Bewildered Disappointment, Frustration and Anger

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Bewildered Disappointment, Frustration and Anger


Ed’s note – Due to a work commitment, I was unable to watch the Manchester United v Arsenal match yesterday afternoon. My thanks for regular Gooner contributor Charlie Ashmore for agreeing to cover for me. Here’s his take on the 3-2 defeat…

With Leicester winning on Saturday and Tottenham expected to win at home while we played at Old Trafford, the game against United was crucial, especially with a trip to White Hart Lane next week to come. Was it a must win game? Coming on the back of a disappointing run of results, it certainly felt like one if we were to maintain a credible belief in our ability to win the League.

And let’s be honest this felt like a United team that was there for the taking (a bit like the League itself this season). Which is why I have no doubt that everybody reading this will be sharing the same sense of bewildered disappointment, frustration and (no doubt in many cases) anger after witnessing yesterday’s “efforts”, a term I use in the loosest sense you understand.

That we deserved nothing from the game is indisputable and that is saying something considering how poor United looked. What they appeared to have, unforgivably, is more commitment. The number of times they forced us back from the halfway line to the goalkeeper was incredible and I am sure the stats will show that our centre halves had as many touches as anybody else on the pitch if not more. We were simply unable to generate anything like the same momentum as we did when we played them at the Emirates.

Indeed we look like a very pale imitation of the team that won that game so splendidly and yet if you look at the respective line-ups, there were only two differences – Gabriel for Mertesacker (which was a wholly expected and sensible move given that Per is increasingly being caught out both with his inability to defend from a high line due to his lack of pace and perhaps more worryingly his deteriorating touch in the penalty area) and Welbeck for Cazorla.

This for me is the crux of our season. We have simply never recovered from Cazorla’s injury and although confidence took us through the initial period of his absence it feels like the performances have been on a downward spiral since then. I keep reading stats telling me how effective Ramsey continues to be but I prefer the evidence of my own eyes to what statisticians tell me and it looks to me like Ramsey is wholly ineffectual in that central midfield role even though it is his preferred position. I thought it was playing with Flamini that was the problem but it’s not. He simply does not have the craft to play the role we need him to play in that position vacated by Cazorla. Where he should score well over Cazorla is his energy and runs into the box but his energy seems to have disappeared. He looks leggy as hell and he doesn’t begin to look like scoring at the moment. He is a shadow of the player we know he can be.

For all my frustrations at our dysfunctional midfield, our problems in recent games have been our inability to score. Given his scoreless run, it probably was time to rest Giroud, but I cannot have been alone in being dismayed to see Walcott given the nod up front. I keep hearing the expression that the jury is still out on Walcott. I don’t get that. Ten years on if the jury hasn’t delivered a resounding thumbs up, it is never going to. In fairness there was a period earlier this season when things seemed to have clicked for him but I am afraid that period appears to have been the exception that proved the rule.

His positional sense is non-existent and it is infuriating to watch him repeatedly stand there calling for the ball while placing himself in a position where even Bergkamp would struggle to place a pass. To the extent that when he runs around, he does so to no effect whatsoever and I would pick Sanchez or Welbeck ahead of him up front and would certainly pick either of them or Campbell ahead of him on the flanks.

Mind you, Sanchez is also a worry – he works as hard as anyone I have seen but he is simply out of sorts and his end product is just not there at the moment. But he is at least always trying to make things happen and his efforts put Theo to shame.

Ozil was harangued from around me today and his languid style remains an easy target when the team’s commitment is questioned. But he is in the team to create. I am told he set up six chances yesterday (only one of which was taken) and he of course scored. I find it difficult to criticise the one person in the team who is manifestly doing what he is in the team to do.

Much of the anger after a performance like today is directed at the manager. As a defender of his over the years, I find myself incredibly frustrated that as we enter the crucial phase of a season in which we are as well placed to win the League as we have been since 2004, we find ourselves experiencing that Groundhog Day feeling of watching a team failing to fulfil its potential. Yes the players have to take responsibility for their attitude and performance on the pitch but so too does the manager. These are his players, his team and his responsibility.

All is not lost though it is getting dangerously close to being so. In my humble opinion we can afford to drop no more than three points hereon in (and even that would require Leicester to lose three games when they have lost that many only all season so far and Spurs to lose to us and drop four more points elsewhere). A week ago I would have taken a draw at White Hart Lane next week. That is no longer good enough. Only three points will do. Fail there and the game will be up for another season and Wenger will be a defeat at Hull away from being asked by many to fall on his sword, and even another Cup win might not save him from the anger of those who feel that this should have been our season and that he must pay the price for his team’s failure to seize the moment.

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  1. 71guns

    Mar 02, 2016, 15:39 #85109

    did we really expect anything else? like every office in the country our days are spent berating each other for the teams we support, for so long 'our lot' were the team, mr wenger had revolutionised everything from style of football to diets. we took for granted the performances, the goals and thought nothing of blowing teams away week in week out... but much the same as glenn helder or (sadly) andre ashavin we were quickly found out as a one trick pony. when the sheer class started to fall away, or want to leave or be sold to man ure to secure them the league the following season what has been left is a very stubborn manager who still thinks he is dealing in 1998 tapping up unknown talent for peanuts and trusting fabled plan a to sweep teams aside. at the beginning he did give fergie and the special tw*t a run for their money but when they spent more money we couldn't compete – it is all about money right? hang on we're currently behind leicester and the spuds? or is all about quality? sanchez and ozil would walk into any team yet they've become 'arsenaled' – surrounded by players who’s mental block breeds defeat before a ball is kicked - ramsey's caught it too - top players that just lose the ability to win, certainly big games. i feel bad for ozil he's actually doing his job so what if he's double laid back, for 6 decent chances created and one goal scored on sunday? I said what happened would happen, we know it’s coming, even in recent years we’ve always had the capacity to implode or just not turn up, or is that just the result of us bottling it? the old trafford drubbing, the 4-4 at home to the then suffering totts, the 4-4 at newcastle (0-4 at half time) the 4-4 at anfield – 3-3 this season when winning in the last minute… where is the confidence, the belief, the desire to be the best? We had a go against barcelona but were always 2nd best, if we’d have taken our chances they would have scored 3 or 4. If we’d played like that on Sunday we would have won, but the occasion was too big – man ure’s f*cking reserves – too big?! the same old excuses, the same fed up up faces at the end – it’s all just so boring to watch and listen to. how many times have we played depleted top teams in recent seasons and how many times have we put them to the sword? And now the scum are favourites to win the league? even the prospect is like a death in the family – I’m worried about Swansea tonight let alone Saturday, i just can’t see where we can get any momentum from now, i know we haven’t completely chucked it away (again) just yet but the spuds believe in themselves as do the fans and we’re once again wish thinking whilst hiding behind the sofa… i actually thought sunday night that it would have been better if leicester had taken the points at our place to increase the gap – how sad is that, I used to mock a friend of mine who was still trying to wind me up about fat boys free kick in 91 some 20 years later, he’d virtually given up on the spuds winning so would focus on our downfall, and now here I am praying for west ham to win tonight, what have i become? what have arsenal become?

  2. mbg

    Mar 02, 2016, 12:53 #85078

    Nicistyx, and Rocky isn't the only one mate, Chapman, etc, etc, etc, what must they be thinking ? built a great club with ethics and traditions just to have it torn down and rebuilt in the mould of an old arrogant French man not fit to lace they're boots or never was.

  3. Nicistyx

    Mar 01, 2016, 19:50 #84995

    Bow your heads in shame Arsenal. If I were to turn up for work with the same attitude as this current bunch of misfits I would surely receive either My Cards or A KICK UP The Harris. This current shambles is no joke. Lee Dixon was right to tweet C'mon Man up at half time. The sight of Alex Ferguson in the stands at the end with thumbs up and winking was excruciating to witness. Man Utd are no longer the force they were and yet we have no self belief nor discipline to go to old Trafford for the points. Its Pain full to witness the demise of our once great Football Club. The Lillywhites from ****e Fart Lane believe that they can and will win it for the fist time since Black n White Tele. We will say oh yeah but they only won it cause the rest was **** and they only Had Leicester City to Beat!! I rest my Case. Thanks Arsenal for being Totally Dishonest, Lazy and Not Worth the admission Money. Rocky must be turning in his Grave. God Bless Him.

  4. Another Red Member

    Mar 01, 2016, 19:07 #84993

    Westlower, some of us actually understand the very real financial restraints that Mr.Wenger is operating under as well as the clear fact that he does not have the ultimate decision on who is bought and sold. His paymasters have the final word as is well documented in the case of Mr.Nasri and others. However, despite all the numbers and glass half full perspective from yourself the current predicament of AFC lays fully at the door of Mr.Wenger. Sundays disgusting surrender has proved to me that Wenger is finished as a top manager. Irrespective of past glories and as a Manager myself, measured on results against resources, there can be no referral to bygone successes within a Managers portfolio. Indeed the subject of financial management once stood out on his CV. He was about value. He didn't want to pay Fulham over £1m for Mark Schwarzer and had Fat Sam fuming about the derisory bid for Cahill. He is all about value. So why do we have Mr.Szczesny being paid £24m over 5 years when he proved he was not good enough. This is after all the guy who broke both his arms in the Gym. And the enigma that is Mr.Walcott? My Lord what funds have been squandered there. He must cringe having backed that player watching him skip about with the touch of an elephant and guile of a sledgehammer. The end is nigh, he knows it. I suspect they all know it. Such a pity for it to end in a chorus of boos and aggressive faces but as all good Managers know if you are not succeeding you must engage and change the people. If you cant change the people, change the people. Mr.Wenger you are about to be changed. You stand on the brink. Wengers reign ends as it began, with the fanbase hoping for change with that in itself is a tonic....

  5. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 13:08 #84940

    Petrovic, of course he's a specialist in Failure, Mourniho was dead right, and he became a hate figure with the AKB's just for telling the truth, they don't like the truth you see. wenger out.

  6. A Cornish Gooner

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:37 #84934

    Westie. Will we be using that 'poultry sum' to buy more chickens?

  7. John Gage

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:55 #84923

    Westlower: But what about Leicester? Their squad cost £21 million pounds to assemble and their wage bill is a fraction of Arsenal's at £48 million pounds but they are 5 points ahead with a good chance of winning the Premiership,

  8. Rocky RIP

    Mar 01, 2016, 10:58 #84913

    Theo was awarded the captain's armband for 10 years of underachievement and demanding wage increases. The team takes selfies to celebrate finishing in the top 4 and for beating Leicester City. Does these people have a clue what it means to be Arsenal? The mentality is all wrong.

  9. Ron

    Mar 01, 2016, 10:16 #84909

    Never mind the money Westlower. You, nor none of us know what we re talking about when it comes to that. Arsenal need a Coach, not a 'war chest' (daft expression). A proper Coach would in most peoples view extract far more from the players already there. All of the money you could find wouldn't put right what we saw last Sunday. Keep shining that torch up AWs arse though.

  10. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 01, 2016, 10:10 #84908

    Poor old Wenger, he still 'can't compete', despite the pronouncements that both he and Gazidis have made over the last couple of years. Of course, the 'money' argument only applies to Arsenal. Leicester's entire team may have cost half an Ozil, but the only thing you'll hear from Central Command there is they have a few extra games to play, giving them a massive advantage in the title race.

  11. Westlower

    Mar 01, 2016, 9:01 #84898

    @Made Up Stat, As someone who reads between 3 & 5 newspapers a day I'm accustomed to journalists who make dogmatic statements. Controversial stories are their life blood. Pundit Paul Merson is the King of Dogma. Black or White, White or Black, which is correct? Usually neither, as the answer is invariably in-between the extremes. The one thing that is apparent is that Wenger will leave at a time of his choosing. It would be surprising if he leaves before his current contract expires in 2017. William Hill offer 7/1 Wenger NOT being AFC manager at the start of next season. I doubt Merse will be lumping on as he lost a fortune with his failed gambling exploits many years ago. His judgement is questionable at best. Passionate yes, astute - no? What a disgraceful campaign the media used to try and get rid of LVG at MU because they believed they could wind up the pressure enough, through the fans to oust him & replace him with their hero Maureen. @Hiccup, Some financial figures have emerged today which makes a mockery of misguided Lord Harris's claim of £200m in the bank, enabling us to buy anybody we want. I can only guess the remark was made to embarrass Wenger. The current cash reserve of £159m, includes £25 debt repayment. Of the remaining £135m approx, half (£70-75m) is available for transfers. That relative poultry sum won't outbid the Manchester clubs, CFC, RM, BM or Barca when the top top players become available. As our annual wage bill is £192m the club are reportedly run at 'break even' in terms of income & expenditure. The extra £40m TV money next year will partly be used to give new contracts to Ozil & Sanchez up from £140k & £130k to nearer £200k a week. Of the £39m spent on transfers last season, £29m was used to pay installments on past transfers. The financial picture isn't as rosy as some would paint it. May explain why only Elneny was brought in at a measly £5m in Jan. We may be able to make one top signing in the summer + some cheaper replacements for outgoing players. Any new manager coming in will undoubtedly demand a massive war chest that has never been available to AW. Wengers book will make for revealing reading when he retires.

  12. SM

    Mar 01, 2016, 8:47 #84895

    Steve R - Here is the status for hull away booking Period No.5 (PB:5) Tickets for this fixture are currently on sale until further notice to Platinum, Gold, current Travel Club, Silver and Red members only. (All tickets are subject to availability) booking Period No.6(PB:6) Any mug will do! Read more at http://www.arsenal.com/match/report/1516/tickets/first-team/hull-city-v-arsenal-tickets#t0FbH5wyORQYETGh.99rrent

  13. Steve R

    Mar 01, 2016, 8:05 #84889

    The main website is an absolute joke.Why do they not want as many fans attending these games as possible,surely attending football matches is what it's all about.Leeds away,Sunderland away in cup games in recent years they also pulled the same trick,yet both sold out the following day.I bet they say later that there wasn't the demand for tickets yet they only put them up for sale to red members for one hour from 4pm yesterday yet if you look on the official website it doesn't even show this.West Ham tried to get their fans more tickets for their cup game at Blackburn,our lot couldn't care less if we attended away games or not.watch this space I shall update later.

  14. Made Up Stat

    Mar 01, 2016, 7:42 #84888

    Steve R: How times change. From a classy club that listened to its supporters, how irrelevant and contemptible we've now been made to feel.

  15. Steve R

    Mar 01, 2016, 7:26 #84887

    Is anybody else on here wanting to go to the Hull FAC game.It looks like the club are doing it's usual trick of not properly announcing that there are coaches available for only £10 at the clubs expense,if I were you I would take up the offer quickly as tickets are now available to all members including red.The box office will no doubt do their usual thing and not apply for our full 15% allocation after only having them up for sale for a few hours,because they're too lazy and would prefer not to pay for the extra coaches by not properly advertising this game on it's website.I am a red member and purchased 2 tickets for this game yesterday yet the box office is not advertising this and showing tickets only available for travel club,platinum and gold members.Why do Arsenal want as few supporters as possible to travel away in the cup when we should want as much support as possible,they will no doubt say later today that there wasn't the demand for tickets and only take the 2,500 offered,when clearly the full allocation of nearly 4,000 could be easily sold.

  16. bromley boy

    Mar 01, 2016, 7:17 #84886

    Steve, we are all given this platform to put our views across but come on mate do you realy think we are on for a possible treble we may scrape 4th place if we are lucky

  17. Made Up Stat

    Mar 01, 2016, 7:12 #84885

    Westlower: Apparently in today's Torygraph there's a piece saying that if Arsenal don't win the title this season then Wenger should go. As someone who regularly quotes said newspaper to back up your 'arguments', have you any thoughts on this?

  18. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 01, 2016, 6:19 #84884

    Petrovic - Mourinho has a few issues no doubt and I think his 10 year success cycle ( if this stat is true) is on a downward curve however the specialist in failure comment was never rebutted successfully and for a WOB like me actually did us a favour the carefully manuscripted fantasy that the board and Wenger collude in was torn apart. Wasn't just WOBs saying after that. I think Maureen has had more than 5 minutes in football as well. On a side note though Merson will be attacked for his personal issues he has now said he should go if he can't deliver. I'm waiting for Usmanov to come out as well Though that might be in the summer. I really think unless he performs a miracle the game is up. A poor performance might also turn the crowd

  19. Petrovic

    Mar 01, 2016, 4:58 #84883

    Ohhow it irks but I fear Mourinho was spot on....Specialist in FAILURE! Over the 40 years of supporting the club there were always players whom I didn't rate or like but it was always smatterings. Now unfortunately I dislike half the squad of gutless lackeys who collect a paycheck for doing very little to justify it. As someone pointed out earlier in the thread.....Spineless sums it up perfectly.

  20. Danny

    Mar 01, 2016, 1:22 #84882

    Wenger is a underachieving fraud of coach and needs firing why give him end of season

  21. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 0:46 #84881

    Quip of the day goes to Ron 89674, with, there are a few like Westlower who would still excuse wenger if he took a dump on their heads, hilarious, is there anyone who didn't laugh ? you can just imagine it.

  22. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 0:26 #84880

    Some excellent post on here today this evening and tonight, to many to mention (you know who you are) I've never seen as many (including new posters)wanting wenger to go either now or at the end of the season and i'm sure Admin haven't either, that tells us all we need to know. It's time to go wenger the sooner the better.

  23. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 0:10 #84879

    You just have to look at the two photos accompanying this article and the last one, what do you see ? one with real players taking no s***e and giving it to man u showing passion for the club and badge, the other a second rate wimp and a coward who turns his back and arse at free kicks and limps off if someone farts beside him holding his hooter while allowing himself to be consoled and helped by a second rate manc. A bunch of second rate pansies the lot of them, wenger out.

  24. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 23:34 #84878

    I don't know whether to award this post/statement funniest of the day, or phone the men in white coats. Arsenal are on a run where the goals have temporarily dried up, until our strikers start scoring again we remain vulnerable to set backs.

  25. steve

    Feb 29, 2016, 23:13 #84877

    You have to look at the bigger picture.We have played some amazing football this season and are miles ahead of all our opponents and I'm sure it will click soon.We can't blame Arsene as it's not just his fault if results are not as planned.

  26. Sid

    Feb 29, 2016, 22:51 #84876

    At the start of the season. If you were told that we will be in front of United, city, Liverpool, Chelsea and still in with a shout of being champions. Who would take it. Put your money where your mouth is gooners and online gooner. I genuinely believe this site requires a complete rethink. Spineless, yep.. Not the team, but the so called onliners

  27. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 22:45 #84875

    jj, 89724, great post, some of these players are really going to have some serious psychological problems when wenger goes they really are after been indoctrinated into his way and his regime all these years, those that remain are going to need a good strong manager to sort them out and put them right, you can imagine the nightmares their going to have waking up in the middle of the night seeing his face (they probably do already that could be the problem)I wouldn't be surprised if he get's in a good psychiatrist to help them get over him and get him out of their system although it won't be easy. wenger out.

  28. Ian Ure's Son

    Feb 29, 2016, 22:41 #84874

    Steady everyone. Things will get better soon. Once fourth place starts to look as if it's in jeopardy just watch Wenger show a streak of ruthlessness and the players respond. Fourth place is what REALLY counts. It's a trophy at AFC and it's the optimum return for the minimum investment. PL champions? CL champions? What are you smoking? That costs real money and commitment, and taking a risk. Come on you fourthers!!

  29. Roy

    Feb 29, 2016, 22:40 #84873

    Ok, maybe that came across a bit wrong. No, I don't want us to lose at the Lane, no way, just speculating on the scenario it might lead to should it happen, and if we put in another performance like yesterday, we will get beat. For what it's worth, I think they will put in a better showing on Sat ( wouldn't be difficult ! ), but it still may not be enough. Also, I'm not into knee- jerk reactions after a victory or a defeat, but as many have said, the manner of what happened at OT was unacceptable. Unfortunately it would appear to be stuck with Inspector Clueless until at least the end of the season whatever the result against the Spuds. Have to agree also that anything less than maximum points from these next two games and it will be all but over and certainly very unlikely. Not beyond the realms of possiblity that the 'Ammers could us a bit of a favour this week though. But then we still have to go there too.

  30. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 22:13 #84872

    TJ, you know what cult members are like, there's just no telling them or getting through to them, their so indoctrinated they're messiah can do no wrong. wenger out.

  31. steve

    Feb 29, 2016, 22:06 #84871

    This could still be our best season ever,stop being so un supportive.

  32. Invictagunner

    Feb 29, 2016, 21:40 #84870

    To say this was a shambles is an understatement. Yes, the players looked leggy and lacking in confidence but the way AW set up the team was suicide. United have been really poor against teams that have defended and pulled them on. The Old Trafford crowd gets on their backs and frustration sets in. Many teams have sneaked a win or got a draw. So AW goes for an open game, gets punished early, the crowd rise, our lot disappear from the game. Pathetic tactics especially when we cannot score even if we dominate the game. We are likely to get hammered by Spurs and the likes of Ozil and Sanchez and going to think about making tracks. Ozil by the way had a good game in my opinion and deserved much better from those around him. Every year is the same and we get the same old responses. AW was a great coach in his day. He is now way behind the game. I suppose it may be possible to scrape 4th place and start another episode of next year will be better.

  33. John Devine Intervention

    Feb 29, 2016, 21:26 #84869

    Steve. Judge him in May?? Which May was that? 2009? One bad result!! There's some serious mind bending drugs out there

  34. 1975

    Feb 29, 2016, 21:26 #84868

    Next two games. Two wins required. Anything less and title race over.

  35. SM

    Feb 29, 2016, 21:15 #84867

    Graeme Souness had it spot on in his summary of the performance. He said he could use a word that he is not allowed to use on TV. Yes Monsiuer Wenger our team lacks Balls and you are responsible for this. You would have thought with his (Souness) comments he was an ex Arsenal player not Pool. He almost seemed angry. What bugs me is the deluded idiots that turn up to the Emirates that can't see wenger and his teams failings. There are still thousands of them. I am going on Wednesday vs Swansea and won't hold back if we are served up more of this ****.

  36. steve

    Feb 29, 2016, 21:14 #84866

    Are you people insane.Arsene Wenger is still one of the best and most sought after managers in the world.One bad result doesn't make or break a season,judge him in May.If you don't like it go forth down the lane.

  37. Arseneknewbest

    Feb 29, 2016, 21:11 #84865

    Steve - Err, furniture polish is for buffing up your chippendale chaise longue mate, not drinking on the rocks with some benylin. Treble? - do me a favour! It's going to be one trophy and one trophy only this catastrophic season - last August's charity shield. Unless you count the Copa 4th/5th/6th place or the brave lion's bottlers of the year award. You're being "ironical" right? Most AKBs on here use Mr Sheen to add lustre to the might t*rd that is Arsene FC.

  38. Paulo75

    Feb 29, 2016, 20:48 #84864

    Hard to disagree with the general view on here. Another truly frustrating and bewilderingly poor showing. The lack of urgency and creativity was almost unbelievable. Our Manager is going nowhere - certainly until at least the of the season so we really need the players to buck up their ideas and raise their game immediately. Although we're 5 points off the lead we can definitely still win this. Although I think we will need 6 points out of next two games to set us on our way. Players and Management are handsomely paid to do their jobs to a high standard so it's about time they got their fingers out and started doing from here on in. Remember who you are representing......

  39. Mark from Aylesbury

    Feb 29, 2016, 20:44 #84863

    With apologies for slightly ripping off a comment in the media. Basically Arsenal have new players , new fitness coaches , new player coaches yet same result. Who is the constant in all this? Ron said some time ago Arsene is not stupid and probably realises what he is. This a right hole he is in. Total humiliation could be coming his way, credibility lost with the press ( see the angry Amy Lawrence article) loyal friends turning ( Arseblog) lose against Spurs and I think he's done for. As I mentioned previously in reality the board may not care a **** but they need to be seen to care so I reckon he will go. Think this is one of those great turning points

  40. anthony walters

    Feb 29, 2016, 20:38 #84862

    live in hope jw fingers crossed etc .i though kos isnt playing great still think he is the best we got.gabriel is a panic stricken bag of nerves .slow as he is and even after chelsea and barcs i still prefer bfg.anyway off for a kickabout.

  41. jeff wright

    Feb 29, 2016, 20:18 #84861

    AW,I agree with you on the not losing at the lane of shame - let's hope not! This Poch senor though - along with many others - looks to have Arsene well sussed out - and the atmosphere is sure to be rather hot ,whatever the weather . Will Keystone Kos and which ever of the other pair of clowns partners him ,assuming that Kos actually plays and is not suffering from a dead leg again to match his brain, cope with it all is the question. Wenger is going to have to do an Houdini act between now and the end of Easter to escape the mess he has landed us in . He has already written off the Champions League and also faces after the humiliating 0-0 at home a tricky replay away to Hull in the FAC .So he needs points in the league to help to keep alive title winning hopes mathematically. Albeit that others will be better placed mathematically to also win it than we are . Wenger however will spin the claim that a title tilt is still on . Good old Arsene.

  42. HowardL

    Feb 29, 2016, 19:30 #84860

    Appalling, depressing display. No fight, no plan and some no shows on the field. Most people have said it all. However, for the lack of leaders that was mentioned, no one has pointed out that we have a "captain" who has spent more time in the "Matchday Magazine" than on the pitch, is now talking about a coaching job at Citeh - yet he is STILL Arsenal captain. No wonder we have no leader on the pitch. Mertesacker is not a bad captain but his Arsenal days are surely numbered. As a last resort, why not give Cech the captaincy - at least he looks as though he wants to win!

  43. Rocky RIP

    Feb 29, 2016, 19:27 #84859

    It's the hope that kills you. Sadly, in my case, it's not allowing myself to have any hope going into the last two big games that is doing me in. It all feels so depressingly familiar and inevitable. (By the way Charlie, I agree with your well written article as I'm sure most Gooners do, but being pedantic and rather patronising - Leicester wouldn't have to lose 3 matches for us to make up the points difference you mention. Points are quickly lost by drawing too many games. Draw 5 of the remaining 11 = 10 points dropped. It's those pesky draws that get you in the end. Although I'm sure you knew this already!)

  44. Steve

    Feb 29, 2016, 19:20 #84858

    We must learn patience,Arsene has always come up trumps when we most need him to.It's not now we should judge him,better wait until the end of the season.We are still on for a historic treble however unlikely that may seem.

  45. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 19:19 #84857

    Tony Evans, so would I mate, no matter who we get he/it can't be any worse, but Mourinho would soon get rid of the trash and shake things up and that's exactly what we need. wenger out.

  46. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 29, 2016, 19:15 #84856

    Why Kroenke loves Wenger... 11/2/2016 NEWSWEEK: Arsenal News – Owner Stan Kroenke buys 535,000 acre Texas ranch at a cost of £521,260,000.

  47. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 19:08 #84855

    Red Member, good shout, thankfully (and not before time)it's starting to dawn on others also, especially wengerites that their Lord and master is not the messiah they thought.

  48. Steve

    Feb 29, 2016, 18:57 #84854

    Before everybody starts having knee jerk reactions please'Be careful what you wish for'

  49. anthony walters

    Feb 29, 2016, 18:47 #84853

    sorry how can anyone claim to be an arsenal fan see a white hart lane defeat as a silver lining.i.m 51 supported arsenal since around 10 years of age my son is a season ticket holder as i am spurs are always the team i want to beat the most the most important fixture no matter how much i want a manager gone it's sacrilege to see defeat at white hart lane as anything other than gutting!

  50. Steve

    Feb 29, 2016, 18:37 #84852

    Every dictatorship always ends in tears with the dictator overthrown.But that wont happen at Arsenal.Because our fans are spineless.Wenger and Gazidis are only still in their jobs because of the fans.The fans could have got rid of Wenger after the 8-2.the Newcastle 4-4 the Birmingham cup final and numerous other disasters but they didnt.There are 60,000 apologists for Wenger at the Emirates.Arsenal fans deserve Wenger

  51. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 18:32 #84851

    Exeter, sad isn't it ? him and others still hang on to their little comfy blanket of silly stats like for and against and fatigue thinking it will all come good, like myself and others have said and it's been more and more recognised they are as much the problem, they really are more to be pitied than laughed at.

  52. Roy

    Feb 29, 2016, 18:14 #84850

    Tony Evans - Great point, us lot are not there anymore are we ? Us who have grown up as proper Gooners ( I know you're around the same age as me ), and can remember what that cannon actually means. I remember Ian Wright saying that he would have run over broken glass in bare feet, to play for Arsenal and England. And I know that if you or I had been good enough to fulfil our boyhood dream, we'd have had exactly the same attitude. But we've been alienated as you say, and now looking at an NLD defeat as some sort of silver lining FFS !! I remember once being told, "no matter whatever happens to you in life son, you'll always have the Arsenal" IT DOESNT FEEL THAT WAY RIGHT NOW.

  53. Mark From Aylesbury

    Feb 29, 2016, 18:11 #84849

    Badarse - are you still up for a Wenger contract extension? I think this is where you are failing to influence

  54. Hiccup

    Feb 29, 2016, 18:07 #84848

    Jamie and coldsore must be over at arseblog telling him to f*ck off down the Lane.

  55. Dartford gooner

    Feb 29, 2016, 18:03 #84847

    Some time ago did not the one called the invisible Ivan say that the fans will be the ones to decide when Wenger goes.So now its up to the fans to let him know now is the time.All the fans who said the Yank was a better bet than the Russian, I bet you have changed you minds now.

  56. Peter

    Feb 29, 2016, 18:03 #84846

    Here we go again.

  57. Nick

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:59 #84845

    His name is Arsene Wenger he once wore a magic hat but he has long since lost it and now he's just a Pratt,we haven't won a title for ten long years or more we used to be invincible now we are just bores, he says we have the mental strengths well that is just a lie he never win more titles unless pigs do learn to fly.

  58. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:54 #84844

    jj, yes having to calm the players down they are so up for it, (and some actually believed that and probably still do lol)it didn't look like that when they were in and walking out of the tunnel onto the pitch, and walking to the halfway line yesterday, quite the opposite in fact, did you ever hear so much diarrhoea coming from one mans mouth in your life ? You couldn't make it up if you tried, a sad individual. Go now you fraud.

  59. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:36 #84843

    It's good to see even AKB's are seeing the light and the truth and turning against him with a few on here saying he has to stand down, and another saying you've taking us as far as you can, but not before giving him a glowing reference and still wiling to wait and see if results pick up. You couldn't make it up.

  60. John F

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:35 #84842

    Cornish I did get a sneaky look at the Zen and mental speerit book and there was a great bit of advice in the chapter headed avoidance techniques when confronted with problems you have no idea how to solve.Apparently if you find yourself confronting a problem which is entirely of your own making it is best to find the nearest official looking chap and wave your arms up and down and shout at him.This does not make the problem go away but to the naïve onlooker it might look like you have the situation under control.

  61. Ron

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:35 #84841

    Gaz - the disconcerting bit about the Utd fans perspective on AFC when you speak to them is that they have little to no respect for AFC as a Club on the basis of the historic thrashings and surrenders they've seen us pull off consistently up there for years. They dont appear to even think they can lose to Arsenal any more. They expect an avalanche of goals and can you blame them? They look on Wengers surliness as the mirror image of what Arsenal as a Club are. In fairness to them, so do most fans in other regions too. Only on Merseyside do i find any true respect for us these days and even then they see Wenger as a bit of 'a moaning minnie'. He doesn't seem to dredge up the deeper seated detest of him as you find in Manchester. The Toon fans are the same. Not much time for London Clubs generally but they dont take to Wenger at all. The man has had his success at Arsenal for sure, but hes certainly increased the ill feeling towards the Arsenal by dint of his aloofness and sheer refusal to ever credit any other Clubs very much. Its pretty obvious nearly all of the other PL Coaches past and present have no time for the man on a personal level. Its a sad indictment on him and it badly reflects on Arsenal.

  62. Arseneknewbest

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:32 #84840

    What should have been arsene fc's very own squeaky bum moment quickly morphed into a scatological scattering of officially-merchandised emriates-inspired excrement being fired from Weng's, the players', and the board's collective a-holes. Conveniently it all happened to land on us (the fans) while they find extra space for cash in their pockets due to their relieved bowels. I'm in a sh*tty mood today thanks to you know who. And looking forward, the NLD fills me with dread so much so that I will probably pretend not to watch it in case my kids take the p*ss (not sh*t) as we potentially suffer another humiliating setback. We're now used to capitulating in title races, but how did it come to possibly missing out to the cockerel jockeys?

  63. Jude Jolicoeur

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:28 #84839

    Thanks for your piece, Charlie. Well done. I genuinely wanted Craig Pawson to send off Ramsey – once again a selfish, useless waste of space – for that ridiculous reaction. It would force the manager to consider other options in the center of the pitch, which he clearly refuses to do. Whether it’s out of position on the wing or in his current position, the manager includes him (and never substitutes him) irrespective of his woeful form. It goes without saying that he’s technically not good enough, but the myth of his revered engine has been exposed, too. Watch him jogging back in the build-up to their third goal. He doesn’t defend and doesn’t retain positional discipline, so what exactly does he offer? We should enjoy Mesut and Alexis while we can. They deserve to play with better players than the likes of Ramsey.

  64. Alsace

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:26 #84838

    Just to change the mood a bit, shall we conjecture for a minute how we would sack him given that it was our job to do? I would do it during a press conference at which he was giving out self justifying drivel to the press.

  65. Clockend Mike

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:23 #84837

    Not much else to say except how the over the top celebrations following the Leicester game have now come home to roost. Instead of staying focussed after that game, we once again, through what I can only assume is arrogance, capitulate. I can accept losing and even having a bad game, we all have a bad day at the office but it’s the attitude or lack of it that gets me. When we got back to 3-2 who was in the MU goal bringing the ball back to the centre spot – no one.

  66. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:19 #84836

    @TJ, there's no point in trying to get an honest appraisal out of Westlower, he doesn't believe in it. To know what he really thinks, look at his betting patterns that he reveals on here. He's a canny guy who knows Wenger's teams better than the bookies and as a result cashes in on a regular basis. This being the case of course he doesn't want anything to change, hence the apparently blind and absurd excuse making.

  67. Hiccup

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:19 #84835

    Far too much is being made of yesterday's result! We went in to the game as favourites to actually win at OT, and at the time we were favourites to win the league. Ram that back down the wob's throats! It's all about what the bookies think, and not the actual results in my book. I fear for the Swansea game though. Our lot will be double fatigued after running around Old Trafford for 90 minutes and mentally exhausted with the long trek home. Some will say Swansea played yesterday too, but that's just the kind of impartial nonsense I'd expect the wob's to come out with as it suits their agenda.

  68. 1971 Gooner

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:15 #84834

    Firstly, great report Charlie. It was my wedding anniversary yesterday, and after a delightful lunch out I persuaded The Mrs to come and watch the second half in our local. It was chock full of Gooners and the mood was one of resignation rather than anger. Souness was spot on; collectively the team's ar*ses fell out big time. Swansea will defend with nine men and we will have no plan to get past them. Not looking forward to Spurs on Saturday - I'd back them to go all the way, and that really doesn't bear thinking about.

  69. Gaz

    Feb 29, 2016, 17:10 #84833

    Excellent posts from everyone as usual. Wish it wasn't so but Tony E and RedPig have hit the nail on the heard RE how difficult it is to support this side right now. Every win takes us closer to a new deal for Wenger yet further away from winning the two main trophies on offer. I hate even thinking about wanting us to lose but the simple fact is it's only us losing that might finally force Wenger out. I'll never abuse Wenger but I absolutely hate him for making me even remotely think this way. Oh, by the way, a United fan on Talk sport just said when they saw their own depleted side they were delighted we were the opposition! Sadly our own fans think we're the great entertainers whereas our rivals see us as serial bottle jobs. That's Wengers legacy right there folks...

  70. Westlower

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:56 #84832

    @TJ, I respect your views, but in this instance I beg to differ, apart from agreeing with you that Arsenal were average to poor. It's been a tremendous results week for MU and I don't subscribe that they are a 'bad' team. It's still possible for them to finish top 4. They managed top 4 last year but had the considerable help of having a Euro free fixture list (aka, Leicester 2015/16 & Liverpool in 2013/14) so arguably they have improved. Yes, they did lose in Denmark but sh*t happens. I was really impressed by them in their recent away game at the Bridge. As always I back my judgement with hard cash and started backing MU to win Sunday's game immediately after their draw at Chelsea. It was to MU's advantage playing at home where we haven't won a PL game for 10 years. Shame on me for not expecting AFC to win, but it would have been a pleasant surprise had we achieved a victory. Arsenal are on a run where the goals have temporarily dried up. Until the strikers start scoring again we remain vulnerable to setbacks. If Monreal had put a relatively easy chance away in minute 7 it's a whole new ball game. It's important for this current Arsenal team to score the first goal especially in away games. Recent history suggested it was unlikely to happen at OT. No mischievous media talk of Maureen replacing LVG today is there? I'm not expecting us to lose at the Lane on Saturday.

  71. Augustus Flair

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:55 #84831

    Right, I'm bored with all the identical comments here now and have visited the official AFC site for AW's take on the whole thing. And, you know, when you listen to him carefully he actually talks a lot of sense, especially that bit about Man Utd contesting hard in midfield and breaking up our play. That's a perfectly reasonable view that seems to have escaped everyone here... "OK, Flair, come out with your hands up and let the nice doctor give you some serum; you can't escape, Flair, the place is surrounded." "You'll never take me alive, coppers..."

  72. Highbury Boy

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:54 #84830

    Seven Kings; Trouble is the better kids are out on loan but they don't seem to get games. The ones who got a full game at the week-end were Sanogo and Szcheny and we have all made up their mind that they are not good enough. There does not seem to be any youngsters coming through like Manu - another terrible indictment of Wenger's reign. Even the much maligned Billy Wright (and I was one of those shouting "Wright Out") couldn't motivate the first team but left some great youngsters who came through to star for many years.

  73. CORNISH GOONER

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:47 #84829

    PLEASE CUT WEBSTER SOME SLACK GUYS. He has 3 books due for publication this summer - "Zen & the art of tippy tappy", "A guide to prudent corporate management" & "Zen & mental speerit". A fourth title "Spinmaster" is in preparation with an exciting forward from George Osborne. This was originally planned to have been titled "An economic plan that is working" but his soulmate, George, suggested this might be a little inappropriate as he understood that Webster's job title was officially "Manager & Coach" of a major football club.

  74. CT Gooner

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:38 #84828

    Lots of new posters today, stating their anguish. I've nothing new to add, but I do find it humerous that only Gooner Ron and Westie are out with muted backing of Wenger. Where are Coles/Jamerson/the other Wenger appologists?? I'll leave you with a quote from Arse Blog, to me the constant Wenger appologist, "It then raises the question as to what happens if we don’t win this title. What should happen, I think, is that Arsenal Football Club look at this underachievement this season and make a decision that this inability to challenge – especially now that the financial shackles are off – is repetitive and chronic, and find a new man to take charge"

  75. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:38 #84827

    I was going to ask are there any clinics in Europe who aid euthanasia for sick terminally ill clubs ? but them realised that the one who gave us the disease in the first place if left alone is going to do it for us.

  76. Hull FAC Replay

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:33 #84826

    Tickets now available to red members till 5pm.

  77. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:28 #84825

    Normally if your first 11 stinks the place out like ours did yesterday you throw the kids in next game and sit the stars on the bench. Problem is every team from the academy upwards plays the same way, no heart, no passion and this useless side slide passing that gives any opposition plenty of time to get back in position and more importantly any opposing defender is never turned so that he has to defend facing their own goal. It is an astonishing decline of a manager and a man who gave us such exciting teams that played so brilliantly on the break. Hopefully enough people have accepted that this regime is now over, however judging by some of the comments on here it is still pink sky time in some of their worlds!

  78. jjetplane

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:23 #84824

    It's obvious Westie is a 12 year old troll with a rich uncle and Jamerson is that bloke on Oxford St with the end is nigh board .... if only so Arsenal could become a club again and AKBs given life bans from the renamed New Highbury - do you want some! lol!

  79. John Gage

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:13 #84823

    There seems to be a familiar pattern with Arsenal under Wenger post 2003-2004 1) The media, pundits and fans will say that Arsenal is not good enough to chllenge for the Premiership because they lack world class players in certain positions, have players with terrible injury records, and lack real leaders on the pitch. 2) Wenger will deny this is the case and say that the squad is good enough provided they don't get injured. 3) Arsenal win several games leading to hopes this will be their year. 4) The injury prone players like Wilshere, Rosicky, Diaby, Oxlade-Chamberlain break down. 5) Wenger says they is no need to dip into the transfer market as the injured players will return and they can't find top quality players in January. 6) The players who are not injury prone start to breakdown and Arsenal begin to lose games at the business end of the season. 7) By the time the players are back the Premiership is out of reach and Arsenal are in time to finish in the top four. 8) Repeat.

  80. TJ

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:13 #84822

    @Westlower, well considering they LOST to Midtjylland I would consider that a hard game, though chiefly because this current Utd side are the weakest for 30-40 years (an interpretation shared by plenty of their fans too, which your 'fatigue' argument seems to be sidestepping). Whilst Shrewsbury aren't that tough, the fact is they played 7 games in 3 days, we had one game since Leicester for the first team against Barcelona who never got out of FIRST GEAR- you can't seriously be claiming that playing two less games and having two extra rest days after playing a relaxed Barca team is seriously something which DISADVANTAGED US.

  81. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:11 #84821

    Just seen a photo doing the rounds with a fan wearing an Arsenal shirt with the front ripped off, sleeves cut off from the shoulders, and the back cut out, with caption no stomach armless and spineless with no back bone. wenger you have a lot to answer for. go now, wenger out.

  82. Highbury Boy

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:05 #84820

    Even the Ozil goal with over 20 minutes plus stoppage time left seemed nothing more than a consolation. No great congratulations nor signs of a fighting finish. Just more of the same sideways attacking. I'll finish with 3 "Ifs".1. If Theo never plays for us again I won't be unhappy. 2. If we didn't have Cech our annual struggle for the 4th place trophy wouldn't be on and 3.If we don't beat Swansea how about a big chorus of "Wenger Out" at the end?

  83. Barnaby

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:01 #84819

    We have to many c**ts in this club, the manager, board, owner and a fair few players

  84. Ron

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:01 #84818

    You should give it up Westie. You've been sounding a bit askew of reality for some time really while you continue to self justify the position you've backed yourself into. It is rather pathetic now as some one else suggested in an earlier post. As for pedestals, every word you utter is representative of the golden pedestal you've clearly placed Wenger upon. Its not a case of posters not seeing yr point of view and agreeing/not agreeing with it, its more a case of you inventing silly things to prop up yr view that Wengers the best man for the job and you wont be shifted. Yr inventions are fictions and unless you live in a parallel universe you ll know by now that many professionals in the game disagree with. Its daft to fly in the face of opinions from people far better placed than you to have them. You prattle on about fatigue and flat performances etc etc. Professionals dont recognise it. Your falling for the spin of coaches who need a handy excuse yourself. Ironic really.

  85. Red Member

    Feb 29, 2016, 16:00 #84817

    mbg yes you are spot on. In a way Theo Walcott is perfect for the club as he represents the new fanbase so well.

  86. jeff wright

    Feb 29, 2016, 15:55 #84816

    Westie,the problem with your hypothesis on fatigue - due to us having played Barcelona last Tuesday - is that the limp sort of shows that we put up yesterday against the weakest United side I have seen for years have been going on since day one of this season! Tbh,I couldn't see anything different to when we lost the opening game to WHU 2-0 at home - well, that is other than us losing 3-2 . Is that an improvement ->? if so then we need to play Barcelona more often. You couldn't make it up.

  87. Vinnie

    Feb 29, 2016, 15:42 #84815

    Totally agree with this article Charlie. The point about Walcott is an interesting one, I think Wenger does lack the ruthlessness (as well as tactical ability) that sometimes managers need at that level We never looked like scoring yesterday and I was a bit surprised when we did. Your point about commitment is an important one - how could we go into that pivotal game without a do or die attitude there is no excuse for that I think my other observation about this year is that (although I hate to say this) if City were not unusually inconsistent and the chavs mid table then we would be 5th now and most likely at least 15 points off top spot not 5 and all talk about titles would have ended in January. But yes because of that this season presented a golden opportunity to win it even with some failings and thats what I find so frustrating.

  88. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 15:39 #84814

    JWE, excellent post, yes i hope they're all happy now, like I've said before they deserve wenger and everything else, they really do. wenger out, and take your fan boys with you.

  89. jjetplane

    Feb 29, 2016, 15:37 #84813

    Just watching a bit of that terrific kid Rashford scoring for fun at sixteen. Reminded me of Sanogo ..... NOT! Got some good kids at OT and the gravitas at the club ensures a few of them will make their mark. Could catch Arsene's bewildered poodles yet and we just know City will fly past to third. Many more cock-ups and the Hammers look ready to go .... Would be nice to talk about Arsenal but has they no longer exist inna North Lundun sense - yagunnersya ? ..... Is that a cheerleaders thang? ....

  90. Tony Evans

    Feb 29, 2016, 15:36 #84812

    It's Up for Grabs makes a good point that most anti-Wenger Arsenal supporters have long since made the painful decision to stop attending matches (me included) and have therefore made it difficult for those that still do attend to vocalise their discontent, as Alsace has alluded to. It's not something to be taken lightly but surely the time has come to let Wenger know loud and clear that we have endured enough powder puff performances like yesterday to last a life-time and to 'encourage' him to do the decent thing and retire. As Corporal Jones would say 'he would not like it'!

  91. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 15:28 #84811

    It's up for grabs now, good post I've been saying the same for a couple of years now, the fans have power and they don't realise it or more of a case they do but are to nice (just like the players and manager) to exercise it and think it's not the right thing to do, utter bollocks, give it loud inside the ground and keep it up, we want wenger out, with banners also, we want wenger out (even if they are eventually torn down by the gestapo) there's nothing they'd hate as much (especially TOF) and also especially if we included sack the board, as everybody all over the world would be seeing and hearing it, investors, sponsors, the board themselves (you can imagine their haemorrhoids starting to twitch), TOF himself, something would have to give they wouldn't want to see and hear that at every match and they wouldn't want their cosy position put at risk, as I said something would have to give they'd be all covering their own arses especially Gazidis TKOS, it's the only way to get things done. We want wenger out.

  92. Red Member

    Feb 29, 2016, 15:26 #84810

    lots of talk on here but as usual little action. if Spurs beat us next Saturday then there must be protests, we need to get Wenger out of the club as soon as possible. It is inconceivable that we begin next season with him in charge. He MUST go at the end of this season. It is up to Arsenal supporters to make sure this happens, using any means necessary

  93. Westlower

    Feb 29, 2016, 15:24 #84809

    @TJ, There is no Messiah in my life, as I do not put people on pedestals. In your wildest dreams do you believe playing Shrewsbury & some minnows from Denmark is on a par with playing against the best team on planet earth? The physical & concentration levels required to try and match Barcelona is unsurpassed in the PL.

  94. jjetplane

    Feb 29, 2016, 15:12 #84808

    Also argue that because of perverse performances from City and Chelsea we should be walking this league. Why should we? Looks like a squad now no better than at least eight or nine in the league but where the cropper is is that that the scope is on this directionless FOOTBALL club because they have been doing shirt tails for twelve seasons ..... That is the limitation of this non-football coach and anything more requires risk assessment and too much bloody work! Any old swot can turn up at training, smile a little bit and mumble **** about the spirit. You have to give it to him. He is the greatest hood winker in modern football. The players do need shrinks because when he is finally ejected from Arsenal they will all have post football trauma from playing some silly abstraction of soccer without conceivable aim. What is the point of this present club that has gone from proud and classy to a mass irritation on the body of football. Bollocks to 'em!

  95. UTU

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:58 #84807

    Same Sh*t Different Day. Nothing to see hear. Move along !

  96. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:57 #84806

    Charlie, he's been asked by many to fall on his sword on many occasions before, have you forgot all the other humiliations and embarrassments, and everything else that went with them, the game has been up for another season a while ago it's just that others couldn't see it or realise it, another cup win will NOT save him it's gone far to far for that now, it's good to see your coming round but will you be one of many to ask him to fall on his sword ? it's really is time fans like you got of the fence. wenger out.

  97. TJ

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:56 #84805

    @Westlower it's pathetic how you cling to believing what you want in order to prop up your messiah (to the detriment of this club...). I and others pointed out to you on the last article that the Barcelona match was the first full game for the first-team players since Feb 14th! In that time, United TRAVELED TO SCANDINAVIA, then to Shrewsbury, then played AGAIN this Thursday, giving us TWO EXTRA REST DAYS. It's telling that you ignored the TWO extra games they had- AKBs will continue to prop up the manager until he decides to leave (probably when we drop out of the CL).

  98. Jamerson

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:50 #84804

    I hate all this rainbow laces crap we are being forced to endure.Years ago these perverts would have their arses kicked all the way to Putney bridge.

  99. AJH

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:47 #84803

    Annoyingly I had to attend my sister's 50th birthday meal which meant I was unable to watch this game. My god I am so glad I missed it !! I got home in time to see Souness rant about the players lacking balls and not being up for it and to be honest that is not the first time this season I have thought that myself. I am dreading the game on Saturday as that lot do seem to know how to fight / battle / scrap for the cause. Wenger will not quit now but must go at the end of the season surely, then who comes in? If Chelski replace Hiddink with Conte as seems to be on the cards what price Guss being offered an SOS call? I really can't see who else is out there, Jose I don't think would want to come near the emirates nor do I think Stan & Ivan consider him, Simeione again not an Arsenal fit from what I can see, Bouldy? Maybe if left to run the ship we may see a different man from the one who sits next to AW doing nothing, That said I believe a new man with new ideas is required without any previous with AFC. Happy Birthday sis

  100. Ikenna

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:46 #84802

    in football, the difference between losers and winners is "who wants to win". watching people compare arsenal to baca sometimes is an insult to Barcelona. if bacca is to have arsenal kind of attitude, they would have been like the gunners by now.

  101. Tony Evans

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:43 #84801

    Hi Ron - Spurs or Westham fit the bill for me as to what Wenger has turned us in to. We're not even that easy on the eye now though are we, just lightweight and full of gutless poseurs like Walcott; a player a more ruthless coach would have shown the door to years ago. I agree with you re United and Mourinho - a bad fit if ever there was one, and I don't believe a word of it. I would have had him at Arsenal I freely admit but after his boring, everybody is against us (even the team doctor), antics at Chelsea this season I am not so sure I would want him now. Mind you I would take virtually anyone if it meant the end of Wenger!

  102. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:43 #84800

    Yes indeed well done Souness for coming out and saying it like it is ant telling the truth, we are a joke of a club a shambles (and we know it)and a whole lot more besides thanks to an arrogant old fraud of a manager. Go now old man.

  103. Red Member

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:37 #84799

    this is the defining week of the season, indeed maybe of the last decade. if Wenger leads Arsenal to defeat against Spurs then the backlash against him will be like no other he has faced in his near 20 years at the club. It is slowly starting to dawn on people that Spurs are now probably favourites to win the league

  104. jeff wright

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:34 #84798

    AW, Wilshere is certainly more suited to Woy's more direct tactics ,doesn't say much for Wenger's this, and by being played deeper . Wenger doesn't want leaders he is a megalomaniac a control freak who wants everyone to just do as he says. He doe-sent like le Coq, he has never liked or rated him and only circumstances - as with Flim Flam, forced him to bring Coq back,he is however struggling as many predicted that he would to live up to the hype that was put up after he appeared to be the missing link in Arsene's chain of evolution. The thing with evolution is that it is supposed to continue onward whereas with Arsene it goes backwards! You couldn't make it up.

  105. Ron

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:18 #84797

    Tony - i tend to think we ve morphed more into Greenwoods or Lyles West Ham than Spurs. Spurs always had it in them to roast a few teams even at their most powder puffy. They ll have to push the boat out to keep Potchetino i think. Though its Spurs, i sort of hope that they can keep him and see where he can take them too. Not only that but a resurgent Spurs always adds extra nails into AWs coaching coffin! I think Utd will sick by LVG too. They need to keep their nerve and not pander to the media thirst for a sacrifice. Putting Mourinho in there will be a Moyesesque balls up i think. His days at the very top Clubs are done i think. He designed and then climbed into his own coffin. Spoke to a good few Utd fans yesterday and its clear that many dont want him anywhere near OT. They seem OK about LVG but Pottch and Koeman are names they mention favourably.

  106. Mark H

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:16 #84796

    Can't disagree with any of the above but assuming Arsene does throw in the towel and resigns( and I'm not sure he would given his stubbornness and financial inducement) does anyone believe the board would make the right appointment? Or would they rely on Arsene advice I fear they might in which case God knows who we would end up with .

  107. Mark from Aylesbury

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:14 #84795

    Poor old AKB's in the words of the song "knowwhere to run to, knowwhere to hide" once the rubicon is crossed there is no going back so looks like Arseblog has finally joined the WOB's. Delighted to see Jameson use the term WOR and runaway from his self created term WOB. It has really stung him that he helped populise anti Wenger discontent with his WOB rants. If you feel miserable today because Wenger let you down. You deserve it! Yes yer do as the sensible contingent have been telling you for years what a busted flush, greedy, cowardly (for not being man enough to resign) , loser Wenger is. As MBG says let's bring about the end times.

  108. jeff wright

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:10 #84794

    It's a little premature to claim that the top 4 places are done and dusted just yet Westie. It could well go down to the wire for 4th place.Especially if we keep dropping points like we have been doing.

  109. anthony walters

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:08 #84793

    so jw i misinterpereted your piece and you mine.wilshire i hope is worth the wait .it's a big if though.agree everything about yesterday you say.particularly leaders.we have 2 flamini who at least tries to organise but is past his best and his best was good not great and wilshire injured for most of 3 seasons.wilshire even if fit is seen by wenger as an attacking midfielder or right side of which he is good i see him best used if fit alongside coquelin driving us on from deep as roy hodgson sees him.

  110. Tickets

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:06 #84792

    Tickets for Hull Away FAC replay now available to all members including silver and red up till 5pm.

  111. Ron

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:01 #84791

    Bard - there was a lot of store put by that home win v Utd and far too much emphasis given to what it meant. It was in truth a dysfunctional Utd side, tactically all at sea and clearly unprepared for that match. They never even seemed taken aback by that 3 goal salvo when it happened and yet, as the game wore on they fashioned the chances to have recovered and still took over the game territorially. Reverse the roles and play it at OT, an Arsenal team under Wenger would have been blitzed for 6 or 7 im sure. There would have been no partial recovery to limit the damage as there was by Utd that afternoon. Marcus - Arsenal ALWAYS look terrified at OT, in the warm ups and the general play. OT is the type of stadium that eats up some teams before they start. Its the type of stadium that grown massively and yet is still enclosed with the nearest fans being still quite close to the players. Arsenal are always on the menu for Utd, however out of sorts they are. Its been the same since the 1960s. Ozil looking disgusted at his team mates you say? Good grief mate. If theres one player who needs to look at himself before others, its him. Hes one of the primary flops in that team and has been since he signed for the Club. Hes the epitome of a player with no drive nor balls. You make some very apt points though.

  112. Tony Evans

    Feb 29, 2016, 14:00 #84790

    RedPig - I know what you mean in hardly being able to recognise your own team now. As one or two have already said we have turned in to the Spuds: a cup team at best with no backbone and liable to let you down at the drop of a hat. Meanwhile over on the dark side Pochettino is moulding a half decent team loaded with what we used to have - a good mixture of aggression, speed and flair - backed up by a top quality keeper. Years of under-investment in our squad, combined with Wenger's complete inability to motivate a team has led to this nightmare scenario and here we are now relying on Leicester to stop the Spuds when we could and should have had the title in the bag, gift wrapped with best wishes from Manure, City and Chelsea!

  113. SarfLunden

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:58 #84789

    Never mind. he £158 million in the bank "will be like a trophy" for Stan and the board.

  114. Kenmarts

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:56 #84788

    Wow..... Lovely.... Well I just wanna let ya all know that if we won that game yesterday... Most of you would be kissing "Léprofessuer's feet".... I'm from Nigeria. We don't have spurs fans here... But for u guys in London, how would it feel to finish below spurs? The pride of London.... Chelsea took that The pride of north London.... Spurs are taking it I cry every time I watch arsenal play... Win draw lose... Because all I see Is lucky football... If we win at Swansea and spurs ... Y'all will jump back on the " Wenger we love u train".. No real commitment from the fans... If u really loved the club..... Stop attending Games.. Home & Away.. Till we stand up in One voice... Push Wenger, gazadis, krenoke out.. Regardless of what ever they promise or whatever action they take.... We'll never see Arsenal FC as a real club... Find a way to get usmanov in...

  115. Alsace

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:52 #84787

    There was a big fat piece in the Sunday Telegraph about how the club's commercial database has been revamped reorganised and re targeted to get the best commercial response out of the financial vehicle that is Arsenal (There used to be a football club over there)Societe Anonyme. I wonder if we could get shot of the old fool if we make a business case to the Commercial Department that they would sell more shirts in Bhutan, Bahrain, Burkina Faso and Benin if we replaced the manager?

  116. Mark T

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:50 #84786

    It was exactly what I expected. An incoherent shambles from start to finish. I agree with the point about Ozil entirely - he's one of the few actually doing what he's paid to do. If the manager had an ounce of integrity or self-respect he would go. But he has shown himself to possess neither. It comes down to this: if you can't raise your game when the title is at stake, when can you? How many times have we watched an energy-less Arsenal turn out. At least every other game for the last 7-8 years? Why the surprise when in happens again? It will keep happening unless there is fundamental change. Only the lunatic expects that doing the same thing is the route to something different.

  117. jeff wright

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:44 #84785

    AW,I was referring to the time period in which GG won his trophies not how long he was with us. Wenger's best period was at Highbury - it's been a game of two halves with him unable to match that period at The Emirates. Regarding Jack, well he is always injured, so only a fool who kept faith in Diaby for donkeys years would rely on him staying fit. The current side lacks a leader ,too many Indians and not enough chiefs .It was noticeable right from the start yesterday that no one wanted the ball when one of our players had it and they had no idea what to do with it! It was really pathetic to watch .Wenger continues to pick players based on loyalty or their price-tag .I see no sign of any unity or togetherness among the side - the huddling and cuddling before the kick-of is obviously contrived and fooling no-one - least of all themselves. I can't see us finishing in front of City they have a game in hand an easier run-in and we have to play them away second last game of the season. You couldn't make it up.

  118. Leggsy

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:41 #84784

    Never mind a win on Saturday will maintain the challenge ,its more important than that . It is a case of Win on Saturday or the unthinkable might happen ! ANmd We all know what that is !

  119. Nick

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:41 #84783

    Wenger has been a great servant to Arsenal but all good things must come to an end , he risks destroying any goodwill towards him by staying and continuing to preside over failure and collapses of title and CL challenges, while refusing to spend on needed reinforcements , his name is Arsene Wenger and he HAD a magic hat but now he's gone and lost it and its time that that was that !

  120. Bard

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:39 #84782

    Dan H; interesting comment. i agree in all the hoopla its been overlooked that we dont even play half decent football anymore. I said a while ago the first 20 mins at home to Man U was about the only good football we have played all season. I honestly think we are watching a dead man walking at the moment. Even as deluded as Wenger is even he can see that if he cant motivate a side to win the title from this position he is finished.

  121. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:34 #84781

    So there we have it. We've seen this happen at this time of year so many times over so many years now, yet according to Westlower it can be entirely explained by the players being 'drained' from the last match. Westlower - why do you do it to yourself? Arsene isn't grateful you're prepared to make yourself look silly in his defence.

  122. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:33 #84780

    Well, well. When will the wenger lovers learn that this man wenger is the problem!! What does he tell them during the week?? It's like they are not told anything!! We looked insipid, lethargic and non interested!! It was a total shambles. Graham Souness let lose and was right to do so!! We have a clown of a manager who does not know what he is doing! I have said this for months now and I will say it again if either Tottenham God forbid or Leicester City win the league wenger has to go!! He had no more excuses! They have run out!! Again yesterday there was no leadership on the pitch a total shambles!! I watched ozils face and he was disgusted with some of the performances of his team mates!! Where do I start with some of the players? Let me start with the worse for me and that was Ramsey! He for many months made many sly comments about not being happy playing on the wing well we now know why he was there! He is absolutely awful in the middle of the park he thinks he is better than what he is!! He is technically average and can't pass a ball forward!! Total fraud who yes might score a goal or two but his all round play is poor!! Gabriel had a total shocker yesterday and so did koschiely who has been poon for months now!! Walcott was just totally awful the guy is 26 he is not a young guy anymore. He is on 140k a week let that sink in!! The only good thing he has is pace nothing more totally clueless and he caused the first goal as he thinks his messi and can go pass 5 players without losing the ball just he caused the first goal at Liverpool!! It's like he does not learn clearly the manager did not or has not berated him!! It's a total joke!! Look again the players looked scared you could see it on their faces they looked petrified during the warm up. It is ridiculous. It's like they need a shrink. For me it all stems from the manager!! The man is totally clueless and he showed his childish behaviour again walking off without shaking hands smh!! The man is a joke now and is just a caricature of himself. The pressure is on wenger big time and you can tell he knows it. We have a tough game on Wednesday and boy another tough one at Tottenham.. Look we have had these same problems for ten years with completely different teams the one thing that remains the same is the manager he is the common denominator!! He has to go!! His tippy teapot football has failed big time, his reluctance to sign quality is being exposed big time by the piss poor players he has in many positions who are clearly not good enough for arsenal. His tactically clueless and gets found out time and time again!! Wenger knows it and he is getting more rude with his players performances. The games up

  123. KC

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:29 #84779

    Thank you Charlie, I believe anger is now the only emotion left. There are no excuses, the team have the ball do nothing with it, they dont have the ball they concede, Southamption, Sheffield Wed, Liverpool, yesterday and thats just this season. The manager cannot motivate them, their lack of effort yesterday was beyond belief. Wenger does not believe in a spine, hence he will not spend proper fees on defensive type players and for years ignored the keeper position. All teams require a spine you can do it the Barca way (keep the ball) but you require top drawer players or you build one Wenger does neither, so once our creative side fades we have nothing to fall back on, hence we concede so many. The game is over for Wenger for the majority of us but we only support! The men at the top dont support but all profit, our pain is not their's so until we voice our displeasure at the games its unlikely he will resign. I write this as an old Wenger fan, the writing has been on the wall for years and sadly he has allowed pound signs and finance to rule his head in place of football and winning. The incredible aspect is that he watches the same weaknesses week in week out and does not learn from his own successful sides i.e skill and craft built upon a hard solid base. The man has lost all reality with the football world. Souness is a very good honest commentator and he hit the nail on the head yesterday. Quite simply we were pathetic, its not talent thats missing its mentality, honesty and desire and that is shocking. What Wenger cannot handle is criticism as seen in press conferences, AGM's so once the crowd turn he will cry like a baby, I just hope we do.

  124. RedPig

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:21 #84778

    Tony Evans (Post No. 89685) Great post mate. This farce with Wenger has become so intolerable and gone on so long that it has pushed genuine fans into having thoughts no fan should ever have about his own team. And yet when I see Arsenal now it no longer feels like it is my own team I am watching ... so I get confused whether or not I am being treacherous if I am not willing them on. Who are the real patriots living in countries suffering under a tyrannical regime? The ones who support it no matter what? Or the ones hoping something happens to bring it down? I would say the latter.

  125. jjetplane

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:17 #84777

    said it many times before that Arsenal FC as a club dropped off the radar when Pires took the pitch on crutches. Half argued with people then that nothing will happen again with Wenger at the helm and certainly a CL win totally out of reach. What is historically bewildering is the rubbish Wenger spouts in such an auto cue fashion with a vocabulary range about the same as a twitter response. His lack of variability in his English use is akin to the lack of variety on the pitch irrespective of the opponent. It is all one broad stroke to fit all. Like the memory of an old person who keeps harking back to what seemed a golden time. There were good times winning doubles but somehow that last double was rightly the work done of that particular unit. The benefit of having GG's defence can never be measured. That defence allowed the others to do some very creative things in the PL. In the CL it was always a different matter and perhaps even from the beginning of his tenure, Wenger was the wrong man all along. The other news is that Santi is nothing but a stop gap who is missing as much as he is avaiable. Fear for Ozil as he really is at the wrong club. He needs a footballing kick up the arse to motivate him but I think his body language now clearly states, as does Sanchez, that all is not well and there are so many average players at Arsene FC now who are to believe they are better than they are. Giroud would be better off at Sunderland though I think him like others would not hack it at a more honest level. That is the crux. The club is now a dishonest club. Forgive me for laughing but prior to yesterdays game Wenger was talking of 'having to calm the players down because they are so up for it' presently ... Believe that and you must not like football as much as you think. Good old Pires - properly retired from playing last week and what a battler that man was. He did not mind being unpopular with some when he could deliver as he did. sanchez does not even get near him .... & whoever thought Ozil was the new Denis ..... Ashamed of Arsene FC.

  126. Westlower

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:12 #84776

    The team that has the best for/against goal ratio is TH with 2.33, followed by Citeh 1.71, Leic 1.69 & AFC 1.65. IF, and it's a big IF, TH can maintain that ratio they will be Champions. But with 33 points left to play for it's too early for any team to be throwing in the towel. I stand by my thoughts that the Barcelona game completely drained (physical & mental) some of our players. We gave so much on Tuesday, chasing shadows for 90 minutes, compounded by the disappointment of losing. @Jeff, The top 4 is pretty much set bar a capitulation by one of the teams, so this years top 4 is relevant, not last years, as that's now history.

  127. Mark

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:07 #84775

    i thought that we were extremely poor and a better side would have nailed us 5-0. there must be something seriously wrong inside that Club not to have been anything other than super highly motivated for every match right now (except barc away) but thats very clearly absolutely not the case. lets get Martinez lined up for next season or Ronald K from southampton

  128. anthony walters

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:05 #84774

    jeff you said on here george graham was here 5 years when in fact almost 9 so some of your FACTS are certainly questionable .it is time for change i absolutely agree we look stale and in need of fresh ideas.in other seasons injuries have played a part but no excuses this season .only a consistently injured wilshire would be a shoe in in a top side .as i said when we won at old t 2002 pires adams and henry 3 of our best players were injured as was van bronkhurst.no excuses for arsene now .even a title or fa cup win i still think he has had his time here.

  129. chris dee

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:02 #84773

    Don Froth spot on,'nuff said. The very first post sums Arsenal up in a couple of sentences.And as we have seen in the last ten years the defensive organisation amounts to zilch. Truly appalling defending not fit for a so called top side.Look at the goals against for Leicester and Spurs and then look out our pathetic effort. And please no more Woolcott enough is enough.He can't pass,he can't dribble,has no reading of the game and defensively does sod all.If he was a top goalscorer and scored 25-30 a season he could be forgiven but he can't even score goals on a regular basis. And enough of the we have 'the mental strength' and are 'up for the fight' b******s from the manager.

  130. gnasher81

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:01 #84772

    One word... PATHETIC Just feel like we've been royally mugged off yet AGAIN... The additional ticket cost fiasco pre-Barca "We need to keep the ticket prices high to continue to buy the best players" BUY? "United midfield was experienced and they have spent a lot of money" Well WHY haven't we? It's there in black and white showing our untouched bank balance but it feels like they produce the accounts simply to show off. If Leicester or that team from Enfield win the League it will be "It just proves the League can be won on a budget" and if Man City come back from the dead it will be "We cannot compete with their financial power" Stop mugging us all off and show some fight... Oh, sorry "I cannot fault the mental strength and determination of the team" BULLSH*T

  131. Damian

    Feb 29, 2016, 13:00 #84771

    I think the comment we have turned in to Spurs and Spurs us is most apt. Who would bet against Spurs winning the EPL, we make 4th behind Leicester and City and Chelsea winning the CL so dropping us in to Europa Cup. ( Not to mention Man U winning Europa cup and CL.) Problem is at Board level. the sooner Usmanov takes over the better he will pump money in to the club and he is richer than Roman from CFC

  132. Dan h

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:56 #84770

    Agree with almost all the comments.The only thing I can add we don't even play good football anymore.Pointless sideways passing at testimonial pace.It's been stale for along time.The players given every excuse by OGL.You can count on one hand the number of games we have played well this season.Yet another wasted opportunity,no fight and no bottle.

  133. Tony Evans

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:54 #84769

    Just read all the comments and am feeling the rage and frustration radiating out from the screen! All I can do is join in as I haven't been as hacked off as this for quite a while now as I have learned to accept that the club I grew up with, instead of standing for grit, fight and determination, now stands for the polar opposite. Sometimes it still gets to me though and yesterday was one of those days. What a shameful 'performance' when so much was at stake and United were fielding such a makeshift team. And then Wenger comes out and says he could not fault the teams attitude! As someone else has said I wouldn't bet against us winning the next two games though as Wenger always somehow saves himself when on the brink of fans finally turning against him in sufficient numbers to maybe force him out. Hurts me to say it but it would probably be better in the long term if we lost at the Lane, but I can't quite wish for that. Wenger should be ashamed of himself for alienating long term supporters and pushing them to the brink of wanting to lose a NLD in the hope of getting rid of him. I'm no glory hunter I just want to see Arsenal show some pride, desire and commitment, like we used to, and none of those things will return as long as Wenger stays at the helm.

  134. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:52 #84768

    Bewildered, Disappointed, frustration ? not at all Charlie, anger yes that a past it old fraud of a manager has destroyed this club (and being allowed to, you know who you are) and turned it into a laughing stock and a figure of fun for others with this latest embarrassment, e can talk about the players all we like, form, etc, etc there's only one solution whether some like it or not and we ALL know it. wenger out.

  135. jeff wright

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:52 #84767

    AW, all of this Wenger over-saw the stadium move is just complete nonsense and just another old discredited excuse to try and cover up for his inept clueless management since we moved from Highbury. Wenger chose to go down the Project Youth route - he had tried it at Monaco and it failed there as well. It was nothing to do with a lack of money .He then went for project Barca-Lite tippy-tappy and how is that getting on >? Wenger's not pulled up any trees given his resources provided by the stadium move this move aided him as Diamond Danny pointed out and did not hinder him. You are still though obviously struggling to grasp this fact and continue to parrot the party line that others on here ,such as Amos and Chris, peddled -they also believed in Platini's Far Play rules and that Santa Claus lives in Lapland. You couldn't make it up.

  136. Joe S.

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:46 #84766

    At least someone has put the spotlight on Ramsey. This was the season when he was supposed to have stood up or at least so I wished but it is obvious to everyone that he does not have the class. He is everywhere, however balls get misdirected or go square half chances never even get on target and his presence in midfield is soft. How can so many people blame Ozil but miss where the real problem on the field lies. Off it of course it has to be Wegner, his failure to chase for someone like Vidal was mediocrity in motion.

  137. theopants superstar

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:40 #84764

    Who believes that had Man United been going for the title and had played against our essentially reserve/youth team, that they would have capitulated like we did? To me it boils down to this: The players are not as good as they or the manager think they are; the manager is not as good as the Board, some players and loads of fans think he is, and the Board just don't have the ambition to be the best and thus make the change necessary. If we do, by some miracle, win the league, we will undoubtedly be the poorest side to have won it since probably Blackburn 20 years back. Poor and weak in so many places it is now gone beyond embarrassing.

  138. anthony walters

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:40 #84763

    ron ,i qualifying for and playing against them i thought is what i clearly meant.in terms of trophies of course not.only manager in history to lose all 3 euro trophies suggest wenger can't take us further in europe i am not an idiot if he can't do it with great squads of the past he isnt likely in the future .

  139. Sid Pearce

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:30 #84761

    The same old reasons season after season i.e. numerous injuries, particularly to young English players, failure to strengthen the squad, particularly in the defensive areas, lack of leaders on the pitch etc etc. Add a dollop of complacency and AW’s misguided loyalty to players who are either not up to the job or regularly injured (or both) it is not hard see why PL success continues to elude us.

  140. Bob

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:30 #84762

    An inspid display which epitomised Arsenal over the last ten years under Wenger. No character nor strength in depth. We need a new manager next season to start to rebuild the squad and bring in winners.

  141. Augustus Flair

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:28 #84760

    You have to say the manager is young, dynamic, tactically flexible, wryly humorous, intelligent, realistic, grounded, focused and amusingly insightful with the media. But that's enough of Pochettino, back to the old fraudster at our gaffe...

  142. Ron

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:25 #84758

    Its up for grabs - great post and totally correct. If the Club only knew why such as your goodself, myself and many, many others have given up going almost completely, it might open a few eyes. At home games, the stadium is choc full of Westie types. Away from home, its not quite that way and hasnt been for years, but there are a few like Westlower who would still excuse Wenger if he took a dump on their heads. Its incredible how him and this regime has took such a grip on their psyche for so long. It would in fact make good subject matter for a social psychology thesis and throw a lot of light on the capacity of human beings to be brainwashed. A Walters - AFC are not and are nowhere near being one of Europes 'elite'. What is yr basis for saying such a silly thing in the absence of any existing historic European credibility and no recent ECL wins on the Clubs CV.?

  143. Peter Wain

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:23 #84757

    The worst performance under Wenger and that says it all. The weakest Untied side I have ever seen and we made them look like world beaters God help us on Saturday if we perform this badly the scum will declare. Title champions do not lose 4 -0 at Southampton lose at Albion draw with Norwich. Wenger must be sacked now before the farce that is the transfer window.

  144. anthony walters

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:20 #84756

    jw i meant he has kept us in the champions league and as a club in a position to challenge the elite. oversaw the stadium move and not success in trophies in europe. when you look at the 2002 squad i listed it is obvious to most what i meant and during wengers period leeds newcastle were in the champions league where are they now ?liverpool everton spurs need new stadiums lets see how it effects them.our squad isn't of that standard.yesterday was unacceptable i agree and i find it inpossible to see success in europe under wenger.you read what you want out of that statement of mine.being critical of the club and manager is fine seeing 100 per cent bad as you do of everything do all the t time is your way and balance is not in your nature.

  145. AMG

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:19 #84755

    Bring on the end times - Wenger out!

  146. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:15 #84754

    Well here we are again in a very familiar position are any of us surprised ? of course not a useless old manager well past his time has bottled it again along with his equally useless dwarfs, and to think some thought we'd win yesterday and were quietly confident (you know who you are, will you ever learn ?) idiots. A useless manager with useless players and any we had has now found out what TOF is really like or brought down to his and the second and third raters and cart horses level or both, what a f*****g sorry state of affairs all because on one arrogant man and his ego. wenger put us all out of our misery and go now, wenger out.

  147. jeff wright

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:15 #84753

    Westie, the top 4 clubs are those who qualified for the Champions League last season and who played in it in the current one. Leicester and the spuds are not one of them. We are points down in our games played against Chelsea 6 of them lost ..Evens with United 3 a piece and 3 up on City but still to play them away. Given Chelsea's situation at the time we played them away and United's yesterday to drop 9 points in those games will prove very costly ,with games away to come at the spuds, Everton, WHU, Sunderland and of course City... the damage is already done and cobbling together some stats based on the 6 points won off Leicester and 3 from City at home is not going to change that fact with those games awaiting. Swansea will not be easy either they made life tough for the spuds on Sunday and are not going to get into a flap about facing our desperate fancy Dans .At the moment you would have to say that of all the current top 4 sides we are the least intimidating . Good old Arsene.

  148. Torbay gooner

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:10 #84752

    Had a long standing commitment and only saw the last 20 mins of the game. Agree with most of what's being said here and particularly 'It's up for grabs now'. However,I just can't see enough of the'supporters' that attend nowadays, showing any kind of discontent with the current regime. Looking at the difficult away games we have left and the recent non performances it is entirely possible that we may end up in 5th. Would Wenger decide then that the game was up and walk away? Problem is that we would still be saddled with this reprobate board and their whims. Depressing times.

  149. mbg

    Feb 29, 2016, 12:02 #84751

    Of course we deserved nothing we never do, this useless manager deserves nothing, it would be a crying shame if he did win the league because if there's a manager who doesn't after all the embarrassments and humiliations he's caused this club it's him, so thank god it's not going to happen now. Go now wenger your an embarrassment.

  150. Shu

    Feb 29, 2016, 11:53 #84750

    Meek surrender , no fight , no leaders , groundhog day. Where are the leaders ,does anyone want to stand up and be counted, NO. Roll on Sunday ,now that will be fun !!!!!!!!!!!

  151. Ron

    Feb 29, 2016, 11:51 #84749

    I heard Grahame Souness on SSN this a.m. Summed Arsenal up perfectly. No balls, a dismal joke of a team, no fight nor any right to claim they're in a title race. A bunch of pussy foots. Thank heaven the media are finally onto what AFC has become under this washed up Coach. Makes me wonder where theyve been though, as many of us have been saying this for at least 6 years! The trouble is there are still those out there of Westlowers persuasion whos tired baseless excuses of 'flat performances after ECL games' and 'fatigue'. These of that view have been propping up this rotten regime for years. I wouldn't mind, but in my experience those of that view rarely to never actually go to see any games. Now we have to listen to silly Arsene saying he needs to see the match at OT again to work out why they lost yesterday! F----ng hilarious. Wenger, you ought to have come and joined us in the away section and seen it properly and you might have learned some thing from those of us not earning 8 Million quid p.a. There were a few up there who would have helped you out yesterday with some timely 'advice'.

  152. Jamerson

    Feb 29, 2016, 11:43 #84748

    I admit the performance lacked balls.I would like to invite the squad to come for a weeks hard labour on my Suffolk farm serving as my slaves with my brother lashing the backs of those who fall short. Spoilt easy London living turns a man into a self pleasing funster,that's why I like to escape to the country for half the year and flee from all these idolators.

  153. DECLAN BURKE

    Feb 29, 2016, 11:33 #84747

    Despite much success on and off the pitch, Arsenal fans of my generation will ultimately say that Wenger turned Arsenal into a 'SOFT TOUCH' and that is a terrible stain on his reputation and a bigger stain on the clubs reputation. Time for change. again .....

  154. JWE

    Feb 29, 2016, 11:31 #84746

    That's it Gooner Ron keep up the good work! Enjoy those WHL celebrations and don't forget the renew the season ticket early again this year like a good little boy. Who did we play again in those two finals? Hull - Relegated and Aston Villa - To be relegated

  155. jeff wright

    Feb 29, 2016, 11:27 #84744

    AW, I can't see myself that Wenger has made us one of 'Europe's elite clubs'he has failed miserably to establish us in that bracket during his 20 year tenure at AFC and we are no nearer now to winning our first European Cup than we were the day that he arrived at Highbury. In fact we have gone backwards if anything. When neutrals think of top Euro clubs AFC does not spring to mind they talk of Real Madrid ,Barcelona, Juventus and Bayern Munich, etc, Liverpool remain the major European Cup winners out of the English clubs with their titles spanning 4 decades . Liverpool, Chelsea and United are the Prem's only recent winners of any silverware in Europe . City have yet to lay down a marker in the Champions League but their owners have an ambition to do so - the same can't be said of our one - for Syrupy Stan making up the numbers in the group stage to win the TV cash then going out in the first KO round being the norm every season is job done.Just making money and making up the numbers in Europe doesn't make us one of Europe's elite.Good old Arsene.

  156. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 29, 2016, 11:27 #84743

    Revolution is a struggle between the past and the future, but Revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall... VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  157. Westlower

    Feb 29, 2016, 11:25 #84742

    It's always said that you have to beat the other 3 teams in the top 4 if want to win the PL. So far we have beaten Leicester (top) twice, beat Citeh (4th) & drew with the Spuds (2nd), taking 10 points of the 12 possible. Don't overestimate influence of big games on season's outcome. Only 5 of the last 10 PL winners have won this mini-league of top 4 clubs. AFC won this top 4 mini-league in 06/07 & 10/11 without winning the PL. A minimum of 4 points is needed from the 2 games this week or it becomes mission impossible.

  158. Far far away fan

    Feb 29, 2016, 11:16 #84741

    What do we do if we get hammered by the Scum? I'm genuinely concerned

  159. anthony walters

    Feb 29, 2016, 11:03 #84740

    poor passing ,weak defending ,little passion unacceptable.good analysis though i agree we miss cazorla i still believe our biggest miss is wilshire in the middle a fully fit wilshire brings the combination of passion,skill and drive in games like that. guys on here recently have discussed their favourite arsenal squads last few days 98 79 04 invincibles came up our best squad i believe was 2002 when we won at old trafford though i still believe a centre forward who could head the ball should have been at least a bench option .line up seaman lauren cole campbell keown vieira edu ljunberg parlour kanu wiltord subs wright dixon stepanovs bergkamp .in the squad unused through injury or not selected pires adams henry van bronkhurst grimandi upson luzhny. team yesterday cech bellerin monreal koscielney gabriel ramsey coquelin walcott welbeck ozil .subs ospina mertesacker elneny iwobi giroud campbell chambers. injured wilshire chamberlain cazorla gibbs flamini .look at the 2 squads it's too early to judge elneny iwobi chambers and bellerin may become a great player but though personally i think cech is better than seaman ospina better than richard wright .stepanovs not good enough.most of this team would be no more than squad players among the 2002 team.personally i would say a fit wilshire which has been rare the past 3 seasons or so could rotate with edu thats about it though the team then was 442 today 4231.campbell gabriel walcott would be nowhere near good enough to be in that squad yet 2 started yesterday. whatever happens even if we win the league or fa cup i believe it is time at the seasons end or before if results don't pixk up quickly to say thanks arsene you are the biggest reason we are one of europes elite clubs you won trophies and kept us competitive when funds were tight after the stadium move but you have taken us as far as you can.are you even getting the best out of these players?

  160. Red Member

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:58 #84739

    Stephen - what on earth gave you the confidence that we would brush aside Manchester United yesterday??? we are on an appalling run of form.

  161. Staplehurst Gooner

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:57 #84738

    Nick T is spot on in saying that he hates what our club has become. With you all the way there. Walcott should go and never come back and if anyone spots Coquelin, please tell him his position is in front of our back four. Wenger has to stand down now and I'm not going to get involved in slating the man as so many WOBs enjoy doing. One possible light at the end of the tunnel is that Usmanov has increased his shareholding. Maybe change is on the way. The 'balance of power' is in Tottenham's hands now and did anyone notice that our U18s were humped 4-0 by them recently? Still shaking with rage after that spineless, frighteningly passive 'performance' yesterday. Men against boys and the boys not only winning but bloody showboating too is a disgrace. It simply cannot be defended (nor it would appear can crosses from our left). A humiliation worse than the 8-2 unquestionably. If 'they' end up top of a very winnable league, then I predict a riot.

  162. Nick

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:55 #84736

    When even Arseblog calls for Wenger to go you know that things are bad, surely now even the most ardent Arsenites must realize that the evidence is damming ! For the umpteenth season running the same mistakes are made with the same inevitable consequences,even the blind must see st least some light now, Wenger has become a serial offender, killing our seasons and hopes on the altar of his hubris time after time, its looking like this season is going to be the most traumatic of all , as we are looking like being beaten into Wengers favoured position of fourth place by a plucky and brave Leicester City worst of all the Scum from the lane , it will be fourth because no doubt Manure City will now make a late charge.It could even be worse depending on how deep this current malaise bites ,All avoidable , all down to the stewardship of our manager and the inaction and smug self satisfaction of the board. Those who still defend Wenger are a part of the problem refusing to use logic, reason and the evidence of their own eyes , preferring to hurl abuse at those of us who do see what is in front of us and who can add two plus two, if you havnt had enough yet I predict many of you will by seasons end, oh how I hope I'm wrong , I really do, but somehow I dont think I am .

  163. Kenny

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:55 #84737

    We have had some disgraceful results under Inspector Clueless over the last decade and yesterday was up near the top of them.As others have said this was the worst United team for 40 years.It was all so predictable.As Souness said Arsenal are a joke.We have a manager who according to Gazidis and Kroenke who is unsackable.12 years without a title is acceptable to them.Every successful big club in Europe over the last decade Barca Madrid Bayern and Chelsea have all had multiple managers.We have the same manager after every season of failure.We will finish 4th AGAIN and we will be told by Wenger its a trophy.Arsenal a big club dont think so.Wenger should have gone after the 8-2(to me yesterday was worse) the man has no shame but he does have £8m a year

  164. GoonerRon

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:53 #84735

    @ JWE - nonsense. On that basis AMG's shouldn't have been allowed to go to Wembley or watch on TV to celebrate our two recent cup final wins either.

  165. Charlie George Orwell

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:53 #84734

    We surrendered to a Manchester Utd team that would be involved in a relegation fight if they were a La Liga side. Embarrassing, shocking and a further example – if we ever needed one – of Wenger’s impotence at being a big club manager. If only the weight of his stubbornness and yes, shamelessness, was matched by similar quantities of motivation and tactical nous. Arsene supporters say stay, Arsenal supporters say go. Clear as that, really.

  166. RedPig

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:53 #84733

    Gaz – I agree with you that yesterday was in the same category as the 8-2. Yet rather than look mortified and embarrassed, I thought Wenger looked surprisngly upbeat after the game. This is obviously a front. Perhaps he thinks if he doesn’t look like he is ashamed then nobody will think he should be? There is no hope of a man like Wenger ever doing the decent thing and offering his resignation when even an apology is beyond him. I admit if Arsenal had won yesterday I would have said Wenger had got lucky by playing against such a depleted Man United side. Yet we still lost and lost deservedly. Yet another self-inflicted wound. It’s tempting to ask how much longer this can go on for … but it’s pointless because it has already gone on 6 or 7 years too long already. But what a wasted decade it has been and continues to be.

  167. Alsace

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:53 #84732

    It's up for Grabs - I'm afraid that for the last 10 years I have spent my matchdays loudly criticising the manager. I'm sure that in some parts of the stadium I would have been attacked by those who live mentally up the Manager's bottom. My father and brother (who don't go to the games) concede that Arsenal are simply not good enough but don't connect this with Arsene Wenger. This, right now, is the clearest manifestation of his rank incompetence. When the stadium turns on him, as we all want it to, it will be quite spectacular.

  168. GTG

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:52 #84731

    As a fan base we need organising to vent our frustrations at the manager in a way that will get noticed because the majority of the away end yesterday were all furious with Wenger and the team. However that doesn't come across from the support and it needs too because ive said for a long time that is the only way we are going to get change. Wenger will not be able to handle it if the fans turn on him and he would walk.

  169. Bard

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:51 #84730

    JWE; my sentiment exactly. Teams always end up mirroring the manager. The team reflects his strengths and weaknesses. He flatters to deceive, when its time to really stand up the team capitulate. Its been like that for years now. It will be a very unpleasant end to a man who has given so much. He just hasnt known when to pack it in.

  170. ....well and truly got the Arse

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:41 #84729

    The team that took the field was, on paper anyway, head and shoulders above manure in terms of ability...i could only see them matching our work ethic, drive, hunger, determination, tenacity etc, and given what was at stake, was certain they wouldn't even mange that. If we lose then we lose and we must accept it, but not like that. There are no excuses for that performance and i take particular offense to the manager's post match comments, where he stated, yet again, how we 'gave absolutely everything', and that he wasn't concerned by our 'level of commitment'. Even if he's lost his touch, his warped sense of humour is clearly intact. I suppose when you earn the sums he does (with zero accountability) you can afford to smile. Though we all know what he'll say, perhaps just once he could actually say it like it is. That wasn't positive reinforcement it was taking the piss. I am not saying he should take our players apart in public but an indication or acceptance that we were dreadful, together with some visible sign of anger would have been gratefully received, if nothing else than to suggest some harsh words will be spoken behind closed doors. Realistically it's now a two horse race, so let us pray for the right result next weekend or the unthinkable is surely odds on...

  171. JWE

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:39 #84728

    To all of the people who have stuck by AW for the past decade even though the facts all suggested that he needed to go long ago, you will be well rewarded with your 'loyalty' by having to watch Tottenham celebrate winning the League title for the first time since 1961. That is what you deserve and that is what you will get. The players mirror the manager and the fans inside the stadium follow suit. Timid, passive and weak minded. Keep your mouths shut, don't say boo to a goose and enjoy the celebrations at WHL.

  172. Charles

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:32 #84727

    The players can't pass the ball, can't control the ball, can't shoot and can't defend. WENGER OUT.

  173. John Abrehart

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:28 #84726

    Well written Charlie As usual, like so many games this season the opposition play with a packed defence and pick us off on the break and our gung-ho rearguard are awol trying to do the job of our non-existant front line. Expect more of the same in the games to come. For me, the most depressing aspect was two substitutions that instead of being 'game changers' which would be expected of a club with our resources and stature, we bring on Elneny and Owobi, both as green as grass and immediately giving away possession and needless free kicks. I will watch the Barca game, just to marvel at the best team in the world but otherwise I have just about given up on this season, AGAIN!…………….

  174. Bard

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:27 #84725

    There is no shame in losing if you turn up and give it everything but to put in such a lacklustre performance when so much is on the line can only mean all is not well in the camp. That was abject capitulation. Wenger has had an age to sort this out. The fact that he hasnt or cant means the buck stops at him. There can be no more excuses, he needs to leave at the end of the season, no questions.

  175. It's up for grabs now

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:27 #84724

    Reading through the various comments from the last couple of days or so since the defeat on Sunday, it’s striking how many contributors state they want Wenger to do the honourable thing and leave at the end of the season. Without trying to be rude to those who suggest this, we are talking about a control freak here, whom has absolutely no intention of ever leaving full stop. A dictator never quits or does the ‘honourable thing’; you only need to look at current events in Syria to see that! If you want Wenger out, you must voice your opinions now inside the stadium, because if you wait until the end of the season, your opportunity will once more have passed by, and low and behold groundhog season number eleven will be upon us, with guess who in charge!

  176. Stephen

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:15 #84723

    I agree with all you have written Charlie. I was so confident we would brush Man U aside and what followed was just shocking. A total lack of commitment and an inability to move the ball forwards, certainly not at pace. There is no confidence in the squad and , yes, they really do miss Cazorla, but Wenger has had ample time to find a midfielder with some drive and imagination to replace or back up a 31 year old. It is churlish , at this stage to start blaming the players. They are highly talented and in a different set-up could be great to watch. After resisting saying that Wenger must go, I am happy to join the crowd who want to see him out at the end of the season. This team doesn't play for him. They have no coaching it seems, as its the same stuff every week whatever the situation or the opposition. No player has moved forward this season except Ozil and the future looks no better than it did two or three years ago. Arsenal is not a football club and the Board have prevented the club from moving forward. Another £100 wasted on the season ticket. It hurts.

  177. Snowbiggee

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:14 #84722

    The whole regime at the club remains putrid.The only silver lining is that more of the slow-witted seem to be finally accepting Wenger for what he really is.The "be careful what you wish for" crowd need to realise that when things get this stale change is not a gamble it is the only way to move forward.

  178. DRAGONGOONER

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:11 #84721

    Really disappointing performance against a United side that was there for the taking. Our big chance to put the ghosts of the past to bed and we play like a bunch of *******, and give the press the ammunition to slate us yet again.Chokers, bottlers etc. There is nobody on the field who takes any responsibility. No leaders to inspire, shout instructions or simply give someone a kick up the arse. We have not had any inspirational captains/players since 2004. Souness is right the players are too passive, no fire, no fight, no balls. This has gone on for too long, another season we have managed to throw away because we don't have the mindset to fight for it, despite what Wenger says. Too many below par performances in a game where you would have thought they would have been rubbing their hands together to get at that utd. team. Charlie you are right, Ramsey is a shadow of what he was doing in previous seasons. As a fellow Welshman I fear his brain is already thinking about France in the summer. CLUB before country every time in my book. No excuses, we should be doing better than this nonsense.

  179. Nick T

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:07 #84720

    Couple of points firstly haven't we turned into sp*rs whilst sp*rs are now turning into us?!? Secondly Im actually strangely confident about the NLD given our dictator's ability to always grab a result just as the roof's caving in....lose this weekend and I don't think even AW can blag his way out!! Truly hate what our club has become and the people who currently represent it on and off the pitch - doesn't feel like the same club anymore, cerrtainly not The Arsenal I grew up with. Sad

  180. Mathew

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:03 #84719

    That Utd time was there for a mauling, I expected a reverse of 8-2 after the team sheet. With Carrick and Blind at CB and a rookie at CF was asking for a kill. Its a tale of fortunes, had ManU lost yesterday's match LVG would have been in deep trouble and now Wenger faces the brunt. His failure to recruit a quality forward and a CB has been the flashpoint this season. An economist in him tends to win over the shareholders, as they too have conceded with the annual revenues and share prices. The philosophy of winning titles and ambition was never shown, even after attaining a financial stability. I do wonder maybe its not just the manager, even the Board looks okay with it. As always, its painful to support a club like Arsenal, whose ambitions are different than the supporters want

  181. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Feb 29, 2016, 10:02 #84718

    Is there an Arsenal fan out there that expected anything else other than exactly what we got yesterday? It's so predictable as to almost be laughable. This history book will carry on repeating itself just as it has each and every one of the last 8/9 years until this man does the honourable thing and resigns. If ever a team and the individuals within it were moulded in the exact image and personality of their manager then it's these bollock less wonders in this Arsenal side. Gutless, cowardly, passionless, scared of their own shadows. Cech is the only one I would not put in the same bracket but then he came from a club where there is a culture of winning and success. Wenger has changed the DNA of our club into the total opposite of what it once proudly was. We used to have leaders, real men, players that refused to lose that were the embodiment of what used to be the classiest club in this country. That man has stripped us of everything we were once so proud of. I hope he is happy with himself come May when S**** are parading the title that should have been ours. Please just go now, do the decent thing at last

  182. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:58 #84717

    Is it possible that post-match Wenger said, "Our commitment was 100% there. I could not question our commitment or desire...” is the man totally delusional? Watching the last 10 minutes of that match as a team of kids showboated around us was just as embarrassing as the 8-2 defeat, maybe more so. A curse on all you AKB's for your support of the Specialist in Failure! Let’s not have any of you Wenger apologists moaning and complaining about what you endured yesterday. Your support of Wenger is what allows these kind of gutless performances to happen year after year. I just hope you are feeling proud of yourselves as you betray us and bestow the same misery upon us season after season.... KROENKE/GAZIDIS/WENGER OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  183. GoonerRon

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:54 #84716

    So utterly pissed off. Even a goal down, 2 goals down, it felt like if we upped it a couple of notches we could still do something, but it just never came. We must have had 25-30 minutes at 3-2 and I can't remember a decent chance we created. I'm sick of hearing 'we need to react in the next game' - why can't we react during the game so we don't lose and therefore avoid the need to talk about reacting in the next game. The season is on a ****ing knife edge now - still a chance for the double but in reality, with our current lack of form - it just doesn't look anywhere near likely.

  184. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:48 #84715

    I never thought we could get lower than Stoke away 2009, that's when I gave up going, however yesterday was a new low. We don't just lose games, we surrender them, however the worse is yet to come because after Wenger goes we have to clean out all traces of this "Cappuccino football" from the club. That means a cull of the coaching & fitness staff on a unprecedented level if we ever want to return to a proper professional football club. There lies the problem, who at board level is man enough to carry out this vital work that is needed to save our club and of course when you look there is no one - tough times ahead.

  185. JackL

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:48 #84714

    Before yesterday I issued a prediction of the manner of the game, the way we were going to play and the score-the only thing I got wrong was the latter, I thought we would lose 20! At the start of the week I knew this was the usual week when the season would (not) be decided and it's the same old story, no goals v Hull, no goals and lose v Barca and lose yesterday. I have been writing this theme for years now and no doubt will continue to do so for years to come until the problem is solved, and we all know what the problem is, Mr AW. I don't go along with the 'careful what you wish for' brigade, with a salary of £8m we will get someone good, that is certain. While we all hope we can turn it around, deep down we know we are out of the champions league, fighting for 4th in the PL and keeping our fingers crossed for the cup again i.e. no progress. Success in the latter has certainly papered over the cracks (partially). Thing is I love the club and will not stop going, and I have hardly missed a match since 1963! But please Mr Wenger, do the honourable thing, end of the season will be fine thanks.

  186. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:45 #84713

    For me only two players came out yesterday with any credit; Monreal, who did look bothered, and Ozil. Ozil you say? Yes - made one, scored one, laid one on a plate for Monreal (who waited too long for it to fall on his left foot) - what more is a playmaker supposed to do? Walcott - just go now, please. I'll pay the fare.

  187. Gaz

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:45 #84712

    Without a doubt this is the worst United side I've seen in my lifetime and that was before the terrible injuries they've suffered recently! Quite frankly considering the occasion and the side we were playing I'd suggest this defeat is every bit as embarrassing as the 8-2 defeat a few years back. And to put that into context consider this. The side we faced yesterday was nowhere near as good as the side we put out that day! Then to hear Wenger saying he can't fault their spirit or commitment just rounded off yet another woeful performance and defeat at OT. Please just go in the summer Arsene and spare us any more of you bullsh*t...

  188. Martyn

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:44 #84711

    Following that performance yesterday I'm sure Ashley Williams and co. will know exactly how to play us on Wednesday. I'm fed up with Wenger's mantra of 'we will fight for it' and other redundant phrase he uses. Where was the 'fight' yesterday? This team needs to win all the remaining matches and hope Leicester and Spurs slip up big time. Will it happen? No. Arsenal needed to make a massive declaration of intent at OT and bottled it big time. Leicester play tomorrow and in all probability will be eight points clear before we go through the motions against Swansea. I'm not going to clutch at straws and think we can still win the league because quite frankly we've bean so poor since that trouncing at Southampton. The players have lost belief and it shows. I would like to think the manager would at least set the team up differently on Wednesday with a less predictable formation; drop Walcott and Ramsey and give Campbell and Iwobi a go. Also, if fit, Chambers for "rabbit in headlights' Gabriel. Who knows, there may be a 'Rashford' lurking in the youth team! Much the same though I expect.

  189. Mike Walsh

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:40 #84710

    A very accurate report which sums up the acute sense of anger and frustration felt by Arsenal fans. When a result like this knocks the good name and reputation of a club you know you are entering "dangerous waters". I have great respect for Arsene and for the success he has brought to the club, he has laid the foundations which will allow us to compete with clubs with access to fortunes which are designed to buy instant success. When, however, a team performs like Arsenal at Old Trafford questions need to be asked. Even the most one eyed supporter needs to accept that a number of players are now being paid huge salaries and failing to give anything back to the club in terms of performance. The general malaise and lack of fight from the team is selective...how can we battle it out with the best team in the world for 70 minutes and then lie down to the worst Man United side in living memory? The manager appears to have lost the players and with that the ability to motivate them to show any desire, confidence is low and the message that this season the title is there for the taking is lost on this group of players, there is no real captain at the club and the culture of " we don't give one" is alive in the performances of too many players. It breaks my heart to say it but it's time to do the right thing Arsene.

  190. Roy

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:37 #84709

    You've simply got to be angry after that. And the point of Wally being on the pitch yesterday was what, exactly? And we've managed to make a hero out of an unknown boy in the process. There's absolutely no way we should have lost that game CL game or not. If anything it was the best circumstances we could have hoped for after a CL game. That was an utter shocker make no mistake, and the body language of certain players wasn't good. This is what comes from having an owner who doesn't actually care about winning trophies, and a manager who is past it. It's taken time to manifest itself, but now it's been laid bare. And Sp**s winning the Title on the back of it all ? No, you seriously couldn't make it up. Wenger out.

  191. Augustus Flair

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:37 #84708

    Good analysis, Charlie. United are a bunch of uninspired journeymen and that makes not beating them even harder to take. Walnut was a disgrace, most of the others little better. If anyone thinks we have a prayer at the Lane please send me some of what you're on. I'm with mbg on this one - Wenger out now!

  192. Croker

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:35 #84707

    Barely a shot or header at their goal guarded by a defence led by.......Michael Carrick. Yet again our heroes implode in February and go down without any fight. As Charlie reminds us, we are looking to Leicester and the mob at the Lane to lose matches for us. If anyone is looking for someone with fresh ideas and motivational powers to occupy our dug out next season the shelf marked "replacements" is looking very bare. Depressing.

  193. Made Up Stat

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:35 #84706

    Guys, guys, patience. Just think what a force we’ll be when Wenger’s been at the helm for a number of years, the club’s been taken over by a multi-billionaire and we’ve moved to a bigger stadium. Barca and Bayern beware!

  194. Far far away fan

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:32 #84705

    Do we start printing banners now or do we wait for the defeat at Tottenham? To all the Wenger apologists, please don't comment today, nobody can argue the pointless today.

  195. Red Member

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:29 #84704

    nothing has changed this season apart from the fact that we now appear to be going backwards. Probably no surprise considering we havent bought anyone half decent for a couple of years now.

  196. It's up for grabs now

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:27 #84703

    Nothing further to add about yesterdays familiar capitulation, other than to say just exactly when will we start hearing ‘Wenger Out’ chants at the Emirates? We can moan and agree with each other as much as we like, which after all we have been doing for a number of years now, but until regular voices of discontent are heard inside the stadium, nothing will ever change. The proof of that is in the last decade or so, as we have collectively been here so many times before, but as always nothing is heard against Wenger where it matters. I am certain he would not be able to handle that, if it was done on a consistent regular basis, regardless of the result for any particular game. No point coming on here moaning if you do still attend games and not voice your opinions in the only place where it will actually counts. The problem is that many of us on here, me included, have already given up and refuse to attend anymore games; therefore we have effectively nullified ourselves! This is in my view is the nub of the problem, those who are most against Wenger are the most likely to have given up on him and the money grabbing regime as a whole, hence our voices aren’t heard other than online. This means the status quo will remain until Wenger himself calls it a day, probably moving upstairs so he can continue to rule the roost! His ego is so big, that I genuinely think he wants to beat Fergie’s record for longevity, which is why he is still around stinking the place out and will continue to do so until he has that record for himself! The difference being that Fergie was and always will be remembered for being a ruthless serial winner. Wenger however well I can think of many words to describe his post 2006 reign and serial winner is not amongst them!

  197. Wear Your Colours

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:18 #84701

    Charlie that is a very good analysis of what was a desperately disappointing afternoon. It was one of the worst performances of the season. We lacked energy and guile all over the pitch.

  198. Lanesra Nam

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:16 #84700

    We always seem to choke as soon as the pressure is on - No leaders and very little mental strength within the team on big occasions.

  199. Rob

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:15 #84699

    An utter shocker yesterday and no mistake. That Utd. Side were there for the taking and we failed abjectly. Walcott in particular was utterly spineless and anonymous and his pathetic little 'clap' to the fans infuriates. It's like a thief thanking you for the theft. The real villain is Wenger. He has no where to hide on this. But he'll be here next year and the year after. Because the sheep will continue to turn up at the Emirates sheering ground and Kronke will continue to pocket the cash. Stop that and it might change. Carry on - and it won't!

  200. Greg

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:14 #84698

    Good piece charlie. Scorp you're being too kind!! Looks like our annual Feb/March collapse has started, but don't worry we're on track for the trophy that is fourth place. Arsene, please do the honourable and leave in the summer.

  201. scorp

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:06 #84697

    clueless, spineless, cowardly, pathetic, spineless, guttural, meek, lowly, spineless.. rinse and repeat for the rest of the home games this season. and yes, if I had to summarize in one word, would be spineless..did you guess it?

  202. Don Froth

    Feb 29, 2016, 9:04 #84696

    Simply don't work hard enough, with or without the football, Barcelona work harder, as do Leciester, as do Spurs......yesterday was so predictable.