Well, Well, Welbz

Online Ed: Late, late winner against Leicester



Well, Well, Welbz


It ‘only’ meant two extra points, but the benefits of Danny Welbeck’s late winner against Leicester yesterday could, psychologically, be highly significant when the story of this season is written. Let us hope that is the case. It has been a long time since matches in May really mattered to Arsenal where the title race was concerned, too long for a club of their stature. Manchester City’s later defeat at home to Spurs meant that the Gunners are now the bookies’ clear favourites for the title. Were there signs yesterday that they might be paying out to those who backed Arsene Wenger’s team?

At times, one could not be sure. Leicester, let no-one deny, played very well, especially when they had their full complement of players on the field. They were sharp, organized, combative, zipping the ball around when they had their spells of possession and definitely cynical when they felt the need. That they pushed it a little too far meant that Martin Atkinson’s tolerance gave out and early in the second half, Danny Simpson picked up a second yellow and gave the home side a man advantage.

By this time, they had a one goal lead to protect. Many years ago, Robert Pires took advantage of a planted defender’s leg and won a penalty against Portsmouth, for which he was roundly condemned. Golden boy Jamie Vardy did it yesterday and the verdict of the ex-pro pundits was that he would have been a fool not to throw himself to the ground, and did the right thing for his team. How times change. These sort of incidents generally find the defender penalized, and so it was with Nacho Monreal. Vardy could have avoided him, but chose not to. He converted the resultant spot kick shortly before the interval.

The first half had seen Arsenal start brightly, but that faded and chances were few and not generally clear cut. Both keepers had decent matches and some excellent saves were seen over the course of the 90 minutes. As Leicester grew into the game, you could see why they were top of the league. There is no debate that Claudio Ranieri has forged a very effective unit, especially with their improvement defensively.

This made Arsenal’s job all the more difficult as they chased the game, although at least the threat of the counter attack was far lessened by the sending off. Danny Drinkwater was fortunate not to join Simpson in the dressing room with a potential leg breaking challenge on Aaron Ramsey. Significantly in the first half, the Welshman seemed reluctant to go for a 50/50 with Casper Schmeichel racing out of his area that might have seen the keeper himself dismissed. He has mitigating circumstances.

Arsenal took off Coquelin (whose return to the starting eleven was very welcome) for Walcott and dropped Oxlade-Chamberlain into Le Coq’s position. With a thicket of bodies to beat, the team varied their tactics and went for the percentage football of high balls into the box for Giroud to either head towards goal or knock down to colleagues. It worked, as the Frenchman set up Theo Walcott for the equalizer with a deft knockdown. The number 14 did not have time to think, which is always when he does best and slotted the ball past Schmeichel.

The stadium was in full voice and the players responded, creating constant danger, although Leicester defended very well to minimize the clear cut chances. The match end stats showed 24 Arsenal attempts on goal of which only 25% were on target. That is an area that needs some attention.

Substitutions very much shaped this game. Walcott’s entrance led to the first Gunners’ goal. Danny Welbeck made a welcome return to action after his last appearance in April 2015 and it was a case of cometh the man, cometh the moment. But only after a rather foolish challenge by the Foxes’ own sub Wasilewski gave the home side a free kick as the ref was thinking of blowing his whistle. Ozil’s delivery was perfect and Welbeck showed how to guide a glancing header past the keeper. Delirium followed. Thierry Henry stated he had not seen the stadium erupt like that since Arshavin’s winner against Barcelona in 2011, although his own comeback goal against Leeds in the FA Cup the following season also comes to mind. Certainly, there haven’t been enough moments of this kind of elation since the stadium move and it is for such moments supporters follow the team. The stuff of which memories are made.

I looked around the field at 0-1 when Leicester seemed to be comfortably controlling Arsenal’s threat. Walcott was on for Coquelin by that stage and I said to my neighbour – they are all ‘nice guys’ out there as far as those in red and white shirts were concerned. Leicester anything but. Huth, Vardy, Drinkwater. Journeymen? Cynics? Call them what you will, but only one side, at that stage, looked like a team that would win the league title.

However, Arsenal kept going, varied their tactics, and came up with the goods. If they are to confirm the bookies’ view as the most likely club to take the crown in May, they are going to have to do that again more than once before the season’s out. Critically though, the experience of doing it against the league leaders, of taking the opportunity when it really mattered, could well prove a very significant moment.

For their momentum, it is unfortunate that they now have an FA Cup tie with what will be very much a shadow team, and then the small matter of Barcelona. However, there might not be a better time to play Manchester United than now, and it’s been too long since Arsene Wenger had a Premier League win at Old Trafford. If Arsenal can go there and take three points, then their odds would shortened further. They have last season’s FA Cup quarter final victory as confirmation they can do what’s required up there.

The bookies have Manchester City best priced at 15/2 to win the title. With Kompany returning to action, those are generous odds for a side only six points behind the leaders who have been round the track before when it comes to title run-ins. It’s still very much a four horse race in the opinion of this observer. But one in which Arsenal have a very good chance. Arsene Wenger got his substitutions right yesterday, and credit to a much-maligned manager where in-game tactics are concerned for doing that. Let us hope there is life in the old dog yet.

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  1. jeff wright

    Feb 18, 2016, 12:55 #83988

    Six seems like a bit of a belligerent sort - rather angry and self opinionated and full of it . Six must be his mental age - so I will cut him some slack - due to that .He warns that my views on Arsene not winning the league or Champions league are wrong ,at least I think that this is what he implies, when commenting on posts I made and mbg on the last thread when claiming that these will come back to haunt us. So then Six what about the views of those such as Mr Bossy Boots - who also do not- and where are your own views on this Six to be found - along with such as Colseyboy and co >? Few of us are blessed with physic vision and have to make due with guessing at what will happen in the future by using what ever evidence there is available to base our predictions on. We can all be proven right using hindsight .In your case Six I suspect that even with that available you would still get things wrong.

  2. six

    Feb 17, 2016, 23:50 #83974

    the last 2 posts will come back to haunt Jw jnr and Jw snr.

  3. mbg

    Feb 17, 2016, 12:55 #83919

    You can just imagine the uproar, the whinging, excuse making, conspiracy theories from the AKB's if Leicester would have equalised after we scored what turned out to be the winner, there certainly would have been to much injury time played then i'll bet.

  4. jeff wright

    Feb 17, 2016, 11:04 #83909

    The question by the pompous Caesar is just silly then again his comments usually are . Of course I want us to win the league and the champions league as well,I just don't believe that Wenger will do it though and we would have more chance of doing so with a manager who was more motivated to win trophies than to make profits. Will you and Caesar be calling for Arsene to resign if he fails to win the league this season - when it was obvious that he had a great chance to do so but blew it again with his mismanagement >? No you won't do because you support Arsene despite his ever on-going failures. I just point these out-while you and others make excuses for them. In the meantime why not join those who want to see better referring in games that will benefit everyone instead just backing these inept whistle-blowers when their decisions happen to favor us.When the next major one doesent do so I will complain about it-you have no right to do that though. You couldn't make it up.

  5. GoonerRon

    Feb 17, 2016, 10:36 #83907

    @ Jeff - you couldn't be more wrong, I want Arsenal FC to succeed no matter what. Based on your postings you just want Wenger to fail irrespective of what it means for the club. Your lack of response to Augustus' very simple question on the Wanyama article is deafening.

  6. jeff wright

    Feb 17, 2016, 10:06 #83906

    GR, leaving aside all of the hysterical parochial nonsense in your post - the reality is that it's all about ARSENE really for you and proving that he is right . You couldn't make it up.

  7. Bard

    Feb 17, 2016, 7:10 #83902

    This whole debate is pointless. Wenger hasnt bought a DM since Gilberto retired so he clearly doesnt think they are necessary. He stumbled on the Coq because everyone else was injured and will stick with him. Whether he is good enough is irrelevant, the whole point is he is cheap.

  8. Radfordkennedy

    Feb 17, 2016, 6:15 #83900

    Badarse.....apologies Neddy Seagoon it would appear I mis-read an earlier post,a senior moment it would seem

  9. Badarse

    Feb 16, 2016, 20:59 #83893

    Evening Radford/kennedy long time buddy but still good to connect. I don't know what happened there but I had no criticisms of anything you posted buddy, either you misread or I sleep-walked into something daft. Anyway on the subject of enforcers I am with you all the way. We have had such a complement of really good tough tackling solid defensive midfielders at AFC that I feel it would be a crime to have a Neanderthal. Le Coq is a perfect example, quite slim, athletic but will never give in. This boy Mo, a good looking kid with football in his feet, even way back the snout was a very good footballing anchor man, so too Eddie Kelly. These are the types I would plump for, but I guess there is a shortage of those out there, mirror thinking of AW?. I do feel that AW may feel we are covered now, perhaps is thinking in that way, but who knows, he may think like mbg, and has just put his socks on over his wellies.

  10. Radfordkennedy

    Feb 16, 2016, 18:56 #83887

    Colesyboy.....let's be honest most of these pundits still have L&R in their shoes and will say whatever the shows producer tells them to say when off air, I much prefer the opinions of the fellas in my local at least they're not being paid to deliberately talk cobblers......and yes mate Raddy and Ray still are heroes to me, what was it Charlie said ' Ray was so big it took a week to walk round him'

  11. mbg

    Feb 16, 2016, 18:16 #83882

    jw, the AKB's resorting to insults again I see, (nothing new there) what planet is this one from anyway.

  12. GoonerRon

    Feb 16, 2016, 18:06 #83881

    @ Jeff - oh dear oh dear. I can just imagine you towards the end of the game: "Get it this corner cleared Leicester, yes great header away, BLOW YOUR WHISTLE REF, IT DOESN'T MATTER ONLY 3m 40s of the (MINIMUM) 4mins have passed. That's never a foul, DIVE MONREAL! A yellow for Wasilewski? Are you kidding, our Wassy wouldn't hurt a fly, it should be a caution for simulation that slimey Spaniard. Hit the first man with the free kick Ozil please, ACCORDING TO RULE 7 AS SOON AS HE KICKS IT REF YOU'VE GOT TO BLOW. Blow ref, blow, he's kicked it. CLEAR IT. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Offside, foul, time is up, ANYTHING. Just don't let the goal stand. BOOK ALL THOSE ARSENAL PLAYERS FOR GOING INTO THE CROWD. Look at all those Arsenal supporters, 57,000 people they're only cheering through relief that Wenger has got away with it again. I ****ing hate Wenger. At least the mighty Spurs might win later though. Weep.

  13. mbg

    Feb 16, 2016, 17:58 #83879

    Clockend Mike, maybe there was an imaginary trophy none of us seen, it would explain all the selfies, celebrations, and renditions in the dressing room, it wouldn't be the first time.

  14. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 16, 2016, 17:54 #83878

    Fair play RK, but for the pundits to deem it ok is just wrong in my eyes. It is cheating. Anyways Radford and Kennedy was a great partnership.

  15. Radfordkennedy

    Feb 16, 2016, 17:10 #83877

    Colesy boy.......nothing I post on here is ever intended to be considered for the Turner Prize, just the musings and occasional rants of an Arsenal fan, why you should consider my comments about Vardy as sad I don't know,you're old enough to remember Rodney Marsh treading on his own foot to get a penalty,Worthington punching the ball in at what looked like a diving header,and in modern times Drogba and Rooney looking as though they've been taken down by a Glock 17 with Mercury tipped rounds, there's nothing new under the sun mate,this fair play cobblers they promote shake hands before the game ...what nonsense 5 minutes later any player worth his wages will do everything he can to win , and so he should. I respect your views Colesy but I just can't understand why so many on here are treating Vardy as if he'd passed wind at the last supper......Baddie my comments regarding an enforcer doesn't necessarily mean a hairy arsed thug who will potentially wreck someone's career ,more in the mould of a Lauren or Mickey T who would have had a quiet word in their ear informing them of the error of their ways .

  16. jeff wright

    Feb 16, 2016, 17:04 #83876

    That is so wrong Diving Rooney, the ref can blow up at anytime when he feels that the time he has added on is up. Rule 7 says: Other than when the ball is in the air -or a penalty spot-kick has been given.Then he must blow up after it has been taken and the game is then deemed to be over.The ref can blow up though for the game to end on corners and free-kicks when the ball is on the ground - if the ref thinks that time is up and they have often done so. It's best to understand the rules of the game first if you are going to try and use them to make a point Diving.. The ref allowed the 4 minutes to run over and into the sixth minute before blowing his little tin whistle for an end to hostilities. Fear not though because things will get evened up at Old Trafford - then you can come on here and moan about the injustice of it all. You couldn't make it up.

  17. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 16, 2016, 16:49 #83874

    Too much ninth tier hoof ball jeffjunior, leaves you in dreamland. Another match winning assist from Ozil, see training with Bobby does help, but what would you know about quality, unless it was chocolate wrapped. When we are the beneficiaries of any referee's errant decisions let me know, but that means you will have to actually go to a game as the highlights never show the full coverage. As a complete hater of Arsenal football club, as it stands, how does it make you feel that your idol Bobby is training with the team on a daily basis?

  18. divingrooney

    Feb 16, 2016, 16:43 #83873

    Which planet do these blind f**kers stay on. The foul on Monreal took place at 93 min 40 sec. So, full 20 secs were remaining of the added time. No referee can blow the whistle for full time when a free kick has been given with time remaining. i am not sure why it is called a favour by referee.

  19. Clockend Mike

    Feb 16, 2016, 16:31 #83872

    colesyboy - thanks.

  20. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 16, 2016, 16:19 #83869

    Sincere apologies Clockend, meant to be for RadfordKennedy that remark.

  21. jjetplane

    Feb 16, 2016, 16:07 #83866

    Must say the Totts were the most impressive on 'super Sunday' though of course that was one dodgy penalty they still look all over the pitch and in the dug out the best team in the country. Ozil was missing again and Sanchez (looks bored - new Arshavin) and highlights and fake tan Olly's contributions were to gang up and have a player sent off. Goes to show Arsene Fc are like the rest of the PL and if there is a chance of influencing the referee these little men are well up for it. They are a mirror of their spent coach and perhaps the likes of Sanchez and thumb sucking good Ozil (player of the year ha ha!) are beginning to tread water as others have done under his directionless regime. Apart from that Arsene FC (used to be a club) appear as capable of any of the top four of nicking Big Ears. Trouble is with Arsene FC fighting on so many fronts it will take something superhuman to win well .... anything! Did you know that was Leicester's first red since .... Dirty bastards and as for that Vardy and Mahrez - we don't want them here! while Theo and Ozil are 'assisting' and er talking .... lol! Wondering if the 12 Pins was still open .. that used to be a good pub too. that was a good thing in Bobby's game - he knew how to wing the ****ers up - oh and mastermind titles. Wonder what he thinks of Ozil ..... Later face buzzers and if you dislike this site so much Colsey why are you always on here after a win moaning about Kevin et al? Ever thought of getting a pen pal in China - yagunners.com

  22. Bard

    Feb 16, 2016, 16:05 #83865

    Exeter; re the money issue. Wenger is quite capable of saying one thing one minute and having a different view 10 mins later, so I dont think you will get much change re the fact that 2 of the top 4 dont have a pot to p*** in. His pronouncements re top keepers was a good example. Remember many on here will buy anything he says. Westie was waxing lyrical a while back when Wenger was mouthing off about Sanogo being the next best thing.

  23. mbg

    Feb 16, 2016, 16:03 #83864

    It took him five hours to come up with that, what was it anyway.

  24. mbg

    Feb 16, 2016, 15:52 #83862

    Exeter Gunner, good post, they deserve credit now and deserved it weeks months ago, and quite rightly got it while others sneered claiming it would never last, and even if they don't last and do collapse (something Arsenal fans cant and shouldn't sneer about having done it many times ourselves but no doubt some will having forgotten that like everything else) they'll still deserve all the credit they'll get.

  25. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 16, 2016, 15:24 #83860

    A quote from Badarse: "The attempt to try to change words, whether to describe those you disagree with or my online monicker, is a failure, believe me on that one, more it is puerile" Some further quotes: "the WOR", "Mark the Nark". Not clever enough to read minds, but clever enough to recognise hypocrisy, a singular failing on his part. Hence the continuing own goals.

  26. mbg

    Feb 16, 2016, 15:24 #83859

    RadfordKennedy, your right about the enforcer or at least someone who can hold his own, sadly we haven't got one and haven't had for years, again back to OGL and his little pansy technicians philosophy if they did try a little payback they injure themselves and are out for months their that fragile (not that it makes much difference mind) so them and their old fraud of a manager would rather remonstrate and complain. And then his followers take up the mantle against the big bad bullies and whinge and complain even more. You couldn't make it up.

  27. mbg

    Feb 16, 2016, 15:05 #83858

    Doctor Jimmy gooner, when I need and want advice from you i'll be sure to ask, but I appreciate it wasn't a f**k off down the lane post and the fact you recognise I am an Arsenal supporter unlike certain AKB's who can't distinguish the difference between the two and who are fond of using the lane quote when some don't worship they're messiah like they do.

  28. Badarse

    Feb 16, 2016, 14:29 #83857

    Griff: So why are you wearing a red and yellow scarf?-Mel: Melchester Rovers.-G: But you're a Gooner like me.-M: Not anymore, I am going back to my roots. Pure football, not even the contaminated 9th tier variety, and definitely no Sky.-G: So why Melchester?-M: Well I tried the black scarf movement but a Gooner punched me on the nose for supporting Mike Riley's lot.-G: So it was Roy Race and his team; but Mel, they aren't real.-M: That doesn't stop us.-G: Who are us?-M: The WOR. We want a purer non-commercialised club. A team that fights and kicks other players. They have to have very hairy bottoms and kick the ball in the air a lot-that's the only sky we want to see-when we peer up into the floodlights looking for it. They have to be of Olympic diving standards-it's what the fans want, lots of dubious penalties. Cold showers after the game, no rest just train, play, train and play-G: That's all a bit contradictory, isn't it?-M: No. See, we have dear old Blackie heading them in.-G: What is he an African player?-M: No, Blackie Gray-they are all hearts of oak, this septic isle, upstanding yeomen of England, types.-G: We used to sing 'Blackie Gray, he's so gay, he liked the Parson's nose, and...-M: Stop! They hadn't invented gays back then. It was all blonde hair and blue eyes, square jaws, steely looks. And I liked being informed, not like at Arsenal.-G: What do you mean?-M: Speech and thought bubbles. We should have them at Arsenal. I always knew what Roy was thinking.-G: Like when?-M: Well when he knew the Beastbourne centre half couldn't keep his knees together as someone had stolen his saddle outside Bejams; he was inside buying frozen pizza bases. Roy knew he had to cycle to the ground, then saw his chance and in the last minute deftly nut-megged him, scoring the winning goal.-G: That's all fiction, anyway how on earth can you ever know what people are thinking?-M: Well we have some clever WORs, many know what Arsene is thinking so they can perhaps concentrate more on the players, and tell the other fans how to react; it's what we try to do on the Online Gooner, so we have had lots of practise.

  29. Jimmy Gooner

    Feb 16, 2016, 13:53 #83855

    Exeter - Completely agree and certainly did not mean to challenge your view. I think it was just the order in which I was reading some of the comments and the disconnect between differing views stood out which made me chuckle. Resources *should* make a difference, whether they do or not depends on how you use them and therein lies our problem, but also Chelsea's, Man City's, Man United's and, to a lesser extent, Liverpool's.

  30. jeff wright

    Feb 16, 2016, 13:37 #83854

    As it happens I did condemn the foul on Ramsey and said the culprit that it it should have been sent off ,but hey since when did letting the truth stand in the way of a good story count on here! My views on match officials cover all of the decisions they make in games ,including the Clattenburg favouring the spuds ones in two games against City . I express my views impartially having long ago given up unilaterally supporting our specialist in failure. I give them for or against us without favour -unlike the silly Caesar salad and the multi- name and user of others ones poster - odd-ball Caesar Salad's pal cheesy Coleslaw - these pair of dimwits have their heads stuck so far up Arsene's rear end that they can't see for looking at what is really being said by others who do not share their own - always proven wrong - parochial views on Arsene. It's down to these sort that Wenger is still at AFC treading water and left to them will still be with us when he is 70! You couldn't make it up.

  31. mbg

    Feb 16, 2016, 13:36 #83853

    AKB's still whinging about Vardy, even after we won, and after the referee evened it up to help us win the game and enable their messiah to come up smelling of roses again. You couldn't make it up, as Ron has pointed out as far back as yesterday if one of our players had the chance to do the same there'd be up roar if he didn't, and when he had it'd would have been gamesmanship and he'd have been a hero. Get over it, as AKB's keep telling and quick to point out to some We Won, and another favourite is lets brush ourselves down and move on from this, Try heeding your own advice.

  32. Clockend Mike

    Feb 16, 2016, 13:26 #83851

    colesyboy – when did I say that I supported gamesmanship in the modern footballer? I am not sure I said or implied that. My postings on this thread have been about not getting over excited about one win, and about keeping perspective about what lies ahead.

  33. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 16, 2016, 13:05 #83848

    colesyboy, the big problem you have is you don't appear to possess the subtlety of mind between the decisions of those that run the game and the game itself, such as on plans to make it a closed shop (you will no doubt support this, should it happen). This lack of ability to make distinctions also means you view protests against e.g. rising ticket prices as 'vilification of AFC' itself rather than those who make these decisions at the club. If you feel so 'positive' about the way the game is going, I'm not sure why you spend your time getting het up with those that don't, going as far as posting under other names, including those of regulars on here. It's obsessive, unhealthy behaviour. Why not just turn on your Sky Box and bask in the 'experience' - it's all going the way you want it to so why make yourself so unhappy with what others think?

  34. mbg

    Feb 16, 2016, 13:03 #83847

    jw,88725, good post, anything to big up they're messiah, so hopefully that's straightforward and simple enough for them, but I doubt it.

  35. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 16, 2016, 12:42 #83845

    AugustusCaesar, watch out mate, you will incur the wrath of the ever clueless jeff know it all wright. He might call you sunbeam. His agenda is clear but it's always good to stuff his one eyed points of view down his throat every so often, as the website admin certainly doesn't. As for supporting gamesmanship in the modern footballer, Clockend Mike, very sad indeed. Jeffjunior's hero Bobby did it against Portsmouth, in almost identical fashion and was hung out to dry for quite a long time. Vardy though is praised for doing what had to be done. Many others on here no longer go or even it appears care about football anymore, yet continue to post about the future of the game, carefully placing their anti Arsenal agenda within the framework of their words. Not sure what the point is, writing about something you used to love but now loathe. The Twelve Pins is a good pre and post match venue, sure beats the majority on here sitting at home hoping we lose so they can continue their agenda of gloom. Yagunnersya.

  36. anthony walters

    Feb 16, 2016, 12:35 #83843

    we lose playing around a third of the match v 10 men wenger brings on 2 subs they score some so called fans on here say we are lucky.flamini does an awful tackle they confemn him drinkwater far worse not the same vilification.we play chelsea most of the match with 10 men lose the manager is clueless the team gutless.some say they are realists but anyone can find fault in anything if they have a 100 per cent negative mindset.last week the manager and club were slaughtered over a transfer .a player some may ask ?no a coach some may ask?no a SCOUT!!!!win the league or not the manager will make mistakes as all do and deserves facing the sack if necessary. fergie the greatest made a fair few -kleberson, stam leaving too early ,veron pogba.the criticism of mertesacker and flamini a good squad stand in also way over the top our defensive record is second best in the league .giroud is constantly ridiculed yet the last two matches worked tirelessly for the team and laid on two goals for teamates.if we don't win the title it'll probably be us not scoring enough around the team as most champions do as opposed to one prolific striker .often people only see what suits their own bias or agenda i accept consructive criticism of wenger and the team but not total character assasination.

  37. Radfordkennedy

    Feb 16, 2016, 12:34 #83842

    Ron....unique for sure mate on the show they called Chapman the' electric goat' for his vocal style....Stone The Crows were on forgotten what a voice Maggie Bell had

  38. Ron

    Feb 16, 2016, 12:18 #83841

    EG - I saw last week the even dafter notion being geuinely floated that CL qualification would be governed by the respective TV viewing figures that each Club has. The cartel, here and abroad are all in a fluster thats for sure. I say c'mon Leics, do it for the genuine footie fans, those that are left anyway.

  39. Tony Evans

    Feb 16, 2016, 12:06 #83840

    Just read some analysis on the top four's title chances and yet again for Arsenal it was mentioned that it is 12 years since we last were champions. No mention of course that it is now 55 years since the Spuds last managed a title. I shouldn't let it annoy me but it does!

  40. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 16, 2016, 12:05 #83839

    Ron - yes I saw that. The best thing about the FAC these days is that it gives little clubs the chance to make enough cash to keep them going for the year, but there's no space for that concern as far as the dominant clubs are concerned. Put it together with talk of making CL qualification automatic for the biggest clubs on the justification that 'those are the teams people want to see' and we see the competitive element gradually being eroded all together. It will be all about the 'experience', the 'privilege' of seeing the top names on your telly. I'd imagine this is provoked, in the UK at least, by the cartel not having it all their own way this season. I'd like to think this would cause the bubble to burst too. Sadly, as you can infer from some of the comments on here, there'll still be plenty that would buy, starry eyed, into the neutered product.

  41. AugustusCaesar

    Feb 16, 2016, 11:49 #83837

    This forum borders on self-parody at times. Only here can you see Arsenal fans highlighting what they regard as poor refereeing decisions that go FOR them because it substantiates their negative opinions about the manager and the team. Even to the point where they are completely wrong about said refereeing decisions (witnessed here with these tenuous comments about the added time). I think what's worse though is that the likes of Jeff Wright won't bemoan a decision that goes against us and highlight this as a reason why we drew or lost a game. He'll just go back to his dossier of Wenger faults and trot one of those out. He'll reframe the argument to suit his agenda. That's why arguing with him on here is pointless.

  42. jeff wright

    Feb 16, 2016, 11:47 #83836

    The thing with resources is surely how you use them .Wenger doesn't use them to try and benefit us on the field of play - but instead hoards cash for Stan to help pay his 3m a year div and his own high over inflated wages - that judged on trophies won ,or rather not won,over the past 10 years.It was Wenger who claimed for donkey's years that other clubs had more money than he had and thus he could not compete with them because of that. It seems to me that Exeter is entitled to question why it is then that Wenger is now struggling to compete with Leicester and the spuds who have less resources than he does.And if, as Wenger NOW claims you don't need big money to compete (jesus wept how can anyone take this clown seriously!) then why is he still struggling to win the league. Because in a season like this one with City and especially Chelsea having not performed earlier on in the first half of it ,we should be over the hill and gone regarding the title . As was Chelsea under Mourinho at this stage last term . In fact we have the same points as last season and have shown no improvement at all and failed from day one in the league despite all the early pre-season ballyhoo and hype - losing at home 2-0 to WHU. I suspect more grief for Wenger from Bilac's side to come at the Boleyn , and we were fortunate to scrap a draw at home against the spuds as well with the away day at the lane of shame to come shortly . Toss in United away,Everton away,Sunderland away and City second last game and as I said before we will do well to get third place .It's more than likely that City will steam past us as they did last season . Wenger's failure to strengthen in the summer and his predictable tactics ensured that we had no hope of winning the league even when it was offered up on a plate for us .The opening day defeat at home to WHU was the harbinger of doom to come for our title hopes Sorry about the reality check but it must be done... Good old Arsene.

  43. Ron

    Feb 16, 2016, 11:45 #83835

    EG - i heard some where on the radio this morning that the FAC is going to abandon replays and play all ties in midweek under new plans to protect the little mites from having to work so hard. May as well sign off the FACs deaths warrant and be done with it really. Another floorboard sized nail in footballs coffin, especially for the lower league Clubs. ( id love to see some of these PL footballers on daily exercise and learn what genuine physical stress/drainage involves). These 'top' clubs inc AFC are gradually shaping football to suit their own desires totally. Hopefully the whole thing will go over the cliff edge before they succeed.

  44. Ron

    Feb 16, 2016, 11:35 #83834

    RK - Good band were 'Family'. Saw them twice at the De Montford Hall in Leics back in the day. They were a Leics band. Bloke named Chapman was lead vocalist. Unique sound.

  45. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 16, 2016, 11:26 #83833

    Jimmy Gooner, there isn't one block opinion on here, perhaps that's the source of your confusion. My opinion is, of course resources matter. Of course Chelsea and the Manchesters have that advantage which they are spectacularly failing to capitalise on this season. But Wenger and his acolytes can't spend years saying 'We cannot compete' with those clubs, then start making excuses when clubs with a lot less than AFC manage it (or in Wenger's case, rather than holding his hands up, trying to make out it's some sort of validation of him not spending - perhaps he's the one that needs to clarify his position). The point is, if Leicester or Spurs do win it, let's not hear any weak excuses about refs or fouling or fixture lists etc. They have a huge resource disadvantage compared to AFC so will deserve all the credit for massively overachieving.

  46. AugustusCaesar

    Feb 16, 2016, 11:23 #83832

    Why is everyone banging on about the time? The free kick was given prior to the (standard) four minutes added time. Monreal was down getting treatment prior to the free kick being taken which is why the clock ran over. Fair goal. Take your feckin' blinkers off!

  47. Radfordkennedy

    Feb 16, 2016, 11:05 #83831

    Morning all....personally I thought it a brilliant bit of opportunism by Vardy and anyone who wouldn't want an Arsenal player to do the same when chasing the title is kidding themselves. Once again the lack of an enforcer in our ranks allowed them to take liberties with absolutely no fear of a comeback, and some shocking officiating only encouraged them to keep bullying us. I thought that the lad Morgan in the heart of their defence was mustard no chance of him closing his eyes and body in the face of an attack, but fair play to us for keeping going to the end.incidently did anyone else see the conversation between Hart and Kane just before the penalty , now I'm not suggesting anything untoward was happening but do you think Hart might have said' remember the plan I go to my right and you put it down the middle' then we all collect.....Badarse with you on your comment about technology but can't help feeling that the football Mafia would be petrified that the cartel clubs wouldn't make it to the CL if they stopped getting homer decisions or the benefit of the doubt and one of the perceived lesser clubs made 4th or the final of a major event........on an aside did anyone see on bbc4 recently a programme called' totally British 70's Rock n roll' some great stuff on it Mott the Hoople fantastic stuff, but a band called Family were on what on earth was going on there,

  48. Clockend Mike

    Feb 16, 2016, 11:04 #83830

    We can talk about the minutes added on and whether or not the PL is wonderful but as of today we have won nothing. What frustrates me and I suspect a lot of others is the over the top celebrations after winning one game, which in the whole context of the season will mean nothing if we do not win the title. I suspect this season will go down to the wire with final day results determining who will come out on top. With that in mind these players should be focussed solely on the next game because for every last minute victory against Leicester there is a potential banana skin against the likes of Norwich.

  49. Jimmy Gooner

    Feb 16, 2016, 10:33 #83828

    We need to get our facts (actually opinions) straight. Do resources matter or not? There’s been plenty of comment on here that Leicester in particular, and Spurs to a lesser degree (they are always to a lesser degree aren’t they?) are blowing Wenger’s theory about how much money matters out of the water. Most of us having been of the view that we should have been able to compete more than we have with Chelsea and the Manchester clubs despite the relative resources. Yet, now Exeter Gunner has said “If AFC can't beat those two to the title with the enormous resource advantages they have over them, there is NO excuse for it.” Which is it? I’m confused!

  50. Mark From Aylesbury

    Feb 16, 2016, 10:18 #83826

    Jimmy Gooner - I get where you are coming from there I think everybody wants the same thing which is a display of good performances when the heat is on and a title. Not sure anyone thinks Barcelona is going to be anymore than a sideshow. It a case of are you Rock and Roll (want him gone sooner) or more Schubert ( still wanting to way up the balances and worried about downward instability post his leaving) my concern is with an element who are more Brahms and Lizt and hang around pubs in Finsbury Park causing trouble.

  51. Westlower

    Feb 16, 2016, 10:14 #83825

    @Badarse, I was so chuffed at spelling phenomenon correctly, that I forgot to finish the sentence. That's the problem with ageing, I can only focus on one word at a time these days. I especially like to focus on my favourite word - winner!

  52. jeff wright

    Feb 16, 2016, 10:13 #83824

    GR, I was referring to Leicester wasting time , as they were the ones who stood to benefit from doing so and not us. Without belaboring the point though I have to point out that Colesyboy's figures on the added time played showed that we wasted one minute of it after Danny Boy scored - albeit 40 + seconds past the 4 minutes added originally by Uncle Tom Cobblers or who-ever using his magic stop-watch - by having players jumping into the crowd to kiss and cuddle spectators and one another. This time wasting was not added on by the ref however because as Colseyboy showed he blew up 45 seconds later after the mad euphoric antics had ceased ,well until they got into the changing room and cracked open the Champers that is... . As I said to our space correspondent on Blackholes and time travel Brainy Brian - is there life on Mars... this added on time played is all rather arbitrarily worked out in how it is decided .It's getting to be like Fergie Time now though at the Emirates and we all know how much some of the AKB's used to love that.But hey whatever suits Arsene and his illusions wot! In reality we will do well to finish third even with that result .Never mind though we are in the top 4 in our top league - so gung-ho ! It's time to teach those Spanish a lesson when they arrive with their knees knocking shaking with fear .. . Good old Arsene.

  53. Jimmy Gooner

    Feb 16, 2016, 10:08 #83823

    We need emoticons (or whatever they are called) on here so I could use the applause one for GoonerRon's responsee to mbg (Post 88705). Spot on and I do think it's a shame mbg's obvious and intense dislike for the manager means he was unable to enjoy Danny's last minute winner like the rest of us. You might want to think about taking an extended break from the game until Wenger is gone. Please don't take that as me telling you to "f off down the lane" or anywhere else for that matter, I just wonder whether if you stopped watching the games, you might find you miss it more than you thought you would or alternatively find something else to do with your time which you would be able to glean some pleasure from. I know a few others who have done the same such was their frustration, even hatred, for AW and they are calmer and better as a consequence. Probably a good thing for your health as well.

  54. Badarse

    Feb 16, 2016, 9:53 #83822

    We knew what you meant 24601, it's that recent birthday which is testing the old grey matter. After the sending off everything went through Aaron, he did such a man sized job.

  55. Westlower

    Feb 16, 2016, 9:40 #83821

    Amendment to my 2nd sentence in post 88736. Should have read: Anyone born after the 94/95 season have never experienced the phenomenon of Spurs finishing ahead of Arsenal in the league.

  56. Westlower

    Feb 16, 2016, 9:27 #83820

    Double page article in today's Telegraph on St Totteringham's Day. Anyone born after the 94/95 season has never experienced this phenomenon. Got me thinking how many times has it happened in my lifetime? Spurs were still in the old 2nd division when I was born in 1947 & stayed there until 1950/51, when they won the old 1st division on their return to the top league. They managed to finish above AFC on 22 occasions since. Spurs dominate period was between 56/57 to 67/68 when AFC only finished on top once in 58/59. Surprisingly, Spurs finished ahead of AFC 4 times during GG's tenure.

  57. Badarse

    Feb 16, 2016, 9:21 #83819

    Good morning Mark. Sorry if my post was a little tart-I'm sometimes a little tart myself, but usually a sweet strawberry one. You can blame anyone buddy. I came from an era when we went hell for leather for IBM missiles with another country's finger on the button, the fact that I marched-actually I usually boogied down the streets rather than marched, cannot do the military two step,(think that's one too many for our jeff)-and failed more or less in any real achievement isn't a valid reason for not being blamed. I happen to go along with the main thrust of your comment. It is more than an irritation that most older heads are filled with sawdust-don't you realise that from those on here? People old enough to know better but still saying and doing daft things. The term dinosaurs is not used lightly. Those dinosaurs will soon topple off the end of that old chuntering conveyor belt it's true, sadly an even dimmer set of dinosaurs are in the making following close behind-they only had the guidance of the previous generation to look up to so probably are just a bit further down the evolutionary scale. My generation sold you out chum, no mistake on that one. We thought we had the answers but the grey men realised we might become too dangerous and headed us off at the pass. Me and Butch fought on, but like the rest just went down in a blaze of glory-Gloria was accommodating like that, show her a chap in a parka and she was anyone's, with some fur around the hood and she was everyone's-if only she'd stop playing with matches. I find utter distaste in euphemisms like, 'professional foul', it is all cheating. The 'hairy arsed' brigade won the day-it is that reason why they react so much to AW, his philosophy, his footballing patterns on the pitch, his setting up of a footballing dynasty, and most importantly his honour. Although the French tongue cannot pronounce that particular word very well, some practise the trait much better than many Englishmen. Those who just seek a change of manager for their own reasons are excluded from that criticism-when they get up close and personal, carrying their own glitches into battle, and following their private agendas then the gloves have to come off. As stated before I like you Mark, it was I who bestowed the title of Nark on you, and I don't blame you altogether...I blame you all separately, ha ha, only kidding. Peace chum, have a nice day, (don't tell me what sort of a day to have!), Good old Arsenal.

  58. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 16, 2016, 9:07 #83818

    "But Elneny is another Kallstrom". Opinion or fact, Bard? Based on what? So we sign a young holding midfield player of international class and that isn't good enough for you? Do you think the standards of European football are poor too? Ligue one has PSG winning by 20 odd points. La Liga is dominated by two teams with Atheltico sometimes involved. The Bundesliga is dominated by Bayern with Dortmund sometimes involved. Or are you saying that because Chelsea and Man Utd aren't involved then it's a poor league? Or is it because Arsenal are involved then it's a poor league? Maybe that's closer to your sentiment.

  59. Bard

    Feb 16, 2016, 8:04 #83817

    colseyboysetc; the evidence is before my eyes every week. Plenty of grunt and sweat; mistakes galore and often lots of excitement but quality sorry mate not this year. Also according to the boss money talks or at least it did until this year so yes Watford Leicester Soton good sides but they shoudnt be troubling the big spenders. We bought Cech but Elneny is another Kallstrom. He wont play unless there is an outbreak of Ebola. If we fail to win the title it will because we didnt strengthen in the Summer or Jan.

  60. Mark from Aylesbury

    Feb 16, 2016, 6:15 #83816

    Badarse - of course it would be jolly nice if no one ever fell over a standing foot. Obviously not something that the younger generation or foreigners can be blamed for when Franny Lee was diving left right and centre. So as your vaguely older than me and English I'm blaming you man. Yeah your generation is responsible! Back in the real world was just pointing out to some of the more shrill that if our players did it then you can substitute words such as "cheat" for "clever" and that is roughly where we would be I reckon. Why people are bothering to get so exercised and then claiming some Roswell style X files I really do not know.

  61. mbg

    Feb 16, 2016, 0:54 #83815

    Foxinthebox, excellent post, post of the day, your certainly not a killjoy (although some will think you are)just telling it as it is, the truth, and some (especially the AKB wengerites)don't like to hear that, they never do. It doesn't matter one iota if OGL wins a big trophy he will have proved nobody wrong, it's gone way way past that now eleven years in fact. Yes indeed you'd have thought we actually won something such was the hysteria but as I said earlier maybe more of a relief that wenger and the team hadn't fooked it up again and OGL was saved (although there's still plenty of time) all these selfies, snapchats, poses, cavorting, and renditions in the dressing room afterwards ? pathetic, just because we beat ten men, that's wengers mentality for you, any decent manager wouldn't have allowed it someone like George Graham would have told them to shut up, sit down and get dressed you've won nothing yet so lets wait until we actually do, what you say is very easily forgotten indeed (like all the rest over the years))especially for some as one victory always wipes the memory. We've won nothing yet and OGL and his team have bottled it to often for any celebrating yet, but it doesn't stop some of course.

  62. Highbury Boy

    Feb 16, 2016, 0:36 #83814

    I noticed that when the players and officials were warming up just before kick off there was one Arsenal player chatting to Atkinson. I thought that was clever of him to build a relationship. Didn't work as that player was Monreal. Wonder what they talked about.

  63. Badarse

    Feb 15, 2016, 23:23 #83813

    Peter Hughes, much sense spoken, yet Mark of Nark would expect his players to cheat. jeff is a bit confused by occurrences once more-he is always on the event horizon of his own personal black hole. Refs are human and make interpretations of events. That allows for a whole range of 'judgements'. They are 'gods' in that they have the power during the game to reward, to penalise, to make amends for earlier errors by a repayment ruling, awarded in some way. They also enter the arena as men with the likelihood of bias, perhaps a generic one, or a recently acquired idea. Which team, individual player is good/bad/indifferent. Is the team a 'southern softie', or a 'northern neanderthal', or some other stereotypical approach? Who may try to trick me, etc. The sooner some decisions are removed from refs the better, as the game is too fast, and too cynical to be controlled adequately by one official. Technology is the answer but that is a long way off and a big discussion for the future. Personally I am more concerned about the bias and bigotry displayed by pundits and commentators-usually under a cloak of acceptability. They influence so many who are incapable of independent thought, or are just too young, naïve, or inexperienced. For a high profile individual like Sherwood to openly state that he would expect his players to cheat is a disgrace-Mark of Nark insisting on the same level of skulduggery is of minimal importance compared to him. However the fact that it is just shrugged off and accepted is quite scary, for it's that compliance which damages the very fabric of this game we love.

  64. Peter Hughes

    Feb 15, 2016, 23:21 #83812

    If Simpson had been rightly booked for going right through Sanchez in the opening minutes he would not have lasted as long as he did. Or perhaps Leicester would have got the message early on that they were not goibg to get away with kicking players cynically

  65. GoonerRon

    Feb 15, 2016, 23:02 #83811

    @ Jeff - Seeing as we were hammering their door down for a winner I find it hard to believe we would have been time-wasting beyond the 90th minute. Given the circumstances Leicester had most to gain from such tactics (although I can't remember a specific incident) - so by your logic if any additional time was to be played beyond 4 minutes (although there wasn't at the point play was stopped the foul) then it should have been to our advantage. The mere fact you're highlighting this point shows the depths your anti-Arsenal agenda will go. YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP.

  66. Peter Hughes

    Feb 15, 2016, 22:49 #83810

    What makes the cheating worse was that Vardy did not follow the line of the ball he played forward.He changed direction & it was his leg that made contact with Monreal not the other way round.This means it was not taking advantage of a leg on his path to the ball but a premeditated Successful attempt to cheat rather than have a one on one shooting chance. Sherwood then says he would want any player of his to do the same.Is that not bringing the game into disrepute,or has the game become that distorted from any sense of fair play. This cheating needs to be punished with retrospective action including any Arsenal players.What happens when Sherwood goes back into management after stating he wants his players to cheat? On the rest of the game great climax.I sit in the same seat each week but jumping manically with the guy in the row in front of me who I had never seen before brought back memories of many hugging of strangers at Highbury in similar circumstances. You really need to enjoy moments like that in football.

  67. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2016, 22:00 #83809

    Badarse ,you are confusing exact scientific mathematics with arbitrary adding on of time by ,well who ever does add it on, for whatever reason before the board is held up to show what it is at a football game . This is hardly Einstein's theory on relativity .After the injury time to be played has been shown the antics to try and run the clock down by the side with the most to gain from it begins . The ref is well aware of this and then can arbitrarily add on more ,if he wishes to do so. Sometimes they do:sometimes they don't.Nothing at all scientific about this and no consistency either . As with red cards for possible leg breaking tackles . My view is that dear old Atkinson lost the plot after awarding the penalty to Leicester,quite rightly so as well,but at half-time he discovered that he should have awarded us a free-kick earlier in the move that would have prevented the ebullient Vardy from having his goal scoring opportunity denied him by Monareal sticking out his big foot.To make matters worse the hapless fool Atkinson had waved play on when a foul was committed by one of our little technicians in the build up as well. So Atty has to play at god and try to put things to rights - as these cretins like him do.Two wrongs though do not make a right. He later ignored the dangerous tackle on Ramsey not having the bottle to send off another Leicester player . I would have no complaints had he sent the Leicester player off for that tackle. However,I do have no time what so-ever for all of this even things up nonsense by refs - after they have made mistakes.Or for supporters who try to justify this nonsense just because their team benefited from it. Next time it could be us on the wrong end of decisions and then you will be moaning about it. What it is with Clatterbug and the spuds is something that we can only speculate on - but mathematically speaking,one and one is not adding up to two. You couldn't make it up.

  68. Badarse

    Feb 15, 2016, 21:14 #83808

    jeff, you old space cowboy. In a week when the mathematicians have recorded two gigantic black holes spiralling into each other one billion years ago-that's 1,000,000,000 years ago last Tuesday-and the gravitational wave hitting us on planet, 'you couldn't make it up', after travelling 186,000miles per second-that's roughly a million miles in around 5 seconds, for a billion years at that speed,and that's a bit further than Tenerife chum,yet you are confused by time added on in a game. For delays and miscellaneous time wasting-like Schmeegal's antics-for subs at 30 secs per sub, red card and delays for said player leaving the pitch etc we had 4 minutes on the board. The rule states 'not less than 4 mins, so anything from 4 mins to 4mins 59secs. A mean average of 4 and a half mins. Into decimals it's 4.5 mins. If in a 45 min half that equates to 10%. In the 4.5mins added it could attract another 10% in the duration-that's 27secs. So it could be 4 mins 57 secs. All too confusing? Well the 4mins hadn't elapsed and time was added for the free kick, the goal, and re-spotting the ball. Hope it is a bit clearer now, I would hate for you to get unearned criticism. Beware the Time Bandits buddy.

  69. Tony Evans

    Feb 15, 2016, 21:01 #83807

    Looking at the respective run ins of the top four you have to fancy Leicester for the title with the Spuds strong contenders too. As others have said when you look at some of the tough away games we have left you can't help but feel we will drop too many points to remain in contention. It' s a funny old game though, as they say, and injuries may well still play a big part in deciding where the title will end up, so let's hope we can improve on that front which may give us a fighting chance.

  70. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2016, 20:30 #83806

    So according to your figures Colesyboy the game ended in the 96th minute .Thanks for confirming that . GR, Atkinson's overall referring deserves him being demoted he made decisions on the yellow cards that many neutrals think were harsh and that ruined the game as a sporting spectacle . The fact that the sending off helped us was irrelevant to that fact. Flim Flams two footed challenge against The Bournemouth player should have seen him go as was the case with the tackle on Ramsey by Drinkwater or whoever it was that Atkinson did not even penalize at all .So we are talking decisions here made by refs that had influences on the results in games. I have no problem with us beating Leicester just the OTT spin that was put on it by players who have never won the league but post selfies of themselves on line celebrating as though they have done.

  71. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 15, 2016, 20:09 #83804

    Arsenal themselves serve as a barometer of the relative quality of this season compared to others. The fact that an Arsenal team who are no better and getting no better results in the league than they were last season find themselves this season in contention for the top indicates it's a poor league in one respect. On the other hand it's the most exciting league for years due to the fact that you've got Leicester and yes even Spurs right up there rather than the usual cartel, so it's certainly not 'poor' in that respect.

  72. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2016, 20:02 #83803

    Colseyboy tell me about it May. As for the league if we can't judge it on the only other ones that we compete against then how can we judge how good it is. If we are talking popularity with foreign TV viewers and money then we are the tops. Toodle do and chin up old chap.

  73. Ron

    Feb 15, 2016, 19:22 #83802

    Jack - assuming ye figures are right, i dont know, you make a fair point though its not inconsistent with my opinion. Pens alone dont control the destiny of the title over a season. A multitude of factors and decisions will. Thee was a time back in the 70s when Manch City were awarded about 15 pens one season and Frannie Lee netted most of them himself. They still lost the title chase to Liverpool or Derby whichever ever it was back then. Many variables affect games. Refs have to award the decisions positively to a team where its obvious theres no other way, whoever that team is. Refs decisions and pressure from a 'controlling' corporate body is what can influence things over 38 games. The seasons outcome will be legitimated by such stats as you produce there, but not ultimately decided.

  74. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 15, 2016, 19:18 #83801

    Clueless, jeff know it all wright. The goal was cored in the 94th minute and thirty seconds, check out the Arsenal web site, or maybe not as you wouldn't know where to find it. The celebrations took over a minute and then the kick off, whistle blown at 95 minutes and fifty odd seconds. Fact. Standard three minutes?? GoonerRon has already put you in your place on the added time. European club football isn't what we are talking about, the statement that this is a poor league is what we are talking about. No relevant facts apart from your own over inflated opinion. Just like the fans protest at the game in Sunday? Never going to happen, didn't happen. And to think you made up that it was about ticket prices. Got no shame have you in your continued vilification of Arsenal football club?

  75. GoonerRon

    Feb 15, 2016, 19:17 #83800

    @ Jeff - I have two questions for you. 1) Did we need to win the game? 2) Did we win the game? Now I'll leave you to start your petition to get Atkinson struck off for sending off an opponent for your team (anyone but Arsenal) and playing too much stoppage time.

  76. mbg

    Feb 15, 2016, 19:16 #83799

    Any more word of how it went at the twelve pins ? did it all go off ? or was colsey boy standing there on his own, maybe he's still there looking up and down the road checking his watch wondering what all the cheering up at the Emirates was about.

  77. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2016, 18:59 #83798

    Colesyboy ,it's a fact,facts being of course something that you are not comfortable with, that English Prem clubs are not doing that great in Europe against the Foreign ones.How do think that we will get on against Barcelona >? Hey, if we can get Messi sent off and they have to play 96 minutes with 10 men we might beat them 2-1 ! Hang on though the away goal rule means that is a bad result ~&*! You couldn't make it up.

  78. Jack

    Feb 15, 2016, 18:44 #83797

    Ron-If the refs and tv companies favour the big clubs how come little teams like Leicester have been awarded 10 penalties and Watford,Swansea and the Totts have had 5.While bigger clubs Liverpool have had 1 Arsenal and Chelsea 2 and Manure 3.

  79. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2016, 18:43 #83796

    GR, it doesn't matter how much spin you put on things the fact is that we struggled to beat a 10 man Leicester side at home in normal time - the OTT celebrations afterwards with the selfies and singing in the changing room once again exposed this current side and manager to mass public ridicule. As for the 57 , 000 at the ground very few other than an hardcore of supporters would go to away games anyway,even if they could do..... Colseyboy games are not over until the whistle is blown and it was 6 minutes after the normal 90 played before it was blown. We could have scored a goal in the first minute hung on to win 1-0 but that would not have been the result until the game was done. So it would have been 96 minutes played to beat our opponent. I suspect though that had we been winning at 90 minutes then the regulation 3 minutes injury time,that's what it supposed to be injury time played , would have been added on - even if our players were time wasting taking the ball into corners and doing all the usual time wasting tricks and that once the 3 minutes were up-the ref would have had his whistle in his mouth faster than Ozil can suck his thumb after scoring . You really do come over as being a bit naive and all Colseyboy -it's this Arsene thing that is doing it - try and broaden your outlook a bit more is my advice - you will feel a lot better for doing so .

  80. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 15, 2016, 18:39 #83795

    Bard, where is your evidence that this is a poor league? On what basis? Factual. Not opinionated hearsay from ex pros or pundits, surely?! Because Chelsea are mid table? Or Man Utd are struggling? West Ham in the top eight? Watford doing well for a promoted club? No, it's because your agenda of negativity towards Arsenal couldn't possibly hold water as we are title favourites. We signed a world class keeper and. holding midfield player. Maybe one more centre half is all we need right now. So Bard, give me your side of the story now.

  81. mbg

    Feb 15, 2016, 18:24 #83794

    The referee conspiracy theories have started again even after we Won, you'd think the AKB's would have been happy enough with that, but no, they're still whinging even after the ref played all that extra time that saved their messiah and got him out of jail yet again, you'd think they'd be praising him and sending him an invite to the party at central command. You couldn't make it up.

  82. Alsace

    Feb 15, 2016, 17:41 #83793

    Foxy. It's all realism and truth. I wish people would stop having a go at Koscielny. He isn't prefect but how many times has he hauled us out of the proverbial? The answer is many many times. Of course OGL should buy some decent fast defenders, but he won't. These guys do the best that they can. Even Walcott, who I don't think should be in the team at all, can't help it if the guy gives him £100k per week to do whatever it is that he does. Would you turn that down and say " no no, I must go to Liverpool and freeze. More than good enough for the likes of me" ? I don't think so.

  83. foxinthebox2001

    Feb 15, 2016, 17:23 #83792

    Been fascinating reading some of the comments on the site on many threads over the past 24 hours. Classic case of a split supporter base here, roughly 40% desperate for a sign that Wenger will proove all his detractors wrong and finally win a big trophy. The rest trying to keep a lid on the hysteria, an hysteria that began with the players launching themselves into the fans after yesterdays late, late, winning goal. A neutral observer could have been forgiven for thinking we had already won the title. It was a vital 3 points, that is all, a 3 points that keeps us tucked behind Spurs and reduced plucky Leicesters lead over us. Is it so easily forgotten that we went through January picking up 3 points out a possible 12? Only 7 days previously we had our backs to the wall, doubling up the full backs to protect a lead against Bournemouth. Leicester were good for their one goal lead, and how many fans felt a little more comfortable in their seats on seeing Chambers come out instead of Kos after the break? Lets look at the truth behind yesterdays victory, prior to the red card, which in honesty could be decribed as harsh. The pull on Girouds sleeve drew a yellow, the same punishment Flamini got for a rash two footed tackle in the previous game. Up to that point, we had not a single attempt on target. Even down to 10 men, we made heavy weather of the task of breaking Leicester down. Giroud consistently failing to keep any headers under the bar, a toiling, clearly unfit Sanchez running down blind alleys, Ramsey showboating with a few fancy touches, but making no impact. Ultimately, despite Wenger talking of pivotal moments, turning corners and mental strength, we in part owed the winner to a panicky challenge from their reserve centre back, 40 seconds from the final whistle. Time for calm heads, not to get too carried away, we have some very tough fixtures away from the Emirates to come. Instead we are regaled with dressing room snaps. What on earth is Wenger telling these players, that its already in the bag, or you have won nothing, save the half naked cavorting for when you have something to actually celebrate. I am not trying to be a killjoy, but would prefer our players to stay focused, and our fans to calm down, there are even some delusionals on twitter predicting we are now going to send Barcelona packing.

  84. Bard

    Feb 15, 2016, 17:21 #83791

    Coseyboysetc; Was that a serious post ? Are you really suggesting this is a vintage PL season. If so mate you havent seen much football. Im not pessimistic at all, but Im not a fantasist. There is no point in me suggesting players we might or might not buy as its irrelevant under Wenger. I might pose an alternative question are you suggesting the team doesnt need strengthening ?

  85. Ron

    Feb 15, 2016, 17:20 #83790

    True enough Westie. The technology will give certainty that the TV dont want. They want and thrive on the angst and dispute and the on pitch melees, rows and ill feeling between refs and players and fans. Its all part of the charade and allows TV to employ all these pundits disagreeing. The average footie fan loves it because they cant or wont see through the pretence. It allows him to feel either aggrieved or to tell others to 'man up' and swallow the losses etc. It all then gets defined as the best game there is, best league etc when really its just hype with little sporting substance. Its a recipe for the breeding of the Jim Whites of the media World. The best tell tale sign of the fact of the players all being in on the fiction that footballs become is that none of them complain when an opponent has conned a pen for eg. They know its 'part of the show' and their turn will come. Look at that Leics Arse game in all honesty and ignore the false drama for a while. It was as plain as day that the ref would 'even it up' after giving Leics the pen. It was just a matter of when and how he did it.They then do it to benefit the bigger Club as they create the most TV viewers and generate the most TV income.TV only needs the bigger Clubs in truth, the bigger Clubs only need the TV hence the bigger Clubs cdt care a f--k about their own fans re ticket prices etc.The Leics's of this corrupt game are irrelevant and expendable, in fact they're annoying to the TV company's. Theres no way they want Leics to win the title, even though they/the pundits are told to say nice things about the 'fairytale' and all the other guff .It ll be a blow to their coverage. BT wont want it either as it ll devalue their precious ECL ( s--t tournament in my view) coverage. They want the status quo to remain, they dont want little Leics in it with their unknown journeymen players in the main as neither do SKY. i mean ....'Super Sunday' with the Foxes in it? They dont want that too many times or at all. Leics wont win the Title if the TV and the refs can stop it happening and disguise how they do it. In my view AFC would have been playing still today v Leics had they not scored the winner when they did.It wreaks of corruption and when some thing smells, its usually rotten to the core more often than not. The TV companies subsidize all of the Clubs to give free travel and reduced tickets to away games. I used to chat to other fans of the other Clubs when i used to go and such as the Albion Middlesboro and Swansea et al used to get great deals to encourage them to go away. TV need the grounds full and think its worth paying it. None of those big Clubs pass the money on in reduced prices as they know their fans will pay whatever s asked. The Liverpool fans are very well versed in what goes on in football hence their demo. Ive said many times that if fans stop being so stupid and see football for what it is and stop paying up, those tickets will plummet in price as the TV companies will force the Clubs to do it. As much as ive supported the Arse since a kid, the most part of me wants Leics to win that title if only because they and their fans and all of the other fans of the lesser Clubs stick two fingers up and say 'F--k you' and f--k off' to SKY and BT. It ll be a win for ALL fans, not just the Leics lads if they do in my opinion.

  86. GoonerRon

    Feb 15, 2016, 17:17 #83789

    @ mbg - do you think in the moment that we scored the winner that people were cheering because they consciously thought 'Wenger has got away with it again'? You honestly believe that? Do you think it might just be that everyone loved that fact we had scored a last minute winner against a title rival in a must-win game? Besides actually winning a trophy it doesn't get much sweeter than that does it? Of course, after the event there's some relief (it's a 2 point gap not 8 or 5), some excitement (we're still really in this), some fear (hope Gab and Kos are fit for Barca), some hope (at least 2 but possibly all of the other contenders will drop points this weekend). I honestly think you're hatred for Wenger is clouding what judgement you have left on how the average Arsenal fan thinks, as in the heat of such moments I don't think anyone gives a **** who our manager is.

  87. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 15, 2016, 17:17 #83788

    Surprised there is so much complaining about the ref given the turning point of the match was his decision to send one of theirs off. So ultimately AFC got the better of whatever reffing incompetence was on show. Can't help thinking all this 'Leicester are like Leeds '71' and big focus on the refs letting fouls go (thus disadvantaging a 'pure' footballing team like Arsenal) is simply preparing the ground with excuses for if Leicester or Spurs do win it. If AFC can't beat those two to the title with the enormous resource advantages they have over them, there is NO excuse for it.

  88. Jude

    Feb 15, 2016, 17:11 #83787

    Mr. Evans: Sorry to disappoint you. After all the concern about Mertesacker's inclusion due to his lack of pace, he showed his class with brilliant positional sense and composure. But for their respective dives in the box, I think Vardy and Mahrez were well quiet. Speaking of composure, or lack thereof, our headless Welsh chicken certainly does try hard, but what good is that when there's no end product? He's a half-season wonder. Santi can't come back soon enough. Onwards and upwards.

  89. Arseneknewbest

    Feb 15, 2016, 17:06 #83786

    Coleslaw - You've crawled back out from under your stone, shooting from the lip as usual. Not seen hide nor hair of you for a while. That's the only problem when we win - it means you pop your mud-skippper shaped face out of the slurry to offer up what you call opinion. We've heard it all before Adolf...get back to the tabloids mate.

  90. mbg

    Feb 15, 2016, 17:05 #83785

    Bard, an excellent post, I was going to post something similar myself, all this premature ejaculation over one result (isn't there always) against ten men, your spot on it's more to do with relief and the fact we didn't f**k it up yet again (for the time being anyway)and of course TOF getting out of jail and coming up smelling of roses yet again that's what a lot of the excitement and celebrations and what the biggest cheer was for.

  91. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 15, 2016, 16:59 #83784

    The league this season is piss poor eh Bard. Just suits your pessimistic view because Leicester are top, the s***s are second?? Still waiting for your players we need in our team to make it better, but there's no hope of that forthcoming is there? As for jeff, know it all, wright, why state we needed six minutes when the free kick was conceded in the 93rd minute and we scored the winner in the 94th and 40 odd seconds? Suits your tireless anti Arsenal agenda, stuck in the GG days, along with your mate Muguiresbridge. Everything you say is made up.

  92. Bard

    Feb 15, 2016, 16:06 #83782

    Westie; come come mate Im a realist not a pessimist. The reason few sides have beaten Leicester is because this years PL is p*** poor by anyones standards. Leicester are a half decent team but the fact that they are top of the PL tells you all you need to know about the quality. If we want a reality check re quality football it will be coming courtesy of Barca next week.

  93. GoonerRon

    Feb 15, 2016, 16:06 #83781

    @ Jeff - there were 5 subs (Mahrez took forever to leave), the sending off where Simpson hardly sprinted down the tunnel and Schmeichel taking an age over every goal kick for starters - 4 minutes is hardly excessive considering. As for how many of the Emirates crowd will be at OT, Sunderland etc, a very small proportion I'd say, considering there were 57,000 Arsenal supporters there on Sunday and our away allocation is 3,000-4,000.

  94. Westlower

    Feb 15, 2016, 16:04 #83780

    @Ron There was a discussion on the radio this morning about refs now being the orchestrator of the game. The official sets the tempo by his reaction to fouls. Refs cannot be relied upon to administer the rules of the game fairly & consistently anymore. Their European equivalents are far stricter on petty fouling than Mike Riley's merry band of men. How many times have we seen Sanchez & Ozil stop for the expected free kick that doesn't materialise after being fouled? I appreciate refs can get swept up in a game and overlook misdemeanours to keep the play flowing but it leaves them open to criticism. Time was we didn't even know who the ref was but they are the daddy these days. Maybe it's feared the game would be too sterile if another official watched a TV screen and called the correct decision. What would be left to debate? Sky/BT must be loving all the drama being played out before their paying customers. What is more exciting on TV than PL football? The clubs are now earning obscene amounts of money from TV deals, so don't expect any changes to the dubious way the game is now officiated.

  95. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2016, 15:56 #83779

    Tbh, GR, I can't see where the 4minutes extra time came from ,but my point anyway was that we need 6 minutes extra time to beat 10 man Leicester and were unable to do so in normal time - and that when Leicester had ten players on the field were the better side and were out-foxing us. It's all about Arsene and the Emirates Experience these home games a show put on to entertain the customers who come for that reason and only that late goal provided any thrill for them. How many of those going mad with euphoria at the late win yesterday t though will be at the lane of shame ,OT or City ,Sunderland away - these are the places where the medals are won. Most have them have never been to any of these places bless 'em and never will do . You couldn't make it up .

  96. Ron

    Feb 15, 2016, 15:23 #83778

    Some truth in that Westie . These pens are nearly every game these days for next to no reason. Red cards too. At one time a pen was a one/two a season job and it was truly dramatic as were red cards. Now its routine tedium. Football in general at that level is just one big TV fuelled, prescribed, surreal circus act played out like a game of charades by 'celebrities'. The game with all due respect is shaped for and acted out for the idiot punters (we re all placed on the idiot scale for even paying attention to it, never mind actually going to the games to whatever extent we all do so) Even the refs are celebs, as are the Coaches. Its one big joke really except that the modern day fans scowl and grimace their way through the whole unedifying 'experience' and barely find anything to smile about in it.

  97. Clockend Mike

    Feb 15, 2016, 15:15 #83777

    Westie - I think you are being unfair about the referees – yes they make mistakes, don’t we all but to suggest that they are part of a greater conspiracy akin to an X Files episode is clearly wrong. As Jeff pointed out, the referee played more than the allotted four minutes added time – it could be argued that was a mistake which we benefitted from. I remember watching the 90/91 title winning video and George was talking to the players following the punch up at Old Trafford. No moaning or whining or blaming but basically a pep talk of “lets gone with it”. That’s the Arsenal way.

  98. GoonerRon

    Feb 15, 2016, 15:06 #83776

    @ Jeff - nice try, but if you check back you'll see the foul leading to the free kick for our winner happened well before the clock ticked to 94 minutes.

  99. Mark from Aylesbury

    Feb 15, 2016, 15:06 #83775

    Westie honestly are you trying to say that in a season when the biggest club and overall tv draw in England is sinking, when Roman who is used to paying "roof money" cannot influence Chelsea beyond 12th that somehow wholesale corruption has created the Leicester title charge? Really ? I love the X files I really do but ultimately it's fiction. For someone who's so pragmatic over your horses you are seeing Faries at the end of the garden with your football.

  100. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2016, 15:03 #83774

    Westie, Merse would have been proven right if Leicester had been able to keep 10 men on the park. If he had known that they were only going to have 10 to play with and had to face 6 minutes extra-time on top ,even a loser like Merson would have edged his bets. We did make hard work of it though even with those advantages -so I don't think I will be rushing to put my money in the bookies satchels at odds of 6-4 for us to win the league. These dodgy decisions that refs keep making in the televised games are a bit strange and you have to wonder why Clatterbug who had already made bad mistakes in the game at the lane of shame when he allowed 2 off-side goals that were clearly obviously off-side why it was that he was in charge of the game at Poundland yesterday .

  101. Highbury Boy

    Feb 15, 2016, 14:53 #83773

    According to Ranieri it was us who did it. The crowd. Us. Let's take a bow. Probably right too. We were angry with Leicester's time-wasting at throw-ins and especially goal kicks. We were angry at their little fouls in breaking up play yet their players got warnings while ours got cards. We were angry when our penalty claims were waved away but Vardy tumbles dramatically and he points to the spot. It served Leicester right when the ref got tougher with them in the second half and Simpson was correctly shown 2 yellows. The atmosphere when Welbeck scored was unbelievable. A deserved win against "underdogs" who knew how to bite when it suited them. I can see though how their fighting spirit has taken them to the top. I agree with others on here that MotD did not give the full picture. Some careful editing.

  102. Westlower

    Feb 15, 2016, 14:47 #83772

    Anyone consider these bizarre referring decisions are inspired by the marketing teams at SKY/BT to provide plenty of controversial incidents for their customers & pundits to debate. Otherwise a purist coaches game of 0-0 would have the viewers switching off in their droves. The refs can't be as bad as they show, they must be following the paymasters scripts? Credit to expert pundit Merse in declaring that Arsenal had no chance of beating Leicester if BFG plays. The problem with being dogmatic is that you can be proved totally wrong or wrong totally. Merse isn't a failed manager & gambler for no reason, but he is good TV entertainment, as are the refs.

  103. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2016, 14:46 #83771

    jj, I note that Westie has not mentioned the added on 4 minutes that ended up as 6 that were required for us to beat 10 man Leicester at home. Can you imagine the uproar if that had been a Sir Ferguson at OT or Mourinho at the bridge scenario.All the euphoria at the late win helps though to cover up for the lack of spending any money by Stan and the lack of more points that in reality in a season like this one that we should have to take advantage of Chelsea's and City's stuttering season. Although of course Chelsea under Guus are now back on track and looking good. The FAC looks likely to be their main hope of any silverware .

  104. Mark From Aylesbury

    Feb 15, 2016, 14:39 #83770

    I'll keep this brief as just come back from a funeral and a few whiskey's anyway what is all this tosh about Leicester being some sort of Revie throwback! It's just embarrassing we got the result so that's that and be happy. Personally if we had a forward who didn't go flying after a foot was left in I'd be asking questions. It's a pro game not the Coritithian Casuals ( by the way the played this way as a protest against dirty tatucs in the 19th C) for god sake if Leicester win it, it's deserved. Sadly I predict it might be Spurs! What excuses then I wonder?

  105. jjetplane

    Feb 15, 2016, 14:32 #83768

    Good stuff Clockend and Ron and it is the likes of WEStie that sum this Arsene FC plasticity where the owner has a 500m ranch plus ten others and still has a 3m dip because he can. This whole Arsene facade has been odious for years and some of his disciples are like the worst the Spuds or Chelski have to offer and as for Mahrez - he is streets ahead of the go missing Ozil as Vardy is in front of plastic tan Olly. Quite funny this earth tremor in Holloway with half the seats empty at that point. Certainly the likes of Westie was not there jumping up and down ... Vindication my arse! I can remember a time when with the likes of DB10 at Arsenal we were the neutral's favourite. Arsene FC stand as one of the most unpopulat outfits in football. Anyway - what about Liverpool! ha ha! Bored with posters who think they are 'the positive ones.' You sound like Manchester Utd fans or worse .... The PL is peppered with brands and I am just loving brand Ranieri - proper class class as we watch Giroud get a player sent off because that is the Arsene way. Good old 9th tier. May the pitches dry before spring ..... Don't get me started!

  106. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2016, 14:06 #83767

    Westie, Leicester have played good counter attacking football all season and in Mahez and Vardy have the best midfield player and striker in this season's Prem .Vardy did not score all those goals or Mahez make assists and score goals in double figures by doing thuggery. I thought they got sucked into doing silly fouls that cost them yesterday by the antics of Monreal and Giroud .Monreal himself did a blatant dive against Bournemouth to try and win a penalty so he is no saint and clumsy can't tackle properly lumbering le Coq is not one either. I labeled this current side The Invisibles ,because they are never to be seen when title winning medals are handed out in May. So let's 'see' if I am proven right -or wrong. The bookies are having a laugh making us 6-4 favs for the title . You couldn't make it up.

  107. Westlower

    Feb 15, 2016, 13:48 #83766

    @Bard, Your pessimism & misery are legendary. Only Arsenal twice and L'pool have managed to beat Leicester in the PL this season. Maybe they're not the soft touch you imagine. Their cynicism belies the medias fairy tale image of lovable Uncle Claudio & his innocents.

  108. Bard

    Feb 15, 2016, 13:36 #83765

    Oh what joy from the disciples, we beat Leicester at home ? Joyful though a last minute winner is, do you not think we should be beating the likes of Leicester at home all day long ? I suggest the joy is more relief that we live to fight another day. We have tougher tasks ahead than a 10 man Leicester. Still dont have us anywhere near favourites. Basically we cant afford any slip ups between now and the end of the season and with this team I just dont see it happening. I hope Im wrong.

  109. Clockend Mike

    Feb 15, 2016, 13:30 #83764

    Ron – it’s insulting isn’t it? What about how they played Man City off the park last weekend or the game against Liverpool? They are top for a reason. This sneering contemptuous view of other teams shows a complete lack of class.

  110. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2016, 13:23 #83763

    Hi Ron, you can't imagine Sir Ferguson hving put up with Keystone Kos and his cowardly antics .You coud see from his face that he was bottling it when he walked out.It mirrored Wenger's own one -all of this fretting and nervousness in the side stems from him - why are we constantly having to pull irons out of the fire in games ,if what is claimed about our team is true. I believe myself that for us to win the league from the position we are in at the moment we would need more points than we do have and we don't have them. Sanchez looks like Arshavin in his second spell he had a poor game again yesterday and looks rather sulky .If Wenger had any sense he would give the Barcelona game a swerve and concentrate on the Prem -he has by far the harder task to win it than Leicster or the spuds do after their win yesterday . Albeit that like our one the referee's decisions played a major role in deciding the outcome. Clatterbug was also in charge of the game at the lane of glory when those two obviously way off side goals were allowed to stand with the spuds thus winning 4-2 . Was it by chance that he reffed yesterday's game .Our games away look far too tough for Wenger and the teamto win enough points from . Mourinho might bizarrely be at United by the time we arrive and we know how Arsene gets on facing him. Watford at home looks on paper the only dodgy home game left but those away ones are like trying to run through a minefield without treading on any mines.

  111. Ron

    Feb 15, 2016, 13:15 #83762

    Just noticed the latest edict from AKB s HQ that Leics are the Leeds class of 70/71 equivalent. You truly couldnt make that one up!

  112. Clockend Mike

    Feb 15, 2016, 13:10 #83761

    Three points won and thirteen games to go. Clichés about mental strength, at this stage are too premature. Too many important games lie ahead and I am not just talking about the games at OT and WHL. We have to face Villa, Norwich and Sunderland, the latter away – three teams fighting for their PL lives. Their focus and desire will be just as great as ours – just think about how Allardyce will have his team “ready” for our visit. Although talk about putting a scratch team about against Barcelona makes sense, in terms of keeping fresh and retaining a positive “mental state”, I would play a full strength team whatever. This team either is good enough to compete at the very top or it is not. Unfortunately beating Leicester at home is no guide to that. We have to keep winning, cut the chit chat (and clichés) and do things the “old” Arsenal way.

  113. mbg

    Feb 15, 2016, 13:09 #83760

    chris dee, good post, well said, if the players had those qualities he wouldn't have to keep telling us about them, the fact he does says it all.

  114. Paul

    Feb 15, 2016, 12:59 #83759

    No mention Kev of he outstanding player on the pitch just the type of player Arsenal lack.Kante.He was brilliant

  115. mbg

    Feb 15, 2016, 12:57 #83758

    wenger got his substitutions right, going by his record with them it's more likely he got lucky, and got out of jail yet again.

  116. Westlower

    Feb 15, 2016, 12:44 #83756

    The all important goals for/against % shows how difficult life is in the PL compered to the top leagues in Europe. Bayern Munich 5.3 (5.3 goals scored for every one conceded); PSG 5.25: Barcelona 3.44. At.Madrid 3.18, RM 3.04; Juve 3.06. Meanwhile in UK, TH 2.35, AFC 1.78, Citeh 1.71, Leic 1.65, MU 1.37, CFC 1.05. These stats suggest that the top Europeans sides are rarely stretched to achieve a win in their own domestic competitions. Barcelona nice and fresh for both legs of ECL games - a frightening prospect? Plus the top PL players don't receive the protection from the officials & fixture planners, that their European counterparts receive as the norm.

  117. mbg

    Feb 15, 2016, 12:31 #83755

    Great result and good display from the players ( I wonder who in the dressing room took charge) plenty of tippy tappy going nowhere as usual though apart from out for a throw, it was looking like a draw which would have been fair enough, the sending off certainly helped us giving the ref the perfect opportunity to even things up, no complaints about him after that, you can imagine the up roar from TOF and his fans if he hadn't. Back to third now even after all the euphoria and moistening of the Calvin Kleins and the renditions in the dressing room afterwards but as good as the result was we've all been here before and we know what happens so it's best to wait until we actually win it or win something before the bouncing and renditions in the dressing start and the fans start soiling their kecks.

  118. DW Thomas

    Feb 15, 2016, 12:28 #83754

    A glorious win we haven't seen for quite some time. I was cheering! It brought back my old fire for this club. Still, that terrible penalty decision at City could be a decider or at least a big factor. Giroud was big yesterday and the boys were hungry. Still, Ramsey seems to get so many chances that he flops on. His misses and Sanchez's were poor. Thought Ox had a great game. He hustled and always looks to take defenders on. For once Arsene got it right, but it was constant pressure with a man advantage. We do have momentum, but can the lads handle it? Even Theo's goal made me grin. We have a chance. For Welbeck,it was cometh the hour cometh the man. Will it be that for our club?

  119. Charles

    Feb 15, 2016, 12:27 #83753

    Simpson's first yellow was deserved for committing 2 fouls in 2 minutes at the start of the second half after Atkinson had been one-sided with his yellow cards in the first half - 2 Leicester players getting warnings while 3 Arsenal players went in the book.

  120. Ron

    Feb 15, 2016, 12:25 #83752

    Jeff - how many times has he done that now (Kos)? So often he develops a convenient 'injury' doesn't he. Only at Arsenal would he be indulged im sure. His eye closing and turning his back at free kicks is bad enough but his early departures are some thing else! Never one for doing a Westlower and suggesting 'throwing' a tournament but nows the time perhaps to ask a scratch team to play Barcelona and let them be throttled, rather than the first 11? Dread to think whats in store for Merter and his mate, Koschielny. Could be like an illegal blood sport. Wdt be at all surprised if the Kos strung his 'dead leg injury' out now to be honest.

  121. Kerryman Gooner

    Feb 15, 2016, 12:20 #83751

    Well Done Editor. Well summarised as always. I was in Anfield in 89. Paris in 2006 when SOL scored. Unfortunately I don't get to the new ground very often, but yesterday looked really special when Welbeck scored. Its for those moments we support them. And this new stadium has not seen nearly its fair share. I just pray they have the bottle to see it out. I think Wenger is past it. Next few weeks will tell.

  122. Ron

    Feb 15, 2016, 12:09 #83750

    Vardy assisted the process of getting the pen, ive no doubt about that. Monreals problem was his sunday league attempt to tackle in the box via the turning of his body and planting his 'wrong' leg in front of Vardy. Any attacker would have done what he did and our fans and Wenger would scream for a pen in the same circs. The Wally/ Sanchez would have done a Vardy without hesitation. Cant blame the ref for giving it. The first booking of Simpson was wrong in my view. Bad reffing. 11 v 11 (from what ive seen of it) Leics looked the more composed, better shaped and tactically adept team. They deserved a draw as it was. Good result for us though. How the win was got was irrelevant. I think City have slipped away now barring a storming end towards the finishing line. Spurs look a better side than Arsenal right now and for me, are the favourites. AFC arent a good side, far from it. Leics wont be too fussed about the loss. They ll know flakey Arsenal have to go to OT and the Lane and in all honesty i cant see us getting much from either game. OT is the best bet for a win perhaps, but Arsenals propensity to bottle it there is legendary. The Barca game raises issue too. If Barca inflict serious damage as is likely, Wengers mindset, flimsy at the best of times, is likely to crumble. The team might well follow suit. We ll see wont we.

  123. jeff wright

    Feb 15, 2016, 11:49 #83749

    My view Jackerson on the ref yesterday and his decisions was that he got many wrong -the penalty was a 50-50 call some you win some you lose -the sending off changed the game in our favor -it looked harsh with the first yellow never a booking anyway. The idiot ref ignored worse ones on Ramsey and others. So for me Jackerson - no sending off -no win for us sunbeam against eleven Foxes. I have had to laugh at all the comments about us digging in and battling it out though - Keystone Kos was bricking it big time and limped away again when the going was tough . A cowardly clown of the first order. We could possibly stumble over the line in first place but as others have pointed out we have the harder run -in and I have no confidence in Wenger who is always making excuses and looks stressed out during games or in the rather over-excitable players either. City could string 6 wins together and nick it - or Leicester end up needing only a draw at Chelsea not impossible this scenario given their run-in of remaining games with all of their top 4 ones played - unlike us - we still have some left. Who would bet AGAINST Leicester not getting a draw at the bridge if it meant us or the spuds - City -not winning the league.Only a a fool is my view on that question. on that result not transpiring ! I was hoping the spuds would get beaten yesterday - but another useless cretin of a ref made sure that failed to happen.The spuds were gifted 3 points at the lane against City when two of their goals were well off-side and now that non-penalty yesterday at Poundlands .Glory is what the game is about. .You couldn't make it up.

  124. peter wain

    Feb 15, 2016, 11:37 #83748

    what a load of tosh these so called experts talk. Two penalties and neither should have been given. Vardy just throw himself at Monreal and anyway we should have a had a free kick earlier if that doddery old fool Atkinson had any vision. As for the hand ball do not see why that was not given as he moved his hand to the ball. Still correct result in the end with one team playing football and the other concentrating on fouling time wasting and look for a draw. As for the sending off watched match of the day last night and was disappointed but not surprised. The first booking was for the six or seventh foul by Simpson and the second was just plain stupid. Should sanction Simpson for failure to leave pitch immediately but I bet they will not.

  125. Torbay gooner

    Feb 15, 2016, 11:34 #83747

    Yes vital win over one of our rivals. Game changed completely with deserved sending off of Simpson. Could/should have scored 4 or 5 in that last half an hour, but Arsenal never like to make it too easy! Good to see the bench with some goal threat at last. Great cushioned header by Giroud to set up Walcott. Leicester will be there at the wire, as you can see why they have only lost three games, but will we be?

  126. Alsace

    Feb 15, 2016, 11:31 #83746

    My abiding memory of this game was the way in which Leicester decided to screw up their day by cheating. The Vardy "penalty" never looked like one to me, and I was astonished when the ref pointed to the spot. The MOTD replay showed that Vary had been " clever" falling over Monreals leg rather than pursuing the ball whence he (not Monreal) had flicked it. He got his penalty and scored his goal - but he also angered even our supine team. Had he not done so, Leicester would have created more than enough opportunity to nick a goal and win the game. The referee made it abundantly clear that he would not be blowing up for any foul play and of course Leicester took this as Carte Rouge to do what they liked with us. That backfired upon them as well. They would have nicked a draw as well but for the suicidal antics of their substitute defender. Further, what is never shown on MOTD is the rage which is created by persistent timewasting by the goalkeeper. I would love to see a referee give a goalkeeper doing this a straight red, and then a straight red for any replacement doing the same. It is a much bigger incitement to crowd anger than a scorer taking his shirt off and the fact that the roof came off when we scored the winner is no surprise. Absent the provocation that we and the team received, Leicester would be well clear and we would be out of the race. Kompany is back at Man City and they can now be expected to put a run together. Tottenham Hotspur should be favourites as they have a strong presence and aggression which frankly we do not. They are a significant danger as are Leicester City. This is not over but it will not take much to shake us loose from the pack. We are not strong mentally or tactically. It is my hope that OGL will play Iwobi on Saturday and enlist his help in future first team games. He looks like the real deal.

  127. Mark

    Feb 15, 2016, 11:30 #83745

    Good to in so late on as proof we pushed to the last. maybe evens things out in that sending off V Chelsea cost us, the sending off for Leicester definitely cost them. Until that point you could see they are a good team and were able to break up our midfield regulary. Alexis is getting shackled more easily than Ozil now as Ozil has learned to turn up all over the field and isnt always looking for the killer ball. he keeps is moving most of the time. Overall nothing new for me. were top 4 but i dont think we are champions but i do think the champions might come from North London this year.. Poch is clearly a top class manager as we suspected when he was at Southampton. Top 4 already certain lets see if we really go for No 1

  128. Wear Your Colours

    Feb 15, 2016, 11:23 #83744

    A fantastic result. I was really impressed by the way we kept fighting for the win. Nice to see Theo on the score sheet again, he took the opportunity superbly. Also really pleased for Danny Welbeck, I hope he gets a start against Hull. Three-points in the bank. Now to focus on Hull and the FA Cup. COYG!

  129. Mike

    Feb 15, 2016, 10:58 #83743

    For the last two months we have had a bench that could not impact a game due to injuries - whilst not performing well during this time,we have stayed in touch - The good news is that with the likes of Wellbeck and Cazorla coming back into picture, we have options again. They must just say fit now. It was no penalty becayse the whole movement should have been pulled back for the foul on Ozil

  130. Westlower

    Feb 15, 2016, 10:57 #83742

    The adjusted odds on dual forecast betting for PL, 1st and 2nd in either order: AFC/TH 9/4; AFC/Leic 5/2; TH/Leic 4/1; AFC/Citeh 7/1; TH/Citeh 10/1; Leic/Citeh 12/1. Don't underestimate the value of Arsenal's returning injured. Further boosts to come in March with JW & Cazorla. Numerically we'll have the strongest squad going into squeaky bum time. Leicester have played the last 6 games with the same team, rarely happens anymore. Can the Totts maintain their high work rate once the cup competitions kick back in?

  131. N4

    Feb 15, 2016, 10:47 #83741

    Don't want to put a damper on the win but I don't think we would have won that game had it been 11 v 11. Of course, bar the clear diving of Vardy. I think it would have been a draw. It goes to show why Leicester are where they are at the league table. On the plus side credit to Wenger for the tactics but the ref and other refs seem to have something against Arsenal given the amount of fouls not given in our favour. It is still of an uphill to climb so we'll see after 6 games where we are whether we will win it or not...however it was a fantastic game to watch.

  132. Juggernaut

    Feb 15, 2016, 10:41 #83740

    I don't think I am exaggerating in any way in saying that when Welbeck scored, the earth was shaken to its very core, such was the noise emanating from within the stadium. I have relatives living in Norway, and they said they could hear it from there. I've also heard reports that it even caused structural damage to several buildings across the capital. What a great moment. Come on Arsenal!

  133. Jack

    Feb 15, 2016, 10:34 #83739

    I had a look at the remaining fixtures for each of the top four counting the games left against,Arsenal,Chelsea,Leicester,Liverpool,Man C,Man U and Totts.We have 3 all away,City and Totts have 4 Leicester have only 2 and as John F pointed out Chelsea away on final day which looks a gimee like Manure got against Totts in 1999.Will be Interesting to hear what jeff wright has to say about yesterdays decisions.

  134. Barnaby

    Feb 15, 2016, 10:33 #83738

    Good win yesterday, I think title is between Tottenham and Leicester now, we have way to many hard away games, Southampton draw at home for me was when we lost the title, although also I believe title was lost in summer transfer window when we did not get a good dm, I dont particularly like vardy either, he is a bit of a c**t

  135. Charles

    Feb 15, 2016, 10:30 #83737

    I hope Koscielny's injury is due to one of the coaching staff giving him a good slapping for his "defending" for Leicester's goal. Mahrez was kicked on the ankle by Monreal before falling to the ground. The culture of stupidness continues with Coquelin starting argy-bargy when he'd already been booked. The MOTD analysis was terrible. Hopefully we can find the spirit of 2002 and win the next 12 league games.

  136. Nick

    Feb 15, 2016, 10:24 #83736

    Great result, and for once real spirit from the team, and sensible substitutions from Wenger, I was beginning to think wed blown it but when that Welbeck header went in o felt along with many others that id won the lottery. Pity our two most expensive signings were a little off their game or things might not have been so tense,the officials however did not cover themselves in glory,Simpson had already escaped punishment for two earlier scything fouls on Sanchez before his two fouls in quick succession in the second half saw him deservedly sent off, Leicester were guilty of serial fouling from the start but weak refereeing allowed them to continue and as usual with refs like that our own players first foul brings a yellow, we had a stone wall pen turned down their man did move his arm TOWARD the ball, also Vardy ran into Monreal deliberately, as for Drinkwaters assault on Ramsey how Atkinson who has sais he saw it did not seem it even a foul let alone a red card offence defies belief , he should not be doing the job at all if he thinks tackles like that are within the laws, look at the outcry over Flaminis challenge last week and he barely made contact with the man at all. I watched the highlights later on returning home on motd and was irritated by the obviously anti Arsenal slant,by both commentator Motson and the panel of an ex spud and Liverpool player, Ranieris comment that the ref favoured Arsenal was laughable and risible. Great result if we follow it up with wins vs Hull, Manure red and Swansea and at least give Barca a run for their money then id say this is our season despite the myriad mistakes made by Wenger, I hope that is the case COME ON YOU GUNNERS!!

  137. John F

    Feb 15, 2016, 10:02 #83735

    Martyn,I thought Motd was poor yesterday.No review of the handballs in the box,more made of Sanchez card waving then Mahrez dive,Vardy was a Jolly good fellow for buying the pen but Ramsey was guity of rolling over a couple of times from an (according to Murphy)unintended foul by Drinkwater and the red card was not deserved as the first was not a yellow.I've just realised I'm sounding like Westie.I still make Leicester favourites as they have an easier run in and with Chelsea away last game, you can just imagine how Chelsea are going to react if it means a victory will give the title to North London.

  138. Peter

    Feb 15, 2016, 9:51 #83734

    Why is it that for so many of the last 10 years or more almost every game the referee has a nightmare. It was never a penalty Vardy put his leg behing Monreals and then fell, Drinkwater's foul wasawful. Both were seen by Atkinson. Also yesterday it was never a penalty for Tottenham it hit is back. Mark Clattenburg had a great view of it. 2 of our most experiensed refs (Atkinson and him) got it so wrong. Why is the fourth official not looking at a t.v, either at pitch side or up in the stands like rugby? He can then tell the ref what a stuped decision he has made. Maybe then the right results will happen.Could mean wrong team wins the league and also maybe wrong teams get relegated. SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE.

  139. Jack

    Feb 15, 2016, 9:18 #83733

    The hairy arsed were slain,cheating done in vain,10 pens 6 by Vardy double the next team dour Tottie.Welbeck is the man,when super Jack and Santi are back we will rule the world.I fear these easily fooled refs more than I do the opposition.Not much protesting going on just a few of the WOR singing from their worn out hymn books odes to Wenger,bring on the mighty Ull.

  140. Mathew

    Feb 15, 2016, 9:16 #83732

    Good win to remember, stadium erupting after the goal was a treat to watch. Gap has been reduced, players returning from injury and confidence boosted...COYG

  141. Westlower

    Feb 15, 2016, 9:10 #83731

    Leicester have changed from being an early season gung-ho side, to possess all the cynicism of Don Revie's Leeds side 0f 70/71. I posted at half time that Atkinson hadn't given us one decision. Someone must have had a word with him at halftime because he stopped condoning Leicester's fouling. There's talk of Mahrez joining AFC in the summer, but after witnessing his disgraceful dive for a penalty I don't want him here, thanks very much. Why Atkinson didn't book him is beyond me. Ditto, Drinkwater wiping out Ramsey, no card, nothing? Giroud was our warrior yesterday, without him we'd have struggled. We overcame Leeds in 70/71, by clinching the league title at the Lane. More of the same please Arsenal. It's odds of 1/2 one of the the North London clubs being champions.

  142. chris dee

    Feb 15, 2016, 9:10 #83730

    Good 3 points. Just wish Arsene would stop constantly talking all the time about 'our belief' and 'mental strength'.The more he saysit the more I begin to doubt we have those qualities.Belief and mental strength should be a given a team that wants to win the league. And please Arsenal players stop with the frigging selfies until there is a trophy in the picture as well.

  143. Martyn

    Feb 15, 2016, 8:51 #83729

    Surprised nothing has been mentioned about the blatant dive by Mahrez in the penalty box during second half. MotD completely ignored it. Given his record against us, Atkinson could easily have awarded it. So give him credit for that but should have booked him.

  144. GoonerRon

    Feb 15, 2016, 8:33 #83728

    A huge win in a genuinely massive match. Leicester's cynical fouling came back to bite them on the ass with the sending off, after that it was all about keeping going and finding the openings. What a sensational moment when Welbeck scored!

  145. AMG

    Feb 15, 2016, 8:22 #83727

    Yesterday was the first time I've had a daft grin on my face because of Arsenal since the FA cup win over Man United. Really happy for Wellbeck and what an assist from Ozil - again!

  146. Tony Evans

    Feb 15, 2016, 8:19 #83726

    Fantastic - surely no negative comments from anyone after that.

  147. gunner smith

    Feb 15, 2016, 8:15 #83725

    If Welbeck had not scored,the winner was the ref.This particular guy has a habit of getting major decisions against Arsenal wrong. We would let the seasoned analysts present their finding. According to one website he got five decions wrong,obviously from an Arsenal perspective but it could be correct.Before the Vardy penalty there was afoul on Ozil with Kante falling all over him. The ref shd have booked/penalysed Leicester. he did neither and when Vardy fell ,the rest is history. Then there were hb incidents involving both Kante and Huth in the box. At least one spot kick shd have been given. Ramsey was fouled by Drinkwater but again nothing was given. I shudder to think what could have happened if Walcott and Welbeck had not scored. Recall the incident whnRoony was adjudged to have been tripped by Campbell in the box when it was 100% outside. Imho,we have many refs aginst Arsenal winning the epl. I don't know if its true but I have never trusted these mo. You never know there could be a conspiracy with FA backing trying to impede Arsenal where possible. Get me the UEFA refs anytime. These guys are anytime better than the epl mo.

  148. Augustus Flair

    Feb 15, 2016, 8:14 #83724

    Phew... job done.A bit more accuracy with passes and shooting would be welcome but the team put a shift in against nippy, well-organised opponents and we can't ask for much more than that. Don't blow it now, lads.

  149. Hunter

    Feb 15, 2016, 8:10 #83723

    Nice piece as ever Kevin. I think if most other people were managing Arsenal, there would be 4 or 5 players putting their feet up indoors watching the Barcelona match I. TV, before going full pelt at Old Trafford. But Wenger of course doesn't work like that, he wants the CL on his CV and that's what matters. I predict a creditable Barca draw during which the first team are run into the ground, followed by a flat defeat at OT and of course an utter mauling in the Camp Nou. But to end positively (!) I thought yesterday's performance was very good against a genuinely excellent opponent. But jeez, didn't that centre half throw the point away for them at the end?? That was an Eboue moment if ever I saw one!!

  150. Far far away fan

    Feb 15, 2016, 8:08 #83722

    Hurray!!!! We collectively prayed us to victory. I could almost sense the 60000 minds collectively guide the ball into the net. Jubilant as I am, I hope that we have hunted down the Foxes for us to claim the title rather than Spurs to overhaul the weakened leaders. As I mentioned before, it is OT and WHL that I'm saving my true celebrations for. Win there and I'll go to work naked for a week.