Is Anyone Surprised?

Online Ed: No defence as Arsenal lose at home to Swansea



Is Anyone Surprised?


And so, once again, we witness the ugly collapse of another Arsenal title challenge. Psychologically, Arsenal have never recovered since the their 2008 meltdown at Birmingham. The manager talks about ‘mental strength’ when the evidence points to exactly the opposite, as his team’s inability to get results when the pressure is really on (in terms of challenging for the Premier League) has been carried forward through the seasons as players have come and gone.

Robin Van Persie, Cesc Fabregas, Samir Nasri and Gael Clichy all knew that if they were to win titles, they would have to move on. Players are not completely stupid. Even if they have only known Wenger as a club manager, they are exposed to better coaches and match preparation at international level.

Arsenal’s problem is that the game has moved on. Arsene Wenger inherited a good side, and then added to it with power and pace. With the stadium move, he was able to indulge himself and try to win a title with Project Youth. The club lost their way on the field and never recovered. The Invincibles was broken up a little too quickly and players that were part of Arsenal’s successful years under Wenger have not been welcomed back to the club to help with their knowledge. Steve Bould is a yes man whose daughter goes to one of the most expensive schools in the country and will swallow his tongue to ensure that arrangement can continue. The likes of Martin Keown or Patrick Vieira are not asked to play a role because they might conflict with the manager. Harmony is everything.

Fortunately for the club, this zen philosophy seems to have extended to the stadium. There are some panto boos for poor performances or daft substitutions, but no open revolt, no Wenger out chants. Many feel it, but no one has the balls to point out that the Emperor has no clothes on. A good number vote with their feet by leaving a long time before the final whistle, and some simply do not bother to attend in the first place. On my own part, results like last night’s defeat have stopped bothering me. I am immune to it now. I would take pleasure from Arsenal winning the title under Wenger, but can no longer be disappointed when any promising challenge predictably collapses. It simply isn’t worth wasting emotional energy on something so inevitable.

Taking a look at the table, Arsenal’s title challenge – on paper – is alive and kicking. They win at Spurs on Saturday and they can overhaul Leicester by putting a run of wins together. But look at their form this season. Their best run was four wins in a row in December, and there were three in October. Aside from that, it has been a tale of inconsistency. At this stage last season, they had three more points from the same number of matches. In terms of results, they have actually gone backwards.

The bottom line is that to win the title, you need a defence. Arsenal have conceded seven goals in their last three matches – two of them at home. Sure, two of those were against a trio of Messi, Suarez and Neymar, but the other five were the combination of a teenager, Ander Herrera and the frontline of a relegation threatened team. For the first goal, play to the whistle. The players were asleep and Ramsey to start with, should have committed a foul on Cork to prevent the through ball to Routledge. Alan Curtis had changed Swansea’s formation shortly before to provide a solution to the home side’s early dominance and it was evidence of the value of such an approach, so rarely seen from Arsene Wenger.

The Gunners has started brightly, and certainly can claim ill fortune from the result last night. They hit the woodwork three times, and both Swansea’s goals had question marks over them (the winner was offside, although Petr Cech should have dealt with the cross far better).

In isolation, just a bad day at the office, but on the back of the insipid display at Old Trafford, we are watching Arsenal’s title challenge collapse by installment. Defeat at the Lane on Saturday would be a terminal blow.

Although the table offers hope of possibility, looking at the team, they look anything but champions in the making. They have simply gone off the boil. Giroud has not scored for ten matches, Alexis has failed to find the net since returning from injury. The defence looks out of sorts with the midfield in front of them doing little to cut off supply and the full backs seemingly unable to prevent crosses coming in. It sure isn’t a recipe for success.

In any normal football club, Arsene Wenger’s position would be untenable if he failed to win the title this season, but as we all know he will be hanging around next season like a rotting piece of fish stinking the place out. And these are his players, his team, his tactics, a consequence of his decision not to spend on a single outfield player last summer. He is the man responsible for the club’s lack of on-field success. An honourable man would have walked after 2008, and if he was in any doubt, definitely after 2009. But he had to stick around to prove everyone wrong. And how is that going, exactly?

To finish, an offering from Ian Henry:
“I have a new PC, which arrived yesterday; and for the first time this morning I used the Word spell checker on it. It did not recognise Arsene and suggested arsine - which is, as I am sure you know from your chemistry O level, a poisonous gas caused by arsenic reacting with certain acids.”

Quick note to Pete Mountford – I will do you a proper plug next time. But for now, check out this link if you want a bit of Arsenal art to take your mind off what we are witnessing on the pitch at the moment.

I am now on Twitter@KevinWhitcher01.

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  1. Th14afc

    Mar 04, 2016, 18:50 #85423

    Still fuming about Wednesday night...not took a loss this badly for a while...Arsenal reel u in and then kick u in the nads.....even a man Utd fan at work has been laughing at my expense this week!

  2. Nick

    Mar 04, 2016, 18:21 #85419

    Westflower if you have never since 1961 ever voiced your frustration with a players bad decisions or poor play or howled in anguish when a manager has made a glaringly obvious bad substitution then I would put it to you that you are either the most cold and nerveless person ever or you simply just dont care that much or a liar , ok you may not have actually joined in with booing but surely your not trying to tell us your frustration has never boiled over into a verbal outburst? Its because we care ( possibly too much ) that we get angry when we lose and positively incandescent with rage when we lose in the manner of the manure and Swansea games or when we've simply.capitulated in games at the bridge, anfield, Munich etc if it doesn't hurt almost physically then I suggest you just dont care.For every problem.there is a cause and a solution the evidence of the past ten years or more points unerringly to Wenger being the cause and his removal the solution, you have to treat the symptoms to cure an illness, and if we don't get rid of Wenger we will never recover out full health !

  3. Westlower

    Mar 04, 2016, 18:18 #85417

    It's about time the best player pulled his finger out and starting scoring goals again. No PL goals in 6 months is unacceptable. Less talk & more action please Alexis.

  4. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 17:46 #85409

    First Data and analysts, then tactics, training, and planning ? at least we know he's not talking about or referring to wenger and Arsenal. wenger out.

  5. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 04, 2016, 17:12 #85406

    I meant your backing of the 'poor me' narrative, as well you know. When even the current best player is recognising the problem it really is time to give up your silly charade.

  6. Westlower

    Mar 04, 2016, 17:04 #85405

    @Exeter, How does that work? My backing of the team is causing them to lose? You don't really believe that do you? Playing in front of a toxic crowd will help them lose! In my 46 years of regular attendance I never booed an Arsenal player or manager. Many booed GG when he kept pulling Limpar off. In my time, I detested the toerags that booed Sammels. Once the crowd gets on a players back they just stop functioning & the opposition gains from it. You'll never get me joining the Arsenal lynch mob.

  7. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 04, 2016, 16:08 #85398

    Ever heard of 'play to the whistle' Westlower? It's up to Wenger and the team to get the crowd onside. That's the way around it works, didn't you realise that, seeing you've been going since the '60s? The 'poor me' narrative (the refs are against us, the crowd are against us) is one the big weaknesses of Wenger and his teams and your backing for it is what will help the losing run.

  8. Westlower

    Mar 04, 2016, 15:24 #85390

    @Exeter, If the ref doesn't consider that Ozil is not being held in a half Nelson wrestling hold from behind, then he's got no place officiating in the PL. It was an obvious Arsenal free kick - even the TV pundit saw it. Good luck to Swansea on capitalising on the situation. A data analyst did a survey on all refs 'wrong' decisions in all PL games this season. Lo and behold, AFC topped their league assuming the correct decisions were given. It takes very little to change the dynamic of a game. If Gooners don't cut Wenger & the team some slack, our losing run will continue. It's impossible for players to perform at their best while being mocked by a toxic crowd. We don't want to turn into Villa. There are plenty of knowing critics (Scholes & co) now having to eat their own bile at OT.

  9. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 04, 2016, 14:42 #85384

    Westlower, of course a ref can have an influence, but in your previous comment you're putting the Swansea defeat on the ref. I know you won't allow yourself to say it, but you must be able see what everyone else can see.

  10. Westlower

    Mar 04, 2016, 14:23 #85383

    @Exeter Never underestimate the officials ability to turn a game on its head via a poor 'wrong' decision. All the planning/training/tactics can be undone in a heartbeat. Until we get instant video evidence questioning how they arrived at an iffy decision nothing will change. I'm not defending AW with this comment, just an observation of PL football since SKY sexed it up.

  11. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 04, 2016, 14:10 #85379

    Westlower, seriously, get over to Untold Arsenal if you haven't already. You would absolutely love it. They're very big on refs and conspiracies to explain AFC's woes. Presumably you also agree with Wenger's oxymoron that we have 'leaders in every position'.

  12. Westlower

    Mar 04, 2016, 13:54 #85378

    @Red Member, Arsenal to beat Barcelona is 9/1 & Sprinter Scare 9/2 to win Champion Chase. It pays 54/1. I backed Swansea at 33/1, 0-1 down, fully expecting I was throwing money away but hey, that's why we have poor refs to make the result unpredictable. The officials create so much for the Sky pundits to discuss. A straightforward 3-0 home win would be described as boring against Swansea reserves, or 6 pairs of fresh legs for a midweek game, depending on your POV. Good luck at Cheltenham, probably the best sporting event staged in UK these days.

  13. nick eke

    Mar 04, 2016, 12:55 #85373

    The natives are getting restless - now is the time to oust the dictator - WENGER OUT.........oh and Kroenke....and Ivan the Terrible

  14. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 12:41 #85370

    Ramsen, when we win the league, speaking in the waiting room of Dr Bills clinic in 2008.

  15. Red Member

    Mar 04, 2016, 12:20 #85367

    Westlower - like yourself I am also having a profitable time of it at the moment due to Arsenal's predictable slump. I certainly couldnt resist the 10/1 Swansea odds the other night. I would rather be out of pocket and see us leading the league, but at least I now have my stake money ready for Cheltenham! What odds a Sprinter Sacre/Arsenal double win on 16 March???

  16. Westlower

    Mar 04, 2016, 11:33 #85364

    @Ron, I'm flattered that you consider me an officer and a gentleman but I also have a darker side, being labelled a 'complete arsehole' by at least one of my bosses & a few of the workforce. I'm sure we could have a good conversation about our respective lives. As for managing you and your men, I would find that a breeze. Not sure if you would enjoy working for me though? Try working for a Swiss/USA company, managing a multi million pound project on a tight deadline with a workforce of approx. 100 men, a mix of cockneys, scousers & foreigners. As for my football views, I enjoy taking the opposite stance to the general consensus (committees rarely get it right) but don't let that fool you that I'm ignorant in my views. Since and including the Barcelona defeat I've won a considerable amount of money (4 figures) betting on Arsenal football matches. Barcelona @ 10/11; MU 2/1, 9/4 & 5/2: Swansea 10/1 & 33/1 in play when AFC were 1-0 up. I also backed Arsenal at 8/1 at 1-2. I've backed TH to win the PL at 12/1 & 6/1 with AFC to finish out of the top 4 at 8/1, 12/1 & 16/1 & CFC to win FA Cup at 6/1. If they are the bets of an idiot, then so be it? My forecast for tomorrow is 1-1 (6/1), but I won't be going overboard betting on the game. The continual sniping at AW has made little difference to his chance of being sacked early. The bookies offer 1/6 being AFC manager at the start of next season. Latest odds on AFC's finishing position: 1st 7/2; 2nd 3/1; 3rd 3/1; 4th 7/2; 5th or worse 5/1. Interesting that the odds to win the PL & finish 4th are the same. Everyone has an opinion, especially the pundits, but it will be a turbulent run in for sure. TH have the momentum if they can cope with the fatigue of playing in the Ropey Cup & stay lucky with injuries. Tomorrows odds TH 11/8, DRAW 12/5, AFC 2/1. Not much scope for making money with those skinny odds. Neither side will want to lose, so a draw is the 'safe' bet.

  17. Barry burgundy

    Mar 04, 2016, 10:43 #85356

    Unfortunately the Wednesday Wank Club for next week has been cancelled after Jamerson, Colesey, LeeAFC and Badarse fell flaccid after a further defeat of their Lord and master. Club is adjourned until further notice.

  18. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 04, 2016, 10:30 #85355

    Jesus, look at the state of the AKBs now. They've no defence left, so they're lashing out wildly: "You're so-and-so", "You're a troll cos you post a lot". I feel sorry for them.

  19. jeff wright

    Mar 04, 2016, 9:17 #85350

    lee kfc ,you and your close pal Colesyboy are the ones who are out of touch with reality .No idea who this AKA Milan is who cuts and pastes on another site that you post on , but I am not him you paranoid fool , and I only post on this one and unlike you pair of clowns I only use one name . I predicted that we would win the FAC for the past two seasons on here the posts are out there to prove it . Also one time saying that the FAC was our best hope of a trophy to end the 9 yawn inducing Arsene years without winning any when some were advising Wenger to give it a swerve to concentrate on winning the league. t.Things are a little more circumspect this season due to Wenger's mismanagement ,Chelsea and Everton look strong and the winner of their tie could have a big say in who wins the cup this term. As for the league,well now Wenger says our players are 'naive' and Sanchez that they lack the desire to win it and he is knackered by having been over-played.So who am I to argue with them. So what about you giving us YOUR PREDICTION THEN>? You of course don't have the bottle to do that - so my advice to you lee kfc (cluck cluck cluck) is give the sermonizing a rest -okay. This is not the first time either that you have made false accusations in your desperation to support Arsene about me.You couldn't make it up

  20. Bard

    Mar 04, 2016, 9:07 #85349

    Colseyboysetc. Supporting Arsenal and supporting Arsene are two very different things. Im sorry Mbg doesnt respond to your overtures.

  21. Ramsen

    Mar 04, 2016, 8:43 #85347

    Jeff,So we won nothing the last seasons..... I am baffled Milan... You are not an Arsenal supporter. By saying what you did about winning nothing the last seasons... LOL.... or should I say....sad... As I said: shifting the goal posts... when we win the league you still will say : we won nothing and move the goal posts to the CL.... I think you should go and visit Dr. Bill on the North Circular Road one of these days and ask for help because your hate against Wenger and our club is becoming a bit unhealthy as you start losing grip with reality it seems.

  22. John F

    Mar 04, 2016, 7:59 #85346

    After the club was trying to charge season ticket holders extra for Barca it was suggested on here that as a form of protest old football shirts could be left on seats.I would like to suggest an alternative as a protest to stan ,spare wigs. Use double sided tape to stick them to the seats .Imagine the effect of row upon row of spare wigs would have.The only problem might be if they breed and infest the Highbury area or worse still make their way to the Tottenham high road and start to inter breed.After the game Arsenal fans could be met not with the usual Neanderthal native but hyper aggressive giant wigs in Spud shirts trying to grab our wallets.

  23. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 04, 2016, 7:55 #85345

    If you think being a supporter of Arsenal football club is lonely and depressing then you need help Bard. And the mug uiresbridge isn't the answer nor is the bi polar jeff wright aka Milan, who gets off cutting and pasting on another site. Now that's lonely and depressing.

  24. Eric Chab

    Mar 04, 2016, 7:34 #85344

    Hello Mr Colesey, This is Eric writing to you again as I find English people confusing still. You not like anyone on site , you say site should end but you still write all the time. Only person like you is Mr Badarse. He strange man who write poetry that not make sense. I talk to Mrs Chab and she say man like you need to stop going to pub and take up gardening. I say you probably not have garden as you live in tower block in Edmonton. Mrs Chab say grow indoor plants. I think very good idea. Sorry English not so good.

  25. Bard

    Mar 04, 2016, 7:21 #85343

    Colseyboysetc:no Im a 'reminder'.We all need relationships and we find them in unusual places.I understand how lonely and depressing it is being an Akb these days.

  26. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 0:12 #85341

    jw, good post, yes obviously the demise of they're messiah is really getting to them now, and like they're messiah their showing it, they've nowhere to turn now (even AKB central command has pulled down the shutters) he's really let them down (again) and after they showed so much luvvvvv, and as usual their blaming and taking it out on everybody else just because they say and tell the truth, (they really don't like that) and just like their messiah they'd try anything to stop it, but as we all know wenger doesn't know best. Now that's one stat you'll not hear from the AKB statisticians, but if we'd have had the most we'd have had it high lighted in triplicate especially if wally and the carthorse would have been the hoof swingers. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  27. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 23:21 #85339

    Not to mention the posts that were others hiding behind my name. Cluck Cluck.

  28. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 23:08 #85338

    Admin, there was no need to bite, (your not an AKB are you ?) you do a sterling job we all know it, sometimes under difficult circumstances, and this old past it manager doesn't help. wenger out.

  29. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 03, 2016, 23:03 #85337

    Milan, aka jeff wright, cut and paste, cut and paste. Bard, are you the Muguiresbridge's minder?

  30. jeff wright

    Mar 03, 2016, 22:12 #85336

    Ah! So... the deluded Colseyboy emerges like a grunting gorilla out of the mist minus his little echo lee kfc cluck cluck cluck... no silly I am not AKA Milan,or Aka Bilk either ... Aka Milan sounds like some hip hop singer or an American Basketball one... also I have never been rumbled . I have no idea what that entails but it sounds nasty ... obviously the pain of Arsene's embarrassing demise is getting to you but cheer up things might improve on Saturday at high noon down the lane of shame... if not then as the parachutist said on finding that both his parachutes had failed to open,so much for sky-diving then ... on another note I have learned that we are the team with the less shots on goal from out-side the area of any side in the league... it's all down to Arsene's brilliant training ground coaching ...all that swerving around traffic cones by our players exchanging short passes with one another like they were playing a game of pass the parcel before walking the ball into the net malarkey much to old Arsene's delight ... have you noticed how shirty he gets when one of our lot lets loose with a shot from distance that ends up in the crowd ..sacre bleu! Wenger screams at his nodding dog ( Bouldy ) ve could have made 24 more passes from that position ! The problem is that opposition sides have football players in defence and not plastic cones... also would you Adam and Eve it we are the side who are top of the charts for hitting the woodwork the most times! I think a trophy should be awarded at season's end for the team who hits the woodwork the most times ...I suggest calling the trophy,made of wood natch,'The Woodwork Shield'... And the top team that wins it would be named The Wooden Tops. Good old Arsene.

  31. Stuart

    Mar 03, 2016, 21:04 #85335

    "A rotting piece of fish, stinking the place out." A perfect way to describe him.

  32. Bard

    Mar 03, 2016, 20:47 #85334

    Colseyboysetc. You continually post about mbg. Is there something you'd like to share with us? We're broadminded on here. Be brave.

  33. Admin (Mike)

    Mar 03, 2016, 20:44 #85333

    OK Len, or Les, or Gooner Subscriber, I'll bite. MBG posts his views. He may post more than most and you may not agree with his views, but they are consistent and he never hides behind different names. I consider trolling to be saying something which is deliberately designed to provoke a reaction and/or posting under different aliases. You may have a different definition which is fine, but that's how this site is administered at the moment. Personally, I prefer balance and debate because it's more interesting and given I have to read (or at least glance at) every comment that makes for a more enjoyable experience for me. As for the use of the word "senile", I've searched the last 15,000 posts and only three contained it - two were yours and the other was by a person describing themselves as it. As the rules state, if you have a problem with a particular comment, please email us and we will look at it. Although I try to read every comment, it's often done in between other tasks and they are therefore sometimes read at speed or on the move which means errors will be made. I certainly wouldn't claim to be infallible and have removed comments as a result of emails received on plenty of occasions in the past. If that makes me "crooked, inconsistent and so very bent" in your eyes, then so be it. I apologise. More than happy to engage by email if you wish.

    P.S. I've just checked and MBG has had more than 20 of his posts removed in the last month.

  34. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 03, 2016, 20:05 #85332

    jeff wright aka Milan. You've been rumbled. Well said Len, it is about time the Muguiresbridge was held accountable, but don't expect any change on here. He is their, there, they're, biggest contributor, I wonder why that is? That, you couldn't make up.

  35. Bard

    Mar 03, 2016, 20:05 #85331

    We are missing the point here. We have Everton, WH and City away. It will be a right battle for 4th spot forget the title.

  36. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 19:41 #85330

    We've heard of chicken licken, goose loose, turkey lurkey, wasn't there a hen Len too. It's not right laughing. wenger out.

  37. CORNISH GOONER

    Mar 03, 2016, 19:38 #85329

    Oh jeez, isn't this a nightmare? Sports history repeatedly show us that former "Greats" never come back to repeat former glories. Arthur W, with the best will in the world, was always a very flawed manager (& a lucky one). Now we have a directionless Club, managed by an egomaniac, going nowhere. I think the man is either mentally ill or in the early stages of dementia. Someone like Oliver James would have a field day psycho-analysing him. How sad to leave, inevitably, with a very tarnished reputation - & he has to be told harshly otherwise he just won't "get it" & will zink we are "aving zee leetl joke with heem.

  38. Len

    Mar 03, 2016, 19:23 #85328

    @Post 90196 @Post No. 89941 Admin (Mike) - Why have YOU not yet realised that mbg is the biggest wind-up merchant of them all on here? He posts day in, day out to such an excessive trolling extent and yet you don't delete his posts. (Mental illness comment removed to satisfy an Administrator who allows comments claiming the Arsenal manager is senile - that's a mental illness, by the way) Answer on a public forum why you are so crooked, inconsistent and so very bent so as to allow mbg who trolls on a daily basis (your 'evidence' is on every article and daily) to continue posting without deletion. You've got about as much backbone as the Arsenal team.

  39. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 19:21 #85327

    Torbay gooner, a sad state of affairs isn't it mate ? we're now hoping to beat our rivals (and yes they are our rivals now, thanks to wenger) in order to stop them finishing above us AND win the league, and in doing so also helping another club win it. Wenger you have a hell of a lot to answer for you old fraud, you'll never be forgiven. wenger out.

  40. 1999 Gooner

    Mar 03, 2016, 19:14 #85326

    I have been a Gooner since I immigrated from NZ in 1999. I was not long off the plane when the question was put to me "what team are you going to support?" My answer was who does Dennis Berghamp play for? For some one brought up in a rugby mad country with a disdain for soccer Dennis's goal against Argentina in 98. Won me over. I was soon sharing a season ticket with a colleague at Highbury which was absolutely magic. I **** you not the hairs on the back of my neck used to stand up on end in anticipation on the walk to the ground. I did 2 seasons at Ashburton Grove before I gave it away. All my heroes Keown, Lauren, Viera, Parlour and the rest made way for players that would have been bullied and walked over by that team. In my rugby playing days the half time team talk was walk off the field and you haven't tried hard enough. Crawl off and you have got no guts. All I want is to see a team leave everything on field. Win or lose.

  41. Ron

    Mar 03, 2016, 18:42 #85324

    Westie - i detect that youre a very nice man and a gentleman, but forgive me for saying that i really wouldn't want to have to rely upon you as my superior officer or more latterly to manage my humble business. We d be over ran in seconds. Arsenal under Wenger have been screwed for years and hes lacked the will or the ability to lift his teams or the Club for a decade. Only the deliberately blind and ignorant havent accepted it. If by some quirk of fate they win the title it ll not only be the most unpopular title win in PL history among football fans everywhere, but also a win thats been won by default only by dint of the abdication from making a challenge of those Clubs most able, big enough and strong enough to have done so. In short, a very devalued title win. More importantly, it ll likely as much passport him to an towards a much extended contract and as such plunge the Club into another 5-6 years of this purgatory. Wake up for heavens sake Westie.

  42. JackL

    Mar 03, 2016, 18:35 #85323

    My comment on last night's game is....see my comment after Sunday's game (and lots of others)...and repeat....

  43. Bojangles

    Mar 03, 2016, 18:34 #85322

    The microphones crackled as Bonobo the Magnificent addressed the Wobbite slaves. "I the Imperial Magnificent promise you fourth! For Amos the Prophet with his Golden Abacus has calculated that we will finish in the top 4. Rejoice oh rejoice! for soon we shall have our own land of milk and honey, a land of 500,000 acres in a far away country for we are mighty and you Wobbites shall bow to us!" But as Bonobo finished with a flourish a disquieting noise could be heard, was it the sound of booing? "Bonobo out, Bonobo out! , sack the losing bastard! Down with Bonobo! The noise from the crowd grew.. Bonobo looked desperately at his Imperial guards. "Punish them! Punish them! Spare them no mercy . Inflict the half man half Ape Colesey upon them!" But Bonobo's words were drowned out by the gathering chants of the Wobbites. To be continued....

  44. Torbay gooner

    Mar 03, 2016, 18:11 #85321

    Obvious to say but if we carry on last this for the rest of the season we are unlikely to finish top 4 and if that is what it takes for the manager to finally depart, then so be it. However, if we win only one more 'big' game this season then please let it be on Saturday! We can at least do Leicester a favour, even if has no bearing on our 'title' ambitions(lol).

  45. Hiccup

    Mar 03, 2016, 18:09 #85320

    In respect of their dwindling numbers, today has been designated as 'National Laugh at an AKB Day'. Westie, thanks for playing your customary role of providing more laughs. I placed an accumulator bet that you would post before midday, mention Mike Dean and say Swansea were lucky. Cast iron certainties. I'll be honest though, I'm struggling to fathom when your chums coldsore and baddie will return with their input for us all to laugh at? Any odds available?

  46. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 18:01 #85319

    Nutty's Right Peg, and no doubt it was believed, (by some anyway) And you couldn't make that up either.

  47. Mason Bison

    Mar 03, 2016, 17:44 #85318

    Westlower, what odds can you give me on us not celebrating St Totteringham's Day this year?

  48. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 17:21 #85317

    Sung to the tune of the Hymnn, Stand up Stand up for Jesus. Stand up Stand up for Arsenal WOB Soldiers for the cause, Stand up Stand up for Arsenal she must not suffer lose, from Victory onto Victory WOB army we shall lead Stand up Stand up for Arsenal our History Heritage and our badge, Stand up Stand up for Arsenal WOB soldiers for it is a worthy cause to get rid of a past it manager who's nothing but a fraud. We want wenger out we want wenger out.

  49. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 03, 2016, 17:00 #85315

    Er, Jamee son. You can look at games like Arsenal vs Swansea with "unbiased eyes" because you're a known Chelski fan. The rest of us have biased eyes because we're Arsenal fans. Do you understand that or would you like me to break it down a bit more because I know basic logic isn't your strong point. Closer to home, I bet you're wetting yourself that Guus Hiddink might actually get you into the CL this year.

  50. Block 07 row 18

    Mar 03, 2016, 16:35 #85314

    WENGER suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder ...

  51. jjetplane

    Mar 03, 2016, 16:19 #85313

    Bet Jamerson has got a wig like his hero Trumpy.

  52. Anna-Louise

    Mar 03, 2016, 16:19 #85312

    Ever get the feeling you're being unwittingly subjected to some kind of psychological, social behaviour, mind control type experiment? Look at the players. They're not tired, they're demotivated, almost as if they've been told they can't, as in, not allowed, to win the league. Nothing about the way the board and the manager run this club and do business makes any sense at all! Just look at the long list of world class players who we were supposedly interested in, Ronaldo, Hazard, Suarez, to name but a few, who, if you believe all the reports, would apparently have come to Arsenal if only we had offered a little more money for them, players who's values have sky rocketed since. Had we spent those few extra millions to bring them in when we had the chance, we might have won more trophies and then made massive profits from their subsequent sales on top. Over the last 10 years EVERY single pundit has pointed out the deficiencies in our squad and the teams' mentality etc etc but NOTHING changes. We fans are also constantly told what a charming, intelligent, knowledgeable and articulate man Arsene Wenger is, a man who apparently HATES losing. Don't you think that despite his perceived or presumed stubbornness, an intelligent man that apparently hates losing so much, would do all he could to win? Particularly when you factor in all the abuse he's been subjected to over the years? Surely a man so apparently intelligent and knowledgeable, can't be so arrogant as to think ALL the pundits and most of the fans are stupid and don't know what they are talking about? How can a man who was so driven and successful during his first ten years at the club, a man who assembled the invincibles, a team full of strong characters with desire and a winning mentality, all of a sudden become so satisfied with a 'fourth place trophy' every season? IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! Then there's Stan. A multi billionaire in his own right. Do you think he made such a huge personal fortune by being stupid? By accepting anything less than 100% effort and commitment from all his employees? Billionaires are ruthless business people who don't accept second best in anything! Then there's the constant lies, the contradictions, the misinformation, the lack of transparency, year after year after year after year . . . . I'm afraid it's obvious. Behind closed doors the board are following a completely different agenda to the one they portray to the fans and the media. Eventually our best players realise this and decide to leave because they find themselves caught between their loyalty to Arsene and the fans and their honour and integrity as professional football players who want to win. And have you noticed how we ALWAYS allow them to leave? Even selling our most prolific goal scorer to our most bitter rivals, making it even more difficult for us to win anything. What on earth was that all about? I'm just relieved to have seen the light and found the strength of character not to contribute anymore to this unfathomable nonsense.

  53. Jamerson

    Mar 03, 2016, 16:03 #85311

    The WOR seem incapable of any proper discussion apart from the usual Wenger and AKB name calling.They really are the biggest bunch of dumb ass, sofa sitting,spud loving, gay talking losers you'd ever care to meet.Try looking at the games with unbiased eyes,you may learn something.

  54. Bard

    Mar 03, 2016, 15:51 #85309

    Shaymouse does that mean we have won the league ?

  55. Jerome

    Mar 03, 2016, 15:42 #85308

    Did anyone see Rita Ora topless on the front cover of that mag recently, I bet she is a dirty slag in bed!

  56. Les

    Mar 03, 2016, 15:41 #85307

    @Post No. 90196 @Post No. 89941 Admin (Mike) - Why have YOU not yet realised that mbg is the biggest wind-up merchant of them all on here? He posts day in, day out to such an excessive extent and yet you don't delete his posts. (Mental illness comment withdrawn from a hypocritical site on which the Arsenal manager is accused of being senile - that's a mental illness by the way) For evidence of mgb's trolling tendencies, look at his posts day in, day out. Why e-mail the concerns only for them to be ignored? Let's have it out in public, unless you're as spineless as the current Arsenal side.

  57. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 03, 2016, 15:28 #85305

    Shaymouse, how does the timing of Arsenal's bad runs factor into your stats? When did results start to drop off? After beating Man C at home. Ask yourself why? And the fact that Man U, Man C and Chelsea are worse this season doesn't make it 'okay' that Arsenal have more or less stood still. Quite the opposite, their decline has provided an unprecedented opportunity. Ask yourself why isn't it been taken? The answer to both question is the same. They cannot handle the pressure of expectation. The reasons for that are obvious and being spelled out all around you. But then all you've done is paste in an article from Untold Arsenal, who have a banner of Wenger with 'Football Should Be An Art' up at the Emirates, so the blinkers will be on and the hands over the ears.

  58. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 03, 2016, 15:27 #85304

    What some readers on here may not know is the identity of the people in the photo above. Holding the sign is Coleslaw-muncherboy (his mum made the sign, natch...), while the avuncular Badarse looks on proudly on his left wearing his hoodie. Westie (who returned last night to see a live gane for the first time in 70 years) is the stormin-norman spectacle wearer looking his cerebral best while only half of lee kfc's head appears (because he doesn't have the other half any more). How times have changed!

  59. Gaz

    Mar 03, 2016, 15:12 #85303

    Quite frankly the thought of giving Wenger any more money to spend or another summer to preside over fills me with absolute dread. Actually I can't quite get my head around the fact that some fans still think he should get another chance to do both...

  60. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 15:01 #85302

    Shaymouse, and your point is ? your name says it all. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  61. Bob

    Mar 03, 2016, 14:42 #85300

    When he leaves I won't say "thanks for all you have done". I will say "good riddance you selfish old has-been". He can only be hanging on to the last possible moment of his contract for the money, not because he thinks it is right for the club. There are people outraged because Sunderland paid Adam Johnson £3million but whatever his moral compass off the football field he did at least carry on playing to the standard expected, so far as I am aware, right up until he was sacked. This French charleton has, on the other hand, milked many many millions of pounds off our Club through living off his past glorious over the past 5 years or more. Enough - NOW.

  62. jeff wright

    Mar 03, 2016, 14:38 #85298

    Shaymouse, those figures that you quote are all well and good but as the ones I posted earlier show Chelsea are doing better since GH took over and as we can see the Mourinho factor had impacted on their results and performances.City have always been inconsistent whoever managed them and Liverpool have not been a proper top 4 side for donkey's years .United suffered from Ferguson retiring but are now closing the gap on us again ,despite being nothing special. Leicster are having a probably one off freak puching above their weight and it remains to be seen how much improvement the spuds have made. Wenger however continues to just tread water and failed to grasp the opportunity in the way that Ferguson and Mourinho did in recent times to seize the imitative in the league .And as your figures show in fact we have gone backwards under him .

  63. CB

    Mar 03, 2016, 14:35 #85297

    Shaymouse, statistics are wonderful and can be presented in a myriad of ways to support an agenda. We all know the real reasons that the other `big`teams aren't doing well this season, Chelsea players basically went on strike against Mourinho, Manure still finding their feet after the end of the Fergie era, Liverpool changed managers and Man City with a dead man walking as manager. Whereas Arsenal and Wenger have been building for years, stable environment, plenty of money to buy players if they wish. But still find themselves behind a team that cost half an Ozil. There are NO excuses.

  64. Jamerson

    Mar 03, 2016, 14:34 #85296

    Stop all this complaining you're an embarrassment to true Arsenal supporters,no wonder other teams fans are always taking the piss out the dopey WOR fanboys who jump on and off the wagon when it suits them.If it's all going well they want tickets,if things are going not so well they all start crying like babies and want the other team to win and the manager sacked.Diddums losers grow a pair and a backbone and you might gain some respect.This is not a wind up either,it's how I truly feel..The guy holding up the sign looks like some chav with no sense of humour.

  65. Man United Killer

    Mar 03, 2016, 14:26 #85295

    Note** this is a copied comment from the past 4 seasons."No surprises here.We are merely going through the seasonal routine.Fall out of all competitions, win nothing except the 4th place trophy, fail to strengthen the team, Give Wenger a new contract and press replay." been saying this same thing for 4 years. All I had to do was copy and paste.Roll on next season!Lets do this again.

  66. AJH

    Mar 03, 2016, 14:24 #85293

    No bad luck involved when your so called centre forward finds it easier to hit the crossbar from 4 yards out than actually score a bloody goal ! AW won't quit and we will be lucky if he quits after this season DREADING Saturday

  67. Shaymouse

    Mar 03, 2016, 14:22 #85292

    oday I saw an Arsenal supporter saying this: “Arsenal after 28 games this season – 51pts Arsenal after 28 games last season – 54pts Arsenal after 28 games two seasons ago – 59pts..even with a better team..thats how we do..thats the progress we made..” Now this supporter will still have been full of disappointment after yesterday’s result. Of course we all are disappointed. Only those with an agenda will feel great as it gives them some more time to shout abuse and ask for all and everyone to be sacked immediately. The told you so that we all like to use from time to time. Now of course the numbers this supporter quoted are correct. No argument from my part. But and this is where Untold comes in to it… it is all well and good to compare our numbers over different seasons but even without looking at things I know that the PL this season is completely different from to other seasons. So I thought it would be nice not just to compare the points for Arsenal but let us throw in the points of all the teams that were in the PL this and last season. And if we do this we get the following table. The order is based on the final table of last season. 2014 – 2015 2015 – 2016 + / – 1 Chelsea 64 39 -25 2 Man C 58 47 -11 3 Arsenal 54 51 -3 4 MU 53 47 -6 5 Liverpool 51 41 -10 6 Tottenham 50 54 4 7 Southampton 49 40 -9 8 Stoke 42 42 0 9 Swansea 40 30 -10 10 West Ham 39 46 7 11 Newcastle 35 24 -11 12 Crystal Palace 30 33 3 13 WBA 30 36 6 14 Everton 28 38 10 15 16 Sunderland 26 24 -2 17 Aston Villa 25 16 -9 18 19 20 Leicester 19 57 38 And the first observation I want to make that all the teams who finished in the top 5 last season have fewer points after 28 matches compared to last season. The biggest losers are the team that won it last season. Chelsea has 25 points less than last season. They didn’t really go forward despite having the best coach in the world (according to himself anyway) and despite having kept their team and added some more players. Manchester City. Spending money as always and like never before… but the numbers say that they have 11 points fewer than at this stage last season. Manchester United also spend lots of money once again. But in the end… they now have 6 points less than last season. Liverpool sold a big player but also spent money like they do each year. And the result… 10 points less. Despite having changed manager during the season. So in fact Arsenal only losing 3 points compared to last season… looks rather fine if you compare this with the big spenders. The only team that finished in the top 6 last season that has done better is Tottenham. They have 4 points more this season. I come to Leicester now. Last season they only had 19 points and now they have 57 points. That is 38 points better! But it is also a fact that Leicester now after 28 matches have 7 points less than Chelsea had last season. The conclusion is simple I think. The smaller teams have improved a lot this season. Certainly the newly promoted teams have done much better than expected. Bournemouth is the lowest placed promoted team and they are in 15th place and look reasonably save to stay in the PL this season. But by this improvement of the smaller teams we see that each match is more difficult to win. And this results in less points for the top teams. I don’t know which team will win it in May but I do think that it will be with the lowest number of points for a very long time. Is this because football in the PL is dropping in level? I think it might be the opposite. The level of the lower teams is rising and the top teams are more or less standing still. Or going backwards even. Now one might argue that Arsenal and Wenger would have done better to spend the war chest last summer but then again….the teams that did spend loads of money have gone back more than us. And the team that kept their team more or less intact and only added a few more or less unknown players is the team that has improved beyond everyone’s expectation. So maybe the answer could be for Wenger to buy more young and unknown players again? As that seems to be a better solution than the one offered by the money spenders.

  68. Peter

    Mar 03, 2016, 14:22 #85291

    This is more than just a run of bad results under a clapped out manager, this is the ever-deepening decline of a once formidable club. It is the same every year we do not put out our top 11 because they are always injured. There is something totally wrong on the training pitches and behind the scenes. Every year there is one player out for all the season. This year it is Jack, over the past years it has been Cesc, Van Persie and others. Also his subsitutions have beentotally wrong taking off the wrong players. Who would want to manage this team at the present time.

  69. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 14:03 #85290

    Nick, good post, Pride ? not a chance mate, these players have no pride left (if they had any in the first place)if they had it's been drained out of them by an arrogant past it manager, they'll turn up at the lane looking good but a bunch of nerves craping themselves with a clueless manager in tow.

  70. Dan h

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:35 #85289

    Well we didn't play to the whistle on the equalizer school boy defending and not bad luck when Giroud hit the bar when easier to score.Another night of missed chances so the title of the article very apt.OGL will no doubt stay at least another year as 'has never broken a contract'at around 8m a year why would he?The manager once revered but lost me and many years ago.The quote that gets forgotten among many AW gems.'If you offered me second place for the next twenty years I would happily sign up'.Kind of sums up the mentality of the club doesn't it?

  71. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:31 #85288

    Do you hear that guys ? We've gone off the boil, and open to set backs, don't laugh it's disrespectful. You really couldn't make it up.

  72. jeff wright

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:29 #85287

    We have played 9 games in 2016 in the league : W3 .D3. L3. P.12. Chelsea: W.5.D.4.L.0 P.19. The spuds are second best with .W6.D.1.L.2.P.19. Leicester are third best W.5.D.3.L.1 P.18 Our current form is not title winning class and our remaining games away look even tougher now than they did two weeks ago. Also home ones against West Brum ( Pullis loves annoying Wenger ) and Watford also look tricky. Wenger had better start getting things sorted because City and United ate not far behind us and both are looking for a top 4 spot. The game om Saturday at the lane of shame ,well the spuds going 50 years without winning a league title is a shame, could not have come at a worse time for us - or at a better one for Tottenham .If we can't win then we need to ensure that we don't lose . The omens on that not occurring however look bleak to say the least. Wenger looks like a cornered rat these days blustering away about speerit and confidence,leaders all over the pitch... you have to laugh ... the usual suspects such as Ramsey and Wally have gone rather quiet though and it looks like those wild celebs following on the rather fortuitous win over Leicester with a lap of honor and changing room mad cap antics posted on the social media signaled -job done.And there was still 12 games left to play! You couldn't make it up.

  73. ATID

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:29 #85286

    It is pretty depressing and if AW stays as our manager much longer we will end up with a generation of fans on Fluoxetine.

  74. Nutty's Right Peg

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:25 #85285

    Lee - I recall Gazidis stating one pre-season, how Wenger & the squad were, "laser-focused" You couldn't make it up.

  75. Les

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:25 #85284

    Why is the Admin on here so bent, crooked and corrupt? Jumped-up little Hitlers with no balls between them. Perfect for Arsenal Football Club. Kevin Witcher hang your bald head in shame. Mike Francis- take that rubber mask off.

  76. Comic Book Guy

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:22 #85283

    Worst. Bottlers. Ever. And the 'Manager' is not fit to even touch GG's utility belt.

  77. Lee

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:19 #85282

    Anyone remember ivan 'the terrible' gazidis stating "ULTIMATELY ARSENE IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE FANS" back at an end of season failure fan meeting, well as a lifelong passionate gooner and season ticket holder for 20 years now I DO NOT WANT WENGER AS MANAGER OF OUR ARSENAL ANYMORE! I am sick of the constant mediocrity, the constant yarn we are spun year after year! So whos with me? what do we do next because he is draining all the soul and passion from me and that isnt right!

  78. Alsace

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:16 #85281

    Campbell's Goal Brilliant. Did we sit back and protect it ? No. It's the same old train wreck but worse, because the team's confidence is being rapidly destroyed. Kevin is right.I was shouting at Wenger that he was finished, but no one else was joining me. The crowd has no effective institutional memory of what Arsenal actually means. It's like the invasion of the body snatchers. Graeme Souness is more distressed about what Arsenal has become than Arsenal fans are.

  79. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:15 #85280

    Tony Evans, I agree, and mine too, Arsenal and TOF winning the prem would be the worst thing that could happen to our club at this moment and time it really would, and we all know why. wenger out.

  80. Nutty's Right Peg

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:15 #85279

    billthered - fully get your point,I renew every year but someone else currently has the seat each season, I'll only reclaim once the old insulting, money grabbing,incompetent fools running our once great club have gone.I watched last night on live streaming & the booing when Joel was subbed was evident of the crowd's frustration. I cannot bring myself to get worked up at the continual refusal of most of our players to "grow a pair" though tend to agree with some on here who feel missing out on the old 4th place trophy might just be what's required now for the seeds of Wenger's departure to truly gather momentum.

  81. Gooner Subscribe

    Mar 03, 2016, 13:15 #85278

    @Post No. 89941 Admin (Mike) - Why have YOU not yet realised that mbg is the biggest wind-up merchant of them all on here? He posts day in, day out to such an excessive extent which show signs he is afflicted by mental illness and yet you don't delete his posts. (Reposted after being deleted seven times for no justifiable reason)

  82. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:59 #85277

    A lot of fans are saying the NLD on Saturday is the defining moment, how, why ? if we get lucky and win will that make everything alright ? will everything else be forgotten (again) and we'll change our minds ? He should be long gone as it is so no the NLD makes no difference nothing can (or should be allowed) to save him it's long past that now he has to go regardless, a win might just give him an opportunity to go out with just that, a win, (even though he doesn't deserve it) he's a dead man walking regardless of the NLD result he has to go. wenger out now.

  83. Goodmayes Gooner

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:58 #85276

    You could hear a pin drop when the teams came out last night such is the expectation and excitement generated by our “title challenges” these days, as the number of good/watchable PL performances can be counted on one hand this season, and the season before, and the season before. Liverpool have YNWA, West Ham have bubbles, so not sure why The Wonder Of You was dropped, as it was better than nothing, and certainly generates a better pre match atmosphere than a stale repeated viewing of our previous achievements, which is rarely updated or changed. Unfortunately the club doesn’t do change otherwise we would have had a different manager in 2008

  84. AMG

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:57 #85275

    Good job we didn't stump up for Higuaín, he's been crap this season...

  85. Mo

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:57 #85274

    100% agree with your piece - the time has finally come we should all stand up for what's right, and that is for the man to finally Go! This is Arsenal FC and not Arsene and we cannot continue the humiliation of our beloved club. Get him out, together stand

  86. billthered

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:56 #85273

    Three seasons ago my son and myself reluctantly gave up our season tickets because the club was not run in what I call the proper manner ie selling our best players to our rivals and helping them win titles while we in our lovely new stadium regressed whilst what we were told our new home was to compete with our rivals. Total bulls##t. OGL is on 8 million a year while yankee doodle dandy nicks 3 million for advice, on what I do not know its hardly football matters is it. I have been going since 1961 have never seen a bunch of players so lacking in care for our club and suggest to all and sundry to do what my son and I did. I know it is a wrench and do not think I did this gladly and am only too pleased sometimes that I was not there, like last night to watch abject failure. What I actually think is they are not worried one bit about my support for all those years cause I'm sure they sell my ticket to an overseas person (not fan) who will spend big in the clubs superstore adding to yankees overloaded bank account. I love Arsenal much more than you can imagine and it still hurts like mad to me but I wish it would hurt those that run OUR CLUB.

  87. Robb1971

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:55 #85272

    We are only four points ahead of Man City and ManU, and Man City have a game in hand. Good chance we will finnish 5th, no Champ League......even that may not be enough to see the end of Wegner.......

  88. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:46 #85271

    Gooner Subscriber, the posting of sincerely held views, no matter how repetitively, is neither winding up nor trolling. I hope that's cleared that up for you. On the other hand, I think of a few of us can work out who you really are...

  89. Neil

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:44 #85270

    People near me were chanting **** off Wenger at the end. Not heard that before. Needs more of us to join in.

  90. Highbury Boy

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:42 #85268

    Yes Stan the Man I too supported the players when for example Coquelin made a good tackle and I couldn't help but groan when they misplaced passes or stood still for Swansea's first goal. Then when I took out my frustration by booing Wenger for his pre-arranged substitution of taking off Campbell who was at least trying the guy near me told me to shut up and support the team. An argument about Wenger ensued. At the end I admit I booed the team off and swore at Wenger but no-one else around me did. There was as usual just an acceptance of another defeat and of course pleasure at defeats for Spurs and City. As Kevin has said there were loads of empty seats but while the season tickets get sold and the waiting list continues the PR Department will talk of war chests and possible transfers and next season. Always next season. 2 or 3 "wild card" entries to the CL Group stage wouldn't go amiss to PL clubs who have had high average PL places in the previous 10 years but through a series of unfortunate events would miss out on a place. This should satisfy Manu Liverpool City Chelsea and ourselves and stop the threat of a breakaway. You can't have riff raff like Leicester Spurs and West Ham in the CL. Getting back to our manager we fans have to get together in an orchestrated campaign if we want rid. The crowd at the Emirates during the Wenger era is completely different from the one I remember at Highbury during the last days of Billy Wright. Blogs and journalists are not going to remove him. He has a contract and he will not walk away. Only Silent Stan can do anything and that will only happen if the strong financial position is threatened. By the way although it has been reported that cash is down to £159m it is forecast to rise to around £250m by the end of May. More cash than any other club in the world.

  91. Admin

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:40 #85267

    If people want to complain about individual posters and how they are handled then by all means email us your concerns, along with any evidence you may have to back-up your views. Accusing them of having an mental illness on a public forum is going to result in your posts being removed no matter how many times you post it.

  92. Gaz

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:39 #85266

    King Jeremy: wow that's a scarily accurate summary of what'll happen fella...

  93. Paulo75

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:37 #85265

    The malaise set in a long time ago. 11 years later and Patrick Vieira still has not been replaced - no power, steel and leadership in the centre of the pitch since 2005. A Manager who creates a comfortable environment for his underachieving player. That the likes of Rosicky, Wilshere, Arteta and Flamini are still at the club is testament to his inability to be ruthless as required. Until now I've tried not to be disrespectful to the Manager but I'm afraid Stan and Arsene your time has well and truly come. The capability and ambition to win trophies isn't at the level required for Arsenal. Fourth place and knocked out at CL 2nd round isn't getting any of the support excited. Time to move on....

  94. Spike

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:34 #85264

    Last year we saw a similar run of horrible form turn a certain second place into third (just). why should anybody be surprised that with no improvement to the managerial or playing staff other than a slightly better keeper, exactly the same scenario is being played out again. Whatever the squad, we always seem to spend this time of year watching strikers who cannot score, defenders who cannot defend and midfielders with no ability to control a midfield. Worst of all is watching talent like Sanchez and Arshavin go backwards and losing what they had when they arrived. It used to be maddening but as Kevin says, I am so used to it now that I have trained myself to switch off and not let it depress me any more. Hiddink is going to be surplus to requirements at Stamford Bridge shortly and from what I have seen in recent weeks, AFC could do a lot worse than him if they finally decide to go for a change.

  95. jjetplane

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:32 #85263

    GOOnErrOn a very brave, concise post from you. It cannot be easy continuing your support and even I was shocked by last night's result. It appeared to be 3 points in the bag before the game but I reckon you yourself are seriously wondering now how such a club with such riches can be so insipid when the going gets tough. For any great side the going is tough every week and that is why they win so many games and their managers are paid handsomely to help ensure that. I am of a opinion that Wenger likes to think of himself as a football man in the Fergie mode. Unfortunately he has now of that true born passion for the game. He does not appear confident enough in the football world and his insecurities have trickled through the infrastructure over the last decade. He was held up admirably by the likes of Adams et al and I seriously think that there is as much bemusement as there is respect for him from those players. The media as one have been having a laugh at Wenger's expense for years and such satire is now a toxic aligned indelibly with the name of Arsenal. Would be suprised if the Spuds lose on Saturday as they must be feeling the pain after last night. West Ham are going to be a big fixture from hereon in the PL and perhaps Everton with Martinez could also be a new contender for top four. Not ruling out Stoke and a few others we are all familiar with and you see a seemingly directionless Arsenal treading water while the river rushes by. The talk above of the Asine effect is a good one. It's a decade old virus and it will take some shifting. Good luck RONGOONeR whichever it falls and as for the likes of WeSTIE - sorry mate - you can chunter all you like but you don't go so you are not the real deal. Have been to a lot of games in my life and slagging off a team and manager is part and parcel of a supporter's life. In order to support the present Arsene FC model you need to be wearing protective clothing when you enter. Perhaps The Armoury are already on it ... Did I mention Stoke and how about Bournemouth - they beat the Saints!

  96. David

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:29 #85262

    As long as Arsenal finish in the top 4, Wenger will be there next year, because the numbers will still add up. Lucky hamsters; they can hibernate through the crap they don't need to be awake for.

  97. Gaz

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:27 #85261

    If we had a proper 'footballing' board in place I'm certain there would be pressure being heaped upon the manager to win the PL or be fired. After all there'll never be a PL season like this and with the players we have and the demise this season of our main rivals we should not only be winning this league but we should be pis*ing it. Fact is we have a complete wan*er in charge and he'll only ever support Wenger and offer him another new deal. Arsene Wenger is a footballing man though and if had a shred of decency about him he should offer his resignation and if they turn it down (which no doubt they would) he should insist on them accepting it because in the long run its in the best interests of a Club he's supposed to love. Unfortunately none of this will happen. These are now extraordinary times for all Arsenal supporters and surely the moment has come for publications like the Gooner to pin their colours to the mast and actively call for the removal of the manager. He simply won't go on his own accord and we all know this. The danger is whatever happens this season the summer will see everyone backing away from all of this and a softer line will be made offering him yet another chance to go through the summer with cries of 'we have to back him' and 'lets give him one more season'. This can't be allowed to happen anymore and it's the responsibility of all Arsenal fans now to make sure its not allowed to happen again...

  98. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:27 #85260

    Mr whites of the eyes and Mr Rose where you watching last night ? whites of their eyes, Show you want it Arsenal make it yours, it sounded stupid at the time even more so now. You couldn't make it up. wenger out now.

  99. George Gunner

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:26 #85259

    SOA Same old Arsenal. Since 2008,when Gallas sat crestfallen it has been a reular feature of Arsenal collapsing when the pressure gets to them. This is unacceptable and most if not all fans have lost faith in Wenger.If he is smart,he will quit before he is axed.

  100. Joe S.

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:15 #85258

    I've only read the title of this piece so far, but would just like to ask, Has AKB now become a redundent term?

  101. Stan the Man

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:10 #85257

    The tide is certainly turning, but I fear Kevin is right that Wenger will still be in charge next season. There are not enough fans in the ground who want to force change. We need the Arsenal Action Group (they who ensured Terry Neill was ousted in the 80s) to reform. I was there last night and I shouted and screamed to support the team, but I also shouted and screamed my frustration at Wenger as the game wore on and it became evident what the outcome was going to be. There were others around me doing the same. However, in the next block to me (block 3) someone stood up, turned round and started abusing one individual for their views on Wenger. It threatened to turn nasty and I gather this wasn't the only incident of it's kind in the ground. There was also someone ejected who marched down to give Wenger a piece of his mind. This is what we're up against. There are too many who are frustrated with the status quo, but are not angry enough to do anything about it and take exception to those who do. Welcome to the modern game.

  102. GoonerGoal!

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:09 #85256

    A song for all the Wenger apologists who have defended and supported him for the past 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10? years... "And now your gonna believe us, and now your gonna believe us, and now your gonna believe us... your WENGER HAS TO GO!" AKB's you can no longer dispute it, your eyes no longer deceive you, Wenger has blighted every aspect of OUR football club... KROENKE/GAZIDIS/WENGER OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  103. GoonerPat

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:09 #85255

    I don't mind not winning the league (just frustrating) and have been happy with the fa cups recently. Like most gooners we'd still support them if they were out of the football league, but its just the continual lack of passion/fight/leadership that's riles me. Wenger just cant get them up for big/important games and its embarrassing! you wouldn't mind if they lost if they had a proper go but I watch Ozil walk/jog and Walcott touch/lose the ball once in 20 mins and just wonder how they have the front to pick up their 150k a week. Campbell has grafted his tits off in every game he's played this season but Wenger would replace with Walcott/ox/ozil at the drop of a hat. We need more fighters and less luxury players I think Wenger should've gone after that disaster at Chelsea years ago, the one that was built up as a crunch game his 1000th in charge blah blah and then we got spanked like we all knew would happen deep down. Bellerin, Coq, Cech, Monreal, Campbell, Iwobi have been our stand out players this season for me. We're still in desperate need of a ruthless goalscorer though aint we. COYG - BEAT SPURS AND ALL IS FORGIVEN

  104. Gooner

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:08 #85254

    @Post No. 89941 Admin (Mike) - Why have YOU not yet realised that mbg is the biggest wind-up merchant of them all on here? He posts day in, day out to such an excessive extent which show signs he is afflicted by mental illness and yet you don't delete his posts. (Reposted after being deleted four times by the bent and crooked admin on here)

  105. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:07 #85253

    An excellent article Editor, yes if this man/manager (and I use the word manager very lightly indeed)had any decency had a decent bone in his body, any scruples whatsoever he's have tendered his resignation after the man u game (I know there's been others also over the years) but obviously he hasn't an ounce he's just an old past it arrogant excuse for a manager not fit for purpose who like you say is hanging around stinking the place out. Prove me wrong wenger and go now. wenger out.

  106. Peter Wain

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:06 #85252

    the transfer policy or lack of it last year has caused this. We buy too few players and the decent ones we have are run into the ground until they are injured. Look at Wiltshire the way he has been used is criminal. How Wenger can say he could not find better players than the ones he has is stupid. Time and time again we he makes the same mistakes and is bailed out by the owner. It is difficult to see where the next positive result is coming from Certainly not on Saturday that is for sure. And if we do by some miracle win then he continues until next year when we give him another 3 year contract.

  107. King Jeremy

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:05 #85251

    We all know how this season and subsequent the transfer window will pan out. After defeat at the Lane and in the replay at Hull, we will rally, putting maybe 3 wins in a row together. We will guarantee top 4 with a couple of games to spare making the game away at City a 3rd-place decider, which we will lose. A relegated Villa will roll over and a 4-0 win follows in the May sunshine, followed by the "lap of appreciation" as it seems to have become. Wenger waxes lyrical about how unfortunate we have been with injuries and how competitive the league is, and how we have the "speereet" to win the league next year. Rumours of signing Carvalho, Benezema, Gundogan, Hummels etc surface and quickly die away after the ST renewal deadline passes. Wenger waxes lyrical about this squad being top, top quality and how we will strengthen "where we need to". The Euros pass and £60m from City sees a disgruntled Ozil jumps ship, fans get spin from Gazidis about re-investment of funds. Wenger gives interview bemoaning financial doping, oil money and the TV money. Meanwhile City, ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea strengthen by mopping up the available talent. Wenger gives interview stating that the "top, top quality" that will "only improve what we already have" is "not available" and reminding us all that the return to the squad of Wilshere and Cazorla will be "like new signings", before boarding the 'plane for the preseason money spinning tour. 4th choice utility defender in the Chambers mould signed from League 2 in France. 3rd-rate opposition beaten easily in Emirates cup. The sheep all return in September, annnnnnd.........off we go again. Does anyone really now believe things will be much different to this? The manage has to go, and go now. The irony now is that money is not the issue in attracting new players, but rather there will be better options. The proposal will be "come to Arsenal". The response is likely to be "why?". A top player faced with the choice of working with Klopp, Guardiola, or whoever manages Utd and Chelsea next year or a has-been stubborn old fool well past his sell-by date has a simple choice really. The manager should have gone 4 years ago in the interest of maintaining progress. He has to go now, today, for the sake of avoiding this club slipping into mediocrity.

  108. Got no hair/we don't care

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:02 #85249

    I hope to do my Master's in marketing and franchising at Harvard and then Stan will shoo me in as global director of said marketing. I wish to thank my father Stephen and Mr Wenger and all the fans who have supported Arsenal during this difficult financial time. As someone so spiffingly puts it - YaGunnersYa!

  109. GoonerRon

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:00 #85248

    I actually thought the first 30 minutes or so was the most fluent we've looked in a while - yes it was Swansea who are fighting relegation - but we fared much better against them early on than say Spuds did at the weekend. I think the game turned massively when Joel was subbed off. He was easily our best player (although he looked incredibly laboured when tracking back so whilst I thought it was the wrong decision, I kind of understood why he was hooked) but with it we lost momentum and the unrest in the crowd gained energy. The fact is that the situation created by the manager (partly with last night's decisions/performance, partly ongoing issues) has created such a poisonous atmosphere that it's inhibiting the players. Home games are supposed to be advantageous to us but last night was a prime example of it working against us. I'm geniunely not blaming the supporters for being frustrated and venting it, but I do honestly believe with a less tense crowd we would have won last night. We've scored so many goals at home in the last 15 minutes of games against the so-called lesser teams because we build and build pressure and eventually break through. Last night the players didn't/couldn't build a head of steam because every time a pass went back or square (which sometimes has to happen), or a pass went astray (which sometimes it does when trying to pick the lock) the crowd went ballistic. It's fair to say we should have won and not much went our way, but Wenger just can't seem to get a tune out of the players and that, coupled with the atmosphere he and the team have generated at the ground made me come away last night thinking that Wenger's position is untenable.

  110. Rob

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:59 #85247

    What did Robin Van Persie, Cesc Fabregas, Samir Nasri have in common? They all had strong personalities and opinions. They questioned Our Great Leader and so were moved on. He now surrounds himself with players who won't rock the boat or cannot speak English.

  111. Nick

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:55 #85246

    Wenger had the temerity to SMILE while talking in the post match interview, his blase explanation of the subbing of Campbell was just sheer arrogance, we were NOT unlucky we finished poorly and defended even worse than that ! I'm hoping that pride will help us on Saturday, hoping that the players find some fighting spirit some damm GUTS,against manure at home apparently the PLAYERS decided a new approach was needed and for one half it worked superbly but after half time and a Wenger team " talk" no doubt we reverted to tip, tap, fluff , fluff and caution, we need a similar mutiny from the team at ****e fart lane, else we risk not just defeat but humiliation and the knowledge that we have given " THEM" a real shot at the title and ruined any hopes of a St Totteringhams day. Lets at least rise to the occasion and spoil their party while giving Leicester a helping hand, make no mistake that's all a nigh impossible result there will do, because unless and untill we rid ourselves of the Arsenite poisoning at our club we will NEVER win a league title !

  112. mbg

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:54 #85245

    Great photo to accompany your piece Ed, of course none of us is surprised not even his followers I bet, some of us have been saying it for years now (you know who you are now)and as always have been proved right. His failed philosophy spin and lies has caught up with him at last and still this old past it manager is trying to squirm out of it, well he's squirming on the end of a hook and should not, under any circumstances be let off. Wenger out now.

  113. In The Luton End When Caesar Fell

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:52 #85244

    Bertie and Gorgeous broke up their title teams too early as well. The difference being that neither of them were asked to hang around and guard Scrooge McDucks' gold coin swimming pool.

  114. brucegrove

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:51 #85243

    Did anyone else think it strange that Cech went forward to try to score (presumably with a HEADER) when he's confined to wearing a protective hat to withstand any impact on his head?

  115. Martyn

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:51 #85242

    I often wonder if there is any strategic planning going on behind the scenes at board level for Mr Wenger's eventual departure. We all know how secretive the club is rightly perceived but there's never a shred of insight as to the what lies beyond. Things are written and talked about endlessly but are we any closer to seeing the future? In the short term, like it or not, Wenger will continue even if we lose to Spurs on Saturday. In the medium term I can see him seeing out his current contract but in the long term I just don't know. Don't rule out another contract to take him into the next three seasons. It suits the board on the basis of 'don't do today what you can possibly put off until tomorrow'. The only thing I can see that would provoke serious change is falling out of top four in the league. Yes, we're back into the unofficial trophy scenario that has been the glue to hold everything in place for Wenger. This has made him untouchable. So for all of us who want to see change just look below where we are in the league and see the shoots of change potentially on the horizon. Finish fifth and he's gone. The problem is we want our team to win and to this end the irony is apparent; we will finish in the top four and much of the same awaits next season and beyond.

  116. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:50 #85241

    Jamerson - if that's a sincere comment then here's a sincere reply: What's embarrassing is how limited your comprehension of what's going on is. The bodily parts you mentioned are lacking on the pitch, but you're too weak and frightened to recognise it, so lash out at others who can.

  117. TJ

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:50 #85240

    Still some faint hope among select posters here that we can possibly win the title- well not for me! I predict we will lose a stormy match at the Lane 2-0 or at best 2-1 and to be honest, when you look at the teams behind us now, City, United and West Ham, maybe even Liverpool they could all overtake us! Such a shame the AKB sheep have propped up this dictator who is ruining our once-great club.

  118. Snowbiggee

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:46 #85239

    All evidence is that the Kroenke sports model doesn't require any succuss on the field. However,surely now their precious Arsenal brand is being hugely damaged by the ridicule, Wenger's nonsense bestows on the club.If nothing else that must be a reason for this inept board to act.

  119. Shu

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:44 #85238

    The fans will not turn against him ,they just won't. Like when the price of the seats went thro the roof , did we do a Liverpool ,no just meek acceptance ! It is the owners that need targeting but they are on the other side of the pond , out of reach. Nevermind we are good at Saturday lunchtime games arent we.

  120. chris dee

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:44 #85237

    It beggars belief that the same level of incompetence regarding game management,the character of the players brought in is now in it's tenth year. And add to that a breathtaking arrogance by not adapting your tactics depending on who we are playing and the insulting of the fans by repeating,and I quote ,we have' mental strength' 'we are up for the fight' every year. Petr Cech now fully understands why Chelsea have won with their eyes closed against us for so many seasons.They know how we are going to play and that when push comes to shove we lack courage and determination. The biggest crime? We have almost become indifferent to the results of our great club thanks to repeated collapses when the going get's a bit tough and rough.Shameful!

  121. Kenny

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:44 #85236

    Westlower-You should replace John Cross as Wenger's PR.There is no way that defeat was down to luck.It was an awful performance.If Wenger really loved he club like he says he does he would walk away.The reputation he built up in his first 8 years is already in tatters.Anymore years would destroy it completely.He should have gone after the 2009 CL semi final that was my final game at the Emirates it should have been Wengers

  122. Ony comment

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:42 #85235

    Nice, bringing in Bould's daughter; well done, illustrates your point in an intelligent and thought provoking way! I expected more from the Online Gooner but I stopped reading after that. Point your anger at the board who set the tone of 'good enough' for the club; at Kronke who is only interested in Arsenal as a cash-cow for his businesses in the US. If all Arsenal fans did that instead of taking cheap personal shots then there might be the possibility of change.

  123. Red Member

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:39 #85233

    NickF - Plenty around me in the stadium were saying it last night and I found it most refreshing. Best moment after the Swansea goal was the guy behind me and started shouting "he's gone, he gone in May, he's finished!" and not a murmur of dissent towards him...

  124. Jamerson

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:38 #85232

    Stop all this complaining you're an embarrassment to true Arsenal supporters,no wonder other teams fans are always taking the piss out the dopey WOR fanboys who jump on and off the wagon when it suits them.If it's all going well they want tickets,if things are going not so well they all start crying like babies and want the other team to win and the manager sacked.Diddums losers grow a pair and a backbone and you might gain some respect.This is not a wind up either,it's how I truly feel..

  125. Seven Kings Gooner

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:35 #85231

    I was going to make a comment but I have just read Westie and decided, what is the point. With fans keep talking about bad luck what hope have we, how far do you think we can drop before something gives - to Aston Villa status? However I do not blame Wenger, he gets a fortune each year and why should he resign, if the fans and the sponsors keep paying things will enevitably stay the same.

  126. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:29 #85229

    Westlower - I actually thought it may have reached the point where we'd see a more honest appraisal from you, but no, it's the classic bad luck, poor / bent refs, cheats and 'you don't know how lucky are'. Your refusal to recognise the endemic issues makes you look like you don't understand what you're watching, or at best, disingenuous.

  127. NickF

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:28 #85228

    There seems to be enough people that want Wenger out but no one seems to want to say it in the stadium. Bloke in front of me last night seemed more upset that the players didn't come over to wave! Fair play to the guy with the sign though.

  128. Westlower

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:16 #85227

    Until the strikers start converting their chances we remain open to setbacks. Swansea rode their luck and got away with a real smash & grab. It seems unbelievable that Alexis hasn't scored a PL goal since Oct 17th. His two efforts that struck the woodwork & Giroud's strike against the bar would in all probability opened up the floodgates but it's just not happening at present. A less honest player than Bellerin would have gone down for an easy penalty when Routledge went to ground. Watch how Vardy does it Hector. Cheats prosper in the PL. Yet again poor referring decisions going against us for both Swansea goals. Is this revenge for the Mike Dean petition? Due to defeats to TH & Citeh the league remains there to be claimed by any of the top 4. We are also in a position where we can drop out of the top 4 if we don't get off our losing run. A win at the Lane will put us back in the mix but a defeat will probably be all she wrote. What a stupid injury picked up by Cech, running back from an Arsenal corner. I remember Peter Schmeichel picking up a similar injury at Highbury. No GK should leave his own penalty area at any time. Sadly, it must be a new experience for the younger generations seeing AFC lose 3 games on the bounce. Some of us older farts are well used to such losing sequences.

  129. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:14 #85226

    The problem is us - the fans!! Nothing will change until we sort ourselves out and protest against Wenger and Kroenke INSIDE the ground DURING matches. We're being taken for fools and we've put up with it. Pathetic and I include myself in that.

  130. Chuks

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:13 #85225

    We are at a crossroads currently. The spring collapse akin to the Wehrmacht's winter collapse in WW2 is well and truly on. I feel sorry for Wenger arguably out best manager of the modern era who is now blinded by the twin demons of delusion and arrogance. This faltering squad is his and his alone. His composition. His monument. His creation. The amazing thing is that we are strangely in with a chance of winning the EPL.. Wenger has got to consider his position at the end of the season. We cannot go on like this. The Board need to stick or twist. No other big European club will tolerate threading water the way Arsenal has been doing for the past 10 yrs. Arsene has been a superb manager for Arsenal. However Arsenal has also been good to him. All good things come to an end and Arsenal need to lance this boil this summer...

  131. Wear Your Colours

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:11 #85224

    Kevin, I agree we have gone off the boil. We have two compounding issues at the moment: firstly our strikers are woefully off form and their confidence is at a very low ebb. Last night Alexis played a complete air-shot when attempting a half-volley whilst he was totally unmarked in the box; Giroud put his laces through a volley from around the penalty spot (again when totally unmarked) and smashed it against the crossbar; Walcott looked totally shorn of confidence just warming-up! Secondly the midfield duo of Ramsey and Coquelin (for all their positive attributes) lack the passing precision to open-up packed defences (we desperately miss Cazorla at the moment). The two problems compound themselves because as we fail to take our chances we afford our opponents the luxury of ‘parking the bus’ which creates the vicious circle of making our midfield less effective going forward and consequently we create fewer chances for our out of form strikers to score from. To break the cycle we need Giroud, Alexis and/or Theo to get some lucky deflection and bobble or bounce one over the line sooner rather than later. Hopefully we will find that fortune at the Lane on Saturday. There are still ten games to play in the League. Now is not the time to crucify the team or the players. Now is the time to get behind them and provide all the encouragement we can. COYG!

  132. Augustus Flair

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:10 #85223

    This is more than just a run of bad results under a clapped out manager, this is the ever-deepening decline of a once formidable club. The fraudulent old fool allegedly guiding the team must go now, along with the American owner who has only the most mercenary motives for staying involved. Yes, we had crap runs at Highbury but one of them, a cup defeat by Walsall, ended Terry Neill's reign after a mass protest in Avenell Road. I suggest we all ensure that happens again.

  133. It's up for grabs now

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:09 #85222

    I actually was surprised, as even I didn’t have our serial bottlers down for losing last night, but then again it is that time of year when Wenger’s Arsenal traditionally capitulates when a winning post is in sight! This particular season will surely go down as the very worst example of Wenger’s inept management, when the title has effectively being handed to him on a plate. Even in 2009, after the infamous draw at a ten man Birmingham, where Gallas had his meltdown after the game, was not as bad as this, because we were then after all still being chased by Man U, managed by that serial winner Fergie, whereas we then as now by that serial loser Wenger. This time around, from being favourites, after all the other big clubs gave us a free run at it, we might actually finish outside the top four, if results continue as they have been. That would be incompetence at a level never seen before, even beating our 2011 challenge, where we ended up somehow finishing fourth in a two horse race for the title! However this time around its Wenger’s shear contempt and arrogance towards us that I think will be his undoing, because surely its beginning to dawn even on the most die hard AKB that he views all of us as irrelevant irritants who have the bare faced cheek to question his methods and success, or rather the lack of it! Just look at his response after last nights defeat, when questioned about the toxic atmosphere inside the stadium, dismissing those who dared to question his right to remain in charge of this utter shambles. Talk about being totally removed from reality, which after all is the classic trait of any dictator!

  134. Red Member

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:09 #85221

    "we all know he will be hanging around next season" why are you so certain of this? Maybe if more supporters like yourself called for change then it might actually happen. That sort of defeatist attitude is similar to the team thinking that they cannot win football matches.

  135. JWE

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:07 #85220

    What is the point in booing the players when the real culprit has already run off to the changing rooms? There was not one chant against AW inside the ground last night, not one. Maybe in the cold light of day the actual culprits are the people that continue to pay to watch Arsenal play but say nothing. The editor of this very site has clearly wanted change for the past few seasons but has he ever actually voiced his opinion inside the ground and attempted to make them heard??? I would strongly guess not. That is the problem, nothing changes unless the people that matter make it happen.

  136. Tony Evans

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:02 #85219

    On paper we still have a chance but on the pitch I just can't see us putting the sort of run together required. I have reached the stage with Wenger that the thought of him winning the League turns my stomach, much as I obviously want Arsenal to succeed. I can just picture it now - Wenger smugly claiming justification of his methods and signing a 3 year contract extension! What a dichotomy that man has created for me and for so many of the same ilk.

  137. Danny

    Mar 03, 2016, 10:59 #85218

    I would sack Wenger today and appoint Henry until the end of the season then appoint a top manager in the summer.Keeping Wenger is death by a thousand cuts.Its come to the stage where i hope we lose to Spurs.

  138. Daniel Northampton Gooner

    Mar 03, 2016, 10:58 #85217

    Obviously as a mere season ticket holder I have never worked for half a day in football in my life so clearly not qualified to comment - However I am amazed at how dis-jointed they have become. Even in previous collapses we kept some sort of shape - Now there is nothing. To be fair I thought the fans backed them quite well until the 2nd goal then we all gave up. To blame the ref and bad luck just insults the intelligence of people who turn up to watch them play but he has been doing that for years now so that is hardly a surprise. At least we have a nice easy game on Saturday with our 1st choice goalkeeper and central defender available - Oh hang on......

  139. Len

    Mar 03, 2016, 10:58 #85216

    Complete lack of respect for Arsene Wenger.Both of Swansea's goals should not have stood and a fair result would have been at least 3-0 Arsenal.

  140. Charles

    Mar 03, 2016, 10:56 #85215

    We always drop too many points at home to ever win the league. Last night was another 3 down the drain making 15 points dropped for the season. The slow sideways passing lets organised defences settle into the game and the finishing is not good enough. The losing culture at the club means they are always finding ways to shoot themselves in the head. Wenger out.

  141. Wenger Out

    Mar 03, 2016, 10:56 #85214

    Arsenal didn't even lose to Swansea's front line Kev as Routledge is a winger and Williams a CENTRE BACK. The challenge is over again. As the sign says "Wenger and Kronke out."

  142. Titi2

    Mar 03, 2016, 10:52 #85213

    The time has come for the remaining fans in the ground to make Kroenk's and Wenger's positions impossible. Victoria Concordia crescit. Let's do it.

  143. Wexit and Brexit

    Mar 03, 2016, 10:46 #85212

    Wenger out Martinez in