#ThrowbackThursday – Leicester at home

Part one of a look back at the history of the Foxes’ visits to Arsenal



#ThrowbackThursday – Leicester at home


The first visit of Leicester – then known as Leicester Fosse - came in March 1895. Arsenal, then of course known as Woolwich Arsenal, were at the time playing their home fixtures at the Manor Ground in Plumstead. In late January of that year however, crowd incidents at the Manor Ground in a game against Burton Wanderers (told in greater detail here by the Arsenal history blog) led to Arsenal being the first side in England to have their ground closed.

Arsenal played two fixtures away from Woolwich, the first against Burton Swifts was played at the home of New Brompton in Gillingham. The second game during the ban was against Leicester Fosse, which took place at the Lyttleton Cricket Ground in Leyton – formerly the headquarters of Essex County Cricket club until 1934. The ground is still there and is situated off of Leyton High Road and a few hundred yards away from Leyton Orient’s current home at Brisbane Road. The game ended in a 3-3 draw.

Arsenal’s first win over the Fosse came in April 1897 at Plumstead, the Gunners running out 2-1 winners. Leicester’s first away win over Arsenal came in October 1897, when the Foxes inflicted a 0-3 defeat on the Gunners at Plumstead. Among the notable early visits of Leicester to Arsenal were an 8-0 win for the Gunners at Plumstead in October 1903, which included a hat-trick for an Irishman called Thomas Shanks. The first top flight meetings between the two sides took place over the Christmas period of 1908. On Christmas Day that year, the two sides met at Filbert Street and played out a 1-1 draw. Twenty four hours on, the Boxing Day meet between the two sides back at Plumstead ended with a 2-1 win for Arsenal. One of the earliest pieces of footage from a Leicester match was away game at Sunderland in January 1907.

Leicester Fosse’s first visit to Arsenal on the opening day of the season on 6th September 1913 would be the very first competitive game played at Highbury. Leicester’s Thomas Benfield scored the very first goal at the ground, Arsenal however ran out 2-1 winners with George Jobey scoring Arsenal’s first Highbury goal and Archibald Devine grabbing the winner from the penalty spot with twelve minutes left. Leicester’s second visit to Highbury came on Boxing Day 1914 with a thumping 6-0 win for Arsenal. A few months later, an FA Cup third round tie between Arsenal and Leicester was captured by the newsreel. Arsenal ran out 3-0 winners.

During the 1930s, there were seventeen meetings between Arsenal and Leicester which brought seventy eight goals in total (an average of four goals a game). Examples of such high scoring games include Arsenal’s 8-2 win over Leicester at Highbury in October 1932, with a hat-trick for Joe Hulme, two goals each for Cliff Bastin and Ernest Coleman and one for David Jack. Arsenal banged in eight goals again a week before Christmas 1934 with a hat-trick apiece for Ted Drake and Joe Hulme, as well as two for Cliff Bastin in an 8-0 win for the Gunners. In 1938/39, the last season before the Second World War, Leicester finished rock bottom of the top tier.

The newsreel caught Leicester’s trip to Derby in mid-April that season, which ended in a 1-1 draw. The result left the Foxes one point above the drop zone, but with both sides below – Chelsea and Birmingham - with games in hand that they managed to pick up points from. Both remained unbeaten for the last four games of the season and a defeat at Grimsby the following week relegated Leicester to the Second tier. When Football resumed seven years later, Leicester’s visit to Newcastle in the FA Cup would be featured in the same Pathe News bulletin as NHS founder Nye Bevan presenting a Sportsman of the Year trophy to British Heavyweight Champion Bruce Woodcock.

The Foxes remained in the second tier until winning the second tier title in 1953/54. Leicester however dropped back down again the following season, the Foxes not enjoying a sustained period in the top tier again until winning the second tier title again in 1957 under the management of former Arsenal player David Halliday and spending most of the 1960s in the old First Division. In August 1958, Arsenal achieved a 5-1 win over Leicester at Highbury, with goals from Danny Clapton, Dennis Evans, Gordon Nutt and two for Cliff Holton. In November 1960, ITN cameras caught footage of an Arsenal Reserve game against Leicester City Reserves. The relevance of the game had been that it was the first time that contract rebel George Eastham turned out in an Arsenal shirt since signing for the Gunners from Newcastle.

Around a month later, Leicester would achieve their first ever win at Highbury and their first away win over the Gunners during the twentieth century. Goals from Colin Appleton and two for Ken Keyworth inflicted a 1-3 defeat on the Gunners, with Jackie Henderson on target for Arsenal. 1961 would of course be a year of significance for Leicester as, on top of reaching as high as sixth in the first tier, they reached the FA Cup Final beating Barnsley 2-1 in a Quarter Final Replay and Sheffield United in the second replay of the Semi Final at St Andrews, though losing to Spurs in the Final.

In late August 1961, Arsenal and Leicester would play out a 4-4 draw at Highbury. On target for the Gunners would be Mel Charles, George Eastham, Johnny McLeod and Alan Skirton, while Leicester’s goals came from Jimmy Walsh, Ken Keyworth and the excellently named Albert Cheesebrough. Leicester’s next visit to Highbury in September 1962 would be caught for posterity by the ITN cameras. The two sides played out a 1-1 draw with Joe Baker on target for Arsenal, Ken Keyworth again scoring for Leicester. Later that season, Leicester would reach Wembley again after beating Bill Shankly’s Liverpool 1-0 in the Semi Final at Hillsborough, however lose the final to Man United at Wembley.

In 1963/64, Leicester would achieve a double over Arsenal. At the end of August at Filbert Street, the Foxes would inflict a 2-7 defeat on the Gunners, of which Frank McLintock would be among the scorers. Back at Highbury a week before Christmas, another Frank McLintock goal against his future club Arsenal would be the difference as Leicester inflicted a 0-1 defeat on the Gunners. Incredibly, before McLintock signed for Arsenal in October 1964, he would line up for Leicester one more time against the Gunners at Filbert Street just a few weeks earlier, scoring both of the Foxes goals in a 3-2 win for Arsenal. Frank’s first side against his old side came at Highbury in January 1965.

The Gunners achieved a 4-3 win over Leicester, with goals from George Armstrong, George Eastham and two for Joe Baker. As well as Frank McLintock, Leicester of course provided England’s world cup winning goalkeeper in Gordon Banks. A little known fact about Banks is that his father ran a betting shop in the Yorkshire village of Catcliffe at the time when it was illegal and his disabled brother was once mugged for the shop’s daily takings and sadly died a few weeks later as a result of his injuries. Banksie started his League career at Chesterfield, which developed a reputation for producing great goalkeepers such as Bob Wilson, Steve Ogrizovic and John Lukic. Gordon Banks’s first game back at Highbury as a World Cup winner was a six goal thriller at the start of October in 1966.

Leicester inflicted a 2-4 defeat on Arsenal with George Graham scoring for Arsenal on his debut after joining from Chelsea. This however turned out to be Banks’s final visit to Highbury with Leicester, as Gordon was transferred to Stoke the following season. It seems baffling in hindsight that Leicester allowed the best goalkeeper in the world at the time to leave at the age of just twenty nine, with Leicester manager Matt Gilles telling Gordon: ‘we think your best days are behind you, and you should move on’. The background to the story however is that Banks had only been on £60 a week at the time of his transfer - which equates to around just under £1000.00 in today’s money - which may have been over three times what the average worker earned, but was a base rate figure at bigger clubs.

Luckily the Foxes had eighteen year old Peter Shilton waiting in the wings. In the close season of 1967 Leicester played a pre-season friendly against German’s Eintract Frankfurt, covered here by the newsreel with shots of a young Shilts in training. Shilts actually scored a goal for Leicester against his future club Southampton in a 5-1 win at the Dell in October 1967. It wasn’t all plain sailing for Shilton however, and on Boxing Day 1967 conceded an own goal by punching the ball into his own net in a 2-4 defeat at home to West Ham.

One of the highlights of the 1967/68 season had been a 2-2 draw with Leeds United at Filbert Street. Shilton’s first trip to Highbury came in April 1968, with Arsenal taking both points with a 2-1 win secured by goals from Bobby Gould and George Graham, while David Nish would be on target for Leicester. The latter went on to become the youngest captain of an FA Cup final side at the age of twenty three (although Tony Adams would be younger when he led Arsenal in the 1988 League Cup Final, but still not the youngest ever Wembley captain. That honour belongs to a twenty year old Barry Venison who captained Sunderland in the 1985 League Cup Final).

Leicester however lost the 1969 FA Cup Final, a defeat compounded by relegation to the Second tier. Leicester’s last visit to Highbury before the drop came in August 1968, when Arsenal ran out 3-0 winners with goals from David Court and two for Bobby Gould. Leicester finished their first season in the second tier in third place, just two points off of a promotion place. In 1970/71 the Foxes were in contention for promotion again. Despite being in the second tier, their young goalkeeper Peter Shilton would be called up to make his debut at Wembley in a 3-1 win over East Germany (the first of a record 125 caps). Also, this footage here captured a visit to Leicester’s training ground by midlands ITV regional Company ATV in February 1971.

A month later, the Foxes would be drawn against Arsenal in the FA Cup Quarter Final away at Filbert Street – a tricky tie considering that Leicester were in the running for promotion, just one point off of the top of the old Second Division. The tie ended in a 0-0 draw, meanwhile back at Highbury in the replay nine days later (just forty eight hours on from beating Crystal Palace in the League at Selhurst Park) a Charlie George header just before half time gave Arsenal a 1-0 win to secure a Semi Final tie with Stoke City.

Leicester however finished the season as Second tier champions, three points clear of Sheffield United in second place. As will be seen tomorrow, Leicester would spend most of the seventies in the top tier of English football, with quality players such as Frank Worthington, Keith Weller and Alan Birchenall.

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  1. Eejit

    Feb 13, 2016, 0:10 #83596

    Bojangles - The Twelve Pins has a landlady, not a landlord

  2. mbg

    Feb 12, 2016, 23:52 #83595

    jw, 88468, yes that is what any Arsenal supporter would be doing, but of course the AKB's don't support Arsenal FC, they support arsene fc.

  3. Mark from Aylesbury

    Feb 12, 2016, 19:47 #83586

    Jackerson - oh bless that's got you really excited. I agree he's a national treasure just like Eddie The Eagle and Tim Henman. They won **** all as well

  4. Jack

    Feb 12, 2016, 19:17 #83584

    Did anybody else watch Pointless earlier this evening and see Richard Osmond pay tribute to Arsene Wenger.One of the contestants even commented ''Everybody's favourite manager''Guadiola,Clough,Ramsey and Paisley were not even known by most of the contestants.I'd have loved to have seen the faces of some of the folk on here if they had watched it.Can't wait for the game on Sunday,my prediction 4-1 home win.

  5. Bojangles

    Feb 12, 2016, 18:39 #83581

    Caller: "Hello is this the police?" Operator: "Yes who is it please" Caller: "It's the landlord of the twelve pins we need assistance... Got a nutter in ere!" Operator: "What's happening? Caller: "Well first he started screaming and crying that none of his mates turned up. But it's got worse, he's standing on a table with his pants round is ankles singing Wenger wants him for a sunbeam. I think he thinks Wenger is Jesus. He's fecking nuts!" Operator: "Don't worry stay calm, try and move the other customers away, we'll send a van." Caller: "Yeah quick as you can please"...

  6. Mark From Aylesbury

    Feb 12, 2016, 15:49 #83567

    Jeff - I thought Brian was a right on pc leftie so cannot believe that he would not be marching demanding more affordable tickets for the common man.

  7. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 12, 2016, 12:57 #83560

    I think Westlower knows football, I just think it's part of his philosophy of support to say the football under Wenger has been the best ever played and the achievements the greatest they possibly could be and that football before he came along was almost all pub team football. It doesn't actually matter to him whether it's true or not, that's just his idea of loyalty.

  8. mbg

    Feb 12, 2016, 12:34 #83559

    How dare Amy Laurence that's her on the wengerites hit list now then.

  9. mbg

    Feb 12, 2016, 12:23 #83558

    Mark from Aylesbury, look out for an Andrew Ridgeley or George Michael lookalike.

  10. Westlower

    Feb 12, 2016, 12:22 #83557

    @Ron, You're a lousy judge of character, good job you don't punt. I probably haven't watched as much football as you but I've watched at least as many Arsenal games as you. I kept going through the lean years, so I must have loved most of it. Sometimes, not being in the relegation zone is an achievement, 1960/61 to 67/68, 74/75 to 76/77, 94/95. You must admit watching hairy arsed players alone isn't much of a spectacle. Nothing beats watching a tiny technician nut-megging a break yer legs, night-club bouncer type.

  11. Ron

    Feb 12, 2016, 11:25 #83556

    The premise behind every post of yrs Westie is that all football was pre 1996 was 'hairy arsed' defenders playing 'pub football' kicking 'lumps ' from one another. Im afraid yr the one who looks back and views all of the football as being inferior to the Arsenal 'brand' of today. Yr blinkers wont let you think otherwise. Nothing romantic at all on my part. If you think all of AFC s football under Wenger this last 20 yrs has been exhilarating and entertaining, then im afraid theres little option other than to deduce that you know little about the game and/ you've seen very little of it. Its a case of yr mind 'obliterating the mediocre'. Yr perceptions of modern football are so askew with reality its quite laughable at times. Anyway, that s me done. Off and away for the week end now and hopefully will get to see the Viola trounce the Nerazzuri. Have a good week end guys. 2-0 AFC on Sunday.

  12. jeff wright

    Feb 12, 2016, 10:27 #83554

    Instead of meeting up in the pub after the game the idiotic Colseyboy should be joining in the protests BEFORE IT against the sky high ticket price protest. However as we know from his past posts Colseyboy supports these prices ,as does his idol Arsene , what a coincidence ! Brian is also noticeable quiet about the fleecing of supporters by Stan and co aided by Arsene ,despite having posted some smug sanctimonious piffle about disliking the new corporate game . Come on Brian lets hear what you think about this campaign that is growing stronger by the day - with even old capitalist Dave in parliament voicing disapproval about the great ticket price rip-off - that Arsene condones - even ludicrously claiming that it is part of the modern game. Despite the financial figures proving that this is not true and tickets should be cheaper than what they are. For someone with an alleged degree in economics one would expect Wenger to be able to work that out. You couldn't make it up.

  13. Westlower

    Feb 12, 2016, 9:07 #83552

    @disguys, Your correct score prediction will make you £696 for a £1 stake. Best bets for the weekend based on past history are: Arsenal (4/5) at home have beaten Leicester 16 times from the last 18 games; Liverpool (20-23) at Villa have only lost one of last 18; MU (4/5) at Sunderland have lost one of last 13. The odds for a win treble is 5/1. @Ron, You're an old romantic by endlessly reminiscing about the good old days. The mind obliterates the mediocre events we witnessed and remembers the highlights. Some fantastic moments mixed with plenty of mundane stuff. The first four teams I saw play live in 1961 were Arsenal, double winners Tottenham, Frank McLintock's Leicester, the first team to beat TH at the Lane in 60/61 & Bobby Charlton's MU. Those four teams set the standards by which I came to judge others by. Above all, it's the game changing players who stick in the mind. At present, Arsenal have Sanchez & Ozil; Citeh have Aguero & Silva; TH have Erickson; MU have Rooney.

  14. Mark from Aylesbury

    Feb 12, 2016, 7:22 #83551

    Jack - the lover of all things Arsenal our own media darling Amy Lawrence has just voted for Leicester to win the title in the Guardian. I know even mentioning the Guardian will make you madder than a Trump . But I thought it should be my duty to inform you.

  15. disguys

    Feb 12, 2016, 5:05 #83550

    Prediction: Citeh3 Spuds1. Arsenal2 Leic3. Gave up dreaming weeks ago.

  16. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 11, 2016, 23:34 #83549

    Colesyboy, will you be coming as yourself or under one of your other guises on here?

  17. jeff wright

    Feb 11, 2016, 22:52 #83548

    Wake him before you go go... Colesyboy will be desperately sending up smoke signals next on Highbury Fields... he's obviously got no pals numbers on his mobile... or more likely no pals ... you couldn't make it up.

  18. mbg

    Feb 11, 2016, 22:07 #83547

    I didn't know George Michael had reformed wham.

  19. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 11, 2016, 21:08 #83546

    Twelve Pins pub. Meet at 2.30pm after the game on Sunday.

  20. Ron

    Feb 11, 2016, 20:41 #83545

    John - very true John. My Dad used to wax lyrical about Hulme Bastin and Hapgood as i was a skinny kid in the 60s. They seemed like demi gods but didn't seem to me to compare with the team i first saw getting beat as often as not in the mid 60s. The thing is mate it isnt just kids who deny fast flair and attacking football hadnt been seen before 1996. Read any of Westlowers posts and others too. My point is that Wengers brought nothing to football that hadnt been done before. Hes a creature of his own time like all of us. Hes made his mark at AFC for sure but in an epoch where there was one team could oppose him. As the goings got harder hes retreated and explains it for only partly true reasons. Hes still retreating.

  21. John Gage

    Feb 11, 2016, 20:28 #83544

    Ron: The main problem is a lot of the fans now were not even born at the time. I was told by my father of the great Ajax teams of 1971-1973 and of course the legendary Brazil team of 1970. But watching it on Youtube you just don't have the same emotional connection because its such a different context and era from when you were born. For me the benchmark was the Milan teams of the late 1980's Baresi, Donadoni, Maldini...etc and later the Ajax teams in the 1990's Kluivert, Litmanen, Blind...but before that it just feels like a history which I admire but can't really relate too.

  22. Mark From Aylesbury

    Feb 11, 2016, 19:34 #83543

    Jack some question for you. 1:) do you have a brother who is morbidly obese 2:) is your brother called Pete? 3:) does your brother exist? 4:) when you are off the lithium / meds, do you rant on about slaves, biblical prophesy and believe you are saved? 5:) what is a WOR? Is it like a WOB? Come jack/er/son... Tell us all is you like Jack to Jameson as Brian is to Badarse?

  23. CB

    Feb 11, 2016, 19:31 #83542

    Jack, why dont you and badarse circle each other, meld together and disappear up your combined black hole. The gravitational waves you emit wont be noticed.

  24. Jack

    Feb 11, 2016, 18:39 #83541

    The WOR are at it again praising up their beloved favoutite'teams'while slagging off everything Arsenal.It's about time these chameleons revealed their true agendas.Why hang around slagging something off you no longer have the balls to support.Totts and wham are crying out for 'glory fan tourists'like yourselves to fill their new theaters of comedy.

  25. mbg

    Feb 11, 2016, 18:07 #83540

    Ron, seven words in your post says it all, it's all so not football isn't it, (it's sad so many can't see it) just one of the reasons why so many of us are so pissed off and want wenger out, it's a pity others can't see it.

  26. Mark

    Feb 11, 2016, 17:18 #83537

    lets face it enjoyable watching Leicester; high pace, total commitment for 90 mins. Add in tactical brain of Claudio who's showing up to be quite smart right now how he is lining them up. Its going to be a tough game as Ozil and Alexis wont find space easily and Giraffou cant run anyway he makes Huth look quick. Mayeb Theo has a mad 5 mins in between blogging, A Listing parties, Hello magazine + Image polishing & sneaks one for us. If we lose then even 4th could be under threat. we need to win it for certain

  27. Badarse

    Feb 11, 2016, 16:35 #83536

    Lots of Gravitational Waves around today. Almost a mutual admiration society. Check out the concept of ripples in space-time jeff, you old astro-nought.

  28. Ron

    Feb 11, 2016, 16:34 #83535

    You have to accept JJ that Wenger exudes gallic charisma and charm, until of course he lets himself down when his real self exposes itself. Hes beguiled the media for years and the fans. We ve all been taken in to a point. He radiates erudition and precision of thought and ive no doubt hes clever too. Its all so 'not football' isnt it. Its carried him far. The situ now is that the veneer is taking its time to tarnish, but the underlying cracks have been there for years to see by those who've dared to look. The Wenger phenomena is a one off in football i venture but its given him an eminence that far greater Managers, achieving far more never experienced at all. Guardiola is progressing similarly along the same route to iconic status, but hes got the CV to boot.In truth its maybe the thing that irked so many of Wengers fellow Coaches so much so that they've disliked him intensely through their own jealousy.Lets be honest though, Wengers milked it to its hilt as hes clever enough to have realised whats gone down years ago. A French accent and gallic aloofness in England can carry one far, very far.

  29. mbg

    Feb 11, 2016, 15:36 #83532

    Clockend Mike, good post, your right about success then being earned, unlike now, two lucky FA Cups in ten years, and if we did win the prem this season would it have been earned ? would it fook.

  30. jjetplane

    Feb 11, 2016, 15:15 #83531

    Hilarious b- article in Guardian on Wenger who is compared with Joyce and Shakespeare and of course Bach and the sense of 'late style.' AKB heaven! No wonder they can't win anything. Don't mind a bit of the old late baroque myself. Red priests and all that!

  31. Paulo75

    Feb 11, 2016, 14:52 #83530

    Hoping for this line up on Sunday: Cech, Bellerin, Monreal, Coquelin, Gabriel, Koscielny, Ramsay, Ozil, Chamberlain, Sanchez, Giroud. Like everyone else have utmost admiration for what Leicester have done this season but if we dont win this one, especially at home, then we dont deserve the title.

  32. Ron

    Feb 11, 2016, 14:26 #83529

    Clock end - very true too. Those teams that contested the UEFA Cup were all solid and classy sides as well weren't they, regularly runners up down to 5th or 6th place sides every year and very challenging to the team that would go on to win the title each yr. In many ways the UEFA Cup whilst it lacked the glamour of the EC was just as tough to win i always thought. Tony - yes, Leics do bring Forest to mind dont they. Its so refreshing its been like a shot in the arm for the PL in my book and much needed. Re kindles a bit of faith in the old game here really. Cant you just tell how SKY/BT are squirming. A less than box office, 'pet' top 4 cartel club disrupting their programming and time worn tedious worship of the fave foursome. Their high fiving of the mega bucks culture is looking a bit stunted and tired right now isnt it. Brilliant.

  33. Alsace

    Feb 11, 2016, 14:10 #83527

    Leicester City, had a big sheet which fitted over their ground and which could be inflated in cold weather to create an envelope of air in which the ground staff could prepare the pitch in spite of the elements. I saw it on Blue Peter in the 1970's I think. Peter Shilton was in the programme I think. Otherwise the only memorable things about them are (1) Gordon Banks (2) Frank McLintock used to play for them. (3) The Very Revd Alan Smith (4) Ian Selley breaking his leg playing against them, (I think)(5) Their ground is named after some sort of nut. (6) Reasonably probable League Champions 2015-2016, showing that all the money and all the Bullshine is no substitute for a good coach and a fighting spirit. Incidentally, the bloke who thinks that if Spurs or Leicester win the League then Wenger will go is deluding himself. The people who own and run our club are only dimly aware that we have a rivalry with Tottenham Hotspur, and even a champions league win for them would be explained away. Only something negative on the profit and loss account could possibly drive him away.

  34. jeff wright

    Feb 11, 2016, 13:57 #83526

    Football today is more TV entertainment orientated than it was back in the 70s ,thus lots of 'great goals' are required to keep the viewers happy and not forgetting of course the 'expert pundits' prattling away and playing with their high tech gadgets back in the studio . The modern day whistle blower and his helpers are also media trained and conscious that every decision they make will be scrutinized and replayed TV by the 'expert pundits' .Later on ex-refs are introduced to give their views on major match result changing decisions made by the match officials. Or in our case the old chain smoking gin swilling fool Peter Hill-Woodentop is wheeled out to lecture on the cheating by opposition players that is stopping Arsene frnom winning games . Wenger himself however is no saint and uses his own underhand methods to try and gain an advantage in games by putting pressure on match officials with his constant ranting at them during games and afterwards -the result of all of that following on the alleged Costa diving incident in the Chelsea game was self evident - with no penalty given against Gabriel v Southampton for an obvious hand ball and the two footed red card tackle by flim flam on Sunday v Bournemouth only receiving a yellow one. Whereas the rules state very clearly that these sort of fouls are red card jobs and not yellow ones. Good old Arsene, but hey lets keep it clean against Leicester and give the 4th official a break Arsene -we wouldn't want to win by cheating now would we!

  35. Clockend Mike

    Feb 11, 2016, 13:53 #83525

    Ron - great couple of posts mate. The competitive nature and the quality of the teams from the late sixties to early eighties meant that any trophy success was well earned and well respected. The attitude now is that the League and FA Cup are viewed with derision (unless of course we win one and end a ten year drought) as the sole focus is on league position (4th place or better) with the reward of the gravy train of the Champions League to follow. When Liverpool were in their pomp I could not tell you who finished below them but what I can remember is that when they want off to challenge for the European Cup the rest of us were in the EUFA or Cup Winners which every team was up for. In 1980 when we lost two cup finals I think Brian Talbot played every game. Now, we are hearing the murmurings that as we have too many games (which ironically is what the top clubs covert anyway) this is giving Leicester an unfair advantage as they can keep their players fresh. If they win it, and if we cannot then I hope they do, then hopefully we will not have any of this "tiredness and too many games drivel" that gets spouted from the supposed big clubs. Enjoy Italy.

  36. Tony Evans

    Feb 11, 2016, 13:49 #83524

    Hi Ron - I could reminisce all day where the 70s are concerned. My favourite decade as I was a tad too young to really enjoy the 60s properly and I never took to the 80s at all. You're right about Ipswich - good side late 70s and I can just about forgive 'em for 1978! Also Forest under Clough and Taylor were a class act. Leicester are the new Forest aren't they, and I never thought I would see the like again. Hope you have a great time in Italy (you lucky bugger!). One of my favourite countries - especially the lakes and the Dolomites.

  37. jjetplane

    Feb 11, 2016, 13:40 #83523

    Excellent stuff Robert and the links are an adventure in themselves ... Good stuff also RON and ToNy who know how to give snapshots of football without the copied stats so beloved of resident AKB swats. Cue a post just being processed ....

  38. mbg

    Feb 11, 2016, 13:17 #83522

    Now here's an article worth reading.

  39. Ron

    Feb 11, 2016, 13:16 #83521

    Absolutely Tony. The QPR team only missed the title in 76 by a shade didnt they. McLintock led! Like you, i think the 70s was the pinnacle for football here and it showed didnt it as we took a hold on the EC from 77 onwards for 5 or 7 yrs. Ipswich played some dazzling football too didnt they late 70s early 80s. Forest were a neat side and counter attacked wonderfully well plus had a lot of gristle in their team. All of the truly outstanding teams then and now have had muscle and could impose themselves physically haven't they. Even Barca post 2008! Wenger exists in a bubble, tranced by his own imagination. You rightly mention Ajax. Krol, Neeskens and ari haan would all have steamrollered their grannies to get the ball.The great Juve side of the early 80s (one of the best but rarely mentioned too much sides i ever saw when they knocked Villa from the EC in 82 or 3) had Tardelli and Scirea in there scaring opponents to witless but both couldnt half play footie. Im off to Italy tomorrow as it happens. Hoping to get to the Viola s game v Inter if i can!! Batigol, still my hero despite what he did to big Tone ha. !!

  40. Peter Wain

    Feb 11, 2016, 12:53 #83520

    In the 1970 replay Leicester had a goal disallowed at the North Bank end when the score was 0-0. From memory looked a debatable decision

  41. Tony Evans

    Feb 11, 2016, 12:39 #83519

    Hi Ron - some top teams you mention there, and I couldn't agree with you more. That 68-74 City team played some great stuff with Bell pulling the strings, Summerbee out wide and a natural goal poacher, Frannie Lee, up front. I would personally add mid 70s QPR to your list with Stan Bowles and Rodney Marsh always good value to watch. In many ways I rate the 70s as a golden age for football: grounds were buzzing with atmosphere, there were some great characters on the pitch, plenty of decent stuff played but with a hard edge to it that the current bunch of Premiership pansies would run a mile from. Some superb European teams too like Ajax 1970-74 that could play a bit and who could forget Brazil circa 1970!

  42. Ron

    Feb 11, 2016, 12:22 #83516

    Yes they had a yr in the 2nd Div Jamie. They were back in the Cup Final by 76 though. The only 'hate' i ever detect on here is from the pro Arsene/present Board regime to be honest. You need to open yr eyes a bit i suggest. AFC neither win the top trophies nor do they play 'great' football very often. When they do, its more often than not when another team allows the the freedom of the Borough theyre playing in. Whats 'great' football anyway? I thought some of Peterboros was great last night. It couldnt have been though could it as theyre only a league 1 team and not managed by Arsene Wenger. Wake up and shake off yr yolk.

  43. Charlie George Orwell

    Feb 11, 2016, 12:21 #83515

    Thanks Robert - great job again. '...and Leicester!'

  44. Jack

    Feb 11, 2016, 11:59 #83514

    Man U were in the 2nd Division in 1975.We are always being told by the Wenger haters it's all about winning not playing great football.

  45. Ron

    Feb 11, 2016, 11:10 #83511

    Hi Tony - smashing side that was with Worthy Nish Garland Birchenall Sammela and Weller and Co. Mark Wallington in goal. He was quality keeper. He was briliant Worthy. His move to Liverpool didnt come off because of sone weird calf problem so he missed being at the very top. Great Leics side. I used to see them often. Sammmels played his best football for Leics. The Filbert St crowd loved him and Jimmy Bloomfield just let the flair players do their stuff. The two most entertaining teams ive ever watched were that Leics side and Atko s Albion of 78-82. Makes me laugh when today these pundits media, posters on here like Westlower etc and the newby Arsenal fans perceive football back then as all hack, kick and boot boy stuff. Clueless the lot of them. They've truly seen no football and if they did, they weren't looking properly were they. The Manchester City side of 68 - 74. Brilliant. Utd in the mid 70s with Coppell Hill and Pearson and Co. Wolves with Wagstaffe and Richards and Dougan etc al. Everton of 69 - 71 class. Smooth as a Rolls Royce . Lots of great teams to watch. The 'blinkered' today have never been so blinkered. They only have to You tube this stuff to learn too dont they. In my opinion the only difference is that players today are more athletically tuned and conditioned. Its come at the expense of how to control a football and brings the type of injury gremlins that sprint and middle distance runners face. I know what i preferred. The character make up of the players today is so different of course too isnt it. Most of these players today would s--t a brick and run to Mommy if somebody says says boo to them.

  46. Tony Evans

    Feb 11, 2016, 8:16 #83508

    Frank Worthington - always rated him and he joins a long list of flair players not given much of a chance in the England team during the 70s and much of the 80s. No wonder England were so ordinary; mind you nothing much has changed has it, as we don't actually have any quality flair players anyway now!