league and City ,despite being way below their best before Xmas ,are ahead of us as well. We should doing what Chelsea did last term under the Portugeezer ,strolling toward a title win! Now what will Wenger do regarding Burnley on Saturday - because he could very easily cock things up again if he doesn't take them seriously. Good old Arsene.

  55. mbg

    Jan 26, 2016, 16:16 #82501

    Nick, couldn't have put it better myself, and if that isn't grounds (even quarter of it)for dismissal nothing is, and it would have happened long long ago at any other club in Europe no matter how big or small, and to any other manager, but not us, still we suffer, Sad.

  56. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 26, 2016, 16:09 #82500

    GoonerRon, Jeff's only doing what you're doing - pulling out stats to support his view. Your claim that you're 'balanced' and 'fair' when you do it whilst he and others are 'unfair' is ridiculous. Nearly everyone on here has an entrenched position they argue from, including yourself.

  57. Roy

    Jan 26, 2016, 15:56 #82499

    How did we get on against Leicester at their place and jeff how many games have we lost against the top 5.Get your spin doctoring in full swing.

  58. GoonerRon

    Jan 26, 2016, 15:44 #82498

    @ Jeff - well actually 16 of the 19 teams we've faced this year were the same as last year (84%) and I swapped out those relegated last season with those who were promoted in the equivalent position in the Championship. You call it futile (probably because it shows an improvement and therefore irks you as it doesn't suit your argument), others would call it a very fair comparison.

  59. Tony Evans

    Jan 26, 2016, 15:39 #82497

    Hi Ron - agree on Ranieri. Seems a very likable fella with a good football pedigree. Really got them fired up at the King Power hasn't he. Made some very astute signings too; where was Wenger's famed scouting network at the time! When we do make a rare signing we don't play them - what's that all about?

  60. Ron

    Jan 26, 2016, 15:33 #82496

    Hi Tony - yes mate. i see where you are on that. Ranieri was always a quality PL Coach though. Chelsea were even quite likeable in his time there too weren't they!! I couldn't quite get where the so called experts were at when they raised eyebrows at him joining Leics. I thought it was a coup for the Club. Always has seemed such a pleasant bloke too. Iron fist in a velvet glove perhaps?

  61. mbg

    Jan 26, 2016, 15:27 #82495

    80's gooner, MARCUS, it would be the stuff on nightmares alright but you know something ? maybe it's exactly what's needed, the best thing to ever happen, and then we'd get our gutting and read out, and our real Arsenal back with a real manager, players, men, traditions, etc, etc,

  62. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 15:24 #82494

    Gooner Ron , just a mistake I added up the home and away goals wrong !As for your same games played table we can't play all the same teams that we did last season so comparisons with our results in that regard are futile.We have had some better and some worse ones so far though.Chelsea took 4 points off us last season and it is 6 this time ,so nothing to shout about there and WHU have gained 3 and we still have to play the 'Ammers away.City we are 2 up but again we have to play them at Poundland.So all in all this same games played is an exercise in futility really.All that matters is the real table ands that tells us that there is no real improvement same games played on last season. And that is no lie. Hi Ron you could be right that the Barcelona tie will be closer than I suggested but I can trouble a head in the Nou Camp for us and another Bauyern Munich type massacre would not be any big shock.After all Southampton stuck 4 past us not long ago.That was another worse result in Gooner Ron's latest table that of same games played .Some you win ;some you lose.C'est la vie!

  63. mbg

    Jan 26, 2016, 15:14 #82493

    Nick T, great post, yes the holier than thou wengerites wouldn't be complaining if it was one of our own in the same circumstances, (but you see this makes their messiah look bad) they'd be defending him and backing him to the hilt, (like we all would) with, he was right, it was gamesmanship, and no doubt this gem, if it was the other team they'd do it. You couldn't make it up.

  64. Tony Evans

    Jan 26, 2016, 15:11 #82492

    Hi Ron - By shames I mean shaming the likes of Wenger and co at the so called top clubs. I reckon Leicester winning the title would be great and know what you mean when you say you are torn.

  65. Ron

    Jan 26, 2016, 14:59 #82491

    Hi Tony - Im a bit torn actually mate. I lived in Loughboro for quite a few yrs and went to Univ in Leicester plus ive been getting over to see them for the odd game in their recent Championship yrs so ive seen them grow under the present owners. Ive a few friends still in the area and its so refreshing to see how they enjoy footie. They've no expectations at all. I used to get down to Filbert St when at Uni when they had Laurie Cunningham and Co in the team etc playing UEFA Cup v Real M no less. The atmosphere at Leics has always been very good as it is at all of the central region Clubs but particularly in one Club Cities. So, as much as id like AFC to win it, despite all of the usual top clique of clubs being pretty awful really, i have to confess that if Leics win it i ll be pleased anyway. It think the PL cartel needs a big shake down to be honest and to be honest Leics winning it might well see the end of the Wenger reign and i believe AFC very badly need that as you know. I dont think Leics winning it shames the league though. I cant see a reason why they cant win it. They attack with venom, defend stoutly, great team spirit and camaraderie and excite the crowds. Its a lesson for such as us and Man C when we see so many players clearly going thro the motions and picking their games. like Ozil and Co. When it comes down to it i think the PL would benefit by a new kid on the block taking the title. Its become stale and stuck in its ways for me plus i think many people are fed up of the money laden Clubs and their whinging and whining now, of which AFC are one of them. Good point re Spurs. Good side and they've a Coach whos heading for bigger and brighter things i suspect. Again, i think AFC needs a resurgent Tottenham. It might just make them act in a way that makes us better on the field and not just off it?

  66. CT Gooner

    Jan 26, 2016, 14:55 #82490

    It's funny how the season has played out. Actually very similar to previous years, though the poor form of the competition has probably inflated the hopes of many AKBs, and may force us to accept the inevitable later in the season than normal. My point is that our form has not been good, our "beautiful football TM" has been AWOL (for years now IMO), and our annual collapse has begun. Unfortunately those that chose to accept this are chastised. We call it groundhog day,and this year it was a relatively poor Chelsea team at home.

  67. jjetplane

    Jan 26, 2016, 14:55 #82489

    Right there CORnisH on the trolling though the Baddie sherbert one was top draw ....

  68. Pete

    Jan 26, 2016, 14:51 #82488

    The real AKB is a far bigger arse than that.

  69. A Cornish Gooner

    Jan 26, 2016, 14:47 #82487

    Ron I don't think that was the real AKB. Seems there's a lot of trolling today (including Badarse)

  70. Tony Evans

    Jan 26, 2016, 14:43 #82486

    Question for Website Admin - just wondering what has happened to the 'sick bay' info. For the last week or so it has only been showing JW (can't go wrong with that one) but what's happened to all the rest? I know it usually makes for depressing reading but with rumours rife that one or two absentees may be coming back soon it would be good to see the up to date info again. Thanks.

  71. Pete

    Jan 26, 2016, 14:39 #82485

    All jeff wrights stats are made up so don't worry about if they are correct or not.Another WOB ploy is to concentrate wholly on one negative while completely ignoring a 100 positives.

  72. Tony Evans

    Jan 26, 2016, 14:14 #82484

    Ron - think you may be right in that we will avoid a cricket score against Barca. What a sad state of affairs it is though when this is the best the 6th richest club in the world can hope for! As for the Premiership the writing is always on the wall where Wenger is concerned and he will no doubt contrive to throw away yet another glorious opportunity for AFC to claim top spot in, arguably, the lowest standard league for years. Dare I say it but thank goodness City are in the frame otherwise I would have the Spuds down as favourites! They look far better balanced than us and for once seem to have all the pieces in place, from the manager down, to sustain a real challenge. Their only Achilles heal is a lack of cover for Kane. If, or should I say when, AFC drop out of contention I will be backing Leicester 100% - what a shaming of the so called 'best League in the world' that would be!

  73. GoonerRon

    Jan 26, 2016, 14:10 #82483

    @ Jeff - at this point last season we had conceded 24, not 14 as you state. I hope you're not making things up at accentuate your point. Tut tut. Also I the interests of balance - of the games played so far, in the equivalent club for club fixtures last year we had 5 points fewer than we have this season.

  74. Kevin Whitcher

    Jan 26, 2016, 13:54 #82482

    Ron I find Sanchez and Bellerin to be overrated really.

  75. Ron

    Jan 26, 2016, 13:47 #82481

    AKB - We' ll see wont we. As i see it they're the two truly marketable players at the Club. AFC are slightly over due a mega sale. Not since RVP have we had a player to attract a large fee. There will be a realisation that several new players are needed in the Summer. The Club wont fund it without sales. Moreover, these two are prime players for a lucrative move abroad. None of the rest of the squad are. If you truly think AFC will resist all comers when the cash is flashed for them, you must have been born yesterday. The only 'tool' in this conversation by the way is you. You're often told this by others ive noticed. I'm hesitant to use the word actually as tools have use and purpose.

  76. Arsene Knows Best

    Jan 26, 2016, 13:35 #82480

    Ron Bellerin and Sanchez are not going anywhere you tool

  77. Ron

    Jan 26, 2016, 13:29 #82479

    Oddly enough Jeff, though the thought of playing Barcelona conjures up an image of a record pasting of a gargantuan scoreline, i dont actually think it will pan out that way. Wenger sacrifices everything in pursuit of his delusional vision, inc PL games for that CL and has done for years. He ll do it again. They will fight and there will be a sizeable number of the players there who just freeze. There always are in big matches at Arsenal and it ll stay that way under Wenger, but they ll put enough in to keep the score respectable i think. If its a narrow loss at home, the 2nd leg wont be so bad. The danger lurks though if they draw at home 0-0. The 2nd leg might be a slaughtering of the lambs again over there if that happens. Whatever happens SK wont care. The moneys in the bag. I do dread the thought of Monreal, Merter and Koschielny though up against their attack. Good chance for Bellerin to cement his move there though and for Sanchez to shop window himself. Not sure either will be around at Arsenal for much longer.

  78. jjetplane

    Jan 26, 2016, 13:29 #82478

    Problem there is what football structure are you talking about? That Arsene FC have been in with a 'good shout' about zero times since the last the last PL won indicates a leaking roof metaphor drips away through Arsene FC in a sublimely torturous manner. Remember - it was accounts Arthur was here for in the first place and people also forget he likes basketball more than football and that is why he sticks with Per. The story of the ostrich and the giraffe - try to keep up ....

  79. Ladyboy

    Jan 26, 2016, 13:21 #82477

    I am organising a Wenger out march before the Southampton game and currently have three others up for it.Hoping to double that figure,anybody on here interested?

  80. julesd

    Jan 26, 2016, 13:16 #82476

    Common sense dictates that you wouldn't demolish a new stadium because it had a leaky roof, so why rip apart the footballing structure at Arsenal. Yes we lost to the current champions, who are unbeaten under Hiddink, playing with 10 men but we're still in with a good shout for the title.

  81. Badarse

    Jan 26, 2016, 13:03 #82475

    Arseneknewbest-Would you like to be my special friend?

  82. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 13:00 #82474

    Highbury,you have a point there regarding things could be worse but my one was about the alleged improvement regarding winning points that Cech was supposed to bring to the table. And as we are constantly reminded,well when we are on top of it that is, the table doesn't lie.

  83. Highbury Boy

    Jan 26, 2016, 12:54 #82473

    @JW-Think where we would be if we didn't have Cech.

  84. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 12:49 #82472

    Correction! It should read won 13 games drew 5.Lost 5 . It doesent get any better though. I agree with the views on Arsene being the dinosaur of modern football he really is stuck in a time-warp but he is at the right club where financial profits count to the major-shareholder Silent syrupy Stan and it looks good for another Champions League place for us next season - even if we are not Champions and have not been ones since 2004.That season was Wenger's peak one since then he has gone backwards and just trod water really with humiliating record defeats in the league and in Europe every season.His record against Chelsea has become a joke . I predict more woe to follow against the Barcelona strikers our hapless defence and Wenger's predictable out-dated tactics will be like manna from heaven to Messi ,Suarez and co.

  85. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 26, 2016, 12:30 #82471

    Nick - I agree with all of that. It could be argued that we've already been left behind because this team and its management structure is neither strong enough nor sufficiently invested in to compete with our peers. City are favoured over us at this point for top spot (and rightly so) for two reasons - they've invested heavily (they effectively have a squad comprising two capable teams), but they also have a recent legacy of winning league titles meaning that their players know what will be required over the next few months. From our perspective, Weng and Bould are the only contact with sides that won the title for AFC, and they're clueless and unable to adapt/see alternatives. Weng inherited a side with an outstanding spine in both figurative respects - we were great through the middle and we stood up and fought the opposition when that kind of approach was necessary. That was all a generation ago, and weng is now hopelessly out of touch.

  86. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 12:29 #82470

    Having done another quick check Cech I still can't see where the 12-15 points are going to come from that he was supposed to win us. A reality check shows that after 23 games played last season we had won 12 games ,drew 6 and lost 5 scored 39 goals conceded 14 : Points won 42 .... and were in 3rd place in the table. Way behind Chelsea who went on to easily win the league..... At this same time now we have won 7 games ,drew 5 and lost 5 - points won 44 and are in 3rd place again in the table this time behind mighty Leicester - who at this stage last term were bottom of the table and fighting relegation. So no improvement at all from us ,just a deterioration by Chelsea and City have struggled for consistency with key players absent for awhile and their talisman Kompany missing but even so the Poundland outfit are still a point ahead of us and are starting to improve they won 8 points this January from 12 while we only managed to win 5.We now face a set of tough away games while City have played their ones. In Europe no sign there either of any improvement and it's Barcelona next up for Arsene the would be le emperor more like king Canute at least he knew he could not hold back the sea. I can't wait to read Graham's next Circular explaining how Arsene is actually taking us onward to glory ! You couldn't make it up.

  87. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2016, 12:24 #82469

    @TJ What would George Bernard Shaw make of all the changes at Villa, Man U, L'pool, Portsmouth, Leeds, Forest, Derby, Charlton, Blackburn, Bolton, Birmingham, QPR, Ipswich, Sheffield Wed/United, Boro, Burnley, Hull, Wigan, Coventry, Cardiff, Wolves, PNE, Huddersfield, Bristol City, Fulham, Brighton etc? All dallied with the big boys in their time. @Nick, You've conveniently forgot that we beat Spurs, Liverpool & Everton to reach the Cup Final v Hull & we DID win it after being 0-2. @Bard They've all got in infamy? Nobody does losing a game like Gooners!

  88. jjetplane

    Jan 26, 2016, 12:20 #82468

    The worse thing was that Webster was ever given such a position at the club in thew first place. there is a story that he came for an interview for the accounts department but Webster of course walked into the wrong interview room where they were looking for a dietitian. The rest has they say has been an immeasurably sinking timeline of a history from Ray Parlour's first bottle of water to today's sterility which includes a buy back clause in the Ozil transfer. So scenarios are Fabregas has buy back and goes to Chelski and Ozil (who is getting bored again) may well be back on the bench at RM unless he can get the assists for Bale who usually does this himself. On a note of interest if JM goes to OT will that mean Arthur will never beat ManU again? Happy days .... right on BARD about the mighty captain (not Wally!) being a giant in the muzak world - another ahead of his time - bit like Pires at AV ... lop! Talking of captains will ARSENE FC have have a captain Sensible? Well I'll be Damned! .... Slight reiteration in that we would have won those doubles without Wenger and indeed would have won much more - FACT!

  89. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jan 26, 2016, 12:20 #82467

    From my perspective Arsenal v Chelsea is like a rerun of. GG Arsenal side against say a Spurs of the same era with us playing the part of Spurs. Leaving Costa aside for the minute we can play all the pretty play in the world but against a defensively cohesive team we are shot. Add Flamster deciding not to head the ball and we are shot. If Wenger really believes the players can sort out their issues with minimum interference and if as often quoted he is not a shouter. Then why the hell does he not have a core of tough guys in the team. To take almost 10 years to find a character like Cech is criminal. Must be Wenger failing to address his own weakness that ultimately hinders our development. All the shouting from Hillwood re Costa still not address this

  90. Badarse

    Jan 26, 2016, 11:25 #82466

    Bard-Stop being so glum chum.Come share one of my sherbet lemons.

  91. Nick

    Jan 26, 2016, 11:12 #82465

    Wenger was a damm good manager when he first arrived, hr did however have the good fortune to inherit a side with a brilliant spine from back to front, he merely needed to fine tune it, since the invincible season however he has stagnated, his ideas are no longer fresh and he perpetually makes the same mistakes, the money situation which we were told would not be a factor but in fact was has long since ceased to be a problem, our scouting system has become a problem however, our youth structure has not produced nearly enough talent for our first team in recent years either, Wenger apparently overseas all these things, so he has to take responsibility. Lets face it our cup win vs Hull was fortunate we could easily have been 3-0 down before we started to play even after overhauling them we nearly conceded again at the death, we were worthy winners last year but lets be honest the opposition was dire, this season we have had several opportunities to consolidate at the top of the league and have thrown every one away, the summer window was a farce, this window has not been properly utilized either ALL down to Wenger, its my view that whatever happens from now till seasons end Wenger should resign , its long past time we had a fresh approach at the club , new ideas , and an energizing presence, no one likes change but football as in life is subject to it, and if you do not change with the times you will be doomed to be left behind.

  92. Die

    Jan 26, 2016, 10:03 #82464

    I hope all wobs die and their kids get cancer

  93. Bard

    Jan 26, 2016, 9:51 #82463

    Great Beefheart post JJ. Many happy memories of seeing them. I think everyone needs to calm down. We are nailed on for 4th, which as we all know is a trophy. We then need to add a couple in the summer and away we go. The only black cloud is the fear that the Spuds might finish above us but that will only happen if the refs continue to punish us with red cards and blatant bias against us. As Westie says there is a conspiracy out there.

  94. TJ

    Jan 26, 2016, 9:51 #82462

    WIth Coquelin in the team we concede 0.8 goals per game and 10 shots per game, without him we concede 1.3 goals per game and 15 shots! The DM slot is the lynchpin of the defensive system and it's a very physically demanding position so injuries happen. To have Flamini as 'back up' simply isn't good enough. That said, Wenger's teams can only win trophies when they have enough world beaters to overcome his idiotic philosophy- the refusal to study the opposition (put Mertesacker in a higher press team while Chelsea counterattack with the pacy Costa- brilliant!). His refusal play balanced football (how many years was it without a DM anyway?). His refusal to remedy squad deficiencies with the appropriate purchases. As George Bernard Shaw said "progress can only come from change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything". I said last season when we lost to Chelsea that he had taken as us far as he could- we haven't improved at all since then. This league is atrociously weak this year but good old Wengerball will prevent us from clinching what should be an easy title win.

  95. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Jan 26, 2016, 9:41 #82461

    Great articles in the daily mail and the sun yesterday saying that Wenger must go if Leicester city or God forbid Tottenham win the league!!! HE HAS NO MORE EXCUSES!! That's why he is getting stuck in more into the players on the sidelines looool!! Excuses running out

  96. Ron

    Jan 26, 2016, 9:19 #82460

    Hopefully Wenger tears his acl

  97. Badarse

    Jan 26, 2016, 9:16 #82459

    jeff-Muslims have feelings to chum.

  98. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2016, 9:06 #82458

    **** off you muslim scum.

  99. adam

    Jan 26, 2016, 8:58 #82457

    If Wenger lets Pellegrini beat him, especially when City cant be bothered to play for their dead man walking manager, and with Kompany perennially injured, then Wenger truly is a loser. If he cant win the league in these conditions, then the stars need alignment for Wenger to win the league. I cannot respect him as manager, if he doesn't win the league.

  100. GoonerRon

    Jan 26, 2016, 8:54 #82456

    @ Ron - I don't find mbg' comments disconcerting at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I choose to support the team and where possible focus on the positive whilst critiquing where we could and should do better. When people can't find one single positive about anything to do with the club it highlights a lack of balance, and therefore lacks credibility.

  101. yousuf

    Jan 26, 2016, 8:39 #82455

    Wenger knows what he is doing how dare you question him

  102. james

    Jan 26, 2016, 8:25 #82454

    Arsene is the greatest arsenal manager ever. how dare you critisce him

  103. muhamed

    Jan 26, 2016, 8:11 #82453

    One loss and haters are here. **** off u clouwns

  104. Arsene In

    Jan 26, 2016, 7:50 #82452

    Wenger is the best you clowns

  105. Wolfgang

    Jan 26, 2016, 7:37 #82451

    Against Chelsea the gunners were very predictable. With Chelsea guarding goal like Fort Knox,the gunners still try to thread the ball through. They were lucky the gunners calvary got back intime quickly to foil Chelsea's attack. They wont be so lucky the next time.Koeman will try to twist the knife in the next time the gunners meet Saints. So don't surprised the gunners were to lose again. Then what?I fht egunners cant win the epl its inevitable Wenger has t go. I say thanks for the memories and for me,Pires ,my favourite player.

  106. danny

    Jan 26, 2016, 7:25 #82450

    With an Fa cup weekend coming up why didnt dopey Wenger start Sanchez.Then give him a two week break.When i saw Wally Walnutt leading the team out i thought we had made the mascot the captain after 10 years at the club i still dont know what Walnutt has other than pace.The time has come Mert to be replaced by Gabriel .This has been the worst premiership ever yet we are 3rd. I see a new contract for Wenger zzzzzzzzzz

  107. Aresne

    Jan 26, 2016, 6:44 #82449

    Arsene haters can all **** off. Arsene is the best manager in ze world.

  108. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Jan 26, 2016, 0:17 #82448

    So let me ask it again folks!! If Leicester city or God forbid Tottenham win the league. WHAT WILL BE THE EXCUSE(S)?? Surely that alone would break the camels back?? Would you think he deserves a two year extension if that where to happen?? Honest and fair question to the FANGIRLS!!

  109. Nick T

    Jan 25, 2016, 23:42 #82447

    Got to say I find it almost embarrassing the way people are banging on about the Costa/Mertsacker incident. In the first game he overstepped the mark big time and the ref should ultimatley take the blame for handling the whole situation so badly but yesterday what exactly did he do sooo wrong?? He turned the game then got the goal and the chavs twat us again!! Job done Id say...perhaps if we didnt play a centre half with the pace of a darts pro things like that wouldnt happen! Finally for all these holier than thou fans I have a question...if the titles on the line when we go to City and Walcott/Kompany get involved in a similair incident which sees Kompany see red will you be complaining??..thought not!! We're complete bottlejobs end of!

  110. Ron

    Jan 25, 2016, 23:35 #82446

    GR - I think in truth quite a few of the AW/this regimes backers on here find MGB s comments a little disconcerting due only to him hitting some uncomfortable spots right on the head. There are those of you who make a case to defend the regime but there are many who defend the indefensible facets of the regime i.e Arsene FC (who in my view most of you are paid up sycophantic members) and its the latter who wriggle and squirm at his posts, understandably so in my view.

  111. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 23:34 #82445

    Exeter, never seen the need to do it, just better to let them rave away to their hearts content, obviously what I had to say got to them, so job done, and it means their not spouting rubbish to someone else.

  112. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 23:22 #82444

    Paddy, thanks for counting, and respect, if only this shower and their old past it manager had the same mental strength as us Oirish we'd have it won by now.

  113. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 22:55 #82443

    Bob, 87304, good post, and dead right, I was shot down for suggesting something very similar a few days ago (how time flies) with the quip the table doesn't lie. You couldn't make it up.

  114. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 25, 2016, 22:48 #82442

    Captain Beefheart - I'm on tenterhooks waiting for the next installment. I assume that Marc Almond and a pint glass will also feature at some point.

  115. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 22:33 #82441

    N4, yes, it really is that simple it really is, kick his arse out now and get anyone in, anyone, (even to the end of the season)and the prem is ours.

  116. GoonerRon

    Jan 25, 2016, 22:32 #82440

    @ Exeter - you know what, I think you're right - I do find Mug (sorry, mbg) fascinating. I literally am amazed how no matter whether we win, lose or draw he can spout the same posts over and over again. I'm also fascinated how someone who is supposed to be an Arsenal supporter can get so giddy when we lose. Like you say, fascinated.

  117. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 22:22 #82439

    Ron, 87300, great post, as I said earlier, this team need gutting they really do, (and we've been saying it for years now but it's relevant even more so now) from wenger right down, and anyone and I mean anyone, who can't see it really are deluded and blind, they really are.

  118. MUG

    Jan 25, 2016, 22:09 #82438

    I so much want to speak to m b g but my spellchecker keeps spelling MUG. How apt. Just glad his name isn't CLINT.

  119. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 21:48 #82437

    John F, and that's not stats you'll hear the wengerites spouting to often, bad for their messiah's ego and image you know.

  120. HIghbury Boy

    Jan 25, 2016, 21:10 #82436

    Did anyone see Arsenal loanee Sanogo score goals for Ajax? Me neither.

  121. HowardL

    Jan 25, 2016, 21:08 #82435

    Definite red card. Mertesacker far too slow now for premier league. No need to substitute so quickly and Giroud the wrong one to go. Walcott captain - huh? Being there 10 years is loyalty but not leadership. And saying Costa got Per sent off is arrogant nonsense. Wenger out-thought again. With Mangers like Klopp and Guardiola out there it's really time for AW to go.

  122. Mark From Aylesbury

    Jan 25, 2016, 20:39 #82434

    Paul Ferris - wrong site old chap you need your combat 18 websites. Featuring how to block entry to tubes. Take Jamerson with you please.

  123. Paul Ferris

    Jan 25, 2016, 20:19 #82433

    I am a chelsea fan and I would just like to say how pleasurable it was on sunday after the routine win against the 'title contenders'. It is getting rather predictable but that doesn't take anything away from the thrill of beating you! And as to a 'rotten club', we realise that we are not going to be a club that wins the title playing like Barcelona week in week out (although we are capable of playing some brilliant football). Good football will only get you so far in the Premier League and we as a club realise that. Its all good playing beautifully but it would be nice to have something significant to show for it (2 F.A. Cups......phahaha). Good luck with your trophyless future.

  124. Westlower

    Jan 25, 2016, 20:14 #82432

    Did anyone see Arsenal loanee Jon Toral's brilliant volley in scoring for Birmingham v Ipswich?

  125. jjetplane

    Jan 25, 2016, 19:47 #82431

    Arsenal are still up for The Trout Mask Replica Cup. Will The Spotlight Kid keep the Captain's band? They looked Safe as Milk last week but Webster has put pay to that Unconditional Guarantee. No Beef, no Heart.

  126. John F

    Jan 25, 2016, 19:38 #82430

    We really should of kept Afobe who scored again for the Cherries on Saturday.He is strong and direct and would have been included in our home grown numbers.A much cheaper and better option then Wally who only seems to play well when his contract is up for discussion.

  127. Hiccup

    Jan 25, 2016, 19:36 #82429

    Thankfully Per will be available for the Saints game, so Wenger will be able to keep picking his best defence. Did anyone else notice how this fastest defence in football history really clicked yesterday as Monreal closed down the cross for their goal in double quick time, and the quick reaction time of our 3 versus 1 as the cross came in for the goal. It all bodes well for when the penny finally drops with Wenger that Mert just isn't up to it.

  128. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 25, 2016, 19:36 #82428

    Rather than find him boring as Paddy thinks, it seems to me that some of the hardcore AKBs find mbg fascinating. Previously it was goonercolesyboy that was obsessed with him, now GoonerRon seems to have taken over the stalking. Sadly mgb never reciprocates their attentiveness.

  129. Bard

    Jan 25, 2016, 19:24 #82427

    Capt Beefheart. Now youre talking. What a band.

  130. Captain Beefheart

    Jan 25, 2016, 19:06 #82426

    Colesore, Badarse and the freak brothers are in a room. On the wall is an image of a male swimwear model in pose. The head of the model has been replaced with an image of Wenger. In the middle of the group is s digestive biscuit. All 4 of them have their pants round their ankles. To be continued

  131. Highbury Boy

    Jan 25, 2016, 19:00 #82425

    Arseneknewbest; ah yes thanks. I had forgotten about the shirt incident.

  132. Arseneknewbest

    Jan 25, 2016, 18:35 #82424

    Highbury Boy - Following Spain's victory in the WC,there was a shin-dig of some kind at which he was on a stage wearing a barca jersey. Yes really! This while he was very much still on the Arsenal's books and being paid by them. He also gave the lamest of excuses saying that Pepe Reina forced it (the shirt) onto him (imagine that!). It's not dissimilar to the occasion when P Ince was still a hammers player and was photoed in a manure jersey. Needless to say, ince probably remains the Irons' most hated ex-player. Both cases are a form of footie treachery I suppose. I loathe dirty, diving Barca because that would have been staged managed with their say so in order to reduce his price and effectively seal the deal. A nasty sh*tty trick and Fabregas colluded in it. It meant a rapid conversion from hero to zero for many of us. On another point, Eddie Jones has just named Dylan Hartley as England Rugby captain. A hard, nasty player with a reputation as a committed and win at all costs operator. Contrasts a little with our latest captain no? But of course, Eddie Jones is ten times a better manager than Weng.

  133. Ted

    Jan 25, 2016, 18:34 #82423

    Lots of knee-jerking and people losing their heads.We still look a couple of classes ahead of the rest of the muppets.Wenger still miles better than the rest.Klopp a flop/Mourinho would have taken chavs to the championship.Pochatino boring closing down pedestrian game.Van Gaal long ball 0-0 merchant,Ranieri-pizza loving lucky fool who'll be found out soon.Wenger streets ahead of the rest with world class players all coming back.

  134. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 18:27 #82422

    Tony Evans, yes pathetic wasn't it, standing there stuttering trying to blame others for his failings, then trying to back track a bit but still holding Costa responsible, a pathetic and embarrassing sight indeed.

  135. Highbury Boy

    Jan 25, 2016, 18:03 #82421

    I have one serious question regarding Fabregas which I should be grateful if anyone knows the answer. Why is he booed by Arsenal fans? I know some say it's because "of the way" he left but others like Petit, Overmans, Flamini,Vieira and Henry all connived for a move ,some trying season after season and are welcomed back at Arsenal as heroes. He was returning to his Catalan club. Arsenal had first option on his return,he apparently wanted to return to London and Arsenal but Arsene refused. He played a big part in winning Chelsea the PL last season and yesterday he completely dominated the match from the first minute, spraying passes around just like he used to do for us ever since he first came into the side as probably the best ever teenager to play for us. Sad to see many Gooners boo him,though no-one near me did. Save the booing for Costa.

  136. Alsace

    Jan 25, 2016, 18:02 #82420

    1. Meetesacker is slow. 2. Clever midfield players and fast runners can "un zip" him. 3. Theo is a luxury we cannot afford. 4. Fabregas is gifted. 5. We play a ridiculously high line. 6. We cannot cross the ball. 7. Others cross well. 8. Diego Costa is a gifted striker. 9. It is better to let an opponent score than get sent off. 10.When you go down to ten men, take your weakest least important player off if you have to replace the player sent off. 11. If you have to reinforce a 10 man team with energy, don't take your toughest attacker off, take your weakest. 12. Giroud wins the ball and is the only finisher in the team. When you are down to 10 men, you absolutely do not take him off. ALL THESE FACTS are well known to the manager. Per's mistake was an error of his judgment , but everything else which led to our defeat yesterday was well known to the manager and he is directly causally responsible for the defeat. The team did amazingly well to cope with his ludicrous system, and his serial substitute errors. He was given every possible advantage to win this vital game and he screwed it up royally -again. Are the board lining up Guardiola for the end of the season? No they want to offer the specialist in failure a new contract.

  137. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 17:59 #82419

    A lot of talk about fight and determination from the usual suspects of course, we even had their messiah saying (in his vain attempt to excuse the latest embarrasment) normally we'd lose a game like that 3 or 4 nil, and what exactly does that tell us Sherlock, you couldn't make it up, it's not right laughing, but in their sad attempts TOF and his wengerites conveniently forgot to mention that Chelsea weren't too bothered in scoring again, and took their foot of the gas and defended well and if they would have went for the jugular it could well have been one of those results OGL mentioned, maybe more, but it wouldn't have mattered or bothered TOF and his flock as he and them are well used to those score lines.

  138. Charles

    Jan 25, 2016, 17:52 #82418

    Did we get an explanation why Walcott was captain? No serious top football team would do it solely as a gesture to mark 10 years at the club.

  139. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 17:26 #82417

    Clive the gooner, good description, one used many many times under wenger, it was a shambles alright and the sight of wally at the front leading them out set the tone. Then you just had to look at the Arsenal players faces in the tunnel and coming on to the pitch you just knew they weren't up to it and hadn't it in them.

  140. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 17:13 #82416

    Sorry forgot to add in my last post no doubt this means the AKB wengerites will now make journo Steven Howard public enemy number one, and all for (just like all the others)telling the truth.

  141. GoonerRon

    Jan 25, 2016, 17:13 #82415

    @ mbg - I liked this excerpt from an article on the BBC yesterday (by an ex-Spuds no less): "The way they have responded in tough situations, to draw at Anfield and the Britannia Stadium - and fight with 10 men against Chelsea - is a sign they have the mental strength to be champions." - I'd take that from an ex-pro over a tabloid journalist. FYI - the autocorrection on my iPad changes 'mbg' to 'mug'. Made me laugh, although probably not as much as you laughed when we lost yesterday.

  142. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 16:51 #82413

    An excellent article in the Sun today from Steven Howard well worth a read, indeed essential reading for some, it starts off, This ladies and gentlemen, is why Arsenal will not win the title this season. This, in fact is the reason why Arsenal will NEVER the title under wenger. He goes on to say when the going gets tough the tough get going, Arsenal (under this old fraud, that's mine)of course just give up the ghost. No character no fight no bottle, just like their old past it manager (that's mine again)wenger out. well worth a read and all true.

  143. Mick Jones

    Jan 25, 2016, 16:41 #82412

    You'll never get the cowardly Badarse call out rascism. Though in theory he works on some plain of higher ethics and morals. If Jeff hadn't raised this and if he hadn't already been called out for his lack of judgement you would probably have Brian... Whoops I mean Badarse telling Jamerson how funny he is whilst indulging in some broke back mountain tough guy romance with Colesaw. Loons the whole lot of them

  144. Ron

    Jan 25, 2016, 16:39 #82411

    hey Red Mist, thats Koschielys party piece that yr niggling at there i.e. turning his face from the ball to avoid being hit in it. Hes perfected it so well, he had Monreal practising it a few times yesterday and just as well too bless him. We ve never had such a crew of dainty boys as we ve had this last decade. Im not sure whether Monreal has mastered closing his eyes at the same time as well as LK though. The cuspomers love it and the lads hairstylists love it even more.

  145. jeff wright

    Jan 25, 2016, 16:32 #82410

    Mick,Pete aka Jamerson and a hundred other silly names forecast us to beat Chelsea on here last week 3-0 .He's at making racist remarks again as well.Will Badarse reprimand him as he has done others?

  146. Nick

    Jan 25, 2016, 16:32 #82409

    I stated on here a few weeks back that the games vs Liverpool, Stoke and the chavs would indicate if we really had what it took to win the title, we needed a minimum five points from those matches, we got TWO, so seven points dropped that is NOT title winning form, its an indictment of the league that we are still in with a shout despite this abysmal form, tellingly of the top four our gd is the worst, we needed another striker, we needed another dm BEFORE the season started, we also need a quality center back, Mertersakers time has been and gone his snail pace is a liability, we need our injured players back sooner than later that's our only hope because the transfer business was done when we signed El Neny , our manager is a stubborn old fool who tries endlessly to prove he is right and absolutely everyone else is wrong , sadly I can see this season ending potless and the yank rewarding Wenger with another contract, while putting ticket,membership and merchandise prices up yet again, all this has been avoidable but Wenger thinks he is god and can do no wrong, forget Guardiola coming to save us, the best we can hope for is Wenger moves upstairs and takes on someone like Eddie Howe, I fear Wenger would interfere constantly but its the best we can hope for .

  147. Mick Jones

    Jan 25, 2016, 16:28 #82408

    Badarse, Colesore, Jamerson , Pete (freak) my question. Do Wengers balls taste salty or sweet?

  148. Westlower

    Jan 25, 2016, 16:26 #82407

    The moral of the story is that it's fine and dandy giving your all when up the creek without a paddle but don't drop yourselves in the sh*t in the first place. For me, Campbell's air kick in the 2nd minute set the tone for the next miserable 16 minutes. How can Chelsea ALWAYS avoid red cards in these fixtures when they've got the ankle tappers and we've got the choir boys?

  149. Rocky RIP

    Jan 25, 2016, 16:19 #82406

    @ Clive the Gooner - totally agree about giving Walcott the armband. It set a very bad tone right from the off. He's been poor recently, so reward him with the armband? This was not a match for nice guys leading by example. Chelsea were there for the absolute taking and so was first place in the table. We started the game with no bite and Ramsey and Flamini had off days and were too lax in midfield. Fabregas just drifted about unshackled. Man U's successful sides always had a bit of spite about them, as did most of ours. Winners go for the jugular when opportunities arise and don't allow standards to drop in other players. Sorry but Theo is too nice and not a born winner. I know it was merely a gesture, but when I saw him at the front of the line my heart sank.

  150. Red mist

    Jan 25, 2016, 16:15 #82405

    Mert looking the other way as he tries to tackle ! Haha when they are not all turning there backs on the ball, which kids get derided for doing you get this ! It is pure comedy unfortunately the jokes on us.

  151. Ron

    Jan 25, 2016, 16:08 #82404

    CG - All very true, but the majority who attend there now share Westlowers views. They turn up like quiet lemmings to a cliff and its got worse this last 3 years. A veritable bowl of satisfied customers thrilled by the 'entertainment' and food. Are they all wrong or do they really see some thing in this putrid regime that we dont?

  152. GoonerRon

    Jan 25, 2016, 16:00 #82403

    @ AJH - We've taken 2/9 points on two occasions this season (Nov and Jan), Leicester have once (Dec/Jan), Spuds have twice (2/9 and 3/12 in August and 2/9 in Nov/Dec) and Citeh have taken 3/9 (Sept) and 4/12, 7/18 (Nov/Dec) - so of all the potential title winners everyone has experienced a similar spell at one point or another. Just shows that it can and does happen to all teams.

  153. Highbury Boy

    Jan 25, 2016, 15:55 #82402

    We shouldn't really be surprised should we? Last season we got 2 points in this " 3 game defining sequence" and this season the same so we are back to being on equal points in the corresponding matches. It doesn't seem to matter who manages Liverpool, Stoke or Chelsea they always give us a hard time. Chelsea has in recent years been men v boys. Costa is the new Drogba. The Arsenal commentator said to Wenger that it was "a touch of class" making Walcott captain for the match. Said it all really. Theo celebrated the day in much the same way as he played over the past 10 years. Lot's of promise but no end product. He's such a nice guy but you wouldn't bet on him on 70/30 balls let alone 50/50s. Never mind Stan is pleased the Top 4 trophy is looking good with Utd losing.

  154. CORNISH GOONER

    Jan 25, 2016, 15:50 #82401

    First off - Le Match. I agree with those contributors saying that Chelsea looked likely winners from the first minute (you just have a gut feeling about the way we start matches). Stonewall penalty, stupidly conceded as it would have been better for Costa to have been allowed to take his chances direct with Petr. In theory the substitution did make sense. But only in theory because Walcott's skills, together with those of several others, were lamentable - so that made "hit them on the break" a non-starter. What I wanted to say was that, as a dedicated fan-base, we really ought to take stock of where Arsenal are & what the club has become. I really can remember when I was truly worried that AW might not sign a new deal. Now I am reduced to making awful Arthur Webster jokes & I have two sons, dedicated fans in their fourties, who say they have had enough of it all. We have AKBs, some of whom are now descending into some sort of "stream of consciousness" rubbish, engaging in vitriolic exchanges with the AKBs. It is very sad. Perhaps we all are for caring so much? A dose of realism is needed - facing facts. We have a recidivist of a manager - FACT. A Poundland squad (barring a few exceptions) being paid Harrods money - FACT. We have a remote, billionaire majority owner & a major, billionaire shareholder - FACTS. At the moment, despite the lack of on the pitch achievement, the Club has a business model that is working to make it one of the world's richest clubs - FACT. The Club is based in one of the world's richest & most secure Cities with attractive lifestyles available for those lucky enough to have sufficient Do-Ray-Me - FACT. Against this - no major trophy for over a decade. Total complacency everywhere, no pressure to change things. And because nothing ever stands still in business - real threats to come from both Manchester clubs & from two London Clubs that will, fairly soon, have major new stadiums with all the potential that will release. So the business model isn't that smart really is it? I, for one have had enough of all our divisions. Debate is fine but I think we can all now see where this season & the next's is going. The excuses are already being made. I cannot think of ANY major club that would tolerate this nor any other fan base. Protests need to be made & people need to boycott matches. Don't for a minute think The Gooner would or should be part of it BUT surely an on-line petition can be started? Wish 38 Degrees were into Le Footie! You guys invest a great deal of money & emotion into Our Club - don't we deserve better? Or are we being turned into a bunch of Mr. Micawbers?

  155. Mick Jones

    Jan 25, 2016, 15:40 #82400

    Add Pete to the list of Wenger ball lickers

  156. Pete

    Jan 25, 2016, 15:30 #82399

    Unfortunately the ultimate cheats like Chavski and Manure will continue to play using their dirty tactics.Some like the wobs are impressed by the dago theatrics used by Costa yet until video replays are used these gits will continue to spurn the rules.

  157. Westlower

    Jan 25, 2016, 15:20 #82398

    @John F, We haven't scored a goal against CFC in any of our previous 6 PL games. During that time we've picked up 2 points (2 x 0-0 draws) while receiving 4 red cards. The bizarre thing is two of those sent off, Cazorla & BFG wouldn't say boo to a ghost. Meanwhile, the likes of Fellaini elbow opponents in the head with regularity with seemingly total impunity. While refs continue to guess at what they think they've seen it'll remain a lottery.

  158. theopants superstar

    Jan 25, 2016, 15:19 #82397

    The article headline 'Arsenal lack finishing touch' suggests we created a lot of chances but couldn't convert them. That may have been the case many times in past matches but surely doesn't apply to yesterday? Perhaps Kev meant to insert Chelsea rather than Arsenal coz, given the opportunities they squandered, we are lucky we didn't get our arses spanked by them again!!

  159. AJH

    Jan 25, 2016, 15:17 #82396

    The battle for 4th is on again ! Spirited effort in the second half but league title winners do not take 2 points from a possible 9. Is Elneny a bench warmer? surely he should have started in our midfield to toughen it up against theirs. Walcott a waste of space what the hell was the celebrating 10 years at the club all about? What has he done in that time? Some screamers for sure but not enough or decent performances to add in that time, BFG's sending off is something we will see more of if he is going to be exposed like that everyone knows his lack of pace except for 1 man. Sanchez may be back in time to save our season but it should not be down to 1 player the others have to perform and the manager should earn his crust but he knows he is on safe ground so does he care? Tough fixtures remain and if we are to attempt to win the league we have to win the majority of them tell me can anyone see that happening?

  160. Bob

    Jan 25, 2016, 14:54 #82395

    An insipid display which is typical of Wenger's last 10 years in charge. No character, no leaders. Time was when Arsenal would have rolled up their sleeves in the face of adversity and won such a fixture. Not this lot. They are, quite literally, spineless - lacking a top class centre-back, defensive midfielder and striker. That we are so near the top of the table is a reflection on the mediocre standard of the usual suspects this season. Any other season, this squad would be pushing for 6th or 7th place and a Europa place.

  161. Danish Gooner.

    Jan 25, 2016, 14:27 #82394

    Five years ago when asked about transfers Wenger said they all want to come and look at todays squad,Arteta,Falamini,Oxlade,Wally walcott,Gibbs,Welbeck,Wilshire etc none of them fit to lave Tony Adams boots and still on huge undeserved wages.

  162. N4

    Jan 25, 2016, 14:11 #82393

    Look it's simple to win the premier league = sack Wenger! Can't believe they're already talking about renewing once a good managers (...a very long time ago)...contract!!

  163. Mick Jones

    Jan 25, 2016, 14:06 #82392

    Robb1971 - the problem is you have pretend hardman like Colesaw well past his prime and still trying to lick Wengers balls. Even now despite the tactical fiasco he will be leaping into the air if they contract extend him. His acolyte Badarse the writer of dross was actually trying to goad people over an extension for Wenger. Do they support Chelsea?? I mean a Chelsea fan might actually be s hell of a lot more worried if Arsenal brought in an Ancellotti , Klopp, Simone. It would at last mean the financial power house meant business. However the Wenger ball lickers will continue to do just that. Complete ancient saddo's.

  164. Ron

    Jan 25, 2016, 14:04 #82391

    Hi Kev - i think at 11 v 11 Chelsea looked set to win that game. In fact, the sending off disrupted them more than Arsenal as 'stick or twist' decisions needed to be made and when a team's struggled such decisions arent handled easily. Their middle of Fabregas, Matic and Mikel, supported by the energetic Willian was men v boys against that lot of ours. Where was Mr World class Ozil? Ramsey is just a fairweather odd job man suited to filling gaps when better players arent available. Barca bound my arse. Wally? He really worth no further comment is he? Hes not a top team player, but i suspect we ve missed the boat trying to flog him for big money now. Rodgers apparently was keen! Kev, there are at least 7, possibly 8 players from that team yesterday who clubs used to being at the top of the PL wdt touch with a bargepole.It was no surprise Chelsea won. As for all of the Costa bashing, yes, he milked it. Would the Wally or Giroud have done differently in the same circumstances? Just go Wenger. PS - Did you hear Mr Henry yesterday as he blathered on like a parrot on speed? " When ....if i was the Coach er (silly grin as Carragher nudged him) hopefully when i become Coach etc etc etc ......" . Hes the next Coach there in my view. Another gallic sulking epoch awaits this hapless version of what was once a great football Club.

  165. Chris Nottingham

    Jan 25, 2016, 14:00 #82390

    You shouldn't buy squad players, you should only buy to improve your team. Gabriel hasn't been given enough games and Elneny won't either now Coquelin is coming back. Elneny has to play ahead of Flamini, who wears the badge but doesn't have the quality. I predict less than 5 appearances for Elneny this season, so why bother buying him. Wenger, I blame you for so much. Our club needs a top to bottom shake up

  166. Badarse

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:56 #82389

    Oh dearo dearo me,they all appear as expected be. I was angry with my friend: I told my wrath, my wrath did end. I was angry with my foe: I told it not, my wrath did grow. And I watered it in fears, Night and morning with my tears; And I sunned it with smiles, And with soft deceitful wiles. And it grew both day and night, Till it bore an apple bright. And my foe beheld it shine. And he knew that it was mine, Oh woe,darkest moaning ones are all a ripe and at it as they do,I shall take a stroll outside and into my garden stole When the night had veiled the pole; In the morning glad I see My foe outstretched beneath the tree.With forks through flesh that's where they'l be.

  167. jeff wright

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:51 #82387

    Indeed John,as I said last week on here Terry and co have Wenger's tactics - or what 'passes' for them in Arsene Barca Lite land - well sussed out. So do other managers as well and even some of those on paper'easy looking games' will prove anything but . When you score 3 goals in an away game and still don't win this tells the story. At least Co Co the Klopp though,having inherited that other Barca Lite pass the parcel style manager Brendan Rodgers side, has little choice but togo gung-ho for goals with defenders such as Kolo in his back four and a because he has had 20(yawn) years to sort out his defence and tactics and unfortunately he can't manage to do it .He is not called Inspector Clueless for no good reason.

  168. Tony Evans

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:50 #82386

    Frank McLintock, Pat Rice, David O'Leary, Tony Adams, Patrick Viera, er Wally Walcot (pause for laughter), no seriously Wally Walcot!

  169. John F

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:37 #82384

    I have just checked the stats for the last four league games against Chelsea not only have we not scored but in total we have only had TWO shots on target in 360 mins. That can't be down to bad luck or poor ref decisions.

  170. Tony Evans

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:34 #82382

    Typical Wenger blaming Costa for the defeat - so nothing to do with the fact that BFG is a liability, Wally a non entity, Ramsey a poseur, Flamini past it, Ozil invisible (when it comes to the crunch) and, of course, nothing to do with his decision to sub Giroud, or not to start Elneny!

  171. WENGER MUST GO ASAP (MARCUS)

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:30 #82381

    Well where to I start? Ramsey is not worth 50 million pounds!!! If Barcelona are offering that take it ASAP!! He is delusional if he thinks he is Barcelona quality!! Fabregas who is a pure Catalan totally exposed him last night and made him look like the average technical player he is, ok he can score a goal or two but dammm he is technically average. He thinks he is better than what he is smh!! Fabregas got booed whilst at Barcelona!! What do you think will happen to Ramsey when he can't even string two passes together?? The man is plain delusional and has for months complained about playing the centre!! Now Walcott, I'm sorry but he has been at the club for 10 years but he has barely improved since he came!! Still runs into players. Has awful control!! Still plays like a headless chicken etc will be on the bench now as Sanchez is back Thank God! Metersacker needs to be dropped ASAP!! He was dropped by Joachim Low after the Algeria game where neuer became the famous sweeper goalkeeper!! As he was piss poor awful!! Guess what Germany went on to win the World Cup!! Joachim low dropped him quick!! Wenger should also have the guts!! Let Gabriel have his chance!! Now if Leicester city or Tottenham win the pl surely Wenger has to go??? What excuses can he or his FANGIRLS use?? Would be ironic if either one wins it!!

  172. Robb1971

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:25 #82380

    This is a nightmare that never ends. How many more years will AW hang on, we know Kroenke will never sack him. What about fan protests at the ground?

  173. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:22 #82379

    So they have a nice little breather now, that's nice, maybe they'd like to spend they're break putting things right, no doubt that's what we'll hear or be told anyway (yet again) that we've learned from our mistakes and will put them right on the training ground, and of course it will be believed and we all know who by, until it/they happen again and they will. wenger out.

  174. Kenny

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:20 #82378

    Spirited?? We had one shot on target all game.The decision to make a player who isn't fit to be in the team as captain in such a big match shows how out of touch Inspector Clueless really is.The biggest indictment on Wenger is Walcott has been at the club 10 years 10 f**king years and he still hasnt improved one bit.Even with 11 v 11 Chelsea where much the better team with the player Wenger said we didn't need dominating the midfield.And wasn't it strange that Wenger mentioned Costa diving but completely ignored the blatant penalty by Koscielny.Ozil is great v Sunderland at home but come the big games he vanishes.We are not going to win the league because like the last 11 years this team lacks backbone.Lets just hope when it does end in tears there is a silver lining and Wenger finally goes

  175. Pete

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:15 #82377

    There were lots of WOBs at the game cheering on the chavs.

  176. 71 Guns

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:14 #82376

    So here we are, at the end of January with a chance to go back to the top against a team 19 points below us, yes it’s a team we haven’t beaten for a while, (at all under the ‘special one’) but given the way the season has gone and everything that’s gone before (the reverse fixture earlier in the season for example) we are going to ‘smash em’ – team talk not even necessary! We are going to cement our superiority whilst clawing back top spot from the mighty Leicester right?! Of course not, this is Arsenal – one look at the view from the top of the hill and the ball becomes a hot potato, inducing a nose bleed if held on to for too long! You get a ‘random’ in yesterday to watch with no idea about football and after 5 minutes they’d say who the potential top team is – Chelsea. So what the pub defender got sent off for scything down the pantomime villain (tuck and role) whilst looking the other way, we were very much second best by that point. Is it just me or did Chelsea look really good? A team who has been beaten or almost beaten by about half the teams they’ve played this season? Yes Mourinho is a tw*t but what must the fans think – you can’t decide when you want to try? We fancy this one, next week we may not – it’s ridiculous! Anyway back to our shower, we know we struggle against certain sides, we know we can’t hold onto a lead for toffee and we know we have no mental strength – but then we knew all this 5, 6, 7, 8 years ago? The question is WHY IS NOTHING BEING DONE ABOUT IT?! Why do we accept yesterday being a lost cause when down to 10 men? Why are we hiding behind our programmes or the sofa when we’re 3-2 up at Liverpool with 1 minute to go (0r 4-3 up a few years ago, or 4-2 up at home to the spuds a few years ago, or 4-0 up at half time at Newcastle a few years ago) Yes you can put a positive spin on it – we nearly overturned AC Milan (4-0 down we got 3 in second leg) or Munich a couple of years ago etc but why does it have to be this way? We’ve proven we can fly out of the traps (United at home) but our foot quickly comes off the gas and then panic sets in? Of course other fans are probably saying the same but while we are hanging on, Man City are plodding along, Leicester are having a wonderful season and good luck to em but it can’t last – can it?? The spuds are loitering, but fortunately they also have the ability to win or lose without form playing a part. I know teams see us as a major scalp or a cup final, Stoke vs us against vs Leicester for example – a different team turned up but we as prospective champions should be dealing with that, we should be beating them playing our own game not trying to compete with theirs – occasionally we come away saying we got stuck in and we looked really solid but not often… We just don’t have that in our ‘locker’. And then there’s the guv’nor, a stubborn man with the weight of the world on his shoulders (and 7 million a year in his personal bank account) what has he done to change things? Nothing. Has he got it in him to make the changes? I don’t think so. Does he want to change anything? NO! He wants to do things his way, when it works he has that annoying smile on his face and when it doesn’t everyone is picking on him, it’s pathetic. That’s what the media does deal with it! And with regard to the fans voicing their opinions (whilst handing over £1000+ every season) we all want the same f*cking thing Arsene, success, trophies and a team that will fight for each other every week and be fed up when they are under achieving – these high 5’s and hugs at the end with opposing players proper gives me the hump… And what message does it send out yesterday when Mertesaker was sent off to swap out Giroud – our best chance of a goal? Wally continued to do nothing (again) until he was finally put out of his misery… Nothing ever changes and we always rely on the form players to pull us through (Henry, Fabregas, C*nt Persie, Ramsey, Cazorla and now Sanchez or Ozil). Why can’t they all be on form together AND against the better teams? Where’s the belief as a unit? Yes we’ve been very unlucky with injuries but like everyone else we have to deal with it – it’s what transfer windows are for, to build a decent squad of players that can do a job when required. Why is Sanchez allowed to run himself into the ground? It’s great he ‘loves it’ and gets the hump being brought off even in the charity shield but as the manager Arsene needs manage the players well-being to get the best from them for the whole campaign. We know le boss is a tight chap and if he wishes to save the bulk of his millions doing his weekly shop at Lidl that’s fine by me but when negotiating top quality players for a supposed top football club that mindset needs to be left at the door. I’m not saying we should be monking money left right and centre (man ure esque) but at least allow us to be taken seriously, for negotiations to actually take place rather than or offers being laughed off. This is the fans money is it not? I don’t know how this mad season will end, we may even win it (if everyone else keeps plodding) would that change anything? Would Arsene believe even more his way is right? Would he realise he got lucky and retire to the South of France? Where would that leave us? Who knows, but at least we’d all be a bit lost together a transitional period in the truest sense, with the fear of the unknown entwined with the hope of possibility and change – that’s exciting and I’d take it all day long over the monotony of what we have now…

  177. Exeter Gunner

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:13 #82375

    Wally's not there to win titles, he's there to sell the brand to the children's market. 6 year olds and their mums would've been pleased he was captain yesterday.

  178. Roy

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:13 #82374

    Nobody capable of stepping up to the plate in the face of adversity yesterday and this is why we will not win the league. Costa's swandive when he could have stayed on his feet made sure plodding Per walked, but us of all teams know what he's about and should never have given him the opportunity to do so. Any ref would have seen it as a sending off. Judging by the performance in general and the remaining fixtures, third is about the best we can hope for and so it will go on until someone has the b******s to inject some backbone and leadership and that won't be achieved by the current incumbent. Not difficult to see you know who beating us at beginning of March and going above us either. That's after we've also found a way to lose at OT. Wenger out.

  179. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:10 #82373

    Yes Ed remember those days when we spanked the chavs everytime we met and had the hex on them, long long gone now thanks to an old incompetent manager long found out. It's a pretty dire record alright but hey we're still third that makes it alright then (back to where we belong) we're still third best team in the league. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  180. gnasher81

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:07 #82372

    For far too long the players and staff have a mental block when it comes to the so called 'big teams' losing far too many points against Chelski and ManUre despite them being as weak as we could have dreamed of. Spirit we had, but quality we lacked. Summed up perfectly by Cech racing 80 yards to be in the box for a corner, only for the ball to fail to beat the first man... again!

  181. Tony Evans

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:04 #82371

    Trying to remain positive but with Barca waiting for us in the CL and some tough looking fixtures in the League still to come it is getting harder and harder not to start expecting the usual implosion is just around the corner. FA Cup anyone!

  182. Guy in Jersey

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:03 #82370

    "everything that made this club the most amazing and classy in the land has long since disappeared and that's the saddest thing of all" (post no. 87260). Well said redshirtswhitesleeves. We all know this team lacks a leader, and that's why it lacks an identity. It's certainly not Walcott - what a joke captain, and symptomatic of Wenger's own poor leadership. Your captain defines your team. That's always been the case with the great Arsenal teams of the past. Why not just give it to the player who earns the most money because at least that would make sense - 'cos what most defines this once great club is how much money it makes. (Hopefully, Alexis is the highest paid player - but probably isn't - although he and Cech represent everything I'd want in an Arsenal captain - professionalism, pride, passion, practice, and performance).

  183. DW Thomas

    Jan 25, 2016, 13:00 #82369

    Theo was terrible, waste of a winger. Ramsey was poor, again! Ozil didn't show up. Taking Giroud off was just plain dumb. It's no wonder Wenger never beat Mourinho and hasn't beat Chelsea in 10 games. Every season this is called a blip. I think not. Too many blips makes a failure. And so it begins, or maybe rather, continues. The team reflect the manager. His post match comments about Costa were shameless. True maybe, but just an excuse for playing one of the slowest center backs in the league. Should've given Gabriel his chance for payback from the start. A predictable but awful result.

  184. GoonerRon

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:57 #82368

    So frustrating to not get a straight go at Chelsea 11 v 11 as the outcome could have been different in both games. I hear some say Mert should have pulled out of the tackle but in that split second it's understandable he went for it. Annoying that Costa chose to prioritise getting an opponent sent off over trying to score but more annoying was the openness in our midfield that led to the chance. Ram and Flam just isn't working effectively enough so the sooner Coq is back and Elneny is integrated, the better. I was really surprised to see Giroud's number for the sub - I get the managers rationale - but I'm sure he will feel, given how the game panned out, it was a mistake. Obviously 2 points from the last 3 games isn't enough, but weirdly I feel we've come out of those performances (results aside) with a bit of credit for how we've reacted, dug in. I recognise that results are all-important but the morale shouldn't be destroyed by these results. It certainly isn't the apocalyptic end to our title tilt - in the last 10 league games (which coincides with when we lost Coq, Caz and Alexis to injury) we've taken the same amount of points as Citeh and Spuds and one less than Leicester. As you were. We've got to dust ourselves down and go again.

  185. Wear Your Colours

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:54 #82367

    It was a very disappointing result. We always had our backs to the wall with ten men, especially as Chelsea could control the pace of the game with passing along their back line. As usual when we got the ball Chelsea ‘parked the bus’ with Matic and Mikel sitting in front of the back four. I thought we played really well under the circumstances; we played a high line looking to catch Costa/Remy offside and relied on the pace of Bellerin and Gabriel to recover if we got it wrong. The tactics worked very well and we got plenty of the ball. But we couldn't break them down; for all their energy and effort Flamini and Ramsey lack the passing ability needed when playing against such a packed defence. So it was a hugely frustrating spectacle to watch but I was really impressed with our fight and determination. A little more luck in those two chaotic goalmouth scrambles and we would have salvaged a point. I don't think the season is over yet, in fact in many ways I was very encouraged by the way we refused to give up and continued to take the game to Chelsea. For long periods of the game we looked the better team with ten men. Let’s hope we start a long winning run of games against Burnley on Saturday. COYG!

  186. Mark

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:52 #82366

    I dont agree that it was about lack of a finishing touch. i think there was quite a bit wrong. Theo is constantly underperforming; the least touches, the lowest yards run, he is simply not a threat enough of the time and i would go further to say he has an attitude problem i.e. he does not have the attitude of a winner. Gabriel should have played from the start. he can shackle any centre forward if he is asked to; he is argentian it is in his blood. I fear for our run in now as weve again showed at key crunch moments we simply cant handle it. Spurs look tight as a drum and they are going to come close this time. I think we need to be realistic and cling onto 4th

  187. Gaz

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:49 #82365

    Two points out of the last nine? Hardly inspiring stuff is it? And whilst I get the argument that they put in a spirited second half display the fact is its the very least I'd expect from them! Six league games and no goals scored against them tells its own sorry story. Thankfully for Wenger he'll have a very difficult decision made for him with Mertesakers ban...

  188. Westlower

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:42 #82364

    As predicted a few weeks ago the last 3 PL games were going to be tough. We came through the games at Anfield & the Britannia still in touch with the PL leaders. Defeat yesterday wasn't terminal and certainly wasn't unexpected. Defeat at home to Southampton on Feb 2nd will be far more damaging. The side now needs to put a winning run together or forget about winning the PL. A minimum of 11 wins from 15 games is required. Circumstances conspired against us yesterday playing with 10 men and the ineffectual Walcott doing a poor job replacing Giroud. Given Giroud didn't train the day before after an ankle knock, his substitution was the sensible thing to do rather than risk losing him through Feb. Gabriel now has three games in which to bed himself into the back & hopefully play well enough to keep BFG on the sidelines. In the German's absence we'll have the fastest back 4 AW has assembled, which hopefully means we can press higher up the pitch. Can't fault Flamini for his enthusiasm but his discipline makes him a liability. Sadly our best chances fell to him. He should have attached himself to Fabregas to stop the ex-gunner from running the show. Campbell was found out playing against better class players & remains a squad player. We stepped up a level once Alexis found his feet, which promises so much more for future games. Elneny will get a baptism of fire playing against Joey Barton on Saturday - welcome to the UK Mohammed? The bookies haven't reacted as badly as some on here with Paddy Power the most extreme in adjusting their odds: Citeh 5/4, AFC 2/1, Leicester 7/1, TH 7/1, M U 50/1. From a betting perspective I found yesterday's game relatively easy to bet on, assuming CFC would score the first goal and then sit on it. The bookies offered CFC 3/1 to win, 19/10 to score first & 12/1 to win. Sadly all my insurance bets paid off. Obviously the sending off almost guaranteed CFC wouldn't lose the match & Arsenal's 2nd half efforts could have earned them a draw. Doubtless Southampton will deploy Wanyama to do a similar job to Mikel & Arsenal need to find a solution and quickly.

  189. mbg

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:40 #82363

    Lack finishing touch ed ? your having a laugh, they lack everything from a manager that knows what he's doing to a defence, right through the team, and if ever there was a team that needs gutting from top to bottom it's this team, starting with TOF of a manager, unfortunately he's been allowed to get hold of it to tightly with his grubby hands, and there's no one with the balls to pry them away. Go now old man.

  190. Rob

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:36 #82362

    Have to say, I felt uneasy about this game at the KO and so it proved to be. Per was slow and stupid and we were the architects of our own downfall. I've heard some 'fans' critics the Ref ! What planet do they live on. Chelsea should have had a second half penalty so the idea that we were 'robbed' is absurd. Ramsey doesn't do it for me. His passing and possession were all at sea. But the real culprit was Walcott. Again - loads of pre match hype and hot air. But football really is about what you do on the pitch and he simply doesn't. If it was down to talk, hype and hot air he'd be Pele. But there's more to it than that. And it's hard to see as limited a player as Flamini winning a EPL title. The way he jumped and Fabregas walked past him in the second half was criminal.

  191. Tony Evans

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:32 #82361

    Think Costa dived but it's immaterial really. Credit the effort we put in when down to 10, it's the quality that's lacking. And where are we on the rich list? 6th is it?

  192. King Jeremy

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:28 #82360

    One look at that list of away games tells you that this will not be our year. Of those 7 games we will be lucky to win 3 or get anything from the rest. This was the point missed when people got angry with those getting angry with the "never mind" mob when we lost at West Brom and drew at Norwich - those were our "easy" games where we should have been banking 3 points. We have had our "easy" half of the season. If you listen to the AKBs we've had a wonderful season so far, so wonderful in fact that we are a mere 5 points better of than at the same number of games last year and 2 points ahead of they-who-shall-not-be-named. No, we won't win the league and in retrospect any chance of that was lost when the summer transfer window rolled on by without incident. I stand to be corrected and hope i'm wrong but I rather think from March onwards we will be more concerned with Leicester, spurs and ManU results in that battle for the places which we are all accustomed to.

  193. Peter Wain

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:27 #82359

    lets be honest it was an awful performance and totally down to one man Wenger. His ridiculous attitude in the transfer market is pathetic. If we cannot find a better holding midfield player or better centre half then we might as well get rid of our scouting system. To buy no outfield players to play in the first team in two windows is just plain arrogance. Why buy this eygptian and not play him. Next we will find he is injured. The whole management team needs shaking up as we have lost another opportunity to win a championship.

  194. Jude

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:26 #82358

    The deplorable Costa aside, our woeful midfield partnership is surely a primary reason for the current dip in results. One expects very little from Flamini, but Ramsey doesn't deserve to be in the eleven on current form. Despite his apparently coveted "spirit and intention," if you can't stay on your feet or retain possession consistently, then spirit and intention are, I'm afraid, of little use. Passing to teammates and not being caught in possession on a regular basis are minimum requirements at the Arsenal and in Spanish football. The audition isn't going well, Aaron, but here's to hoping spirit and intention get you that transfer.

  195. 80s Gooner

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:20 #82357

    Arsenal's results since the end of November have not reflected their performances, we have been lucky, you could drive a bus through that midfield & yesterday our luck finally ran out If Sanchez was fit why not start him According to the press releases from the club Elneny is the greatest thing since sliced bread, again why not start him Once again Walcott was pants & Kos was worryingly sloppy Had we taken 7 points from the last 3 games I would tipping us to win the league, Now I think that Spurs will finish above us. Not worried about Leicester . But imagine finishing 3rd & Spurs winning the league. The stuff of nightmares

  196. Rob

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:16 #82356

    The all too familiar collapse form a Wenger team when it reallt matters and the pressure is on. It's 5-0 with Arsenal or the tosh we saw yesterday.... and so it goes no and on and on

  197. Charles

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:10 #82355

    We drop too many points at home to ever win the league, yesterday was another 3 points down the drain.

  198. WENGER MUST GO ASAP!! (MARCUS)

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:09 #82354

    Would be ironic if Tottenham or Leicester city wins the league?? LORD HAVE MERCY!!if any of those GAY Woopsies won it loool. Wenger and his FANGIRLS will have no excuses if that where to happen!! What would they come up with Loool?? Pelligrini would be gone if either one of those teams mentioned above win the league!! Yet I'm hearing that Wenger might be offered a new contract looool!! WHAT THE HELL HAS THIS CLUB BECOME??? Rewarding failure with more failure??? We have lost 5 games the same as man city. Guess what Tottenham have lost 3 games and Leicester city have lost 2 games!! Both will definitely lose more no doubt. But if one of those clubs win the league I'm sorry Wenger surely has to go!! What more excuses can he use?? Or his FANGIRLS?? Also vieira is probably right!! Wenger is an awful tactical manager!! He was lucky to inherit that English core and tap into that untaped french market!! Not won the pl since he has had none of those English core players available!! The teams the last 10 years have all been his 100%

  199. Augustus Flair

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:04 #82353

    A reasoned report, Kev, but I found the display, bar a few honourable exceptions such as Bellerin and Sanchez, shockingly poor. Fingers are rightly pointed at Walcott but Ramsey gave the ball away time and again, as he does at the moment. To be honest, I am getting mightily sick of his pained expression and refusal to apologise to teammates. Finally, Flamini's efforts on goal were so poor that you just have to laugh... or cry.

  200. TiTi2

    Jan 25, 2016, 12:01 #82352

    In case anyone doubted it, we are and have for years been a 4th place team. Epitomised by players of the calibre of Wally the Leader. What a joke! You cannot win the league with (at best) half a team of top class players and a bunch of also rans.

  201. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Jan 25, 2016, 11:55 #82351

    So predictable, I knew we would lose I knew we wouldn't score, how much longer do we have to suffer this? This team is completely moulded in the frail and flaky psyche of it's manager. A total absence of anything resembling mental strength or character. Never mind winning the league again under wenger I'm not sure we will even beat the chavs again under him. How many times is this guy going to make the same mistakes over and over again. The title is still there for the taking because there isn't a decent side in this over rated league of pussies and prima donnas. It would require wenger going out and spending some of that money on a couple of proper players with a bit of backbone and know how.....there is still time but we all know it's not going to happen. I can't wait for the final act of this tiresome, repetitive charade to play out...whenever that might be. Like most fair minded fans I can take losing and we have no given right to win trophies. What I can't stand is that everything that made this club the most amazing and classy in the land has long since disappeared and that's the saddest thing of all

  202. Snowbiggee

    Jan 25, 2016, 11:48 #82350

    With Wenger threatening to underwhelm yet again, Gazidis might have a problem timing when to announce that the serial offender has signed a new contract extension. On a positive note the introduction of Sanchez stopped us getting embarrassed again. Shame the genius didn't play him centrally though but that's what over 1000 games of experience from a tactical master gets you.

  203. 600NER PETE

    Jan 25, 2016, 11:48 #82349

    Groundhog day. This could have been written in any of last 11 seasons. Since Vieira left we have not had a decent defensive midfielder. Since Henry left we have not had a decent centre forward. Since Sol Campbell left we have not had a decent central defender. Since 2004 Arsene Wenger's "tactics" have not worked. We will have the same posters on this website stating the same arguments we have had for the last 11 years. The worrying thing is that some people still back Wenger. Nothing will change until he is gone. Like Kevin, I am almost immune to bad performances now as I am so used to them. 4th place again for us?

  204. Clive The Gooner

    Jan 25, 2016, 11:47 #82347

    Letting Walcott lead the team out with the captains armband on was a bad start, It's all too nice at Arsenal. If he wanted to mark his 10 years it would have been done better by scoring the winner or at least putting in a performance as he's gone missing since the Man City game. How much space did we allow Fabregas? What a shambles, Elneny should be getting a game or why buy him?. Two games against a team having their worst season for a while and we end up losing both can't score and have 3 players sent off. Wonderful tactics again, Champions? I think not

  205. Joe S.

    Jan 25, 2016, 11:46 #82346

    Sorry, Kevin but unlike you I am traumatized. So much to be disappointed about and where to start.The failure of Aaeon Ramsey to grow up,the reliance on a freebie journey man like Flamini, our super star Wally falling short again, god I wish he had been shipped out a year ago when he was holding out for a raise.The crocks like Arteta, Rosicky and the Jack who should havehad their contracts terminated and have contributed nothing to the season. The captain without legs. The failure of a manager to motive his team, Wegners constant fawning to his owner Stan to play the money ball game, Diego Costa having the last laugh the rat Fabergrass who limped through his last two seasons at Arsenal, while secretly wearing a Barcelona shirt, the jeering of the Smelski fans And there is more,such as the projected contract extension for the Frenchmen, Why not make it 50 years? But who cares? This is Arsenal.

  206. Red Member

    Jan 25, 2016, 11:46 #82345

    i feel as though things are back to normal yesterday. forget the title - lets concentrate on getting 4th place. come on did anyone really expect more from this season?

  207. Bard

    Jan 25, 2016, 11:42 #82344

    The debate about the sending off is a complete red herring. Arsenal have had more holes in midfield than a string vest.( see Liverpool and Soton)The defence played so deep yesterday that it invited Chelsea on to them. And I tire of repeating that you cant play Wally and Ozil together as neither of them can tackle their way out of a wet paper bag. Compare Chelsea Mikel, Zouma and Matic. Another big game, another loss.

  208. Stuart

    Jan 25, 2016, 11:39 #82343

    A very balanced piece, Editor. The spirit was there, the tactics and talent were not. That is the bottom line with us these days and has been for a decade. We can huff and puff but never blow the house down when it is needed. It was a red, but really, Mertesacker shouldn't have been on the pitch anyway, he's too slow and lumbering against a player like Costa and the Giroud substitution was plain stupid. It smacked of cowardice and surrender and sent the wrong message to the players. He should have dropped Flamini back into the defence, kept the same forward line, sending out a message that he trusted the team to do Chavsea even with 10 men. As soon as Giroud went off, it was going to be tap-tap, slow **** on the ground- perfect for a creaky, slow, out-of-form chavs' back four. The minimum target for the last three game should have been five points but yet again, we fail when it matters. I can foresee a collapse now, ending in 3rd or 4th come the end of the season. Still, at least we know the plot.