What's The Problem? The Fourth Place Trophy Is Still On!

Online Ed: Goalless Gunners fall behind Spurs



What's The Problem? The Fourth Place Trophy Is Still On!


Sometime contributor Ian Henry likes to assist me with something for my write-up on matches, and this is what he emailed after last night’s 0-0 against Southampton…

Next weekend, I think Man City and Leicester will draw; and that Tottenham will beat Watford. Arsenal have to beat Bournemouth.
The weekend after, Arsenal have to beat Leicester and I think Man City and Tottenham will draw.
I think the non-Arsenal games’ results are pretty likely, almost predictable in fact. But can Arsenal realistically win those two games? Who’d bet on it?
The outcome of such results would be Leicester and Arsenal on 51, Man C on 49 and Spurs on 49.

After the defeat against Chelsea (which I felt was a ‘must win’ game), I ventured that I believed to have any hope of still winning the title, Arsenal would have to take maximum points from their remaining eight fixtures, and gain 14 from their seven away matches. This based on the premise that 82 points would be needed to win the title. So, the visit of Southampton was another ‘must win’ game. Looking at Ian Henry’s predictions on results elsewhere, this might not be the case, however, my feeling is that Arsenal, with three sides above them, although very much in the title race, have dropped too many points in matches where they needed to take more.

I will pinpoint these matches as the ones where goals were conceded partially due to the absence of Francis Coquelin through injury. So West Brom away, in which Coquelin limped off early in the game (three points dropped), Norwich away (two points), Southampton away (three points), Liverpool away (two points) and Chelsea home (three points). Two points out of 15 in games where champions-elect would be expected top gain more. Arsenal played these matches with two from Cazorla, Arteta, Ramsey and Flamini as the holding midfield axis and paid the price.

Last summer, there was a consensus that Arsenal needed to buy quality cover for, or an upgrade on Coquelin. Morgan Schneiderlin was available and willing to move to Arsenal. The Gunners would not pay the asking price for the French international midfielder and he moved to Old Trafford. Apparently, in a tumultuous season, United rarely lose when Schneiderlin starts. This is something I heard on BBC Radio 5 Live, but someone might care to actually confirm this. Arsenal had circa £65million of unused transfer kitty money in the bank on September 1st. When Coquelin limped off at the Hawthorns, they started paying the price of the manager’s unwillingness to strengthen his hand by using the resources available to him. If Arsenal do fail to win the title this season, the decision to pass up on Schneiderlin was the moment they lost it. Arsene Wenger’s chickens came home to roost once the number 34 was on the treatment table.

So to last night’s game. Coquelin was on the bench, presumably because it was felt a bit of a risk for him to play two matches in four days so soon after his comeback. Joel Campbell got the nod ahead of Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain, and Mertesacker did not return to the starting eleven, presumably with memories of his last encounter with Southampton’s forwards fresh in the mind.

The visitors set up to frustrate Arsenal and hit them on the counter attack, and certainly did the former successfully in the first half. Even so, Ozil and Sanchez between them forged three excellent chances to score, but keeper Fraser Forster had an excellent match. The second half saw even more Arsenal dominance, but they could not beat the Forster.

Arsenal played well in creating the number of chances they did, especially allowing the leniency of referee Lee Mason in allowing the visitors to repeatedly commit tactical fouls without fear of a yellow card. There may be calls after last night’s display that the club should have bought a better striker than they currently have. I can see that argument, although Arsenal generally do score enough goals to win their matches. It is the concession of goals that has killed them.

On that note, it was an interesting decision to replace Flamini with Coquelin in the dying minutes. It told me Arsene Wenger was more concerned with not losing - with Coquelin meaning more disciplined cover against the break than the Flamster - than going for broke. He wasn't willing to risk a point and go for the three by, for example, putting Oxlade-Chamberlain on for Flamini instead. Who knows, maybe the point will prove vital. It felt a bit conservative though - but then, that is what Arsenal are these days in many ways. If the club really wanted to go for it, they would have told the manager his time was up this summer and gone for Guardiola (or another proven manager). However, they have no wish to risk a solid and reliable business model that gives them financial growth and profits. That, to me, is unexciting. My best memories are of winning trophies, not balance books.

Sure, ‘be careful what you wish for’ is the mantra of the cautious. Things could have been worse these last ten years. But they could have been better. Shouldn’t sport be about excitement, unpredictability, ups and downs? Drama? Arsenal in the Premier League since the stadium move has been purgatory. Halfway between heaven and hell. Arsenal can still win the title, sure, but I don’t feel like I am watching a title-winning team at present. Three points from the last 12. Where is the momentum? Will it be another third or fourth place finish? At least, if Leicester finished above Arsenal, it would put an end to Wenger’s excuse that you cannot compete with the big spenders, you cannot over-achieve if you are financially hampered (although this excuse is a nonsense anyway if you have unused funds in the bank).

Arsenal didn’t blow the title in the goalless draw last night. It was sacrificed in last summer’s transfer window. Plus ça change anyone? Actually, yes, something might be different this season. Spurs could finally finish above Arsene Wenger’s team…

I am now on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

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  1. Nick

    Feb 06, 2016, 12:20 #83187

    Westflower, your attempt to attack the basis of mu support is puerile, I support the Arsenal not Arsene Wenger FC, like all his ardent disciples when confronted with genuine criticism instead of debating said critique you simply attack the credibility of its author, I said if we win the title it will be DESPITE the obstacles Wenger has imposed in his stubborn and arrogant desire to win things on his terms in spite of evidence that his terms make it next to impossible to achieve. The game against manure at home this term illustrates my point the PLAYERS decided that a high pressing and high energy performance was needed and for twenty minutes we saw just how good our team can be, after half time Wengers influence reasserted itself and tippy, tappy ensued with us dropping deep and containing, that game showed what could be achieved when our side is motivated,unfortunately the players had to self motivate as no such support came from management, so that game was won DESPITE the manager rather than because of any specific thing he had done. Also you don't reply to the other criticism made, you simply choose to denigrate whoever posts such blasphemy, transfers, tactics, substitutions, the playing people out of position to the detriment of the team and the players careers, none of this do you take issue with merely the poster and their audacity in questioning the status quo .

  2. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 05, 2016, 16:46 #83142

    Westlower, the guy is not saying it has nothing to do with Wenger, he is saying it would be in spite of him. Wenger, with his counterproductive decisions and actions, is an obstacle that the players must attempt to overcome if they are to win the title. So yes, it would certainly have something to do with him.

  3. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 05, 2016, 15:41 #83136

    Westlower, for myself, I support the institution, the core of Arsenal that transcends whoever the current owners and employees are. If I see the institution being used as a cash cow or a vehicle for individual, selfish ideas that leave the club trapped in a cycle, then I and others reserve the right to voice an opinion on this. Given your support for these individuals who are manifestly using it for their short term interests against the long term wellbeing of the club, my question to you would be: Why do you support everything that currently adheres to and takes from Arsenal, and not Arsenal itself?

  4. Westlower

    Feb 05, 2016, 15:39 #83135

    On the one hand, Wenger has too power at AFC, but should Arsenal win the PL it has nothing to do with him??? There are some very confused 'true' Gooners out there.

  5. Westlower

    Feb 05, 2016, 15:05 #83134

    Carry on supporting the finite bits of the club you approve of, and continue to detach yourselves from the rest. I guess it won't leave very much to support, especially if you vehemently reject the board, the manager, stadium, club philosophy & certain players. Do you believe AFC do anything right? Please list the bits you do approve of - if any?

  6. Nick

    Feb 05, 2016, 11:18 #83107

    Westflower hit it on the head when he said " because we've hit a bad spell their trotting out the USUAL tired complaints" not verbatim but its what he meant, the point is the word" USUAL" yes those of us not blinkered by Wenger tinted glasses DO keep harping on about the same old failings because those failings are NEVER addressed! Lack of tactical nous, pre arranged substitutions, sticking with favourite's who are hopelessly out of form, constantly playing personnel in the wrong position, and most of all NOT using the clubs considerable resources to properly strengthen the squad ! Those things are ever present under Wengers guidance, I said we could still win the title and of course I hope we do but if we do it will be DESPITE Wengers not because of him. If out players are bottlers that is down to Wenger he brought them here, he supposedly coaches them, he is supposed to motivate them when needed, he obviously wants us to win, but only on his terms, those terms however are patently unrealistic!

  7. Far far away fan

    Feb 05, 2016, 10:08 #83102

    To those on here who think complaining about the manager is an assault on the club, it is quite the opposite. It is because we love the club so much that we are aching to get rid of the malaise that is Wenger. And it is even more appalling to someone like me to think that your loyalties lie more with the manager than the club itself. Perhaps you lot belong in a forum dedicated to Wenger and not Arsenal. Please don't insult the sane Gooners out here by questioning their loyalty.

  8. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 05, 2016, 9:55 #83101

    "leave the politics to those in a position of power". Quite right, our natural superiors always know best. A very, very telling comment. People are pointing out the endless false dawns and the reasons behind it. You have no argument against this but because your support of the regime comes first, you simply wish it to stop and instead come up with ridiculous excuses and endless attacks on others outside the club that have nothing to do with what AFC go through. You'd rather the endless cycle carried on just the same than try others in 'positions of power'. Deeply, deeply conservative.

  9. Westlower

    Feb 05, 2016, 9:37 #83099

    @Bard Take a look in the mirror if you think my judgement is flawed. Is your reflection of someone who's peeing into the wind trying to rip the guts out of AFC? How is your committed campaign of ousting Stan, Ivan & Arsene going? Any joy yet? Are you likely to get any joy, anytime soon? Enjoy the football & leave the politics to those in a position of power.

  10. Westlower

    Feb 05, 2016, 8:49 #83095

    Pochie Baby has admitted that the Spuds new £400m stadium will make it very tough to splash out on signings. He went on to say, "that the club will have to go through a similar period of austerity to their rivals Arsenal after the Emirates opened. Wenger said the toughest period of the club was when they built the stadium. And now this is a very tough period for us." In Martin Keown's weekly column he highlights the fact that the Spuds have committed the 2nd highest fouls in the PL. They specialise in tactical fouls high up the pitch, which results in their players creating enough time to get back and defend the resultant free kick(s). Deliberate cheating with the blessing of the officials. Dirty, dirty Tottenham....Did you take one for the team Harry?

  11. Bard

    Feb 05, 2016, 7:32 #83093

    Sid/Colseyboysetc; dear me the comment that those that those who critique the current regime arent proper gooners is unbelievably banal. How many failures and false dawns do you need to go though before you wake up to the fact that Arsenal are going nowhere on the pitch. Those that are critical care deeply about whats happening on and off the field. Westie offers nothing but odds from the Racing Post and blind hope. The post he wrote in celebration of Sanogo says all you need to know about his judgement. I see Liverpool supporters are planning a walk out over increased ticket prices, interesting.

  12. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 04, 2016, 23:34 #83091

    Clearly I didn't grasp it Sid, cos where you saw a simple declaration of love in all weather's, I saw the usual whine about other contributors capped off with a desire to see the website that gives him a platform destroyed. Most other AFC fansites are AKB, the most frequent article writer on here these days, Arsenal Circular, is a staunch AKB and STILL they complain! Are these people never satisfied? Imagine what the debate would be like if they got their way. Colesyboy: Arsenal are the best! Sid: With the best manager ever! Jamie: The only reason we don't win every game is everyone else is cheating. Westlower: The odds on Arsene Wenger staying for another ten years have just shortened from 10-1 to 5-1. All: Hooray!

  13. mbg

    Feb 04, 2016, 23:14 #83090

    John F, now there's something that would be right up TOF's street, running on to the pitch to tell the opposition players off for tackling his little nice boys, maybe a submission could be made to the FA from central command to allow two short intervals each half.

  14. Mark From Aylesbury

    Feb 04, 2016, 22:56 #83089

    Oh my god a true Gooner has just been spotted and his name is Sid. Some people would say that he's Wengers #1 fanboy, but not I. Sid is the real deal and my support of Arsenal all these years is obviously some sort of delusion. Thanks Sid for putting me right! MBG - there's just no getting through to em!

  15. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 04, 2016, 22:52 #83088

    'We have been before'. Yes we have, and Arsenal have gone on to finish... 3rd or 4th. Which is what the 'usual voices of doom and gloom' are saying is going to happen again this season. There's the flaw in the Racing Post argument.

  16. mbg

    Feb 04, 2016, 22:40 #83087

    Mark from Aylesbury, don't ask, he's completely gone, it's not right laughing.

  17. sid

    Feb 04, 2016, 22:37 #83086

    Exeter. Simply put, goonercoleseyboy is trying to state the fact that he will wear his colours and support the Arsenal come rain or sun. Something you and many others cannot grasp. Sad but true when true gooners are in the minority.

  18. jeff wright

    Feb 04, 2016, 22:34 #83085

    Westie,my experience of reading the tips given by the hacks in The Racing Post is that they could not tip a bucket of sh*te - bull or horse. One of the flaws in the Post writers argument is that City also have players returning from injury and they have a better squad than we do. So all a bit silly really as another flaw in the Post hack's plank is that those voices that have 'trotted out the usual doom and gloom nonsense'as he puts it have always been proven right!So how can it be the 'usual nonsense >? ..... Ffs... where do they find these fools who write these stupid things... you really could not make it up. Of course those pesky bookies will be only too happy to take money on Arsene working the oracle and winning the league... albeit he has to win more points in a second tougher half of the season than he did in the first part... but as the bookies say,fools and their money are easily parted.Ask Stan Kronecker about it.

  19. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 04, 2016, 21:48 #83084

    Here's some news for you colesyboy - You don't have to wait, this site can 'cease to exist' for you any time you want. You simply stop visiting it. But here you still are, still moaning and moaning about comments you barely understand. Having your trolling exposed by Admin would have been the cue for someone with a degree of self-awareness to take their exit, but not you.

  20. Mark from Aylesbury

    Feb 04, 2016, 21:40 #83083

    "When Arsenal continue to win trophies then this site will no longer exist" SIC... What on earth is all that about? I'd imagine running a specialised website is a labour of love and financially stressed. A nice decade of dominance would do us all good including Internet traffic to this site. You know waiting and truly believing in a person and seeing them balls it up year after year it's got to hurt. Could even send you crazy and make you lash out with odd statements. Luckily my belief like many on here that the club is bigger than any one man sees us through. We do of course like to point out Mr AW's failings particularly as he seems to be on s verge of a further collapse. I do just hold onto one glimmer and that is Westies comment that it is best to back Arsenal when hope is most receding. Let's hope so!

  21. jjetplane

    Feb 04, 2016, 21:17 #83082

    Wah wah wah wahhhhhh .......

  22. jjetplane

    Feb 04, 2016, 21:05 #83081

    Westie writes for the Racing Post and Neymar is the weak link at Barca and if we get Santi, Jack and Danny back the triple is on ..... Does this mean Wenger will go down as the longest serving manager at one club when he finally retires in 2036 .... Happy times for the 'believers' ..... Just a thought bit mauve Stan would like to move this club to LA too .... Ozil would love it and Theo could host a I'm a Footballer, get me out of here franchise .... I ****ing love soccer! and maybe Giroud could take up wrestling .... oh yeah.

  23. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 04, 2016, 21:02 #83080

    Westlower, I admire your continued posts in support of the team and current management, despite the continued negative stance against you. The club has been in existence since 1886, 130 years. In that time we have won 13 domestic league titles, one every ten years, and twelve FA cups, one every eleven years give or take. A fantastic record beaten only by Utd and Liverpool for the league and unsurpassed in the cup. Our time is due for the league and if we win the cup this year, it will be another record. The continued bashing of players and management or owners, the transfer policy or stadium is completely uncalled for, but as this site is driven by an editor who revealed his true colours with his match report, then it is no surprise. When Arsenal continue to win trophies then this site will no longer exist, and I for one can hardly wait. Onlinegooner is a contradiction of words, you are no more gooners than Piers Morgan thinks he is.

  24. mbg

    Feb 04, 2016, 20:52 #83079

    One things for Damm sure, one way or the other, Gary Neville's employers wont stand for, or allow ten years of failure and embarrassments, like our shower have done, and the fans certainly won't, ambition and success will come first with them over falling in love.

  25. John F

    Feb 04, 2016, 20:33 #83078

    Following on from Westie post the way I look at it this way there are two different football philosophy's. The one I tend to favour the more organised approach where you know everything about your opponent and know and practise exactly what job you have to do that way the manager can have some influence what is taking place by shouting instructions.The other way and i believe the wenger choice is set up the basic shape and style of play and allow for freedom of expression and players intelligence.This works well when you have the calibre of players like the famous back four,Petit,Vieira,Freddie,overmars,super rob,Bergkamp,Henry but does not work with inferior players.If things start to go wrong on the pitch it is hard to do anything about it. You either have to play a more organised style of football or have better quality players.Unless you are Barca who have both.I speak having won the double with the under 11 cubs surbiton 2002 which included boys and girls ,players following the ball round like sheep,toilet breaks and regular games when the score got above 20 and one time escorting a mum off the pitch after running on the pitch to tell a boy off for fouling her son.Happy days next stop Real Madrid .

  26. Bard

    Feb 04, 2016, 19:52 #83077

    Westie: brilliant cobblers.

  27. Westlower

    Feb 04, 2016, 19:41 #83076

    The editorial in today's Racing Post predicts that Arsenal are the best value bet to win the PL: "The time to support Arsenal is when they are being written off, and right now the usual voices of gloom and doom are trotting out the same old negative nonsense about this fine team and their legendary manager. We have been here before. A winter wobble spreads panic and depression among the fans and then they reel off a long sequence of wins. They have a number of their top players returning nice and fresh after injury breaks and that could be the deciding factor. Nobody can say for certain how this captivating contest will end but if we are talking in terms of value, I cannot look beyond Arsenal at 100/30."

  28. Bojangles

    Feb 04, 2016, 18:33 #83075

    The Rev Brian Badarse reflected on the events of Wednesday evening. Colesey had informed them from now on Wednesdays gatherings were to be known as the WWC so that the group activities could remain discrete. "But what was the problem thought Badarse? Surely a group of like minded Arsene Wenger enthusiasts could grapple with each other in a manly fashion? How people could misinterpret the essential covering of oils and the nakedness! Anyway we are all married Englishmen and proud of it." He thought. The Rev then played a DVD of Otto Von Mieyers Naked Butt Wrestling Mania edition 4. "Well there are certainly some interesting moves in this movie and how could that man be in so much pain but also so much pleasure? It reminded him of Jamerson's high pitched Squealing when he had applied an arm through his legs" The Rev also put on his favourite record Una Paloma Blanca and began a letter in the Parish Magazine requesting if anyone could kindly provide Jonathan King memorabilia. "Such a talented man. I wonder what happened to him?" The Rev Brian Badarse sighed....

  29. Tony Evans

    Feb 04, 2016, 17:25 #83074

    Wenger behaves as if he is running an upper mid table outfit and pats himself on the back for his top four finishes, when in reality all he is doing is the bare minimum expected of a club with our resources. Why we can't run to our full potential is a complete mystery to us mere supporters.

  30. Westlower

    Feb 04, 2016, 17:16 #83073

    I don't think GN should resign. He's shown admirable balls for taking on the job abroad. I applaud any Brit prepared to leave their comfy zone to try their luck in a different environment. Valencia played with 10 for half the game, which can be a major factor in any big score defeat. My point is that the coach is virtually powerless to change the game at that juncture, as it's all about damage limitation. More emphasis should be put on the players. The coach can only prepare the team but as soon as the players cross that line the coach is practically impotent. If a substitution comes off, he's acclaimed as a tactical genius, if not, he's clueless. My original point being GN maybe more sympathetic & less critical towards others when he resumes his punditry career after experiencing a good hiding. Contrary to how my comments have been perceived I wish him well. His bravery deserves to be rewarded.

  31. Gaz

    Feb 04, 2016, 16:54 #83072

    Arsenal under Wenger is now just so boring!!! Quite frankly I really don't care who replaces him as long as somebody does. And lets be honest whoever does take over will probably be a great coach/manager unless the board do the stupid thing in appointing Henry. And whats the worst thing that can happen? We'll regress and then get rid of that manager, replace him with another and start again. It happens like that at every other side in World football. As for the other night we had a side out that included ten players who'd be in our strongest side. On the bench we had the likes of Walcott and the Ox. So with the injuries clearing up its now back to the referee costing us or a lucky keeper. Thankfully for those making these excuses they still have the 'tiredness' and 'fatigue' ones to fall back on when those cant be used...

  32. mbg

    Feb 04, 2016, 16:31 #83071

    Nick, it's far to late now mate, it's already tarnished forever, and has been for some time no matter what he does now. Bard, desperate aren't they ? they'll try anything to divert the pressure from their messiah.

  33. mbg

    Feb 04, 2016, 16:20 #83070

    So it's Gary Nevilles turn again I wonder what he said against their lord and master, you'd think their messiah never got a mauling or embarrassed us, and they're all still fresh in the memory so no need to ask. You couldn't make it up.

  34. mbg

    Feb 04, 2016, 15:58 #83069

    Mark from Aylesbury, good shout, yet some still just can't get that others can differentiate between their messiah and his regime and the club, they truly believe that they're all the one and they're messiah is the club. Sad.

  35. Made Up Stat

    Feb 04, 2016, 14:58 #83067

    So, Arsene - a record breaking 8-2 thrashing today. Any comment? 'S**t happens.' So, Arsene - a 5-0 humiliation today. Any comment? 'Oh well, s**t happens.' So, Arsene - a right royal thrashing today to send you spiralling out of the Champions League. Any comment? 'S**t happens.' Westie (in his armchair): 'You tell 'im, lad! Kerrrchinggg! What a nice little earner out of that. One Arsene Wenger, there's only one Arsene Wenger...... '

  36. jeff wright

    Feb 04, 2016, 14:11 #83065

    Stan Kronecker of all the clubs in all the world you had to come to our one... play it again Stan.... you must remember this a dime is just a dime sigh ... but dimes make dollars as time goes by ... it's just the same old story a fight for profit before glory ... Stan will always welcome mugs at his store who buy his highest priced tickets .... as time goes by... and yawn ... by...ssnoozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  37. jjetplane

    Feb 04, 2016, 14:02 #83064

    Leicester have not spent big and yet they give Liverpool a masterclass and err the table doth not lie and there are a couple of teams above Arsene FC who appear to be running riot with their GDs which is a good indication of where the title is heading. For true stat see Jamerson ... Westie has thrown the towel in with his schoolkid rants and seems Colsey has gone off his beer while Capt Perry is dreading the next circular and he has not even answered the last one. No wonder the team are in a life and death struggle with Man Utd for 4th place. Gotta say the Mancs look hungrier ....

  38. True stat

    Feb 04, 2016, 13:53 #83063

    The disgruntles must be the biggest bunch of hypocrits ever.They always expect Arsenal to spend big yet most don't even attend games anymore,they constantly moan about the atmosphere yet never sing just complain,they moan about the style of play,yet would be the first to complain if Arsenal were unattractive,they really hate Arsenal and are the biggest gits you could ever meet.

  39. jjetplane

    Feb 04, 2016, 13:51 #83062

    So Ozil tries to pass the ball into the net like a training ground stunt and then kicks the ball away in a spoiled petulant manner that sums up Arsene FC which has little to do with Arsenal FC or indeed Tony Adams FC. Contrast with Barkley and his cheeky penalty or the stuff coming from Mahrez, Alii and you see where the beauty is. Arsene FC are presently worst on the eye than the Mancs who are now scoring more goals than the world's most cohesive, expansive, philosophical side. But the last word is with Vardy who makes Sanchez look ordinary and bereft of ideas. Could have sworn the AKBs said Leicester and Tottenham are well .... you know the arrogance of them .... founded on zilch .... nadir ..... Arsenal FC bowed out the day Bobby Pires picked up his crutches. Everybody in that squad knew it bar the pathological 'coach' who has proved he knows little about the game.

  40. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 04, 2016, 13:42 #83061

    Westie: May I just warn you that we have a couple of games coming up against Barca and we might be shipping a few goals ourselves if someone does n't lock the dressing room door before Arthur gets there to give the team talk. You really are getting desperate to make some point which unfortunately I gave up on years ago.

  41. Tony Evans

    Feb 04, 2016, 13:16 #83060

    Afobe is going to have a point to prove on Sunday, and what's the betting a player that Wenger gave up on will be the one to apply the coup de grace to our fading title chances?

  42. Tony Evans

    Feb 04, 2016, 13:05 #83059

    I see that a former Valencia great has expressed his surprise that Neville didn't immediately apologise and resign after the 7-0 thrashing by Barca. Now which game does that remind me of when OGL should have done exactly the same.

  43. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 04, 2016, 13:05 #83058

    I see GN refuses to resign. I'm sure Westlower will agree with me that any manager who has seen his club humiliated to such a degree should resign with immediate effect. All except one of course. He who has the football equivalent of papal infallibility. He should never be judged by ordinary human measures like results and performances. Besides, it is literally not possible for Wenger to make a wrong decision. Any failure will always be the result of external forces like refs or the weather. And if you criticise his methods in the media, however constructively and manifestly accurately, you will be subject to the relentless playground taunts of Westlower from then on.

  44. Tony Evans

    Feb 04, 2016, 12:38 #83057

    Nick - it makes so sense at all does it? Why would any manager (and especially one that is so desperate for CL glory and hates losing so much) effectively undermine his teams chances by not investing available resources into the squad? Why leave gaping great holes in key areas? Why run the risk of losing players to injury with no decent backup? This, more than anything else, now causes all the anti Wenger sentiment in my view. He seems to have learnt his lesson with regards to those dreadful 'gung ho' never mind the back-line years we endured - albeit about 7 years too late, and we do seem to have a plan B sometimes now, but still he leaves money in the bank when we are by no means the finished article and that, as I said before, is the main reason so many of us can't wait for him to go. I should add that I am not advocating spend, spend, spend, only utilising available resources to bring in the quality striker, DM and CB that would make all the difference, and give us fans genuine reason to hope, rather than just waiting for the season to go pear shaped as usual.

  45. David

    Feb 04, 2016, 12:37 #83056

    Bard - you should know by now that Westie has unshakable faith in the boss. He is not Darth Vader - there is no chink of light that could lead to his salvation and return to the good side. Agreed with all your sentiments - however, the team has bailed AW over the last two seasons when it all looked over for him. There's a good chance they will do it again.

  46. Bard

    Feb 04, 2016, 12:24 #83055

    Westie; Bringing Gary Neville into the debate is a complete red herring. He is just starting out as a manager and Valencia arent a top club. You really are clasping at straws. It is reasonable to suggest that our tilt at the title, if you can call it that, is now over. Its not just Soton, we have hit poor form at the wrong time. All the other contenders are playing well give or take Untd and we have some tough fixtures ahead. Wenger's tantrums in the tunnel suggest he is also having to accept that likelihood. When teams go through these spells you need youre special players to step up. Ozil is having a dip in form and Sanchez is still rusty after his injury so I dont see us returning to form any time soon. On the contrary a thrashing by Barca might just tip the team over the edge.

  47. Nick

    Feb 04, 2016, 11:55 #83053

    Mr Wenger, explain if you would just why you CHOSE not to use our not unsubstantial resources over the last two transfer windows to significantly strengthen our squad ? Why did you trust to luck on injuries instead of insuring against them ? Why did you not provide COMPETITION for forward places when you knew full well that we would be without Welbeck for a large part of the season if not most of it? That is ignoring the FACT that Welbeck has NEVER been a prolific striker, your mistakes are legion your arrogance unbounded, and unfounded, you were once an innovative force you are now a man who refuses to take a risk except with our hopes and aspirations, you are supposed to be a manager of our team not its bookkeeper, it shouldn't be down to you how much we pay for players or how much we pay them once here, your job is to build a winning team ,a team of winners not chokers, you are hopelessly out of step with modern tactics with an older mans abhorrence to change. We may yet still win the title I doubt it but its not impossible, if we do however it will be despite your best efforts to hamstring our chances by your inaction and ridiculous team line ups and substitutions, I may not have worked half a day in football but I have been an Arsenal supporter for over fifty five years, in that time I as many others have, have gained a certain knowledge and insight into the game and club I love, it is that experience and love that tells me it is past time you did the honourable think by admitting you can take us no further indeed you can only take us backwards and resigning before your legacy is forever tarnished !

  48. divingrooney

    Feb 04, 2016, 10:58 #83052

    Made Up Stat - Brand new manager. I thought he has presided over 11 games now, without a single win in La Liga. Even Garde is doing better at Villa.

  49. Kenny

    Feb 04, 2016, 10:54 #83051

    In the last decade we have changed the badge now its time to changer the nickname of the club from "The Gunners" to "The Bottlers".Maybe we could get sponsorship from Unigate

  50. divingrooney

    Feb 04, 2016, 10:34 #83050

    Bring on the Ox. The Ox has not contributed 1 assists for the season, forget goals. But lets bring on the Ox. Ox has been responsible for nearly all the goals conceded, when he starts the game. But bring on the Ox. Ox does not tackle, does not intercept, gives away the ball in dangerous area, forgets to mark in man in D. But bring on the Ox. ****ing hell, take herione or cocacine for excitement, dude. But don't ask for the Ox....

  51. Westlower

    Feb 04, 2016, 10:31 #83049

    Once upon a time you dressed so fine. Threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you. People call, say beware Gary you're bound to fall. You thought they were all kidding you? You used to laugh about, everybody that was hanging out. Now you don't talk so loud, now you don't seem so proud........How does it feel? How does it feel? GN tried to park the bus against Barca by playing 4 full backs and no strikers but on any given day when the major decisions go against you, sh*t happens!

  52. Made Up Stat

    Feb 04, 2016, 10:27 #83048

    Westie: I am very sympathetic to a brand new new manager of a team (that's sadly a shadow of its former self) that has just got a tonking from the world's best team. But surely last night was very much different to the case of a manger who's been in the post for 2 decades and regularly receives hammerings from teams nowhere near the quality of Barca. As you say - a pivotal moment for Mr Neville, who I'm sure will learn from it. On the contrary to what to you think, most of us are still smarting from our humiliations - because WE SUPPORT ARSENAL. Sadly, no end of such experiences seem to rub off on Clueless.

  53. Tony Evans

    Feb 04, 2016, 10:08 #83047

    I see Valencia didn't enjoy the luck Southampton had against us when they played Barca - funny that, I wonder why!

  54. Daniel Northampton Gooner

    Feb 04, 2016, 9:00 #83046

    The utter predictability of it all is all consuming now. There was no atmosphere at all in the ground and I suspect most of us are accepting of our 3rd/4th place fate. I wonder how much our owner is spending on moving his NFL franchise from St. Louis to Los Angeles whilst he sits on hundreds of millions in the Bank of Wenger.......

  55. Westlower

    Feb 04, 2016, 8:53 #83045

    Hopefully the 0-7 pasting was a pivotal evening in the coaching career & mind of Gary Neville. However tactically astute the coach, there are games when nothing goes your way, when everything you try doesn't work. There are games when you are helpless to stop your team getting a mauling. This is especially true when the circumstances favour the superior team. Games when you finish with 10 men & penalties awarded against your own hapless beaten set of troops. Next time you sprout forth with your views on why 10 men Arsenal, who conceded penalties, got trashed at the Bridge (0-6) & OT (2-8), remember how it felt when it happened to you. Learn some humility & respect towards others, while pontificating in the safety of the TV studio.

  56. Bob

    Feb 04, 2016, 8:53 #83044

    There is an increasingly small minority who argue that the fans' discontent is disproportionate, ie the likes of Gooner Ron, Raphael Maede and best of all the aptly-named Augustus Caesar (if ever a handle gave away the standards to which the owner aspires for our club!) They overlook the fact that Arsenal fans have been far more tolerant than our equivalents at most other top sides would have been, for a number of reasons. Firstly, because Wenger had a huge credit-balance for his first few seasons (he is now well overdrawn!). Secondly, we are by nature a conservative and cautious breed, raised on stability and tradition. We don't really get excited by the prospect of change and revolution, even when the need for it is strikingly obvious. And thirdly, because in the last 10 years many of those who care most about the club have become increasingly disconnected and disenfranchised as the "Johnny-come-latelys" have taken over the soulless bowl and been prepared to pay Kronke's highest prices in Europe with little regard to how much of it is invested in bringing success.

  57. GoonerRon

    Feb 04, 2016, 8:15 #83043

    & Made Up Stat - thanks for your contribution but it doesn't make any sense.

  58. Made Up Stat

    Feb 04, 2016, 7:52 #83042

    Well done Quique Sanchez Flores for doing something which seems totally beyond another certain manager. But then again, look at the untold riches at the disposal of Watford FC. It's just not fair.

  59. Made Up Stat

    Feb 04, 2016, 7:40 #83041

    GoonerRon: 'If we win the league this year will you celebrate....?' ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - ( etc until Clueless leaves)

  60. Bard

    Feb 04, 2016, 7:37 #83040

    Identity crisis: it was an ironic post. But you are obviously too thick to understand irony. Come and join one of my classes. You have to have an IQ over 70 so it might be a stretch.

  61. Mark

    Feb 04, 2016, 7:21 #83039

    Walcott sums up everything that is wrong with Arsenal 3 passes in half an hour.£45k a pass.Been saying for years this club needs a clear-out from Kroenke Wenger to the over-paid underachievers Gibbs,Ox.Wilshere Welbeck,Wally.Rosicky,Flamini,Arteta Campbell Giroud should all be kicked out.

  62. Joe S.

    Feb 04, 2016, 2:27 #83038

    Apologies Gooner Ron, I didn't mean it in a personal sense, I sent it before I had even read the editor's comments or any other. I used you as a reference for the apologists who will give any reason, but the big one. Something is not right at the top. I respect your loyalty and like you a good day out at the football and supporting the team through adversity matters, however the present problems are self inflicted and result from lack of will, read ambition.I doubt if Wegner can turn this around and the reasons why have all been repeatedly restated.The clip from Groundhog Day at the end of arseblog tells us everything regarding what many fans are thinking. As a contrast you can compare the Foxes and what they have achieved under a manager who has experienced failure and has not been so proud as to seek help from Gaudiola in order to learn or reinvent himself.

  63. mgb

    Feb 04, 2016, 0:18 #83037

    Has anyone noticed how mentally ill I actually am? Posting to a dangerously manic level as the OFFICIAL OnlineGooner troll and getting away with it. The shyte site moderators have given up trying to curb me, happy to see this once great page drop in standard. You can't catch me!

  64. Highbury Boy

    Feb 03, 2016, 23:52 #83036

    Let's look on the bright side. We could"ve had Gary Neville as manager.

  65. KEEK PETROVIC

    Feb 03, 2016, 23:52 #83035

    Let's be very clear for the AKB's who know **** all about football, we have absolutely zero chance of winning the league and it was only an illusion we ever did with the old fraud in charge, for reasons repeated so many times. There is no bad luck involved, we have not been set up to have a chance from the start. A lot of utter morons now support our once great club.Wenger was past his sell by date long before 2-8 v United and still he stayed! Couldn't make it up...

  66. twerp

    Feb 03, 2016, 22:54 #83034

    That mug........ sorry, mbg, really needs to learn to get to grips with the queens english and also learn that opinions are like ars holes (jeff) everybody has got one

  67. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 22:23 #83033

    jw, yes, if their to embarrassed to come back on using their own names (but they still talk the same crap)god knows what their like in public, you can just imagine them all going in and out of AKB central command in disguise, and when they get 200yds away they pull their hoodie down.

  68. Mark From Aylesbury

    Feb 03, 2016, 22:16 #83032

    Gooner Ron - I'm actually responsible for creating an Arsenal supporter a friends boy, when I gave him and the father tickets. I was pretty cynical about Wenger but realised the lad deals in imagination and faith like all young children should. So for him and when I talk to him Arsenal is a big shiny thing of beauty that occasionally suffers terrible bad luck, I am working on my 2 year old boy in the same way so that I increase the tribe. However and this is a big however, in the pub, workplace, cyber space and elsewhere people are left in no doubt of my extreme dislike of the present regime , I expect others are very similar on here. It is entirely possible to love Arsenal, cherish it and help the tribe whilst doing everything to try and undermine this choking regime.

  69. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2016, 22:04 #83031

    @ Exeter - I said before I get why the manager, the board, the players are questioned as there have been shortcomings in a number of aspects over the years, but I maintain some optimism as I believe there have been changes in the last couple of years in some of the aspects that have frustrated me the most. The manager has undoubtedly been tactically one dimensional at times in the past but we're definitely more flexible these days. We've been content to cede possession and keep a good shape in some games, we've pressed high up, we've controlled possession and counter-attacked in others. In other areas, we've started to spend more money on high quality players. We've added world class players in each of the last 3 summers whilst supplementing the squad with new additions elsewhere. We just aren't the sort of club to spunk massive money on players because we can't afford to just write off lots of ultra expensive mistakes when we get it wrong like Chelsea and Man C have in past. I know the world we live in typically fetishises big money purchases that are immediate successes but I quite like giving players a chance to prove themselves before passing judgement. Look at how the likes of Monreal has progressed when he would have been discarded by many a long time ago. I know there are exceptions to this (particularly when we weren't spending much due to the stadium) but generally his recent judgement has been good. I said when the financial shackles were removed two seasons ago that with his longevity, finances and squad he should deliver a title tilt and/or trophy each season, that was broadly my line in the sand. So far he has delivered on that (and I don't distinguish between cups - I was at Wembley for both FA Cup finals and loved every second and after all it's all about the glory, right). I completely admit that not everything is perfect, we have improvements to continue to make and the club could do more in many aspects, but I guess my tolerance for our position is more robust than some on here, that's not a criticism of anyone, we all have different breaking points after all. I absolutely ****ing love this club (I live in Yorkshire now so didn't get home until 3am this morning from the game last night!) and try to focus my energy on backing the team and enjoying it as much as I can, rather than worry myself with things out of my control. I've got 2 young boys and want them to grow up loving Arsenal and would prefer to do that in an environment where passion for the club (the history, the now, dim distant future) is elevated beyond issues I might be feeling at this moment. Call me a mug but both boys have a Gunnersaurus toy, both had Arsenal vests and baby grows and I personally wouldn't have missed those cool little moments because I 'didn't want to give Kroenke another penny of my hard earned.' I know many will disagree but I'm massively proud of our club (irrespective of well commented 'failings' that in the bigger scheme of things are quite superficial in my view) and just don't buy that we are a laughing stock as some will have you believe. And breathe....

  70. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 21:58 #83030

    Mark from Aylesbury, yes apparently city have promised him a major transfer kitty (we can just imagine who he'll be attracting)and Arsenal and Mr bungle will still be bumbling around in the bargain basement with second raters and untried teenagers making the same mistakes and excuses. wenger out.

  71. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2016, 21:51 #83029

    mbg,too true ,have you noticed how the usual right on AKB are too embarrassed now to post under their usual names'''''mugs all of them...

  72. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 21:40 #83028

    GoonerRon, if he gets himself pregnant and delivers a son i'd certainly enjoy that, and saying that he's such a miracle worker among you all i'm surprised he hasn't done it already.

  73. Alan Green

    Feb 03, 2016, 21:09 #83027

    Man Utd, Man Utd, Man Utd, Man Utd, Man Utd, Rooney. Man Utd, Man Utd, Man Utd, Man Utd.

  74. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 21:05 #83026

    jw, that was TOF's idea of tactics, in his warped mind he thinks he's a master tactician.

  75. Hiccup

    Feb 03, 2016, 20:53 #83024

    Let's all calm down. The Calender League title has never been decided in the first week of February! And last night's result has no bearing on the Fastest Team in the League trophy. Exeter is spot on with the problems that Arsenal face on the title challenging front. Saints, who roll over for everyone else, once again put in an obscene super human effort, just to scupper Arsenal. Thank God for some sensible reasoning on here while everyone else is looking in the wrong place for blame. Add Chelsea in to the equation who have been the season's laughing stock, but who only try when they play Arsenal, and it's quite clear that the cards are stacked against us. Petition number 163 has been started today, to remove all of Southampton and Chelsea's results from the table. This would leave us 2 points clear at the top. If you factor in a further 15 points lost due to bad refereeing, the title would already be won. And who asked if the table lies? How it works is when we're top, the table is clearly telling the truth. Yet when we're 4th, the table is lying like hell!

  76. N4

    Feb 03, 2016, 20:51 #83023

    My friend who was a long time Arsene supporter post 2006 has finally admitted to me today that enough is enough and that he wants a change and Wenger out! Like him there are many that have finally given up on Wenger unlike 1 or 2 on here (even though using different names). I think boycotting games will be a start.

  77. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2016, 20:48 #83022

    GoonerRon, if Arsenal win the title again I'll be dancing through the streets of Finsbury Park drunkenly with everyone else. Now then, some questions for you: Why are you so preoccupied with the attitudes of others on here, over and above what is actually happening at AFC? Are you able to see what people mean by 'same old Arsenal', can you discern a pattern? If so, how do you maintain your support for the current regime? You see, I cannot get my head around your 'positivity' in the face of this demonstrable cycle, this reality.

  78. Mark from Aylesbury

    Feb 03, 2016, 20:31 #83021

    When Wenger came onto the scene all those years ago his scouting knowledge was second to none. It was also a fair bet that most foreign imports would generally look after their bodies more and technique would be higher. Marry that with a core of tough British professionals who were open to change and you have the Arsenal invisibles. Moving on 20 years and developments in sports science (Sam Alladyce was a major forward thinker with Bolton) and extensive scouting networks Arsenal basically lost advantage. Looking at Wenger who is tactically weak then we are stuffed. The only way we can compete is with a very tactically cute boss as we no longer have player advantage. Personally I would go looking at the Ajax Barcelona School and that points to Koeman. Granted Van Gaal has been a very mixed bag but he was also unpopular with Cruyff and others so suggests inflexibility. If Man City have the big guns next year then we need asymmetrical warfare. Wenger next year will collapse in the heat. Time for change!

  79. Vinnie

    Feb 03, 2016, 20:24 #83020

    The truth is Arsenal are a good team and generally well run and managed club but... The massive frustration I think is that since the move to the Emirates (am not blaming it on that by the way) we have failed to fulfil our potential and taken 2 or 3 golden opportunities to really go for the title, for all sorts of reasons well covered before on this site

  80. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 20:21 #83019

    There you are then it's all the Online Gooners fault now, it was only a matter of time I suppose, everybody else and everything else has been blamed (apart from the real culprit of course)and now there's nothing left only the Online gooner. Mike, Kevin, your really going to have to start picking the right team and stop playing players out of position, stop making substitutions at the same time every game, stop buying mediocre players and carthorses and stop putting up with wallys and start buying proper players. Your going to have to learn tactics especially defensive ones and stop this zonal marking and start coaching and training the players properly and stop playiny tippy tappy going nowhere, stop making excuses for everything and talking shyte every post match. You both really are going to have to up your game as other teams and players are laughing at us and you. And why with all that money in the bank did you both not buy any decent players that could have strengthened us as the prem was there for the taking with the right additions. If we fail to finish fourth this season we demand your resignation.

  81. The Online Gooner Forum's collective knee-jerk twattery

    Feb 03, 2016, 20:07 #83018

    Basically you all need to get a grip.

  82. Wengerballs

    Feb 03, 2016, 19:57 #83017

    St Totteringham Day's looking tough this season. And spurts have a better defence than us this season so far FOOK ME!

  83. Bard's inappropriate Shakespearean moniker

    Feb 03, 2016, 19:56 #83016

    No, of course he's not worth £50m. That was the point. I was exaggerating for effect you dunderhead. You'd have spent it though if Jim White proclaimed it 'a cracking bit of business'.

  84. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2016, 19:53 #83015

    @ mbg/Exeter - if we actually won the league title this year would you actually enjoy it and celebrate, be genuinely happy? I ask in all seriousness as you're so bitter towards Wenger I wonder if you could ever enjoy anything he 'delivers'? If so, it's a real shame that your love for the club is overshadowed by your hatred for him.

  85. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2016, 19:53 #83014

    GR, if we had been losing Wenger would still have stuck to his pre-planned subs-he always does. Butt Plug the stress is obviously getting to you what happened to the title challenge you thought we were engaged in.How about giving us a prediction for the Barcelona tie instead of posting your usual yawn inducing childish nonsense . I won't hold my breath on that happening though .You couldn't make it up.

  86. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 19:38 #83013

    Mark from Aylsbury, well done Ronald for standing up to old whinger and putting him his place with a couple of home truths, not before time, that's another manager for the AKB's to slag off and vilify.

  87. Bard

    Feb 03, 2016, 19:29 #83012

    Is Benteke worth £50m ? Youre having a laugh whoever you are. Wenger at £8m youre joking.

  88. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 19:11 #83011

    Redshirtswhitesleeves, excellent post, it couldn't be put any better. Post of the day.

  89. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2016, 19:07 #83010

    6 comments, 4 names, under two hours! We get a lot of name changing on here for all sorts of reasons, truly you are home.

  90. Exeter Gunner's imminent aneurysm

    Feb 03, 2016, 19:04 #83009

    Bard - You bunch of fannies would have spunked £50m on Christian Benteke. Spend some money spend some money!!! Spend some money like Man Utd!

  91. Bard

    Feb 03, 2016, 18:49 #83008

    R Meade: youre wrong mate. The club need to get behind the fans and stop treating us like mug punters to be fleeced at every opportunity and use our money to invest in the team.

  92. Jeff Wright's salacious butt plug

    Feb 03, 2016, 18:47 #83007

    Exeter - the last one was a joke related directly to what you said. Pay attention lad.

  93. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 03, 2016, 18:44 #83006

    So just why is “apathy” starting to take root among some of the most committed of Arsenal supporters? The answer is simple. Arnold J. Toynbee said, “Apathy can be overcome by enthusiasm, but enthusiasm can only be aroused by two things: first, an ideal which takes the imagination by storm, and second, a definite intelligible plan for carrying that ideal into practice”. For too long, Arsene Wenger has continually shown he has neither… KROENKE/GAZIDIS/WENGER OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  94. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2016, 18:35 #83005

    I make that 5 comments under 3 different names in an hour and a half. "isn't the place for me"?? I'd say you've found your home!

  95. Arsene Wenger's Surrogate Child

    Feb 03, 2016, 18:23 #83004

    Exeter - you may have noticed I placed a carefully worded caveat in the main body of the text hinting that this isn't the place for me. But, yeah you have me bang to rights - I am just as bad as those that spend every waking hour calling Arsene Wenger a useless tosser.

  96. Petrovic

    Feb 03, 2016, 18:22 #83003

    Purgatory and Mediocrity. A title race as wide open as this shows the reality of Arsenal's frailties. Enough emotional capital has been extended to Wenger's montage.

  97. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2016, 18:18 #83002

    @ Jeff - can you imagine if he had have put Ox on for Flamini, 'gone for broke' and we'd have lost? It would have melted down on here. We've got plenty of games left, it's not time to go for broke just yet. Le Coq coming on gave us fresh legs and gave the other attacking players more licence to get forward without leaving the back door completely open.

  98. jjetplane

    Feb 03, 2016, 18:13 #83001

    The only echo chamber bletherers (ECBs lol!) on here are the likes of The Real One ...... Get behind the likes of Walcott .... you are amusing and Major Perry will be giving you a medal in the merry month ...... YaGunners?

  99. Andreas

    Feb 03, 2016, 18:07 #83000

    Jackson Martinez £31m off to China. Surely, a better striker option then we currently have, however, he doesn't fit into The Arsenal business model. That is where this club falls down. We are as likely to financially capitulate like Leeds as Walcott hitting 30 league goals a season...I'd also say that Wenger is part of the problem, not the whole problem. would this board give Guardiola £150m to spend on players? Doubt it.

  100. jeff wright,

    Feb 03, 2016, 18:05 #82999

    True he is more like Basil Fawlty - minus the humor...

  101. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2016, 18:02 #82998

    AugustusCeasar, as your comments on here won't make one iota of difference to what anyone posts, aren't they also then as sad and pointless as the comments you bemoan? People must learn not to get so upset about criticism of Wenger - he's not anyone's dad on here. At least, I don't think so.

  102. The real Raphael Meade

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:51 #82997

    'A nasty piece of work' - LOL! He's not Ronnie Kray!

  103. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:46 #82996

    RM ,I make my protest by not attending games anymore and giving as little cash as I can to Stan and co. Paying to watch Sky and BT plus the BBC licence fee means that unfortunately I can't entirely avoid doing so .I think protests against Wenger are needed though - he really has become a rather nasty piece of work with his arrogance toward others and lack of any self awareness of his own shortcomings. His tactical,or rather lack of any, and his silly fixed substitutions that take no account of the situation on the field are the joke of football. Last night when we needed a goal he sent on Le Coq a defensive midfield player - he had AOC available and might as well have gone for broke and chucked him on instead. It really baffles me how anyone who knows anything about football can possible defend Wenger and his obviously inept and clueless management.

  104. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:35 #82995

    Hahaha who heard this clown Wenger come back with some retarded retort to a question he clearly did not like Loool!! He was asked that people will say it's the same usual arsenal collapse!! Wengers face was a picture!! The man is turning into a complete joke!! He came back with some nonsense about we have been on top for 20 years loooooool! I almost spat my coffee out!! The man has clearly lost the plot. 20 years at the top??? So in his eyes top 4 is the top?? The question was basically implying that arsenal always collapse when the pressure hits them. The c__nt has clearly way past it now!! He needs to go!! IF LEICESTER CITY WIN THE LEAGUE OR GOD FORBID TOTTENHAM WENGER HAS TO GO!!

  105. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:32 #82994

    GoonerRon, trying to get into the mindset of others will do anyone's head in - you'll never rationalise and reconcile it to your own particular worldview. You just have to accept that some people have become exasperated and are here to let off steam. They don't share your belief there is plenty to be positive about, they see an endlessly repeated cycle with no apparent way out. Besides, there are plenty of what you would term 'positive' comments on here at times from the likes Badarse, goonercolesyboy, lee afc, Jamie and all their various alternate pseudonyms / trolls. The fact that it's only you, Westlower and Augustus / Meade on here at the moment is their choice.

  106. The real Raphael Meade

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:27 #82993

    Exeter, Jeff, others - Organise a coup then to get the manager out. Go on, get on with it. You won't get him out any quicker blethering in this sad echo chamber.

  107. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:19 #82992

    @ TJ - I did say in my original post that "Our finishing was the reason we didn't win" - I was merely highlighting that the opposition manager said they were lucky also.

  108. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:14 #82991

    The real Raphael Meade,if you are the real one it beggars belief to think what the fake one is like . All of this shouting and singing that you want doesn't really make much difference anyway - ask Liverpool supporters about it. The poor results are down to the manager and players and are nothing to do with supporters at games or elsewhere .Wenger's been cut plenty of slack by supporters and the media over the years compared with other past managers at AFC .It's time he and the pampered over-paid players that he signed started earning their money and giving supporters something to really cheer about instead of just talking them selves up all the time and then failing to live up to their own hype. Roy Keane was right when he said at the start of the season ,when those silly selfies appeared on Twitter that were taken on the plane coming back from the money making Asia jaunt by an inanely grinning AOC (how is his season going then ?) and other poseurs,that they were too soft to win the league. I'm not one who believes in booing at games but when performances like the last few games happen every season once the pressure is on it really is rather asking too much to ask supporters to wait until May before making their feelings known .We don't need to wait that long ,we have read the book before and already know the answer.

  109. The real Raphael Meade

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:12 #82990

    Bard - is there much point offering a critique on players or the manager? Do you think Wenger reads these pages and thinks; they think Walcott is a load of ****e, maybe I should drop him for the rest of the season. I'll be honest, this isn't the site for me. I don't really see a great deal of worth of raking over the rights and wrongs of Ramsey's merit as the link man in midfield or whether Gabriel should be given an extended run in the side. Sure it might be fun (although I can't see a great deal of that here) but really, what is the point? All I wanted to say was; support the team. That's about all we can do that is actually productive. Or join the supporter's trust (which I guess some of you have?) if things really piss you off and give the board some grief at the AGM. Or you could even do both? Up the Gunners.

  110. TJ

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:08 #82988

    @Gooner Ron, so what about this Wenger quote from last night: "You expect their keeper to have a good game but I believe as well we had very poor finishing. I think we have to look at ourselves and start to finish with a bit more conviction. The way we have took our chances was not good enough and that’s why we dropped two points."

  111. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:08 #82989

    @ Exeter - my point about the negativity isn't purely about the posts on this thread. Let's be honest, largely the same comments occur whether it's the 4th game in a winless run or the 6th game of a winning streak, after going out of the League Cup to Sheff Wed or retaining the FA Cup by winning 4-0. I get why some people question Wenger, the board, the players, I really do, none of them have operated anywhere near perfectly all of the time, but to never see one single positive thing to do with our club is just too tunnel vision for me to rationalise in my head, and it irks me because I believe there is plenty for us to be positive about. I'm not naive enough to think that all of the ills on the pitch are bad luck or accidents but it's isn't always completely the fact that 'Wenger is ****, the players are ****' either.

  112. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:07 #82987

    Rapheal Meade, 'blame the supporters' is an angle that's been tried before on here. It is the kind of honest appraisal you are seeing here that needs to be happening at the club: An acknowledgment of the endemic weaknesses that keep AFC in an endlessly repeating cycle, stops the club rising above the level of minor place top 4 and domestic cups. It is the refusal to acknowledge and do something about this self-evident, season on season reality that's the problem, not whether the fans are cheering loudly enough. 'Let's leave the recriminations until May' becomes 'Let's see what happens over the summer' and on it goes. It's never the time for a reckoning. Fans take their cue from the club - acknowledge and address the issues, you'll see that more positive support.

  113. Bard

    Feb 03, 2016, 17:02 #82986

    unreal R Meade; I nearly choked on my Farleys Rusks when I read your post. I have thought for a while that its my fault that Wally is perpetually useless. Since I had my tonsils out i havent been able to really shout out my support and I can see it has affected him. Come on mate you make a better case than 'get behind the lads' surely.

  114. It's up for grabs now

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:52 #82984

    Not posted for a while but here goes, as its that’s time of year again, with not even a winning post in sight, but as sure as eggs are eggs, it’s capitulation time in the title race once more. It’s also last 16 elimination time in the CL, followed by an improvement in form to ensure a top 4 berth and possibly another FA Cup run. Since November in the PL Arsenal have played 13 Won 5 Drawn 5 Lost 3 Scored 14 Conceded 14. Hardly title winning stuff I think you would all agree, and were it not for a lot of the other clubs falling over to hand us the title on a plate; we would by now be 15 points behind instead of only five. There has never in the last decade been a better opportunity to win the PL, but deep down we all know Wenger will balls it up once more. It reminds me of that infamous game at Birmingham back in 2008 when Eduardo had his leg practically amputated from a horror tackle. Birmingham were reduced to ten men for most of the game, but we still managed to cock it up conceding a last minute penalty, to end up with only a point. Prior to kick off we had a five point lead and could have made it eight, putting additional pressure on the others, but no by the end of the weekends fixtures we were now only three points in the lead. Gallas had his meltdown moment when the game finished, because he knew deep down inside of him that Arsenal simply did not possess the ruthlessness to be champions, and nothing has changed has it? This as always stems from the manager and his inability to instill a winning mentality coupled with the ability to win ugly. How about we play for 90 minutes as a tactic, rather than the usual just 45 after half time? With the news that Pep Guardiola will become the new Man City manager, I simply can’t see Arsenal ever winning the PL with Wenger at the helm, something Gallas knew way back in 2008! As for the CL, don’t make me laugh! I have mentioned before, just like Gallas, you have a gut instinct when you know your team is in with a real shout of the title and I have not had that feeling since the 2004 campaign. Everybody and his dog knew back in the summer we needed a quality striker, but as always stubborn Wenger knew better, even though he also knew Welbeck was out for months! During the five PL games since the turn of the year, we have scored four goals, three of which came in one game at Liverpool. Instead Wenger has brought in one player for our push to the title, a bargain basement bucket purchase, that not a single other top club around Europe competed with us for, I wonder why? He may turn out to be brilliant, but I very much doubt it, just as I very much doubt Arsenal will ever again win the PL, let alone the CL under Wenger. I like many others made this point back in 2008, but we were shot down by all the Wenger disciples, but as it stands, we were 100% correct weren’t we, and I know we will be again, despite hoping to be proved wrong!

  115. The real Raphael Meade

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:51 #82983

    Let's be blunt; the pessimism that begins with the editorial of this site and percolates through the majority of its users does the club and the team no favours whatsoever. You'd call it realism, perhaps, but whatever. It's toxic and it perpetuates this doom and gloom atmosphere around the stadium. It contributes to the propensity of moaning and groaning when the team plays a sideways pass and it's part of a culture which has seen arriving at the ground late and leaving early commonplace and seemingly acceptable. This general malaise felt in the crowd ripples through everyone and transmits to the players. The SUPPORTERS, that is all of us, who love this club, must take a degree of blame when Arsenal do not win a football match. Let us look at ourselves and ask ourselves are we SUPPORTING this team and are we doing our bit to help them on the park? We are not entitled to win anything. It is not an exact science and it does not mean the supporter should just fold their arms and expect the club to walk over every team it plays and sweep the board. We are either part of the problem or part of the solution depending on how we behave. We are still in this title hunt, we are still in the FA cup and we are still in the Champions League. This could be a great season and we need everyone, EVERYONE to play their part. Now, for crying out loud, pull your bottom lip in and start supporting this team and supporting it with gusto and leave the recriminations until May. COYG!

  116. CORNISH GOONER

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:47 #82982

    What's the problem? Is that a rhetorical question? But I have a terrible confession to make-I WILL MISS ARTHUR WEBSTER after he is finally carried off by the men in white coats! After all the years of frustration, I am really starting to enjoy his post-match sermons again - comedy genius indeed. As a long standing jazz enthusiast I also note that the old chap is starting to develop a "juicy mouth" as did the first genius of jazz, Ferdinand "jelly roll" Morton. It won't be long before the press guys will have to stand further back in order to avoid getting a shower. Happy days!

  117. Bard

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:32 #82981

    Augustus F; nicely put. No vitriol just the different points of view. I wont repeat myself except to say i think the ref was biased in favour of Soton and it did make me wonder whether there is a Soton conspiracy. I emailed Westie about it on his website 'Paranoia monthly'.

  118. Mark from Aylesbury

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:31 #82980

    Gooner Ron - here are some more Koeman quotes. Wenger to 4th official in the tunnel - "it is always the same with you!" Koeman intervened and said to Wenger. "No it is always the same with you!" On beating Arsenal 4 nil and hearing that Wenger had complained about 3 of the goals. " only 3 goals he complains about? What about the fourth?" I'm beginning to like Ronald more and more and he's putting our old goat to shame. Sign him up I say. Would definitely like old Bastard Wenger sacked and Ronald in!

  119. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:28 #82979

    You see vitriol and bile, but I see a great deal of honest appraisal going on in the comments here, GoonerRon. To expect 'positivity' when AFC have gone from top to 5 points behind in a couple of weeks, and to view that as not part of a season on season pattern but as down to 'bad luck' and 'accidents' is not being positive but delusional and blind.

  120. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:27 #82978

    jw, some of the AKB's weren't as quick to pull you up on that as they usually are. Bard there were those that did, it's not right laughing.

  121. Augustus Flair

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:24 #82977

    To sum up all the aggravation here: Arsenal are a club that we all FEEL should be winning titles, but we can all see are not good enough now to actually DO it. Many believe that the blame for this lies with a manager too old, stubborn and tactically inept to enable us to repeat past glories; others point to a business-driven ethos focused on financial success at the expense of sporting success, to which it is indifferent. A few people link these two factors and say such a situation benefits the power-brokers who run the club, who DON'T care about the football, but not the true stakeholders, ie us the fans, who DO care about it. A smaller group of fans want nothing to do with this blame game and, like the manager, attribute our continuing failures to officials, weather conditions, "bad luck", teams "wanting to beat us", etc. The first group want the manager changed in a bid to remedy the situation; the second group don't see the point because it's all down to luck or whatever, which would presumably remain the case whoever's in charge. And, anyway, they have a great regard for AW's undoubted achievements in a cosy, distant past. But I know which camp I am in; it's time for AW to go - NOW - if things are to change, and it's time for owners to come in who DO care about the football, as we do. For as long as we're stuck in this situation NOTHING will change, including all the endlessly repeated and divisive arguments here. Come on Arsenal!

  122. Great spirit, great desire, great salary.

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:22 #82976

    There's a lot of love on this site for Coquelin. It's probably worth mentioning that Wenger had sent him out on loan to Mainz and Charlton. It was only when the usual suspects were injured that he called him back. Wenger didn't see Coquelin as a first team squad member? It should be no shock that when you play Liverpool, West Brom, Stoke, Sunderland, Southampton, Sp*rs they are going to be physical and close you down quickly. Why can't this Numb-nut adjust his tactics according to the opposition. Why does this consistently come as a surprise? Not having any tactics was OK when you had a squad that was at the right quality to compete. This clearly has not been the case for over a decade. The lack of spending reminds me of the early years of moving to The Emirates. Are we by any chance now paying for the Yanks move with St Louis to California? Don't forget the words of Gazides. We will soon by able to compete with Bayern. To quote Catherine Tate's Nan. "What a load of old ****!"

  123. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:21 #82975

    mbg,the 'we have been top of the league for 20 years' one was a laugh - only on planet Stan would never finishing in the top 2 and finishing in 4th place 6 times in the last 10 years is considered 'top of the league'. I note that Wenger never mentioned his 20 years in Europe of failure - or perhaps he thinks with the cash made from it that it has been a success ! At any other top club he would have been fired years ago. With this sort of mentality at graft we are never going to challenge for the title and our teams will always be Ropey Cup class ones that have no hope of winning the Champions League that they usually enter through the bathroom window so to speak by winning a qualifier tie . Albeit that winning qualification for it is supposed to be the reason why that is achieved.In reality of course it's all about making money from doing so and actually winning it is not important. I'm not sure about Wenger's time nearly being up though ,unfortunately syrupy Stan calls the shots and so long as gullible fools such as Colesyboy keep on giving him money and Wenger is able to carry on perpetrating the illusion that he is competing for titles in the league and in Europe then the pantomime will carry on regardless.The man has no shame and the morals of a pole-cat. You couldn't make it up.

  124. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:18 #82974

    @ Exeter - merely highlighting a salient point amongst the fallout (mostly vitriol, bile and toy-from-pram throwing) from a man who is completely impartial to Arsenal (far more impartial than you, I or Arsene Wenger). And certainly not an argument clincher, such a thing is not possible when some people can never see one ounce of positivity in anything to do with Arsenal.

  125. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:16 #82973

    Jumpers for goalposts, of course it's always someone else's fault, it's never our carthorses, and mediocre players, and certainly never Mr bungle himself.

  126. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2016, 16:04 #82972

    @ mbg - who, in your opinion, thinks we're a laughing stock? Other than social media trolls (I don't include you in that), who thinks it / says it? People on here spout it enough as if it's widespread and common consensus amongst those outside of the WOB but I think you're exaggerating for effect. Of course some will question some of the managers decisions, some of the boards decisions, the atmosphere at home games etc, but laughing stock is a bit sensationalist isn't it?

  127. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2016, 15:57 #82971

    That's the second time you've posted up that quote from Koeman, GoonerRon, clearly you view it as an argument clincher. Did you hear Wenger saying 'I don't believe too much in luck' after the game? Okay, this is a strange quote from a manager who in fact regularly uses 'we were a bit unlucky' as a excuse, but nevertheless, he said it. #justsaying

  128. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 15:55 #82970

    GoonerGoal, good to hear from you again, nothing has changed since your last post, only now the clubs a bigger laughing stock thanks to the same clueless manager himself an even bigger one. Good to see you haven't wavered either, we'll be rid of him eventually his times running out, we'll still be here when he's gone.

  129. Mark

    Feb 03, 2016, 15:47 #82969

    Arsenal have £200m in the bank; 4th place is the key to maintain the money-making machine; its not sbout sport at Arsenal its about business; I love it that leicester and spurs (with their wage bill), might give a shock to Wenger's business model. we need to all see it fail if we are to move on. Pep is not right for Arsenal at all and would never have consider. pep is an ex player who wants to win at sports. Arsenal will look to to find a Businessman manager not a great sports manager. Ka-Ching ! Ka-Ching !

  130. jjetplane

    Feb 03, 2016, 15:45 #82968

    Among great AKB predictions was to flash in the pan boys Vardy and Kane to peter out as Giroud takes center stage. Where are we with Ozil as player of the year ..... ps Anyone know what pub COLSEY has lined up for the big discussion where the AKBs wipe the floor ....? Good old Arsenal - always game for a laugh!

  131. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 15:45 #82967

    Did you see TOF getting his knickers in a twist in his post match when (quite rightly and very true)the same old Arsenal was put to him ? nothing to say and no answer only a stutter and the usual and his favourite loook when he's in a tight corner. wenger out.

  132. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2016, 15:40 #82966

    " To get a good result you need to be lucky and we had that on our side." Not my words, but the words of the Southampton manager who, let's face it, is far more objective than anyone on here. #justsaying.

  133. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2016, 15:33 #82965

    Soton and in particular their GK put in an obscenely superhuman effort last night to stop us scoring. I would suggest the FA should investigate, but they are part of the anti-Arsenal conspiracy. Perhaps a petition to 10 Downing St?

  134. Bard

    Feb 03, 2016, 15:32 #82964

    Comes to something when Arseblog starts to slide over to the dark side. Incidentally where are Amos Colesyboysetc and the crew ? Here's a question is Elneny the new Kallstrom, bought in jan never to set foot on the field ?

  135. Westlower

    Feb 03, 2016, 15:20 #82963

    No surprise to learn that Southampton keeper Forster made 10 saves last night, beating his previous record of 7.

  136. jjetplane

    Feb 03, 2016, 14:55 #82962

    Great post HighbutyBoy and you are right - superfan Westie does not go to games but apparently he made 150 mile trips to Highbury once or twice. For the best part of 50 years i could walk to the ground. Surely Westie could have found a local team though now we must assume he gets paid to be on here along with Wearyourcolours (marketing dept) and hence the defence .....

  137. Tony Evans

    Feb 03, 2016, 14:37 #82961

    Bring on Barca!

  138. Highbury Boy

    Feb 03, 2016, 14:32 #82960

    Oh dear me. I was at the game and have to say that if you didn't know it from watching the first half you would have to say that Southn were the team trying to get first place. As with Chelsea and many other teams they were up for it and wanted it more. We play as if we expect/deserve to win. The second half we went gung ho and sometimes had 5 in attack and 5 in defence. There was no midfield. Westie you were obviously not at the game because despite the statistics we could just have easily lost and that's presumably why Coquelin came on and not the Ox. Gabriel and Kos were often sloppy in their passing. Although many fans were screaming at the time taken in bandaging up that Saints player on the pitch thus destroying our rhythm does anyone know why Monreal ran down the tunnel during this time not emerging for a good 3 or 4 minutes. Bathroom break? When questioned after the game about Arsenal as usual falling away at this time of the year Arsene disagreed replying tetchily along the lines of "We have consistently been at the top for 20 years". That sums it all up. In his mind (and that of the owners and a vast number of fans) we are at the Top because that's what being in the Top 4 is..........gateway to the CL pot of money ,world exposure and exclusive branding. As long as he fulfils that objective with perhaps a Cup thrown in for good measure nothing else matters. Do you really think he is going to be shamed into leaving if Leicester or Spurs win the Title. He will just say how tough it has been for not only us but Manu Chelsea Lpool and City. If it hadn't been for injuries to key players like Cazorla,Coquelin,Wilshere, Welbeck etc etc.

  139. Far far away fan

    Feb 03, 2016, 14:18 #82959

    Westlower- How can you not bemoan what happened yesterday and how can you not see that Wenger cannot think on his feet? You are obviously a smart man. Am I to assume that you are the one with an agenda? Not loosing is not winning. Why don't you call a spade a spade?

  140. Tony Evans

    Feb 03, 2016, 14:12 #82958

    Nick T - re your odds for 'it's important how we respond', perhaps Westie can give us the lowdown, but I think it will come from one of your suggestions anyway. My money is on Wally.

  141. David

    Feb 03, 2016, 14:11 #82957

    WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS) makes the best point - Leicester and Spurs have done it without the money. Wouldn't begrudge either side winning the league (differ from Marcus on this point though); likeable managers, low budgets, good football. However, Citeh have got to be favourites because they've been there before, and have a very strong squad. They're winning games and playing badly; they will intimidate Leicester and Spurs come the last 10 games.

  142. jjetplane

    Feb 03, 2016, 14:06 #82956

    Says the 'supporter' who would not be seen for love or money in the Holloway area. Sums the club up ....

  143. Alsace

    Feb 03, 2016, 14:03 #82955

    Westie , seriously, how can you keep a straight face? Did you go to the game ? We were clueless. He had Coquelin available to feed into a game where we had no control in midfield. In other words he could have thrown a switch to deal with the central problem in the game, and DIDN'T DO IT. Football is not a funny old game where Arsenal are concerned. There is nothing remotely amusing about seeing the same train crash repeated ad infinitum. Am I spouting agenda or the truth?

  144. David

    Feb 03, 2016, 14:00 #82954

    Spurs could win the league, Kev! Every year someone trots out the meaningless stat that, actually, over a given 12 month period Arsenal are the best side in the league. And AW buys it; probably presents it to the board on PowerPoint, as Stan nods himself to sleep counting dollar signs, as another top 4 finish hoves into view. Don't worry though, as soon as Arsenal are 10 points off the top, Wally, Giroud and Rambo will start banging in goals for fun. Not their fault; they just aren't good enough.

  145. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:57 #82953

    Westie, too many many draws in that run of games and this team as we saw against Liverpool and even Burnley at home, can not defend leads properly -in fact our whole defending is poor Keystone Kos is no warrior when it comes to digging in and scrapping it out for the points .On another note Bellerin is fast but another wing-back who can't put in a decent cross.What is the point of him doing all of that racing down the wing only to put over a cross that is miles off it's intended target.

  146. Westlower

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:40 #82951

    @Jeff, I will be betting on us to beat Bournemouth, as I think 11/10 odds is generous & it's about time I lost my cherry. Plenty of understandable gloom & doom around, particularly those with agendas, but we've only lost with 10 men to Chelsea in the last 6 games, keeping clean sheets in 4 of those. Keep calm, don't over react. It's a funny ole game!

  147. Nick T

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:37 #82950

    Latest odds on who'll come out with the classic 'It's important how we respond' as follows: AW 4/6 Feo 5/4 Per 4/1 Rambo 5/1 - NB 'It's important we respond quickly' will go to steward's enquiry

  148. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:33 #82949

    @ Joe S - yeah, I'm forever advocating we give the manager another 10 year contract. Just remind me of the posts where I've said that again....

  149. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:32 #82948

    The problem runs deeper than playing personnel. The current collapse has been happening for the last decade whenever the pressure cranks up, whoever the players have been.

  150. N4

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:29 #82947

    It doesn't matter what striker we get, as long as Wenger is in charge we will see the worst of that striker may him be Neymar or Messi etc...so no point asking for a striker or anything else as nothing will change under Wenger...I really don't know why he doesn't just leave. They renew his contract the fans will have to revolt! If a new manager is appointed I will take near relegation as an improvement and build strongly from there.

  151. Peter Wain

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:19 #82946

    where is the strategy in our transfer policy? keep on being told we only buy top top top quality and then spend £5 million on a squad filler. Wenger most go before the summer otherwise another transfer window wasted. The joke is if Messi had knocked on his door Wenger would have sent him away because we could not afford him. Still can afford the season tick price rises though.

  152. Lee

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:17 #82945

    Season ticket holder for 20+ years, our club is run by silver spoon businessmen and NOT football people FACT! IF our club was run by football people then Arsene Wenger would not be the manager today FACT! Where is the ambition gone, also why did we move from our 'home' Highbury? Wasnt it to compete financially with the best in Europe? hows that working out..........

  153. Far far away fan

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:14 #82944

    Oh God!!! We've started to say it. The Spuds are better than us. In the lottery of billionaire owners why did we have to draw the dull, uninspired American. How we could do with a reckless middle-easterner or a gung-ho Russian!

  154. Arsenal Geezer

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:13 #82943

    jjetplane-could not agree more with your description of the club as the most insipid. That sums up what was one a club and team to be proud of. All the advantages that the club now has of finance, stadium, training facilities etc and we are left with nothing more than insipid. No other club or business would allow it to fester the way it has. Shame on the powers that be for letting it become content with a 4th place challenge.

  155. Shu

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:10 #82942

    every season is the same until he goes. No cover for DM no back up for Giroud and Theo on a 140k per week. $th place if we are lucky and a premier league title for the spuds who are better than us at the moment

  156. Martyn

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:03 #82941

    I know it was only Burnley but the performances of Iwobi and Elneny were celebrated by Wenger after that match. When the team was announced last night, neither player featured in the starting line up and were absent from the subs bench too! As yet, I haven't read or heard any reason for their absence. Does anyone know? The Ramsey/Flamini axis does not work but I'm only a fan so my observations don't count. Dreading the Bournemouth game on Sunday; I sense a new low coming on.

  157. jjetplane

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:00 #82940

    It really is not about just signing outfield players and semi assuming trophies will follow. Been saying for years that Wenger does accounts not football and that is the problem. That many people thought Ozil would drive this team to a title are as deluded as Wenger. It is not in his locker or in Sanchez's case. Both are very fine players but they did not make it at the top level and are now bigger fish in a smaller pond. Le Coq gets booked as soon as he walks on the pitch so watch a suspension/injury in a month or so leaving rich boy Flamini holding the fort though he, like Wenger, Wally and many others at this spineless club have their minds on other things. The club's remit is to not over engage with trophy chasing as that requires 'risky investment.' As long as this accountant who has proved that being in football for two decades without learning anything can deliver monies to estranged owners whether through mere qualification or transfer sales, then all is well for what is now the most insipid club in world football. An embarrassment and a laughing stock - ask Koeman and many others in the game. They know what Arsene knows - diddly S! One thing - any news from AKB Central now Arseblog are all Wobbed up? Here's the funniest one of the lot - Could Sanogo have been the difference last night?

  158. Bard

    Feb 03, 2016, 13:00 #82939

    I cant quite get my head around all the angst. Surely its a result of misguided or deluded thinking. Surely no one who follows Arsenal seriously believed we were suddenly going to morph into contenders. We didnt have a good enough squad in Aug and we dont in Feb. Wenger is no longer capable of making the best of bad bunch. Every man and his dog knew we needed a top striker in the summer window and lo and behold what's defeating us now , lack of a striker.

  159. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2016, 12:49 #82938

    Westie ,out of all the top 4 sides we have scored the least goals .I don't think you can keep on claiming that it is just bad luck that we failed to score . Gk's are there to make saves . Forester does those sort of saves all the time. Hart did similar against Sunderland -it's up to the opposition to find ways to beat these top keepers. Ozil is not a prolific goal scorer anyway and his shots were laizze faire in their execution more of passes than shots - as for Wally he who hesitates is lost - he should have just hit the ball first time but instead he took a touch and steadied himself before shooting - that allowed Forester to get himself poised to make a save. We never looked convincing in the game and have not looked so for sometime now .I expect us to beat Bournemouth -but I won't be betting on us doing so.Southampton could have scored a couple of goals themselves but unlike at their gaff failed to take their chances. I suspectthat Barcelona will not be so accommodating when they get some offered to them.

  160. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Feb 03, 2016, 12:45 #82937

    I HAVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR YEARS!! ARSENAL WILL NEVER WIN THE PL AGAIN WITH THIS MAN IN CHARGE!! BUT HIS EGO IS SO BIG HE STILL THINKS HE HAS IT!! HE STILL WANTS TO PROVE HE CAN SOMEHOW DO IT! EVEN THOUGH HE HAS NOT DONE IT IN OVER 11 YEARS!! LOOK IF LEICESTER CITY OR GOD FORBID TOTTENHAM WIN THE LEAGUE SURELY HE HAS TO GO??? WHAT WOULD HE SAY?? HE COULD NOT DEFEND THAT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE!! HE COULD NOT USE HIS FAVOURITE EXCUSE OF OIL MONEY ETC!! THE MAN IS DONE!!!

  161. Tony Evans

    Feb 03, 2016, 12:41 #82936

    Kevin - I share your sense of apathy where Arsenal are concerned. What is the point of wasting energy raging against the idiocy of Wenger. Would he even have signed a decent keeper had Cech not fallen in to his lap? I doubt it. Of course even with Cech on board there were still gaping great holes in the squad that needed addressing, and what does he do? Bugger all as usual. With plenty of money in the bank he fails to sign a quality DM, CB and striker; fails to off-load the permanently injured (in fact buys another, last season, in Welbeck) and surprise, surprise all this negligence eventually wrecks yet another season for us. OK this one is not a write off yet but we can all see the way it is shaping up. Looks like the FA Cup will have to save his bacon yet again.

  162. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2016, 12:31 #82935

    I was being over-generous there with the 4 points from 12,it is of course 3 from 12 due to us losing to Chelsea . Whatever,hardly title winning form .

  163. Westlower

    Feb 03, 2016, 12:30 #82934

    That performance would win the game 3-0 an other day. Ozil's skill in the early minutes was sublime when plucking the ball out of the air and shooting in one movement - poetry in motion that deserved a goal. Some glorious chances were either spurned, kicked off the line or well saved. Considering Southampton limited Man U to one attempt at OT where the Saints won 1-0 we actually created more than enough opportunities to have buried them. Even Koeman conceded we had 10 good chances. The opposition rode their luck and got away with it. A similar performance at Bournemouth should see us scoring again. The team with the outstanding goal coefficient at present is the Spuds. TH 2.3/1; Citeh 2/1; Leicester & AFC 1.7/1; Man U 1.5/1. Arsenal need to get their scoring boots on - pronto! AFC are still the bookies 2nd favourites to win the PL at 3/1 with Citeh at Evens, Leicester 5/1, TH 6/1 & MU 33/1. AFC 8/1 to not make the top 4. Once again a poor ref.

  164. Stan the Man

    Feb 03, 2016, 12:30 #82933

    Nick T - Sadly (or maybe not) Theo is still lost down the hole he fell into when he came off the bench. It was ironic really given that it was the hole he'd dug himself with the pre-match comments about how we owed Southampton after the 4-0 drubbing on Boxing Day and how he was motivated to put things right. Sigh.

  165. Alan Whiffin

    Feb 03, 2016, 12:24 #82931

    Spot on!Worst result the club has had recently is beating Hull in the FA cup final ,giving us more Wenger ,when will he go ?

  166. Joe S.

    Feb 03, 2016, 12:23 #82930

    Blah! Stop whinging and sign Arsene Wegner to a new 10 year contract,. This club is going places and we are going places,isn't that right Gooner Ron?

  167. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2016, 12:21 #82929

    We have had donkeys years of ott optimistic counting chickens before they are hatched - regarding the alleged points that we will win from forthcoming games that are claimed to be easy ones - but turn out anything but . I predicted before the last 4 games were played that we would drop points in them .Even so 4 from 12 was not what I expected .Looking at our remaining fixtures I am going for us to win 74 to 76 points at most and this might get us 4th spot that is if Leicester or the spuds implode - if they don't then it could be a close run thing for 4th place - with United now looking confident and some of their players - such as Rooney,Mata and Martial are in good form .Same can't be said of any of our ones and Sanchez will have to carry this team again and play in every game. He already looks like he is wondering why he is with us he must have believed Wenger's bull**** that he spun him him in Brazil .Wenger himself is looking like a cornered rat and again was ranting at the referee blaming him for not giving us any decisions. Tbh I thought he did us a favour with the handball by Gabriel that some refs would have pointed to the spot for. But hey this is tunnel-vision Arsene the man who sees what he wants to see. So Peter kept another clean sheet - great ,but not much good if you don't win the game .I'm still trying to work out where those 12 to 15 points are going to come from that he is supposedly going to win us.Perhaps he should go up for free-kicks and corners - he might score some goals to help do it ,after all no one else is scoring any. Bournemouth away ,I expect us to win that one although not confident about it. Leicester at home ,looks tricky ,the Foxes are cunning and are not showing any signs of the dreaded 'fatigue' that plagues our little technicians under Arsene's management,they are a good counter-attacking side and probably better suited to playing us away with Wenger going gung-ho for points than they were at home when we beat them. As I recall the scoreline flattered us that day. United away now looks tougher than it did a month ago with their players now hitting top form . Among all of this fun we have a date with Messi , Suarez and Neymar at home to look forward too. You couldn't make it up.

  168. Arsenal Geezer

    Feb 03, 2016, 12:11 #82928

    Did anyone really believe that this bunch of mugs were going to do anything different. Every gooner i have spoken to for the last 7-8 years has been saying the same thing every season. Too many average players, playing for a past it manager and owner who only cares for the money. Wenger will never change. This is the club that grosses the largest match day revenue in the world of football and is always in the top 10 richest clubs in the world and he has bought 1 outfield player across the last 3 transfer windows. Kronke, Gazidis, Wenger do one.

  169. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 12:10 #82927

    Exeter, good point, maybe this is all part of TOF's master plan to lull us all into a false sense of security, i'm surprised the AKB's haven't told us that already.

  170. John F

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:42 #82925

    Even if we do finish outside the top four this season with the huge amount of money coming in next season I dought Stan would be to worried about losing CL money.I do sense that due to the high level of expectations this season due to the Chelsea and Utd situations that Wenger's may not survive fan pressure when we completely fall out of contention.As for yesterday another fine example of in game management in evidence with Giroud our only so called central striker drifting wide all the time and Flamini is either not obeying or not given instructions to stay put.I remember someone posting when lecoq got injured "that's it the end of our title challenge" looks like he was right.I do know why but the line in the who song i'm one keeps coming to mind"every year is the same and I feel it again I'm a loser no chance to win".

  171. Nick T

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:40 #82924

    Surely the worst scenario out of this season would be to finish 2nd behind City...could still be spun by the club/AW as 'progress' yeah right!!! Win it he's a legend but at least it would be a proper trophy on the mantlepiece and it might actually make it more likely he leaves this summer doing it on his terms?? Finish 4/5th below one or both of Leicester/scum and Im not sure his ego could take it on top of the inevitable and deserved backlash from a growing section of the fans. PS Any word from Feo yet, I always look forward to his insightful comments on Twitter...hes clearly got one eye on life after football and a career in Arsenal's PR department!! Farce

  172. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:37 #82923

    Exeter Gunner : Spot on. Someone mentioned it before that we only start playing when there is nothing left to play for - how true and every bloody season it is true!

  173. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:32 #82922

    Website Editor, like I said yesterday TOF has eventually broken us all. wenger out.

  174. Don

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:32 #82921

    We are not in a title race.As Fergie said being top in Jan and Feb means nothing its being top in April and May.And by that time over the last 12 years we have been well and truly out of it.How anyone could believe this squad with no outfield signings last summer could win the league is beyond me.The truth is bar Cech Sanchez and Ozil(although he still doesnt turn up in the big games in the big games) we are not good enough.We have a manager who hasnt learned any lessons from previous title failures.We are in a fight for 4th make no bones about it.Will Wenger be removed like Pellegrini?No he will probably be given a £9m a year contract.Another Groundhog season and sadly us the fans are letting it happen.We will never win another title under Wenger again.But the good news is look at those lovely profits.Kerching £££££

  175. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:29 #82920

    Yep I’m still around watching from the shadows. You know, I’ve always laughed in the face of adversity, but 5 years ago I realised; it only LAUGHS BACK LOUDER! So I gave up my season ticket, and refused to give this fraud of a football club a single penny as long as Wenger played the role of Dictator. Yes, the thought of the £1000’s I’ve saved by not being scammed by the current cartel allows me a wry smile, but don’t think for one second that I wouldn’t rather be attending every home match of a club, not content with being amongst the also-rans of European football, and managed by a man not satisfied with simply finishing fourth every season… KROENKE/GAZIDIS/WENGER OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  176. Wardy

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:26 #82919

    Hahahahaha shock horror ,,,,,, we're slipping up again, who'd have seen that coming ! ,,,,,,, answer: everyone except Arsene Let the apathy continue ,,,, 4th place is the goal and 4th place it will be

  177. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:23 #82918

    I feel sorry for you Kev having to write the same thing year in year out and like you I am past getting angry it is how life is in Wenger's World. Had we a top striker I think we would be clear at the top until probably end of March when the roof would fall in. I have felt that the PL this season will be won by the team with the best manager and there are 3 or 4 doing a very good job - still fancy City though because they have the best striker, although Vardy is having a great season and I would love Leicester to win it. For the followers of Arsenal each season is the very same as the last in terms of the league, that is due to the loyal and blind support of the board and that enough fans are frightened of change, so there will be no change. As for the financial argument, Leics are top on a wage bill one third of ours and still our roof leaks!

  178. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:22 #82917

    Bob, good post, but he did convince others mate, he always does and he never has any trouble doing so.

  179. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:18 #82916

    I'm with you Kev, no longer can I bothered to waste my time fretting about a club that does not give a monkeys about its supporters other than to fleece them of as much money as they can. Our once great club ( and I mean GREAT cos it used to be the classiest football club around, one that I was so proud to be a loyal supporter of, and the envy of many) is nothing more than a bank these days. To wenger, gazidis, and kroenke thank you for destroying Arsenal FC as anyone old enough to remember pre-sky football knew it. Thank you for replacing my beloved beautiful Highbury with a soulless, sanitised eyesore. Thank you for gutless wonders like Walcott, bendtner, eboue, alumina, silvestre etc when the very ethos of our club was based on true arsenal men like Adams, mcKlintock, rocky, wrighty, bergkamp et al. You've ruined Arsenal for a lot of people, a lot of loyal fans that go WAY BACK, it's time for you to piss off and let us have our club back

  180. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:08 #82915

    In hindsight it probably wasn't a good idea to beat Man City. This created an expectation the team haven't been able to cope with. However, as the transition from battling for the top to battling for 4th is made, pressure and expectation will drop and consequently results will improve.

  181. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 11:04 #82914

    Arsenal can still win the title ? are you still drunk Ed, we expect that from others, but you ?

  182. Ap

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:54 #82913

    Since November we've dropped 19 points out of a possible 39 and Coquelin and Cazorla has played in one of those games against the Spuds The Ramsey/Flamini partnership has been our biggest problem because Ramsey doesn't possess the necessary attributes to play central midfield with Ozil in the side Ramsey's main strength is arriving late in the box to score goals he can't defend very well or keep the ball or pass very well due to his touch and discipline not being good enough.Flamini does not have enough speed or discipline to play with Ramsey because Ramsey tends to make forward runs at times when we don't have good possession this then leaves Flamini exposed due to both Ozil and Ramsey caught up field,then Flamini gets desperate and starts to make last ditch lunges in to tackles and poor decisions where his arriving late due to his pace. I would like to see a Coquelin/Elneny partnership until Cazorlas fit again I think this would work better allowing us to keep the ball better win it back better and allow Ozil to create the chances for our forwards.

  183. mbg

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:54 #82912

    It was only a matter of time until the meltdown came, we all knew it would, as some one quipped last night TOF getting his comeuppance (and of course his disciples) the carthorse, wally, Ozil, Kos, BFUG, past it old men. And the spuds above us, I hope your all happy now.

  184. Mark

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:50 #82911

    Id definitely give Iwobia run out and Theo a month off; he must be tired with all that tweeting he does. Giroo is after all Giroo; he cant get better he isnt a master or remotely top 10 striker in europe; hes a buy reasonable price and get by kid of wenger guy;

  185. Scorpion

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:49 #82910

    Missed the game last night but have nothing but the harshest of criticism for Wenger. The title was lost in the summer transfer window. It is vital to move on the perennially injured players (Arteta, Rosicky, Walcott, Welbeck, Wilshere, etc. etc.) end of season. If not, Ozil and Bellerin wont stay beyond 2017 with the way things are going.

  186. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:47 #82909

    There's still plenty of time to go so it's not quite hanging on the edge of a precipice, but it's not far off. The key games coming up between the teams at the top will either close things right up or we could be significantly cut adrift. Time for the players and manager to turn up and kick start our season as we're currently stuck in neutral. Pretty good second half but you could see the nervousness of the crowd was permeating into the players at times. Typical for the opposition keeper to have a world beating game (his second from Ozil in the first half looked unbelievable). Our finishing was the reason we didn't win but the ref was abysmal all night. Not one moments inclination to stop their persistent fouling and time wasting from minute one - then right in the middle of a huge spell of pressure for us let their physios put a bandage on someone's head 2 yards from the touch line. Prick.

  187. Charles

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:23 #82908

    We drop too many points at home to ever win the league, last night was another 2 down the drain. Get rid of this manager who can't get his team to win enough home games. WENGER OUT.

  188. Alsace

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:16 #82907

    When the team came onto the pitch yesterday I thought that it was probably our best team to be able to put out, save that Coquelin was not amongst the starters. There followed perhaps the most inept 45 minutes that I have seen from Arsenal since , well I don't know when. It was obvious even to the meanest intelligence that we needed to control the midfield..... by putting Coquelin on instead of Ramsey, who was having another nightmare. OGL did not react. When he made a replacement he took off Campbell and put the wholly ineffectual Walcott on. Jeff, I am afraid, is correct. Chelsea are in the toilet, so are Man U and Liverpool. Man City are without Kompany. A perfect storm for our opponents and we look absolutely clueless. It really is a case of black despair. We are going absolutely nowhere under this manager. City will win the League for at least the next four seasons.

  189. Wear Your Colours

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:16 #82906

    In the first half it was a tough battle in the midfield and we struggled to build an attacking platform. In the second period we started to assert more authority in the centre of the park and created a succession of chances. Frustratingly we didn’t take any of them. I felt both Ozil and Alexis put in very good performances and were certainly at the basis of all our best attacking moves. The back-line looked reasonably solid too. We need to change the Ramsey/Flamini partnership as it is not creative enough and both Giroud and Theo look hopelessly out of form in front of goal. The title challenge is evaporating rapidly and we need to get out of this rut. For the trip to Bournemouth I would freshen things up by making changes with Coquelin, Elneny and the Ox replacing Flamini, Ramsey and Campbell. I would also consider playing Alexis up top instead of Giroud and giving Iwobi a run out in one of the wide positions. COYG!

  190. Ap

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:13 #82905

    Well said,and unfortunately so true.

  191. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:13 #82904

    Kevin, so true, purgatory. Here's a summing up of the last few seasons from 2008. August-October; start season well, wow we could win title this year. November-December; fall away in league due to loss of form/injuries. January; gets worse - panic buy/loan in transfer window. February-March; picks up form suddenly 6 wins in a row. KO from CL. April, top four place secured and coast to the end of the season (unless it's a 2-way fight for 4th, in which case winning run continues). Summer; invest bare minimum in squad. Rinse and repeat.

  192. Jumpers for goalposts

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:12 #82903

    Ronald Koeman is spot on. He said to Wenger "You had 10 chances to score but didn't take any of them. Instead you take it out on the officials" Doesn't that just sum up every Wenger team since 2005 ??????

  193. Website Editor

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:11 #82902

    Far far away fan - Vitriol? Resignation here my friend. I can't get angry about Arsenal any more. I've stopped caring until we get a change of ethos at the club. Why get myself worked up over something so inevitable as Arsenal falling short? There is no motivation at board level to genuinely compete, otherwise the manager would have been booted out years back, instead of being rewarded with highly paid contracts. However, there is a chance that the loyalists might finally be turning. Take a look at Arseblog this morning. Good to see him actually tell it like it is.

  194. TJ

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:08 #82900

    We concede 15 shots and 1.3 goals a game without Coquelin in the team and 10 shots and 0.8 goals with him in! I said we should get Tiote from Newcastle as backup for him and Lukaku as our CF- not looking like bad suggestions now. The DM slot is the lynchpin of the whole defensive system, and is even more important given the slender build of Ozil and Ramsey. However, Wenger went 6/7 years without a DM, so given his idiotic philosophy, we're actually 'lucky' just to have Coquelin! The league is so weak this year we still, on paper, have a chance, though I doubt we will win. If only we had a manager who plugged gaps in the squad, played balanced football, was flexible with tactics and read the opposition, we could really achieve something great. Sanchez went on record last summer to express his disappointment we won only the FA Cup- he and other won't be happy with the 4th place business model so expect the start of another exodus of stars a la Fabregas, RvP, Adebayor etc.

  195. Nick

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:08 #82899

    When even arsenblog slag off Wenger you know things are bad, 21 shots without a goal is abysmal, 3 points from 12 is bloody awful and more relegation form than title promise, we are still plagued by injury, yet even those returning from said disease are ignored , the ONLY new signing is ignored, inept management and players who are clearly bottling a challenge all combine to make what apparently is officially groundhog day all too familiar, the title is there to be taken by a team bold enough to do so that team would appear to be lowly Leicester City at present , Wenger has lost it , in fact hasn't had it since 2004, we should have seen it coming when he broke up the invincible team too early and reverted to his earlier failed Monaco experiment with youth, for the sake of my sanity for the sake of honour he should resign, and let a young hungry manager take over , but he won't and he wont be pushed either as he is still fulfilling the owners remit of fourth place, the way I feel today last night could well be my last game, at least until the old codger has gone !!

  196. Far far away fan

    Feb 03, 2016, 10:01 #82898

    I really hoped for more vitriol in this article. If this sort of capitulation in a seemingly easy title race isn't the last nail in Wenger's coffin, I don't know what is. We are supporting a club run by high born chumps who know very little about football. It's time the fires of revolution reached the upper echelons of the Arsenal

  197. Terry

    Feb 03, 2016, 9:58 #82897

    Arsenal: part of Kroenke's money-making empire. 4th place is all that is required as long as Wenger keeps a healthy balance in the bank. So, Wenger is doing what his boss requires. Simple. Unless you love Arsenal and you love supporting a club whose purpose is winning trophies. Ask Pep.

  198. Mark Suckerberg

    Feb 03, 2016, 9:58 #82896

    -The biggest risk is not taking any risk... In a world that's changing really quickly, the only strategy that is guaranteed to fail is not taking risks. - Arsenal for the last 10 years.

  199. N4

    Feb 03, 2016, 9:57 #82895

    All the players were playing at their highest level last night...that's because their level are very limited...bar Ozil and Sanchez. All that blame one person only...yes Wenger! The man is now a disgrace with all the monies in the bank and making more money for his boss by using football games as a revenue. He's an accountant. He's made this Arsenal team as the most frustrating team to watch. We were crying out for a decent striker last which apparently none were available at the start of the season. Why won't he just eff off as soon as...!

  200. ianmac

    Feb 03, 2016, 9:57 #82894

    Same old season, starts with promising results and performances - fans hope - embarrassing results - wenger out - results pick up again - injuries - more false dawns - qualify for knock out stages CL - we can we league - season stutters - limp over the line in 3rd or 4th - if we buy 2-3 players we can win league next season, every season

  201. Bob

    Feb 03, 2016, 9:54 #82893

    A convenient truth. That should be the epitath to Wenger's (and Stan Kronke's) tenure at Arsenal. It suited them both that the stadium was being rebuilt, because it masked their unwillingness to invest properly in the quality and quantity of players needed to win serious trophies in the modern era. This season, Cech apart, we are, quite literally, spineless. Compared to his equivalents at Man City, Tottenham and Leicester, Giroud does not represent a top-quality striking option, and there is no other viable alternative. Coquelin is a very decent defensive midfielder, but he is probably not quite top drawer and besides when he is injured the cupboard is bare. Our only remotely good centre back now is Koscielney - he is no Vincent Kompany (or, dare I say it, as good as the first-choice pairing at Spurs) and there is no-one else good enough. Groundhog day was this week and once again Wenger convinced himself (but no-one else) that we did not need to get quality in during the January transfer window. He will no doubt be content to free-wheel to 3rd or 4th place, assuming Man United don't catch us.... Pathetic and predictable.

  202. 600NER PETE

    Feb 03, 2016, 9:36 #82892

    You are right Kevin. Purgatory it is watching Arsenal since the Emirates move.

  203. Augustus Flair

    Feb 03, 2016, 9:31 #82891

    But, Kev, why blame wasted transfer windows when we've landed Mohamed Elneny? We're still at the races... though that Tricast is looking a bit forlorn now.