Quality Tells

Online Ed: Gunners fall to sucker punch v Barcelona



Quality Tells


It was the third time Barcelona had visited Arsenal since the move from Highbury. A thrilling 2-2 draw in 2010 was followed by a 2-1 Gunners victory in 2011. Five years on, it was the Catalan side’s turn to take the spoils.

It was expected. European and World Champions, on a 30 match plus unbeaten run in all competitions, Luis Enrique started the same eleven that took the field when his side won the final of this competition last June in Berlin. Arsenal fielded what one imagines the manager might currently believe to be his strongest eleven if everyone was fit, minus Santi Cazorla.

Arsenal made a decent fist of it for most of the game, and created good chances. They were either fluffed or called upon Marc- Andre ter Stegen in the Barca goal to pull off a couple of excellent saves. Ultimately, they were not clinical enough. Chances were never going to be numerous at this level, and there was no place for profligacy. On such margins are these ties decided. Just ask Nicklas Bendtner, who could have put his team through on away goals at the Nou Camp in 2011 with a late chance.

You can debate the reasons why, but as the Evening Standard stated last night, Barcelona’s three top scorers this season, predictably the front line of Suarez, Neymar and Messi, have netted 91 goals this season in all competitions. Arsenal’s best three (Giroud, Sanchez and Walcott) have mustered 34. Do the Maths.

Arsenal’s best hope was to play exactly the way they did for the first 70 minutes. Soak up the pressure and select their moments to go forward as a unit, always wary of the sudden break. Barcelona controlled the ball for the most part, but dangerous attempts were few and far between. 0-0 would have been an acceptable result.

After the match, the manager accused his players of not learning from the Monaco match when referring to the counter attack that led to the opening goal. It was a rapier-like combination between Neymar, Suarez and Messi that demonstrated the precision passing and clinical finishing the Gunners had failed to find at the key moments. I’d like to think one of the defenders could have stopped the move with a cynical foul, but I am uncertain they ever got close enough without the benefit of a TV replay I have yet to see.

The second goal saw Per Mertesacker trying to retain possession with a light touch in his own penalty area to cushion the ball off for Flamini. Call me old fashioned, but when the opposition are attacking, I am in favour of the Steve Bould approach of getting the ball away from the area without thought of possession or finesse. There is a time and a place for centre backs to demonstrate their ball skills, and if I were to draw up a list of those, facing Barcelona and doing it in your own penalty area would be pretty low down. The resultant foul by Flamini on Messi and converted penalty cost Arsenal any semblance of hope that they could turn the tie around.

Credit to the team for a good 70 minutes, fashioning some very decent opportunities and giving the fans hope. The atmosphere in the stadium was very healthy for much of the game, and it was good to hear the ref being given the bird so frequently and so loudly. That pressure did not actually influence him, but it is worth persevering with. I found him surprisingly lenient for a European tie, and certainly a few more yellow cards would have probably helped Arsenal’s cause rather than the visitors. Another ref might have sent Jordi Alba off for what looked like a headbutt on Olivier Giroud. Were the Frenchman in a Barcelona shirt, he might have gone down writhing in pain clutching his head, and for all their beauty, the visitors displayed elements of the beast last night with selective fouling the referee chose not to punish them for beyond the award of a free kick.

However, ultimately, look at it this way. How would Aaron Ramsey look in the Barcelona midfield? Theo Walcott on their right wing? How many of Arsene Wenger’s players would get into the Barcelona side? There is only one Arsenal player Barcelona have their eyes on these days and it would be little surprise to see Hector Bellerin rock up at the Nou Camp to replace Dani Alves this summer. The Catalans let Arsenal have one of the club’s best current players in Alexis Sanchez because he was surplus to their requirements.

Ivan Gazidis told fans in the summer of 2013 that, "This year we are beginning to see something we have been planning for some time, which is the escalation in our financial firepower. That is going to happen partly into next season, it is part way available now in the summer, but the following season as well. It is a progression over the next two seasons and is quite significant for the club. We should be able to compete at a level like a club such as Bayern Munich. I am not saying we are there by any means, we have a way to go before we can put ourselves on that level, but this whole journey over the past 10 years really has been with that goal in mind."

Well Ivan, on the evidence of last night’s performance, you have a collection of players that will give of their best, but aren’t quite good enough to “compete at a level like a club such as Bayern Munich”, which for the avoidance of confusion, would mean habitually challenging for the domestic title and progressing to the semi finals of the Champions League. My own view is that you need to look at the club’s internal youth development, transfer activity and how the team is managed if you want to get anywhere near the German club (who had just won the Champions League at the time he spoke those words after making the final the season before).

Arsenal played well and could have won last night’s game, given the opportunities they created. However, at decisive moments, this team generally falls short against top opposition when the pressure is really on. Despite an admirable record of qualifying for the Champions League every season since 1998, the Gunners have not reached the quarter final stage in the last six attempts. Progress?

Let’s see whether a return to domestic affairs on Sunday changes the mood. Defeat at Old Trafford would be unthinkable.

I am now on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

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  1. Jason B

    Feb 28, 2016, 21:49 #84675

    Absolute disgrace.Once again we bottle it in Europe.Even worse we can't even beat the worst united team in years.About time he went and took Ozil,sanchez,Cech,e.t.c with him.All have done proper **** all in recent matches

  2. mbg

    Feb 25, 2016, 18:41 #84497

    My last post obviously refers to English keepers, just in case wenger apologists start bumming and blowing about Cech who happen to land on they're messiah's lap through circumstances, and who he had to think long and hard about and consider before committing.

  3. mbg

    Feb 25, 2016, 18:30 #84495

    jw, there's a glut of good keepers in England alright and not one of them plays for Arsenal, or hasn't for ten years plus or more now, that says it all, the last one ? Seaman ? and signed by George Grahame who TOF inherited, you can just imagine Hart or any of these other English keepers landing up at Arsenal three or four years ago and encountering TOF's regime and his keeper coaches (sorry nodding dog yes men)God help them they'd have been ruined and long gone and forgotten now.

  4. jeff wright

    Feb 25, 2016, 17:12 #84487

    The running around bit Bard is as discredited as the Wenger possession wins games nonsense that was once the flavor of the month - or months - with AKB's. Odd how all of the theories of Arsene end up being proven wrong... who can forget the Platini's Fair Play Rules would put us on top claims that were argued by some as though this was written in stone... ,how is Plato getting on these days... oh ! Then we had the no one can compete with the clubs that have big money to spend... now changed by Arsene to ,you don't need to spend money to compete... Almunia for England made sense of course at the time he would have fitted in nicely with the rest of the clowns under the Capo di tutti. Joe Hart looks head and shoulders above 'the waiter' though and England suddenly have a glut of good GK's ... along with the rest of the league and Championship... that is if you believe the latest wheeze from the faithful that it's all down to dastardly Goalies making saves that prevents our heroes from scoring ... You couldn't make it up.

  5. mbg

    Feb 25, 2016, 16:27 #84480

    Bard, so the cart horse could have actually done us a favour by not scoring, love it, LOL.

  6. Bard

    Feb 25, 2016, 15:55 #84477

    Jeff; am in complete agreement with that sentiment. They didnt play especially well because they didnt have to. if we had of scored they would have gone up through the gears. Interesting stat at half time. Messi had run about as far as both keepers. So much for running around like a headless chicken.

  7. jjetplane

    Feb 25, 2016, 14:55 #84466

    So the BFG (lol!) thinks the forwards should score and that is the nail on the head for Westie. Suarez cannot score for love of money has only got 41 goals and it's February. Westie was saying when everyone is back this team will be truly invincible. Another cheque in the post for that unwavering if barmy believer .... Least Westie now accepts this team are rubbish which brings us back to the evolution narrative so beloved of AKB seniors duh it's a devolution buddies!

  8. jeff wright

    Feb 25, 2016, 13:32 #84462

    Tbh,mbg I eckon the Barca GK would have been disappointed to have not saved that Olly header .It was hardly a Banks /Pele type world class save .You see them all the time nothing really special about Olly's header being pushed aside .The real damage to our slim hopes of a win were done by the misses from Ramsey and AOC -but I thought that Messi and o could have stepped up a gear or two if required and they did score 2 goals anyway albeit playing with the handbrake on as Arsene would say.

  9. mbg

    Feb 25, 2016, 12:32 #84456

    jw, yes indeed where are they all ? was there a cave in at central command yesterday when they were saying prayers for they're messiah ? maybe all that chanting brought the walls down, but your right they'll dig themselves out by Sunday if we scrape a win or even a credible draw.

  10. mbg

    Feb 25, 2016, 12:22 #84455

    I would have thought we'd have heard the tired old AKB chestnut by now, we get up brush ourselves off and go again, by now, I suppose it's early yet or maybe the AKB's have eventually realised how stupid that statement sounds, my God we must have went through some brushes over the last ten years, thanks to this old past it manager.

  11. mbg

    Feb 25, 2016, 12:12 #84452

    The spin has started the cart horse reckons stegeos save from his header was the turning point in the game, You couldn't make it up you really couldn't, and the funniest thing of all is, him and TOF actually believe it, and even funnier still, his gullible disciples will also and reckon we were unlucky, you don't know whether to laugh or cry.

  12. jeff wright

    Feb 25, 2016, 11:34 #84448

    Bard, Colseyboy ,Ken and Barbie ,lee KFC,Six and all the rest of the gang love Arsene because he knows best and he has worked a day in football so he must be right. The gang though have been noticeable by their absence on here recently - apart from a very angry quickie from Ken he does get a bit overwrought and fears that Barcelona are trying to sign Ozil - you couldn't make it up - but fear not as soon as we actually win a game again they will be back - real heroes these guys.

  13. Bard

    Feb 25, 2016, 10:24 #84443

    Westie; Of course its true we need to start scoring goals. The point you omit is that we have had striker problems since RVP left. Most of us have been banging on for 2 years that we have needed to sign a top class one. It was the same with keepers and DM's. Its blindingly obvious and you dont have to have worked a day in football to see it. I dont know how many opportunities to win trophies have gone begging because of Wenger's stubborn stupidity.

  14. Juggernaut

    Feb 25, 2016, 10:08 #84442

    @Mr Angry (post 89300) - I know what you mean, mate. I will be incandescent with rage, let me tell you, if he does that. Utterly incandescent.

  15. Roy

    Feb 25, 2016, 10:07 #84441

    You're right Kev, defeat at OT would be unthinkable - under normal circumstances, that is. But unless we rediscover our scoring boots, that's exactly what's going happen despite the fact that everything should be in our favour ( apart from being away ). You just know our tactical genius will find a way to f**k it up - just like he has in the home leg of the last 16 CL for the last six seasons. The disturbing thing is that there are those still out there who think it is just coincidence or bad luck - what a joke. I, like many others have no confidence left in the present regime with their cosy arrangement. Wenger out.

  16. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 25, 2016, 9:03 #84440

    All that I think will be left at the end of this season will be hype and money. 200 million dollars or pounds in the bank (according to exchange rates at the time) and with 15 minutes left and looking to try to change a game, one of the richest clubs in the world sends on a 30 year old French journeyman, whose first piece of action was to make it 0-2 to the opposition - comical. I was in London over the weekend (saw a very good play for the price of watching Arsenal) and in Carnaby Street Puma have a sports store, on the window was a giant image of Giroud with a title next to him, wait for it, "Unstoppable" My wife was with me and I could not stop laughing - no Puma and Arsenal only Messi is unstoppable!

  17. Westlower

    Feb 25, 2016, 8:48 #84439

    Mertesacker hit the nail on the head by saying the forwards have to help out by scoring goals. We know from experience that its easier said than done. Even Suarez missed an open goal from a few yards away. Arsenal should have taken the lead v Barcelona, but the goals have dried up with a plethora of players on the cold list in front of goal. Sanchez hasn't scored in the PL since the Watford game on Oct 17th. Walcott has scored one from his last 13 appearances. Giroud hasn't scored since Anfield on Jan 13th. Ramsey has gone 6 games since his last goal. Campbell has scored 3 from 33 matches. Ox has taken 5 seasons to score 14. Time to step up at OT chaps, because the opposition are armed, dangerous & apparently, very horny at the prospect of us softies turning up?

  18. Jamerson

    Feb 25, 2016, 5:03 #84438

    Mes que un club. Imagine if Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea, or Real Madrid had ‘more than a club’ as their motto. It would be laughable. Yet Barcelona roll out this axiom with a straight face. They are loved for it. In one sense, the Catalan club are right. Barca are a rapacious moneymaking operation with an eye on global domination. They have managed to make people believe they are underdogs. That they care. It’s the biggest con job since the devil convinced the world he didn’t exist.Barca are a bunch of diving dagos run by a bunch of crooks.

  19. Petrovic

    Feb 25, 2016, 2:40 #84437

    How is it that every keeper on the planet has a blinder against Arsenal weekbin week out?!?!

  20. DW Thomas

    Feb 24, 2016, 23:30 #84436

    We all know this team are only capable of beating decent sides on their day let alone a team with the best attacking trio maybe ever assembled?? On their first goal, if you rewatch it again, the defending was horrible by Per, Coq, Monreal and even Bellerin. Ramsey does nothing for us. Sure he can run at average speed for days, but he is a liability for me. Plus with Ozil not doing defending, and Sanchez ineffective lately, we can't score. And Flamini?? He had a good season in 08 with Cesc when we flopped at the end of that season, but he is an accident waiting to happen. Should have bought Schneiderlin. Should have bought another top defender. We are ALWAYS needing more than we have, but the squad is never completed. Then you have Ramsey talking Barcelona? You're having a laugh! Theo does nothing. Ox has regressed. All under a long past it manager. That first goal, and second were easily preventable. There is no real defensive leader on this team. No big, strong personalities. Just young, immature spoiled princes. Per's attempted settle to Flamini is an example of the stupid decisions supposed experienced WC winners make under Wengers tutelage! Every year it is the same! We are all mugs for expecting anything different. Then look at Pochetino. He has a vibrant young squad playing well. Sure, all the top 5 are down this year, but we find it tough going against sides like Southhampton! We should have been desperately trying to get Pep. But when cash over glory is the club motto...

  21. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 22:51 #84435

    You just have to read these comments on here today and tonight to know this club needs a change, a complete over haul in fact, it really does, starting with the old not fit for purpose manager, and anyone who doesn't think that's the case is completely deluded and not an Arsenal supporter.

  22. Jude

    Feb 24, 2016, 22:49 #84434

    CT Gooner: How much time have you got, mate? The abridged answer: He's not very good at football. I don't give a toss about a small window a few seasons ago when he was in amongst the goals. The bottom line is that he's reverted to type -- plain and simple. For whatever reason, the distances he runs, and the perception that he tries really hard is supposed to make up for the fact that he constantly gives the ball away and offers next to nothing in the final third. It comes down to a lack of quality. There are myriad excuses offered by his defenders. So what, pray tell, are last night's? He was rested in the cup tie, and puts in that type of performance? He was completely outclassed. In the meantime, I'll support the team, and hope he leaves or is sold sooner rather than later. I know most find it difficult to countenance, but the reality is that we have too many bang average players (see e.g. Theo and Ox).

  23. CT Gooner

    Feb 24, 2016, 22:41 #84433

    Exactly Bob. Wouldn't Elneny have offered more?? Really Sid, dragging the tired "there's no one better" argument out again. There are many who'd beg to differ....

  24. Gaz

    Feb 24, 2016, 22:27 #84432

    Thought we played pretty well for seventy minutes and were just undone by a couple of moments of really poor defending. That said Giroud was mostly awful and our own big name players failed to show up. In isolation though this wasn't a terrible night. Unfortunately this game is far from being in isolation and it was just another knock out tie when Wenger and his side failed to deliver the goods in front of the highest paying customers in world football. And we can't even play the 'we were playing the best side in Europe again' card as last season we did exactly the same thing but that time against the competitions weakest side. Simple fact is Wenger never has and never will crack Europe as he's just not good enough. We could win the league but the mitigating circumstances are that go the first and probably last time ever our four major rivals are having just about their worst seasons ever. This means we're effectively in a three team fight with the mighty spurs and Leicester and if we don't win that fight what next for Wenger? Of course it should mean the sack and at any other Club it would do but we're not just any normal Club. Top four and another FA cup will keep the majority of customers happy and Wenger will get his new deal. Of course the move to the Emirates was supposed to see us compete for the two main trophies but his army of fans will turn a weak domestic trophy into something far greater. The irony is if any other supposedly top side celebrated winning the FA cup like we do we'd be taking the right Royal piss out of them. It's a weird old set up at Arsenal nowadays that's for sure...

  25. sid

    Feb 24, 2016, 22:22 #84431

    Forget the dismal comments on this site. Far, far to many irrelevant people who claim to have the club at heart. Do you know where Arsenal is. Do you attend or ever been to Highbury or the Emirates. I doubt it. The fact of the matter is......Moyes, Martinez, Klopp and all and sundry have been put forward into the melting pot to take over from Mr Wenger. I know who I prefer and will until the man decides to call it a day...

  26. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 21:52 #84430

    SKG, send the stiffs over ? they're all f*****g stiffs mate.

  27. GoonerBadger

    Feb 24, 2016, 21:47 #84429

    Taking the game in isolation, we actually played ok against the best team in the world, but for a couple of moments. No team is ever going to completely shut them out. However the issue for me is, in terms of competing at the very top we are miles behind the likes of Barca and Munich, and probably many others, yet we are charged the dearest prices in football to get in. So, we are charged on the basis we should be competing on a level playing field with these teams but in reality we are miles behind because the club won't spend the money to upgrade where necessary. Most likely in the summer Arteta, Flamini, Rosicky will leave, leaving us 3 players to get just to stand still, let alone progress. And I don't see us spending heavily to replace these players (ignoring the fact of underachievers. Walcott and the Ox and hat happens to them), so next season promises more of the same, and probably worse as Özil and Sanchez won't hang around for too much longer without quality additions!

  28. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 21:41 #84428

    Redshirts, spot on, bring back George Graham.

  29. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 24, 2016, 21:26 #84427

    Cornish Gooner, cannot agree with you about beating Utd, we are having trouble scoring goals and have a poor record at OT.

  30. Bob

    Feb 24, 2016, 20:51 #84426

    Whether Flamini or BFG were primarily responsible for the penalty, what was the point of bringing him on for Coquelin? It did not strengthen our attacking options, and hardly shored up the defence. A ridiculous change.

  31. bromley boy

    Feb 24, 2016, 19:37 #84425

    The big 5 clubs in England Arsenal Chelsea Liverpool Man city Man utd what have 4 of them got in common ? they will have all sacked or will replace there manager by the end of this season for under achieving if we end up finishing empty handed this season will we get rid of Wenger ? no chance, im not a wenger in or out kind of fan but under the current owners/manager i just cant see any light at the end of the tunnel

  32. CORNISH GOONER

    Feb 24, 2016, 19:20 #84424

    Have to agree with almost everything written here tonight - what a perceptive, sophisticated bunch of enthusiasts we have - even including the contributions from acknowledged AKBs. But one notable improvement on the AFC front has been sadly overlooked. Arthur Webster only took two attempts last night before successfully engaging "Le Zip". The depressing thing is that we will beat Man U & the AKB triumphalism will start all over again. Man U !!! - awful injury list, knackered from fixture overload, another past it Manager on borrowed time & berated by both fans & the Press. Would it not be a disgrace for any team with Title ambitions to fail to come away with 3 points? Oh, what the hell - nothing is going to change anyway. Looking forward to the rugby though!

  33. CT Gooner

    Feb 24, 2016, 18:51 #84423

    Interesting, I actually thought Ramsey had one of his worst games in an Arsenal shirt, and most are criticizing Ox and BFG. What about Walcott doing nothing with his 40 minutes, or Flamini coming on and hacking Messi? Quite similar to Monreal last weekend, poor defensive decision making. Back to Ramsey though, why is his form so poor??

  34. jjetplane

    Feb 24, 2016, 18:41 #84422

    Hiccup reckon if Messi himself read your last post he would be laughing! Last sentence is to die for and perhaps the AKBs could provide a manual for the more serious student. As someone said Las Palmas gave Barca more of a game last week and Webster's attempts to park the autodus with a water carrier as a driver is well hilarious. But that Messi first goal and the assist from Neymar .... I bet Ozil kicked his dog after that ....

  35. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2016, 18:29 #84421

    mbg, Wenger never won anything in Europe when he did have 5 world class players in our team, some of them have made less than complimentary comments regarding his tactical nous or lack of and his training and medical regimes. Wenger messed up a good chance to go on and win the European Cup when losing to Chelsea at Highbury . He settled for a draw in the first leg when we could have won the game with us being well on top. He's lost a ufea Cup final and a European one - the European one from a winning position - but down to having Almunia for a back-up GK with Lehmann sent off and his own bizarre substitutions he blew it. Too late now for him,but the charade goes on and yawn on.... you couldn't make it up.

  36. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 24, 2016, 18:26 #84420

    The players did the best they could. Bit rich of Wenger to call them naïve when they were just trying to follow his coaching e.g. trying to play out from the back when the penalty was given away. It's also naïve to think this PL season is the 'new normal'. It's highly likely that Man U, Man C and Chelsea will all be stronger and back to dominating the league next season, or at least 2 of the 3 will. Claiming this season is the way it's going to be from now on is just trying to avoid the 'make or break' narrative concerning Wenger's chances of ever winning the league again. Some will wish to go on believing in him even if Leics or Spurs beat us to the title - 'The league will always be like this now so Wenger can do it next season!'

  37. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 24, 2016, 18:22 #84419

    Bob Mathews : I 've been like that for a few years now, just letting all the nonsense and hype flow over me. Ron, you are spot on about Barca and football, they are probably the first club you think of when you discuss European football. Agree about poking them in the eye if we scored first, best result really 0-2, send the stiffs over there in 3 weeks time and lose another two or goals and it won't seem so bad.

  38. John F

    Feb 24, 2016, 18:15 #84418

    It was interesting to read Vermaelens comment on the training at Barca.They practice every training session pressing the ball when they haven't got it.Doing the rhondo as he calls it is part of their warm up routine.whilst at Arsenal they only practised this occasionally he added the most pressing he saw at Arsenal was the cleaning lady ironing the first team kit (might of made that last bit up).Along with Fabregas saying that Barca really study the opposition it makes you wonder what goes on in the Arsenal training ground.Barca have world class players complemented by good coaching and tactics Arsenal have?

  39. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Feb 24, 2016, 18:07 #84417

    As an aside can anyone imagine Wenger in charge of the 94 side in the cup winners cup final against Parma and getting the tactics spot on and the same result as we got that night? In a one off game George Graham would have wenger on toast and his players would strike the fear of God into the money obsessed pansies that masquerade as today's Arsenal

  40. ON THE CHEAP

    Feb 24, 2016, 18:00 #84416

    Trying to win or at least come 4th, 3rd or 2nd ON THE CHEAP as really cost Arsenal. But Wenger is obsessed with trying to do it on the cheap. Giroud is better than Sanogo, Chamakh, Bendtner – but he is still not a To 10 European strikers at a time when Arsenal can actually afford one of them. Cech is way way better than Szcesny, Fabianski, Almunia and it takes us all back to Lehmann in that we finally feel we have a keeper. If I was Ozil or Alexis or Cech I would be upset with the boss that instead of wasting all that time and money on several crap Players last 5 years, the club invested in fewer higher quality ones. It is clearly the strategy of the Club + Management to do things this way. ON THE CHEAP (except for the tickets) and lets see how far Wenger can take them. Answer is clear. it doesnt work

  41. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 17:57 #84415

    jj, yes indeed the ackbees are very scarce on the ground tonight I wonder why ? is there another lock down at central command with prayers been said for they\\'re messiah ?or are they just realising now what a lot of us have known for years.

  42. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 17:47 #84414

    jw, good post and spot on, if TOF would have spent big on real top top Qualitee players he'd have been really found out and he knew and knows it, the old fraud, he wouldn't have had a clue how to manage, train, and coach them, (and they'd soon have told him) so letting the world (and his disciples) know (what a lot of us already do)and see what he's really like an old fraud who couldn't manage a brothel, instead he's happy to persist with mediocrity and second raters and let and allow them to take the blame for his own failings and misgivings, and in the process still putting up a false façade that he actually knows what he's doing and a great manager that obviously all his gullible disciples still buy into and believe. wenger out.

  43. jjetplane

    Feb 24, 2016, 17:39 #84413

    It's fine the players being naive as long as the mental speeerit is bit good ...... Look Arnold has been a long top top time in this game and as Westie and Perry say - he is a genius and as long as he is the manager we will stick by him. So get your plastic bags out - any old supermarket ones will do, place them on your head 'cause we're off to a very wounded OT. Well I'm not because I am off to watch Newhaven who are the Barca of er East Sussex. Seriously though - as anyone seen one of those bags in the wind and where is Colsey my main man .....

  44. Hiccup

    Feb 24, 2016, 17:29 #84412

    Kevin, you'll be upsetting the happy clappers by suggesting the first goal could have been stopped by a cynical foul. Come now, that's not the Arsenal way. Pique's professional foul that got him booked was cynical, and necessary. Most fans of both sides understand it and accept it, apart from a few bird brains on here. I think Ramsey tried to foul on the half way line when a barca player broke but couldn't even succeed in that. Thank god he didn't succeed otherwise he'd be labelled as the type of player we don't want at Arsenal. Let's leave the ankle tapping tactics to Chelsea. Where's it ever got them? As for the penalty, the ref couldn't get his whistle to his mouth quick enough to give it. I'm still not sure there was contact? Messi was always looking for it and had no intention of staying on his feet. The ball had veered 30 degrees from the trajectory of his standing foot and his hips were at the opposite angle of his leading leg, which leads me to believe he dived. Time for another petition me feels.

  45. John Gage

    Feb 24, 2016, 17:16 #84411

    There's no point calling your players "naive" when you're the one who has selected, trained and coached them. They may be "naive" but Arsene Wenger has done nothing about it.

  46. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 17:08 #84410

    What I want to know is what happened to the plastic bags.

  47. Mark from Aylesbury

    Feb 24, 2016, 16:16 #84409

    Is it possible that Wenger is projecting his own issues. I.e we were Naive. Real meaning 'I am naive'. How can a team be perpetually naive? Either they follow the game plan or they don't. One suspects that the lack of indepth detail on the opposition (Cesc confirmed this) suggests there is very little to work on. Therefore the players aren't naive its Mr Wenger

  48. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2016, 16:14 #84408

    John A, with Wenger and the Kroenke regime it's all about perpetrating optimism with spin and performing illusions for supporters to accept as being reality. Wenger lost the plot last night because if as he wanted the game had ended 0-0 he could have put spin on this aided and abetted by the dopey AKB's that sustain him in his job with their support .Even though he knows that a 0-0 score would not have sufficed in the Nou Camp anymore than did the 2-0 that we led BM by when playing them away in our group with us losing 5-0 .Wenger might as well have gone for broke and played his usual Kevin Keegan style football of let's see who can score the most goals.He knows though who that would have been and it was not himself.As for Stan giving Wenger 200m to spend no chance of that ever happening and when Diamond Danny once asked Wenger what would he do if he gave him 100m to spend the reply was,I would give it straight back to you ,because I don't need to spend big money. That's what the Diamond Geezer wanted to hear and so does Stan .Wenger would have been fired long ago if he had spent big time and produced nothing to show for it as it is though Stan is happy with things as they are ,loads of lovely money being made on the cheap every season and more still next term to come ,so what is there not to be happy about. Good old Arsene

  49. RedPig

    Feb 24, 2016, 16:00 #84407

    So Wenger calls his players naïve? This from the man who picked exactly the same set of players that have been naïve many times in the past … but still he expected something different from them. Oh the irony! As for what Gazidis said – if he was challenged about it - he would merely find a long convoluted way of showing how the last 2 and a half seasons have proved him right. Wenger and Gazidis are like the most odious of politicians although if Wenger was doing his job properly, none of us would much care what Gazidis says.

  50. John Devine Intervention

    Feb 24, 2016, 15:57 #84406

    Champions League knock out record since the 2006 final: Played 27, won 7, drew 6, lost 14. Says it all

  51. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 15:45 #84405

    Charles, good post, as usual the booing and all the rest is directed at the wrong person.

  52. Ron

    Feb 24, 2016, 15:35 #84404

    John A - You're not going to see a better AFC team than that under Wenger im afraid. I wouldn't like to see the Club hand him 200 mill to spend on another boat load of injury prone, delicate 'winger' cum 'midfielders' of which nobody can discern what they are supposed to be for years on end either. Most of us have had a belly full of that.

  53. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 15:27 #84403

    Redshirts, of course we can he's an arrogant egoistic old past it manager who in his own mind is never wrong (and the mind of his disciples) even when it's plain to see, and then it's always somebody else's fault. Go now old man.

  54. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 15:17 #84402

    TJ, and you can be sure that will be used as an excuse when the time comes by the wenger apologists.

  55. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 15:06 #84401

    No doubt this means the FA Cup will become important again for TOF and his lap dogs.

  56. John A

    Feb 24, 2016, 14:56 #84400

    While people salivate over the Barca front 3 we seem to forget that we have 2 world class players. The problem is that Alexis has lost his form and Ozil relies on being given the ball which did not happen. If the team had confidence in them selves they would go out and look to play the opponents off the park. Last night the aim seemed to be 0-0 and we smoke a cigar - what and then get stuffed in Spain what's the point? Giroud, Walcott Ox Flamini BFG are the weakness in the team and need replacing. There is just Santi at the right level for these games so 4 top quality replacements needed - surely £200 m will get you that?

  57. Bob Matthews

    Feb 24, 2016, 14:12 #84399

    I think last night was the first time in 50 years of supporting and watching Arsenal that i sat back relaxed and almost resigned to the inevitable outcome of the match. I never swore,jumped to my feet or hung my head.I just sat there waiting for it to play out and finish. I am no longer excited and i am almost disinterested. Thank you Arsene . I want my old club back , the one that had fight, soul and passion not this corporate money grabbing imitation that you have helped others turn us into.

  58. New record

    Feb 24, 2016, 13:50 #84398

    Not a single post today with an out and out defense of the greatest ever manager. Has Grima Wormtongues spell over the Arsenal faithful finally been broken?

  59. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2016, 13:45 #84397

    Ken I suggest you stick to shagging your blow up Barbie Doll instead of fantasizing about homosexual sex acts.

  60. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Feb 24, 2016, 13:35 #84396

    Wenger is feeling the pressure!! He knows if Tottenham or Leicester City win the pl he is finished!! And knows he has to go!! You can see it his face and you can see he is more vocal in his abuse of the players. The chickens are coming home to roost!! He has put big faith in these clowns and refused to sign anyone apart from Cech in the summer. He can't keep blaming players who are clearly average and naive as he said as he bought them and picks them!! THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST!! HE LOOKS PANICKED

  61. Guy in Jersey

    Feb 24, 2016, 13:27 #84395

    Last night was no surprise, and we were lucky that Barca had an off night. They played at about the same level that they did against Las Palmas on Saturday and, at least, Las Palmas gave them a bit of a scare. I can't believe people are wondering how many of our players would get in their team. There are only wto players who would get in their squad - Cech and Bellerin. They wouldn't have Ozil, and they got rid of Sanchez. And the disposal of Sanchez sums up the HUGE difference between the two teams. They get rid of top players to get in someone they consider even better - we lose top players because they want to go somewhere better. Barca would never have paid a ridiculous £15 million for a non-scoring international striker like Wellbeck, and yet some Arsenal supporters are hoping he can spur us on to the title. Yes, Danny Wellbeck (who has an appalling strike rate of one goal in every five appearances) is going to fire us to the title!!!! Get real.

  62. Ron

    Feb 24, 2016, 13:26 #84394

    HI Kev - truth is that we made a go of it v a team that wasn't in particularly good nick. We got lucky really. Many of those players are shown for the journeymen they are v opposition like that. its a one off type of opponent in fairness. They can thrash ANY team in the World. All that was needed from our surly french proff was an acknowledgement of that. In stead we got his huff and peek about naivety and technically poor etc etc. The guy is just awful. Hes got a horrid attitude. Yes we could have scored a goal, but at what risk? Our scoring might have poked the tiger in the eye and made it a worse night i suspect. The great sulk in has started maybe. It always does with him. Our average players gave it a right go. They were never going to win the tie anyway. Barcelona are almost a cert to be the first to retain the CL i think. They are a bunch of divers and cheats too no matter how good on the eye they are and skilled, but its up to an opponent to have the same match play nous. Arsenal have none and havent had for donkeys years. The Cubs presence in the CL is for the money and the annual demise at this stage. AFC are happy. The better players no doubt arent, but how many of them would be gteed a move to a far superior team than Arsenal? I suggest none of them would. 0-2 was decent. The bonus is that last night marked another step in the footpath of Wengers departure, though another Coach will have the same businessmen to work with at the top. AFC are highly unlikely to ever win the ECL in truth. Fans who crave it are well intentioned but silly. We arent set up to go further in it than we do. The irony is that many of the same fans state their detest of the set ups of the Clubs that are. I can empathise with that, but if you want the big eared thing, you need what Madrid Munich and Chelsea and Utd have these days. Barca are a special club with a special infrastructure with which to create what they do. Football to them is what Rugby is to a Kiwi, its a 'religion' and as such they will always prevail beyond what mortal teams can achieve.

  63. Charles

    Feb 24, 2016, 13:12 #84393

    The booing of the referee was excellent, if only the manager could get the same treatment. WENGER OUT.

  64. Jude

    Feb 24, 2016, 13:10 #84392

    How would Aaron Ramsey look in the Barcelona midfield? You're having a laugh. Let's be honest. He was rubbish. Once again, he's all effort and no end product. Surely Barcelona prefer players with composure and ability to retain possession, and not all-action headless chickens.

  65. Ken

    Feb 24, 2016, 13:06 #84391

    "It looks also as if it's not happy families behind the scenes with stroppy Sanchez ,who according to an ex-girl friend back in Brazil is a complete twa*t of the highest order as a person and confirmed by those at Barcelona who knew him and now with stories about his ego at AFC appearing . He apparently doesn't speak to Wenger for days on end in training if something has annoyed him. There is a difference between players who demand that stand up and be counted and sulking prima donas with massive egos ." Nothing like a jilted ex for an unbiased account, eh Jeff? Speaking of which, I heard you offered to su*ck off a janitor at Emirates for some beer money. He apparently turned you down due to crusty mould surrounding your mouth. Apparently this was one of your first visits to Arsenal, and the rejection cut to the core. Apparently you've been a hater ever since. You couldnt make it up

  66. jjetplane

    Feb 24, 2016, 13:02 #84390

    Anyone know if Wear Your Colours is an automated response from marketing? Just watched highlights and you have to love Suarez who misses as many as he scores but it would be silly to have scored 82 goals by February .... The trident goal said it all and there was a time when an Arsene team could this in the PL but dropped off markedly over the years and the Arshavin goal is damning evidence of how far this team has devolved. So much for the AKB evolution bull**** memo of the past decade. Excellent post from Baddie and glad to see you have finally made it over! Back to the highlights and interesting moment needing much deconstruction is Ozil (the invisible man) after the first goal remonstrating with his teammates - Ramsay was not amused so all bodes well for a majestical run-in .... Ozil - player of the year .... duh .... Anyone heard from Jamerson or 'his slave' ...? (& we'll have Fun Fun Fun ...) Without Cech it could have been 5 or 6 nil which is scarey!

  67. David

    Feb 24, 2016, 12:55 #84389

    With regard to competing at the same level as Bayern Munich - it's a bit far-fetched. How about matching and overtaking Chelsea first? Haven't the chavs been in 7 semis and two finals in the last 12 years? They have actually won the CL. Let's get things in perspective here. It's hard to see Arsenal achieving the dream of CL success with Wenger in charge.

  68. Mark T

    Feb 24, 2016, 12:54 #84388

    We huffed and puffed and showed a degree of desire too often missing. But the burning truth is Barcelona never got out of second gear. We played better than we have for a while. They were some way below par. And we still lost; which demonstrates just how big the gulf is between us and the best. Flamini coming on to 'save the game' pretty much summed it up. Roll-on next year, as at least we all know what that holds in store for us. More of the same.

  69. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 12:47 #84387

    ArseneKnewBest, I would say he's lost the dressing room years ago, but the pussy nice boy players in it haven't the balls to do anything about it, and don't want to, because TOF has them all bought with nice contracts and games that they know they'd get nowhere else in England or Europe, they're sitting nice and cosy where they are and they know if they did rock the boat the new man would f**k half of them off and they'd end up where they belong in the French or English second division. wenger out.

  70. Alsace

    Feb 24, 2016, 12:39 #84386

    I found last night's game strangely enjoyable, but only because I put myself in the mindset of a lesser team, say from the Conference about to meet a really good well coached team from the higher leagues, for example Leicester City. I managed not to get too annoyed as the same old mistakes were repeated again and again. I can imagine why Sanchez doesn't talk to Wenger for days on end. It's the same reason that any player worth his salt ends up showing contempt for the manager. He is not a top manager, but a man whose superiors are content with mediocrity , negligence and incompetence. Wenger is also content with mediocrity, negligence and incompetence. Our guys didn't do too badly last night. They would ALL be 30% better with a decent coach. The best of them will try and go in the summer. No one likes working for an idiot, especially not with a short career path.

  71. Mr Angry

    Feb 24, 2016, 12:29 #84384

    I'll be livid if Wenger fields a scratch team in the Hull replay, livid!

  72. Same Ole same ole

    Feb 24, 2016, 12:17 #84382

    If you replaced Merteseker and Giroud with Quality i think we could challenge every year. small things when they are done regulary start to accumulate. Merts is simply not a commanding centre back - hes full of small errors as he is so passive. Giroud tries but really does not have the quality

  73. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 12:11 #84381

    It was expected, nobody gave us any hope not even ourselves, that says it all as to where we are now, no further on whatsoever than we were then years ago, Sad. Time for change (and has been for years now)go now old man.

  74. Selfie Kings

    Feb 24, 2016, 12:09 #84380

    Let's face it, the only time we've done anything in the Champions League under Wenger was the season Keown was coaching the defence. Left to his own devices Le Fraud still after all these years doesn't have a clue how to compete in Europe.

  75. Torbay gooner

    Feb 24, 2016, 12:00 #84379

    Wear your colours, funniest post of the day so far.

  76. jjetplane

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:55 #84378

    'Dirty, cheating Barca' playing in third gear swat Arsene FC away. In some ways it's crueler than a tonking as they seem to pity Arsene FC who would be a possible top six in la liga .... Say what you want about Barca - they are the best football team ever and maybe Bellerin will make the mark there. It really is sour grapes from the most under performing club in world football. But I guess if you have an aging, defeatist accountant in charge you get what you merit - zilch. His comments that the tie is over would be a sackable offence anywhere else. If BM were in the position they would not be throwing the towel. Disgusting, pathetic and oh for a Poch at the helm or a Koeman - they understand the global game and that it does not reside in merely selfies, shirt selling and the odd Karaoke - ****ing circus!

  77. Highbury Boy

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:53 #84377

    Disappointing result after we had some decent chances especially in the first half. A 0-0 was looking likely before we went gung-ho as GG used to say. the game then opened out too much.Can understand Wenger being upset immediately afterwards as many of them had put in much more effort than usual but bit rich to blame the players as being naive again. These are all his players. Everyone of them acquired by him,some at high prices and some for nothing. All coached by him many for many years.He has shown faith in them as demonstrated by buying no senior outfield players in the last 2 windows. I know he has little control once they go on the pitch but as fans we have all seen it before so why should he think last night their naive behaviour would be different? Why were subs not warming up as soon as Ox started hobbling in the first half not long after he scuffed his chance? Then when he got badly injured when he broke on the right and didn't cross? I was certain he would be replaced at half time. But no. Still no subs warming up in the 2nd half when he was clearly having trouble running back to cover and Barca almost scored. And instead of going down and waiting for the ball to be kicked into touch he just carried on. Unprofessionalism by both Wenger and Ox. Nothing will change.

  78. Bard

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:50 #84376

    Wear yr colours; Im all for optimism but that last post was deluded mate. You cannot be seriously suggesting that we are capable of going to Barca and overturning a 2-0 deficit. I dont know which team you have been watching all season. As Jeff pointed out we havent scored in 5 of the last 8 games. We are not going to suddenly morph into a ruthless, defensively tight team in 3 weeks. The CL has gone we need to concentrate on securing 4th place.

  79. Mark from Aylesbury

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:50 #84375

    Interesting to see all sides of the family agreeing with each other. It's like some horrid person has just called mother a terrible name. Perhaps a terrible comparison but think most people agree that from Wilshere, Ox , Walcott we can't keep all 3 and perhaps all 3 should go. I've just realised who that horrible person is ! It's bloody Spurs Anyway if they win the title you'll never hear the last of it. Had 4 odious twats in the pub last night. But think on this. Would Wenger then go? On a positive note glad Van Gaal survived a potential cup scare as this leaves them still open for us to get 3 points. Feel that the dreaded Spurs may drop 2 points as well. Let's hope!

  80. Begeegs

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:45 #84374

    Kevin - Gazidis wasn't lying with his statement. He was taken out of context. He meant from a commercial perspective rather than a footballing one. Accountants from around the world are unified in their praise for our businesses achievements in the competition for the Balance Sheet Trophy

  81. mbg

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:41 #84373

    It certainly does, and Quality is something we haven't got and not likely to have thanks to an old fraud of a manager and his failed philosophies, did Barca even get out of second gear ? wenger out.

  82. Kenny

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:35 #84372

    Kev you ask how many Arsenal players would get in the Barca team.Simple just one Cech.Arsenal huffed and puffed like a lower league team in the cup but the difference in class was there for all to see.We had 30% of the ball when in the prem we are used to 65 -70%.Ozil and Sanchez were poor.Its getting a habit for Ozil in the big CL games.Giroud was never and will never be good enough.It was criminal that Wenger didnt buy a striker last summer.But as Wenger says he will only buy if it improves his squad!!!.Its now 6 years running Wenger has been knocked out of the CL in the last 16 is his job in doubt?Not a chance.

  83. Wear Your Colours

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:30 #84371

    It was a very deflating result as we worked really hard all night; we got caught out by a rapid counterattack and conceded a clumsy penalty. For the most part we were well organised and disciplined in our defensive shape. I thought Mertesacker (despite his poor control in the run-up to their penalty), Bellerin and Coquelin all played very well to restrict the number of Barca opportunities. The front players worked very hard but were a little off form. Ozil, Alexis and Ramsey couldn’t sustain the link-up play on a frequent enough basis. We have given ourselves a tough task for the second leg but there is a lot of football between then and now. If Alexis, Giroud and Ramsey can find some goal scoring form in the coming weeks their added confidence should help. A 3-1 away victory at the Camp Nou would do the trick, but we will need to be pretty clinical with our finishing. COYG!

  84. Badarse

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:26 #84370

    Bard I thought of your amusing, but valid post last night-you really nailed it. Had a feeling it was an ominous post in it's joking way, as it proved to be. I genuinely don't get this, '...it's a crappy PL, and next season will be different so we'd better win it as it'll be our last chance to do so.' It isn't at all poor, just more equal. If you buy into that mentality it is mindless. I don't follow cricket, Jiminy reported me for stalking, but remember peeps years ago saying this country was rubbish and so was that country. I remember quizzing a guy saying if only a handful play the game and only one or two teams have mastered the art perhaps it's time to change the game. It stood to reason that they just had some teams better than others. So too the PL. With the money flooding in as hinted before in another post, this may become a trend-each season being even. We shall see, but there is no given that the bigger clubs will all suddenly find their mojos.

  85. chris dee

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:26 #84369

    Naive?Naive? How many more times and how many more seasons, are we gonna be naive?You would think the manager,not the players, would have sorted this out by now.No frigging excuses Arsene. It's now the league or get out Arsene ,the last thing we need is the ultimate nightmare of Spurs winning the Premiership.

  86. Mathew

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:23 #84368

    Comeon guys, who thought we are going to win this game anyway, so no disappointments there. A convincing win against ManU will make it even.

  87. Augustus Flair

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:21 #84367

    Bard: your highlighting of Messi's 'foot-feint' spot-on (see my post 89262). It was technique of the highest order (that much overused word 'genius' even) and the best football of the night. Compare and contrast to poor old Ox's dismal scuff earlier when in a similar position. And Gazidis thinks we're up at their level? The man's a fool.

  88. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:08 #84366

    Can you believe our own manager calling his players naive? Umpteen consecutive champions league appearances later and his players are still too naive to achieve any respectable level of success in this tiresome tournament? Well Msr Wenger that is a damning indictment on yourself as it is you and only you that picks these spineless pussies year in and year out whilst proclaiming you are only interested in signing 'super, super quality'. Does the mysterious Elneny not fit this category? As surely bringing on the hapless flamini to give away a penalty 45 seconds later suggests that Elneny does not fit into his own criteria for new signings. Just another lie amongst many then. This manager lacks the balls to really go out and back himself and sign the experienced quality players we need to ever have a chance of becoming a top side. The money is there we all know this, but he is frightened of not having the ready made excuses of 'petrol dollars' and 'financial doping' should he then fail. Just please leave and let someone else have a go. I can't take another groundhog season again next year. And whilst your at it take Walcott and chamberlain with you. There so called youth is no excuse anymore, they just aren't up to it and never will be. Remember the likes of Rocky, Adams et al were mainstays of title winning sides at the same age, but then they had the one thing this whole present day regime completely lack.....balls!!!!!!

  89. Bard

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:06 #84365

    Baddie; I agree with that assessment. Ox's form is sad to watch he is a shadow of the player he was. Theo is so passive for someone who's career is on the slide. I imagine his agent will be touting him around if he's got any sense. I cant imagine that even Wenger will keep him on next season.

  90. jeff wright

    Feb 24, 2016, 11:03 #84364

    It's just as well that Suarez and Neymar had an off -night otherwise the claims that we did not do so bad ( although we lost 2 0!) would look even sillier. Wenger's not gone 20 years in Europe with us without winning a pot for no good reason .The quality of teams is higher in the KO rounds in Europe against the sort that the luck of the draw throws up in the FAC . Albeit that Wenger, despite his success in winning 6 FAC's over the same period as he has failed to win any in European cup tournaments, often struggles against the lower sides - as we saw in the Wigan and Reading semis and for a large part of the final v Hull. He hardly covered himself in glory ether against them at home last Saturday in the drab 0-0. It used to be 1-0 to the Arsenal now it's down to just no goals for us with none scored in 5 out of our last 8 games. There is no sign either of anything much improving on that score.The buck for this lack of goals stops with Wenger and his refusal to sign a top striker . It looks also as if it's not happy families behind the scenes with stroppy Sanchez ,who according to an ex-girl friend back in Brazil is a complete twa*t of the highest order as a person and confirmed by those at Barcelona who knew him and now with stories about his ego at AFC appearing . He apparently doesn't speak to Wenger for days on end in training if something has annoyed him. There is a difference between players who demand that stand up and be counted and sulking prima donas with massive egos . It's looking like the remainder of the season is going to be a damage limitation exercise for Wenger ,he must be dreading the possibility of another drubbing at the Nou Camp having already suffered one this season at Bayern Munich off Pep's party-poopers.That was after wining the first leg 2-0,so much for the theory then that a 0-0 last night would have been a good result. You couldn't make it up . I can see the ' exciting' battle for 4th place back on the agenda later on with mad celebrations for having qualified to play in the 'Champions League again next season to follow so that we can go through the whole familiar story once again again. Good old Arsene

  91. Badarse

    Feb 24, 2016, 10:56 #84363

    Disappointing but half expected. We did well enough to hold them but that was only ever going to delay the inevitable, either in this leg or the next. Had the chances to change or affect the direction of the game and it didn't happen. Ox has been such a disappointment-I tipped him to have a very good season and he began it by scoring the winner in the Community Shield-now the lad is shot to pieces. On a more sombre note, if any note can be more sombre than last night's result, he looked to me as if he has damaged some knee ligaments. If he has stretched or torn a few fibres it is goodbye to his services-as much as they are currently-for a month or more. Mirror opposites. Theo came on, stood near the touchline, and watched the game. Danny came on and was the brightest thing in the whole evening for me. Fuelled and fired up, he was so mobile; popping up on the left, the right, and centre. Taking a ball in full flight on his chest, checking back, looking for the pass, up close and personal with their back line. Hungry and wanting. Theo stood admiringly nearby. Sunday roast at Old Trollope I hope.

  92. Torbay gooner

    Feb 24, 2016, 10:49 #84362

    You said it Kevin, how many of our players would get into Barca's side. IMO, Apart from Czech,no-one else would. We have a tough away game at Everton on the Saturday following the away leg, which should take priority, but the manager has already said he will pick a full-strength team. Why exactly? A fair few of this so called full strength team/1st choice bench really should be sold in the summer. However, they are more likely to be rewarded with enhanced contracts under this regime.

  93. Made Up Stat

    Feb 24, 2016, 10:46 #84361

    If Arsenal competing in the final 16 of the Champions League was ever to be an actual contest, I’d be disappointed right now.

  94. Bard

    Feb 24, 2016, 10:39 #84360

    It was a missed opportunity last night but in the grand scheme of things its irrelevant. Arsenal have no intention of investing in trying to win the CL, qualifying is the name of the game. Quite whether the club can spin this for many more seasons is an interesting question. We need get rid of 4/5 players and buy better replacements just to tread water let alone get to Barca's level. On a different tac, Messi's slight hesitation when he received the ball from Neymar that sent Cech to the floor was worth the admission price alone, sheer genius.

  95. Jamie

    Feb 24, 2016, 10:38 #84359

    "Ultimately, they were not clinical enough. Chances were never going to be numerous at this level, and there was no place for profligacy." Therein lies the same old crux of the matter. Mind you, no point in us buying a single-minded striker - we'd soon get around to coaching that particular asset out of him.

  96. Snowbiggee

    Feb 24, 2016, 10:37 #84358

    Perhaps before we start competing with Bayern we should win the Premier League first! The Champions League is nothing more than a cash cow to Arsenal.The reason why Wenger can earn 8 mill,Kreonke can take money out the club and Theo is paid £130,000 a week.That's all.It gives the Club another carrott to dangle in front of the guilable who continue to line their pockets.

  97. Fozzy

    Feb 24, 2016, 10:22 #84357

    Hugely frustrating evening. Didn't help with yet another weak, inept and incompetent ref display allowed their lot to cheat, play-act and seek an unfair advantage. They didn't need to do that. This was like watching the Odious Chavs from Fulham Dog Track. The Ox is turning into a luxury player like Walnutt. Time to move them both on.

  98. Mark

    Feb 24, 2016, 10:11 #84356

    Finish 2nd in the group stage check get drawn against the best team in the world check lose the first leg at home by 2 goals check out again in the last 16 check.Following Wenger's Arsenal is oh so predictable

  99. Westlower

    Feb 24, 2016, 10:00 #84355

    Hard to disagree with your thoughts Kevin. So frustrating as they had limited Barcelona to so few chances, although Suarez should have scored on half time but so should the Ox much earlier. Our best hope was to play for a goal less first leg & try to score in the return fixture. For 75% of the game all was well, looking relatively comfortable. I'd have brought on Campbell for Ox given Bellerin needed help with Neymar. The penalty incident just highlights how naive we are at times. The only sour note for me was the Barcelona players milking every contact made, they certainly know how to play the ref - naive they're not! Welbeck was the one bright spark in the attack, looking menacing with his runs. Alexis has lost his scoring boots at the moment. Ultimately it could have been a worse scoreline with Neymar & Suarez twice, missing sitters.

  100. Rob

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:58 #84354

    Gazedis's quote make horrible reading as it's so laughably at odds with reality. But then he couldn't care less and I shouldn't think the majority shareholder could either. Did he bother to show last night ? As for the Manager it is surely clear to even his most delusional cult followers that he will never win this competition if he stays here for the next twenty years. And yes that is tempting fate because he just might.4RkbHm

  101. King Jeremy

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:57 #84353

    Very hard to be critical as Barcelona are a class above. Good summation in the Telegraph this morning that states that Arsenal played ok, but ok is nowhere near good enough. The overall "ordinary" status of this team was laid bare, and it was worrying to see the looks on the faces of Ozil and Sanchez - it seems to be dawning on them the level could be achieving elsewhere and that Arsene has sold them a pup. Very worryingly lost in front of goal at the moment. Onwards to the top 4 trophy!

  102. TJ

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:42 #84352

    Not really upset as this was so predictable. Even if we had won, Barca would have annihilated us in the Camp Nou. They looked happy enough to be patient and even take a draw yesterday. The sad thing is, Wenger is almost certainly going to take a full starting XI to play an exhausting match with long travel, despite the fact that we stand no chance of undoing Barca. Why? Because he is obsessed with winning the CL. To lose at United would be appalling- they've got 13 players injured and will have played 3 games in 7 days by tomorrow. We also have a two extra rest days. The scary prospect is of Spurs winning the league- I'm happy just to focus on preventing that, but even in its weakened state, the EPL is probably beyond us too.

  103. Stian

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:37 #84351

    How much longer will it take before wenger understands that mertesacker is not up to it.

  104. Tony Evans

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:35 #84350

    Quality tells says it all really and until we dispense with 'potential' and invest in real quality we may as well forget the CL. Even the title next year will remain a pipe dream, once our rivals strengthen, if we faff about on the margins as usual.

  105. Martyn

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:35 #84349

    Could, and should have been a goal down early in second half after Wenger allowed an unfit ox onto the field leaving the left side of the pitch exposed. Cech kept us in it with a smart save. Leaving aside the 'we played well for 70 minutes' argument, this team cannot score goals and are not playing well. Newcastle should have beaten us at home, we couldn't score against the Saints, a poor Chelsea kept a clean sheet and we grabbed a last minute winner against the foxes. Is this the sign of confidence that we will go on and win the league? Frankly, I'm dreading OT on Sunday because I can't see this side putting in a title winning performance. Hopefully a refreshed Welbeck will come up with a solution because I can't see it coming from anyone else; and I include Alexis in that. Disappointing.

  106. Nick

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:32 #84348

    We lost ultimately because we couldn't take any of the reasonable amount of chances we had, yes two lapses of concentration and bad decision making cost us two goals but the penalty came when we had visibly had the stuffing knocked.out of us by the first. Our scoring problem was the main reason though , We had chances to take the lead and had contained Barcas threat, the biggest reason we didn't score was highlighted by Giroud in the box instead of turning TOWARDS goal turning AWAY and instead of shooting passed the ball to where Walcott had been and out of play, a true QUALITY striker would not do that he instinctively would go for goal,our forwards all suffer from this malaise right now, Wenger in his wisdom has not seen fit to address this problem in the last four windows in fact not since RVP sold us out, because he felt Wengers ideas were not the right ones, who of the two has been proven correct where CL and PL are concerned? Still I hadn't expected us to win this game and we wernt humiliated, I said not long ago that our next five games would define our season the first two have not given me confidence that we can get the essential results from the next three, I do not have include the return leg in Spain in that , to go through would require an effort and a spirit akin to the fairs cup in 70 the title in 71 or the title in 89 those teams had character, belief and fighting spirit as well as Wengers illusory mental strengths, something this current crop are lacking.Ozils display on a night when those around him despite their limitations worked their socks off, he won one single tackle , his passing was off his dead ball use ordinary his body language damming , oh well off to OT in hope rather than expectation, COME ON YOU GUNNERS!

  107. I remember when Arsenal cared about its supporters.

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:24 #84347

    Ivan the Terrible and the Owner will continue with their "Mandelson" spin to keep supporters quiet. They are cynical manipulators of the loyal fan base. Until we get supporter representation on the board the club will be run as a business alone. How did it come to this degree of flagrant disdain from the clubs current custodians? Onwards and upwards Ivan?

  108. Augustus Flair

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:16 #84346

    All summed up by the Ox fluffing an early chance with a scuffed shot straight at the keeper, while Messi sent Cech sprawling to the deck with a delightful feint of his foot and buried it. The Gunners tried hard but when you bring on Flamini to attempt to turn things round you know you're second best. Oh well, the league title and FA Cup beckon. We'll take those.

  109. Arseneknewbest

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:13 #84344

    Thanks Kevin. Gazidis deserves to have those words repeated back to him every time he appears in public. Be interesting to hear what the ever-diminishing number of Arsene FC apologists think of Ivan's bare-faced lies. We are nowhere near BM or dirty, cheating Barca (nor are any other english cubs at the moment for different reasons from ours). Blaming players when you've had autocratic control at the club for nearly 20 twenty years is easily seen through - that particular buck stops with no-one bar Monsieur Wenger. It'd be fascinating to know what the senor players in the squad think when they hear him come out with stuff like that. "Losing the dressing room" (cr*p footy cliche) would add too the lost footballing acumen and the lost marbles I suppose. But ultimately it's all a bit "meh" - a game we're used to losing at a stage at which we always lose. Zzzzzzzzzzzz...

  110. AJAAFC

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:09 #84343

    Good summing up - especially the BFG bit about showing finesse in your own area. You'd have to think that the Ramsey to Barca rumours could only have been started by his agent (or Mum) in the summer. As if they'd even look at him twice. As for the Ox - fed up with hearing people say he has "potential" - at 22 you have to show something much more than that.

  111. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 24, 2016, 9:06 #84342

    One good thing from last night: the CL crap is now out of the way. Play the reserves in the second leg and let's give it our best shot for the league and cup. Admittedly the PL this season's like two bald men fighting over a comb but hey, someone's gotta win it.