#FlashbackFriday - Spurs Away

Part two of a look back at the history Arsenal’s trips to White Hart Lane



#FlashbackFriday - Spurs Away


Flashbacks for Tottenham at home can be found here and here, while yesterday’s edition can be found here

George Graham’s first season at Arsenal is generally considered a success, however people are quick to forget that Arsenal only won two of his first eight games in charge. After a 0-1 away to Nottingham Forest, the corner was turned at the start of October and there followed a seventeen game unbeaten run - which included thirteen victories with thirty one goals scored along the way – that took Arsenal to the top of table. The zenith of this run of form, which formed the basis of the George Graham era, came on Sunday 4th January 1987 away to Tottenham at White Hart Lane, shown live on Match of the Day on the BBC.

Spurs, in their first season under the management of David Pleat were not doing too badly that season either, fired on by former Arsenal striker (albeit for an extremely brief period) Clive Allen during an ‘annus miribulus’ season for him which saw him score forty nine goals in all competitions – a record number of goals for a Spurs player in one season, beating the previous record set in the sixties by Jimmy Greaves. At the time of North London Derby however, Spurs were as much as ten points behind Arsenal.

The Gunners took the lead with a goal from Tony Adams and just ahead of half time Tottenham’s Danny Thomas brought down Martin Hayes when through on goal (which would now be a straight red), Paul Davis however scored direct from the resulting free kick. Mitchell Thomas pulled one back for Spurs, but Arsenal held out for a 2-1 win which put them four points clear at the top of the old First Division. This however would be Arsenal’s last League win for the next eleven matches, unable to secure another League victory until early April. In the meantime, Arsenal were proceeding in both cups and had drawn Tottenham Hotspur in the Semi Final of the League Cup.

Arsenal had gone a goal down in the first leg at Highbury to an offside Clive Allen goal. Three weeks on back at White Hart Lane, Arsenal looked doomed after a first half goal for Clive Allen doubled Tottenham’s lead after a goalkeeping blunder from John Lukic. The PA announcer at White Hart Lane certainly thought so after announcing details of how to book tickets for the final during the half time break, Which George Graham used to fire up his troops for the second half. Arsenal got back into the game after a long David Rocastle throw had been headed on by Niall Quinn and bundled over the line by Viv Anderson. Rocky would be involved again crossing for Niall Quinn to finish off as Arsenal drew level on aggregate, 2-1 on the day and into extra time.

In these days before penalty shoot outs decided ties, with no further score it would be back to White Hart Lane for the replay three days on. Arsenal would look doomed again after Clive Allen put Spurs ahead late on, with Charlie Nicholas hobbling off injured and replaced by Ian Allinson who had been side-lined for most of the season. One of his first touches of the ball had been receiving a long pass from Paul Davis which he was unable to hit first time. With Spurs’s Richard Gough tracking back, Allinson managed to squeeze the ball between his legs and past Ray Clemence in the Tottenham goal by the tightest of angles to bring Arsenal back in it. There was just enough time left for David Rocastle to collect the rebound from an Ian Allison shot to put the ball past Ray Clemence for the winner and send the Arsenal away support ecstatic.

The mantra which emerged from these series of games had been ‘one nil down, two one up’, which a rival fanzine to The Gooner appropriated for its title. Another lesser known fact is that back in early 1987, Tottenham Hotspur used to advertise tickets for games on LBC sport with the narrator’s opening line: ‘Did you know that Spurs are still in with a chance of doing the treble?’ – an advert that thankfully disappeared overnight. Tottenham’s dreams of the treble proved over optimistic as Spurs ended the season trophy-less, although finished one place above Arsenal in third. The mantra of ‘One Nil Down, Two One Up’ continued into the next season, as Arsenal won their fourth game by that score line at White Hart Lane in the calendar year of 1987.

Just three days on from the famous hurricane in October of that year, Arsenal’s visit to White Hart Lane would be shown live on ITV’s ‘The Big Match’ on a Sunday afternoon. Spurs opened the scoring with a goal from one of the few foreign internationals playing top flight English football at the time – Belgium’s Nico Clausen. Arsenal however stormed back with goals from David Rocastle and Michael Thomas to win 2-1, while Steve Williams won praise for his performance (here telling Ossie Ardiles to ‘go away’ – or words to that effect).

Another fact about this game is that it would be the final game for Tottenham under David Pleat’s first reign as Tottenham manager, who resigned a week later after embarrassing revelations about his private life. Just before the Arsenal game, Spurs were third in the table but there followed a run of ten games without win which included eight defeats which sunk Spurs to thirteenth in the table. Mid-way through that run, Tottenham brought in Terry Venables as boss after he was sacked from his job with Barcelona after a poor start to the season, which saw the beginning of an era where old pals George Graham and Terry Venables battled for North London supremacy.

In his first season however Venables suffered a 1-2 defeat in the third round of the FA Cup to Port Vale and finished thirteenth in the League. In the close season of 1988, Spurs allowed Venables to splash the cash by breaking the British transfer record to sign Paul Gascoigne from Newcastle for £2 million, as well as Paul Stewart from Man City while Arsenal signed only Steve Bould as a reserve Centre Half. The Gunners would meet Spurs in the Wembley International Tournament just ahead of the season. Tottenham’s opening fixture of the 1988/89 season against Coventry however was called off due to over running building work on White Hart Lane’s East Stand, which meant that Paul Gascoigne’s first home game at White Hart Lane would be against Arsenal.

Arsenal’s good run over Spurs continued with a fifth straight win at White Hart Lane with a 3-2 victory secured with goals from Brian Marwood, Alan Smith and Brian Marwood, while on the scores sheet for Spurs would be Chris Waddle and a first Tottenham goal for Paul Gascoigne who lost his boot in the process of scoring. It would however turn out to be Arsenal’s last victory over Spurs at White Hart Lane for the next four years. While Arsenal were on their way to a first title for eighteen years, Spurs would win only one of their first ten games during a run of games that would include a 2-2 draw with Man United and a 1-3 defeat to Derby with Bobby Mimms having a howler conceding two goals to Ted McMinn, who in the years since has suffered a leg amputation.

The latter defeat left Spurs rock bottom of the table at the start of the November, however a strong finish to the season in which Spurs lost just three of their last fifteen fixtures, including a 5-0 win over early season challengers Millwall at the Den, meant Spurs finished in sixth place. The following season, Spurs got off to another bad start, winning just one of their first five games, though had moved up to eighth by the time second placed Arsenal visited White Hart Lane in mid-November. Spurs however managed their first home win over Arsenal during the George Graham era, as goals from Vinny Samways and Paul Walsh gave Spurs a 2-1 win, while Michael Thomas pulled one back for the Gunners.

A late run of eight wins out of their last ten games took Spurs one place above Arsenal in the table to third place. England also reached the Semi Final of the World Cup with both Paul Gascoigne and Gary Lineker playing a prominent role and Spurs went the first ten games of the 1990/91 season unbeaten, which took them to third behind Arsenal and Liverpool, before the latter ended their run with a 3-1 win at White Hart Lane. Spurs however had dropped off the pace by the time of Arsenal’s visit to White Hart Lane. A 0-0 draw stretched Arsenal’s unbeaten run to twenty two games – a run which last just one more game as three weeks later Chelsea inflicted Arsenal’s only league defeat of the season on their way to the League title, though Spurs would prevent Arsenal from a double after beating the Gunners in Wembley’s first Semi-Final.

In 1991/92, Arsenal visited Tottenham in late February a week after a 7-1 win over Sheffield Wednesday after a run of just one win in ten games, which saw Arsenal’s season collapse. Arsenal were facing another defeat after a Paul Stewart goal, however Ian Wright grabbed a last minute equaliser in a 1-1 draw. One season on, Arsenal’s first visit to White Hart Lane during the Premiership era saw Arsenal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uAIrmDL2oM target="_blank">lose 0-1 to a goal from Paul Allen (revenge for Willie Young’s foul twelve years earlier no doubt). In this game Ian Wright also punched David Howells off of the ball, which led to the former receiving a suspension. The following August however, Ian Wright would go from villain to hero by scoring in the last minute to secure a 1-0 win over Spurs.

In 1994/95, Spurs started the season with a 4-3 win over Sheffield Wednesday at Hillsborough having spent big money over the summer buying Jurgen Klinsmann (who signed from Monaco, then under the management of Arsene Wenger) and Gheorghe Popescu. When Arsenal visited White Hart Lane on 2nd December, a goal from the latter inflicted a 0-1 defeat on the Gunners with Tottenham on course for their last ever League finish above Arsenal in seventh, while Arsenal finished twelfth. The following season Arsenal also crashed to a 1-2 defeat after taking the lead through a magnificent Dennis Bergkamp volley, however goals from Teddy Sheringham and Chris Armstrong meant a 1-2 defeat for the Gunners.

The first ever visit to White Hart Lane during the reign of Arsene Wenger ended in a 0-0 draw. During Wenger’s first double season, Arsenal visited White Hart Lane between the interim of Christmas and New Year with a Ray Parlour goal cancelling out an earlier Alan Neilsen strike, for a 1-1 draw, a result which left Arsenal twelve points off of League leaders Man United in sixth place – a deficit which Arsenal gradually clawed back to overhaul United. Arsenal’s first win at White Hart Lane during the Wenger years came in May 1999. Arsenal went into this game one point ahead of United, who had one game in hand over Arsenal.

Spurs now had former Arsenal boss George Graham in charge, which left the Spurs fan base as divided as Arsenal’s in the present day over Arsene Wenger. The Gunners achieved their first away win over Tottenham for six years as goals from Emmanuel Petit, Nicolas Anelka and Nwankwo Kanu gave Arsenal a 3-1 win, their fifth straight victory. Manchester United meanwhile dropped a point at Anfield that same night with a 2-2 draw, which gave Arsenal a three point cushion at the top. United however won their next game with a 1-0 win away at Middlesbrough. Forty eight hours on however saw Arsenal crash to a 0-1 defeat at Leeds United,, while a 0-0 draw for United which relegated Blackburn meant that Arsenal were going into the final game of the season reliant on George Graham’s Spurs preventing Man United from winning at Old Trafford.

Spurs took the lead with a goal from Les Ferdinand, however an equaliser from David Beckham and second half goal for Andy Cole gave Man United a 2-1 win and the 1998/99 Premiership title. The following season, Spurs won the final North London Derby of the twentieth century in November 1999, inflicting a 1-2 defeat on Arsenal with goals from Stefan Iversen and Tim Sherwood, while Patrick Vieira was on target for Arsenal. That defeat would be Arsenal’s last to Tottenham for nearly a decade, however victories at White Hart Lane would still be hard to come by for Arsenal.

There would follow four straight draws, with three consecutive 1-1 draws. In December 2000 Spurs took the lead with a goal from Sergei Rebrov, however Arsenal prevented a Tottenham win with a late equaliser from Patrick Vieira. It would be after this game that Alan Sugar quit as Spurs Chairman. On taking over at Spurs the club were going bankrupt, but on his exit were financially solvent. Despite that, Spurs were the only top flight club whose average attendance dropped in the first ten years after the formation of the Premiership compared to the Pre-Premiership years.

In that December 2000 fixture, Robert Pires got a ball in the face from angry Spurs fan, however got his own back by becoming one of Tottenham’s chief tormentors. In November 2001, Pires gave Arsenal the lead with a superb thirty yard strike, however an equally superb volley from Gus Poyet secured a draw. A week before Christmas 2002, Christian Ziege gave Spurs the lead, however Robert Pires popped up again to slot away an equalising penalty.


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  1. Rocky RIP

    Mar 07, 2016, 10:59 #85575

    John F - sad, but typical of that lot. I've also seen the footage of Arsenal arriving at WHL from the league cup game earlier this season. Strangely, there's no people jumping up and down behind the police trying to get at Arsenal. Why not? Because they are faced with some of Arsenal's finest (many grizzlies who were around in the 80s) and have no women or old men or innocent scarfers to attack. The bullies are nowhere to be seen. I'm not into the violence myself and would be the first to run, so like many fans would rather be left alone. If their scruffy pavement dancers want to fight, we have a very willing mob who will happily oblige. It's an unwritten rule, which Dainton (Denton) was apparently very insistent on, that firms leave scarfers well alone. It's only Tottenham that don't seem to abide by this. Fans of other clubs have said the same things. Reports of a Leeds fan in a wheel chair being punched for having a scarf on, people in their 60s being hit, etc. Vile club, vile fans, vile stadium.

  2. jjetplane

    Mar 06, 2016, 11:45 #85499

    Would that be the same Leics you said would be back in their rightful place fighting relegation? Arsenal now fighting Manchester, Liverpool, Chelski, Hammers, Totts just to stay with the CL cash cow. Lol!

  3. Jamerson

    Mar 06, 2016, 9:12 #85490

    Arseneknewbest-Cromwell lived 200 years before the chavs existed you fool.Even though I don't agree with his banning of everything he considered sinful,as unregenerate man cannot help but sin and only the elect like myself are capable of mortifying the flesh.He has to be applauded for seeing through the wicked Roman Catholic church,the brilliant way his armies defeated those of far greater numbers and the excellent way his soldiers conducted themselves,any rapists or sexual deviants which were rare in his psalm singing army were hanged.

  4. Westlower

    Mar 06, 2016, 7:12 #85489

    Spare a thought for Leicester fan Jon Pryle who had £20 on Leicester winning the title at odds of 5,000/1. He lost his nerve before yesterdays set of matches & cashed his bet in for £29,000. Had he waited 24 hours I'm sure the value of the cash out would have been nearer £50,000. Had he toughed it out to the end he may have won £100,000. Jon has kept faith with his other bet of 400/1 Leicester to finish top 4. I don't know what he staked on that bet, but if it was £20 again, he'll have another £8,000 to come. Well played Jon!

  5. Petrovic

    Mar 06, 2016, 6:25 #85488

    Happy for Leicester! Wenger out!

  6. Cyril

    Mar 06, 2016, 6:17 #85487

    Watching the game in a packed pub and mixing with Spurs fan and having banter was a great day out yesterday out. I am ST holder but have not gone this year. I wanted a year off to test the water. I am not sure if I really want to go back now. A fan of 40 years. I feel ashamed to say it. What have they done to our great club and our popular culture. What happened to the days of looking forward to Saturday afternoon and a stroll down to the match. Now you have to get a Visa to get past the stewards. The players don't seem to care about the colours. The Manager has become Napolean from Animal Farm.We have an owner who lives thousands of miles away and probable doesn't even know the result yet. Fams are leaving 15 mins before the end. I know ST holders in their 60s and they have never seen the morale so bad. There is no community anymore at the stadium. The stewards are little hitlers. At one game I was told to tuck my feet in because they stuck out a bit. Are you having a laugh? I think its time I put some Kinks on to remind me of what London and popular culture is really meant to be about.

  7. John Gage

    Mar 06, 2016, 4:56 #85486

    @Westlower: You are right with regard to Arsenal's head to head record against the top four. But 13 points from 30 doesn't indicate to me that this is a club that deserves to win the Premiership. It appears clear to me that Arsenal will never win the Premiership under this manager again.

  8. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 05, 2016, 23:44 #85485

    Jamee son - That you align yourself with a religious nutjob responsible for the deaths of thousands of people speaks volumes. And also like you, Cromwell was known as a huge chelsea fan...btw, I see your boys couldn't get past stoke aujhourd'hui. Incidentally I would have thought you'd be in bed by now making one of your slaves read the old testament to you.

  9. Jamerson

    Mar 05, 2016, 23:11 #85484

    The WOBs are a sad laughable collection of deviants.In the old days Oliver Cromwell would have put them all to the sword.

  10. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 05, 2016, 23:08 #85483

    Smithy - I'd take eddie the eagle over the present incumbent. Or just the anorak without its wearer. But you can be safe in the knowledge that Stan n' Chips won't even have a shortlist. I don't think today's outcome did anything to strengthen his position so every cloud has a silver lining. Finsbury Joe is nowhere to bee seen - he must be sitting at home in his lillywhite costume licking his wounds. Up the filberts.

  11. jeff wright

    Mar 05, 2016, 21:54 #85482

    Just one of the usual suspects Exeter ...cluck cluck clucking away .He's happy though that Arsene the specialist in failure is failing again. Dumb is hardly the word for it.

  12. Smithy

    Mar 05, 2016, 21:48 #85481

    I know it's a bit left field but Eddie Howe would be a good shout for Arsenes replacement. He's Hungry and plays good football.

  13. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 05, 2016, 21:37 #85480

    Someone using a different name to mock someone else for using a different name... how dumb can you be? Anyway, Leicester now need to drop points the equivalent of losing a third of their remaining games whilst AFC win them all, to catch up. It was a decent effort to come back from the self destruct today but not enough and too late now. Let's hope Wenger has the decency and shows he love for AFC he professes at the end of the season by letting go and letting someone else have a turn.

  14. Proud jeff

    Mar 05, 2016, 21:21 #85479

    Yep, Jeff 'Milan' Wright has yet again shown his support for the Arsenal..................... Erm, I think not.

  15. jeff wright

    Mar 05, 2016, 20:54 #85478

    So after all the selfies taking and mad celebs with a lap of honor following on beating Leicester here we are 3 games later with 9 left to play -8 points behind them.You couldn't make it up. 4th place is no given either for us - not with our run-in and flaky players . I still see City being the only danger to Leicester - the spuds have had two chances this week to go top and bottled both of them. I don't think the sending off made much difference the spuds looked like a side choking on Lasagna . As for Arsene he should be thinking about retiring and writing his book entitled :Accountancy In Football . Amos can write the forward for it. Good old Arsene.

  16. Smithy

    Mar 05, 2016, 20:29 #85477

    I agree with Rocky RIP - White ****e lane is the only away ground I've had bricks thrown towards us . Nasty hole full of scum ! Not all Tottenham fans but a significant number!

  17. CB

    Mar 05, 2016, 20:26 #85476

    What's wrong with this Leicester team? 5 points clear and they haven't posted a dressing room selfie!

  18. Frank

    Mar 05, 2016, 20:06 #85475

    This season is working out perfectly.We wont even finish 4th.Well done Leiceater and Ranieri.Goodbye Wenger with your excuses that you couldnt compete with oil rich Leicester

  19. mbg

    Mar 05, 2016, 19:51 #85474

    Well done Leicester and Ranieri it's yours to lose now, if ever a team deserves the League it's you. wenger out.

  20. John F

    Mar 05, 2016, 19:01 #85473

    Rocky I don't know if you saw the footage I saw when it seemed like hundreds of them converging on one Gooner.It would be easy to ban the pond life as some of them are clearly shown on videos.On the forum it was mentioned that glass bottles were thrown when Arsenal fans were going to the toilet cutting a ladies face.As for Arsenal i think with West Ham 3pts behind with us at home,city game in hand 2pts behind with us at home to come,Utd creeping up both clubs can view this as two pts lost.

  21. Bard

    Mar 05, 2016, 18:48 #85472

    All things considered a very good result. Coqs sending off is why we need an upgrade although i like the look of Elneny. A good point in the battle for 4th which is hotting up nicely.

  22. South London Gooner

    Mar 05, 2016, 18:47 #85471

    Rocky RIP,agree with everything you say mate. At how many other grounds do the away fans have to get escorted into the ground with a line of riot police either side? They really are cave dwellers!

  23. Rocky RIP

    Mar 05, 2016, 18:22 #85470

    @South London Gooner - they are total bullies and cowards. They pick on scarfers and people clearly not interested. They only seem interested when they outnumber small groups of visiting fans. As soon as they meet with resistance most of them do what bullies and cowards do. I'm not claiming Arsenal are totally innocent, but I've never heard anyone complain that they got attacked when innocently visiting Arsenal. Go to WHL and it's rare not to be threatened on arrival/departure. Vile bunch.

  24. mbg

    Mar 05, 2016, 17:27 #85469

    Nick, dead right, why today ? why this game ? why not against the Swansea's, man u youth team, etc, etc, etc, did someone else take charge ? and pick the team and give the team talks ? but just watch them return to type now.

  25. jjetplane

    Mar 05, 2016, 17:07 #85468

    WESTie is back and running while Jamerson has found Buddha which just leaves the leeedle matter of a new contract for Arsene. Looking forward to the next rousing circular from the Rev Perry and stats and more stats from Arsene's most virtual supporter. Can anyone stop the Hammers and Payat who reckons he is more cockney than Wenger is French, German, Japanese or Nags head which Olly failed to do again. Was Ozil playing and do you think Sanchez rates him? .... Now if the Foxes win who the AKBs said would fall away last November .... Ring that bell Ranieri!

  26. Nick

    Mar 05, 2016, 16:55 #85467

    At least we saw some FIGHT today, why they need too be beaten before they show it is another matter, Coqulien was STUPID to get sent off but the ref was inconsistent and should have sent off a spud for hauling Giroud back but was nowhere near as eager to flash a second yellow to their bloke, we panicked after the dismissal when we just needed to stay tight and calm , still credit where its due we did well with ten men to reign in a rampant spud side that looked as though they were going for the jugular, our next four games ( not inc cl ) are must wins if we want to put pressure on Leicester and the scum and keep the teams below us at bay , no more off days or that will be that. Wenger however should still go at seasons end no matter the final outcome , that we are in the position we are embattled and having to fight the odds is no ones fault but his !

  27. anthony walters

    Mar 05, 2016, 16:35 #85466

    fine effort from the lads today at the lane.showed great spirit with 10 men .gab and mert at fault for the second goal though they had relatively good matches.ramsey sanchez and welbeck excellent today thought gibbs and ospina were outstanding too.coquelin will hopefully learn from that silly second yellow.

  28. Westlower

    Mar 05, 2016, 16:33 #85465

    Arsenal remain unbeaten v games against the other current top 4 sides, winning 3, drawing 2, losing 0.

  29. Smithy

    Mar 05, 2016, 15:53 #85464

    Well done fellas good effort!

  30. Jamerson

    Mar 05, 2016, 15:50 #85463

    As far as the crowd trouble is concerned unbelievers have always loved punching and killing each other especially those who are over emotional and are brought to follow the herd.You can't just blame the spuds, Arsenal have always been pretty bad too.I remember after the 2000 EUFA cup final I said it would be the last time I watch Arsenal in Europe away and it was.

  31. South London Gooner

    Mar 05, 2016, 15:33 #85462

    Just seen the trouble outside the ground on the Telegraph website. This only happens at that cesspit. They really are pond life!

  32. Westlower

    Mar 05, 2016, 15:32 #85461

    @Hiccup, Thank you for taking such an interest in my betting, but I have to tell you that I didn't win big this weekend. In fact a had a very small win backing a draw at 12/5. I suggest you read again post 90293, when I advised that the odds were too skinny to make money but suggested a draw was the 'safe' bet. No, I didn't back a 4-4 draw at Newcastle but I did back the 4-4 at the Emirates when Arsenal were leading 4-2 against TH with 5 mins remaining. It was my biggest win in the PL. Only a fool would make that bet, but I look upon it as insurance should AFC f*ck up, aka Swansea. Welcome back Alexis, more goals please!

  33. John F

    Mar 05, 2016, 15:12 #85460

    Glad we denied them 3pts.Trouble with the spuds outside before the game again.The media love the spuds but ignore the lowlifes that follow them had it been Millwall fans it would be reported more.When is something going to be done you should be able to go to football in safety it is not the eighties.Points docked would be a start.

  34. Jamerson

    Mar 05, 2016, 15:11 #85459

    The spuds remind me of the old Wimbledon with a few flares,all closing down and long balls plus diving to get set plays.If we'd have lost today it would have probably been over,well done Wenger some excellent substitutions,usual incompetent ref costing us.

  35. Jb

    Mar 05, 2016, 14:50 #85458

    If there's any bit of control at the club Coquelin should be fined a weeks wages. How stupid was he! Result makes no difference we're not going to win the league.

  36. Westlower

    Mar 05, 2016, 14:48 #85457

    Good result. Anyone tell me why Dier wasn't sent off?

  37. mbg

    Mar 05, 2016, 14:39 #85456

    As predictable as TOF himself, Leicester the winners again. wenger out.

  38. mbg

    Mar 05, 2016, 12:42 #85455

    A win today (as much as it ill be welcome)will suddenly not make everything alright (far from it) especially for wenger, the call will still be wenger out.

  39. jjetplane

    Mar 05, 2016, 12:29 #85454

    Radio five just saying how Wenger looks 'cold and nervous.' They have been talking and laughing about Wenger for two minutes. What a situ when Zipgate covers all aspects of the club's manager. Any other club or manager (including Remi Garde) get more serious attention. Arsene FC are basically a soft pop and I think even now the piss takes are so withering when you think he has been trying to get that zip up for two decades ...... I remember a time when we walked down the High Road and everyone got out of the way ... Imagine even those harder spuds have given up and just smirk about it. History counts for little when you cannot even do your ****ing ZIP up!

  40. Rocky RIP

    Mar 05, 2016, 12:17 #85453

    It makes me laugh how it's only their lot saying this is the biggest NLD ever. For them, maybe. They haven't gone into any knowing they can clinch the title.

  41. 600NER PETE

    Mar 05, 2016, 11:33 #85452

    Just reiterating my earlier post. Lee Dixon on his first North London Derby: "Tony Adams, Paul Davis, David Rocastle and Michael Thomas - practically pinned me up against the wall and said: 'Now listen here, you outsider from Stoke. Tonight is what being an Arsenal player is all about' Nuff said.

  42. John F

    Mar 05, 2016, 10:21 #85451

    My above post makes no sense now as some mysterious force has removed the earlier posts about untold.I am with you Smithy Iam suffering from PST(pre spud tension) at the moment which makes my house lively as my wife has PMT.

  43. Jamerson

    Mar 05, 2016, 9:59 #85450

    jeff-In your eyes to be mature means you have to be a miserable sod who is constantly critical,it's been proved that being positive gets more results than continually going into a shell and sulking.If you were the Arsenal manager or players what would make you perform better,praise from the fans or fault finding and booing.Untold from what I can gather was put together to counterbalance all the negative Arsenal sites and their referee evaluating has proven that Arsenal has been seriously fleeced over the years.

  44. John F

    Mar 05, 2016, 9:50 #85449

    Just been on untold and apparently there is a deep conspiracy against Arsenal,bias refs etc.The same people probably beleive the moon landings didn't happen,JFKwas really shot by the abdominal snowman and we are being governed by shape changing lizards.The last one could be true .As for Mgb post asking about what happened after Wenger's first 10 years perhaps the football powers to be had him replaced by a double and the real Wenger went on to manage Northern Rock before the crash.

  45. jeff wright

    Mar 05, 2016, 9:04 #85447

    Jamerson, if you are so tough how come you keep hiding behind other names when you post on here>?> I read through the posts on that site and tbh it was like reading essays written by 5 year olds -just the usual let's get behind Arsene and anyone who doesn't think he knows best is an idiot. Walter posted some stats on there claiming that every one is struggling compared with last season - so that proves Arsene is right , someone put them up on here the other day as well claiming the same. All the stats show is that we are doing less well than last season when at the start of it Wenger and the AKB's were convinced that we would show progress .Anyway,let's see how things transpire today - it is after all a results game.

  46. Smithy

    Mar 05, 2016, 8:59 #85446

    Fingers crossed for today more in hope than any real belief. Please God can we scrape a win , not because we are title winning quality , but we need to derail the spuds I cannot bare to see them winning anything!

  47. Radfordkennedy

    Mar 05, 2016, 8:42 #85445

    Gentleman.....I'm afraid I have to report that one of us has reported to the sick bay with what has now been discovered to be LEFT hand and LEFT foot gunshot wounds, a classic sign I'm afraid of abject cowardice,......seriously fellas Kos is an embarrassment to that shirt mind you he's not alone.,AW normally pulls it out the hat when all appears lost,but I just get the feeling we will be on the end of one today,it's all a question of how long we can hold out before bursting in to tears

  48. Stan

    Mar 05, 2016, 8:24 #85444

    I love that Jamerson has so little self-awareness that he doesn't even realise why his posts get removed. A typical AKB in some respects. It's because you post under different names and have been at different times, racist and homophobic. You are not holding your own here because you are not welcome. Get the message.

  49. mbg

    Mar 05, 2016, 0:20 #85441

    6OONER PETE, Post of the day.

  50. mbg

    Mar 05, 2016, 0:10 #85440

    jw, your famous, and it's all thanks to the AKB's, are you going to give them any royalties.

  51. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 23:58 #85439

    Yeah hallelujah the youth team looks good (only good mind) and beat Liverpool tonight (is there a trophy for that)we're up and running again. You couldn't make it up.

  52. 600NER PETE

    Mar 04, 2016, 23:54 #85438

    We need Rocky to come back and pop in the changing room before the match and emphasise how important this game is (like he explained to Lee Dixon on his first NLD!). RIP Rocky. Arsenal legend.

  53. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 23:41 #85437

    Yes TOF seems to have taken exception to Henry telling it like it is, in other words the truth, that wengers shyte, not in so many words though, but we all know what you mean, well done Henry, the AKB's will turn against you now but don't worry about them they're irrelevant.

  54. jeff wright

    Mar 04, 2016, 22:07 #85435

    Colesyboy ,I just googled that post on the other site made by Milan, he copied and pasted my comments off here in various posts and used them to make comments to someone called Walter the times are all after I made my posts on here ... what a cheek !Hey Milan they do say imitation is the greatest form of flattery but you will be hearing from my brief son if you carry on with this lark , you are upsetting Colesyboy and leekfc and they have enough on their plate with Arsene getting all that abuse at home games... so give it miss and think up your own posts !Eyes down fingers on keyboard ...think and type... I'll be watching ...

  55. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 21:51 #85434

    Hiccup, yes indeed, and he's an AKB wengerite and a super fan always making excuses for his messiah, and he comes on here with his silly stats quoting odds and accusing Arsenal fans of being toxic and unless we support the team/wenger we're going to lose, and all the time he's betting against them, some super fan that, according to he AKB's the WOB's are Arsenal's/wengers enemy, I haven't met or don't know of a WOB who bets against Arsenal.

  56. jeff wright

    Mar 04, 2016, 21:38 #85433

    Colsyeboy , I have never written an article on here or on the site you keep raving on about. I have never even read anything on that site and had no idea that it even existed. I don't need to write an article asking :Are We Going Backwards ,because I already know the answer ,we are ! I would entitle the article WE ARE GOING BACKWARDS ! I have no idea who Milan is but if he can't work out that we are going backwards then he needs to pay more attention...... by the way if I were Mila I woiuld say so... but I'm not ...so give it a rest the PMT is obviously getting to you again..... Hiccup very true Westie does seem to cover every angle it's amazing how with all the in match betting that he does that he has time to watch the games. I prefer a straight accy to all that spread betting malarkey -I won't be putting our game in one tomorrow though it looks a bit complicated -what with one thing and another.

  57. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 04, 2016, 21:22 #85432

    The point is Bard he denies it and said it was a false accusation. So just wanted to share his posts. As I have said many times, I support the football club. I don't need to write an article. The agenda on here isn't the same as mine. The youth team looks good and beat Livpool tonight. Man city in the two legged semi final next up. Be good to see PV4's legacy.

  58. Gaz

    Mar 04, 2016, 20:40 #85431

    Tony-yeah I find supporters of other Clubs have no idea just how split out fan base is too. Funnily enough the arguments we've just discussed was being had by Alan Sugar and Pierce Morgan on Talksport this morning! Basically they were arguing that each other's club had the better manager!!! EG-I think you've been far too soft on Untold Arsenal there!!! I mean they take being positive and conspiracy theories to a completely new level!!!...

  59. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 04, 2016, 19:48 #85430

    I think the Kronke issue would blow up more if we had more of a manager not a corporate lackey in charge. However s new broom in charge who was tactically astute could work wonders. The knowledge amongst the players that it would either be shape up or ship out could have real positive effects. I'm often wrong predicting but think we might beat Spurs. Feeling in my water!

  60. Hiccup

    Mar 04, 2016, 19:39 #85429

    Jeff, tomorrow's result may be a difficult one to call. But there is one certainty tomorrow in that Westie will win big bucks. No matter who scores first, no matter the final result, no matter how good/bad the ref is, his in play betting is second to none. Did he tell you that when Arsenal went 4-0 up at Newcastle he placed a bet at half time on the draw? I'm doing ok myself at the bookies. When Arsenal went 1-0 up against Swansea, I placed a bet that Westie would bet on Swansea on winning. I'm betting that Westie wins big again this weekend.

  61. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 04, 2016, 19:25 #85428

    Untold Arsenal is a Wenger cult site for loons who believe there is an organised conspiracy against Arsenal between the FA, the Professional Game Match Officials Board and the other clubs, and that's all that stops 'Lord Wenger' sweeping all before him. Those admitting they frequent and admire it are saying a lot more about themselves than anyone else...

  62. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 19:20 #85427

    Gaz, don't worry mate a win tomorrow (as much as it will be welcome, and celebrated by us all )will not make the slightest bit of difference, the shout will still be wenger out.

  63. Tony Evans

    Mar 04, 2016, 19:18 #85426

    Gaz - I've had a few conversations like that too, not just with Spuds fans and they have no idea how split the Arsenal fan base is over Wenger. You have to have supported Arsenal for years to really get the utter frustrationS with Wenger over the way he is changing the DNA of the club. Most get where I am coming from - it's not about trophies it's all to do with how we play and the type of players we have on the books.

  64. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 19:08 #85425

    jj, it's a question that has been asked a lot of times over the last ten years, why was he so successful at the start and now so useless, it doesn't make sense, the only answer is he got lucky plain and simple, as you say it was all there for him, the French market and the Dutch lads, and the players that they advised to come to Arsenal,and of course not forgetting who and what he inherited, (and who brought these French and Dutch players on and ingrained the traditions of Arsenal into them a tradition long lost) it all fell into his hands at the right time. Then thanks to all of them he became Drunk on success and power thinking it was all down to him, he thought he was God and tried it all again, well we all know where that has ended up over the last ten years, so proof if any was needed that he was a fraud all along that got lucky.

  65. Jamerson

    Mar 04, 2016, 18:54 #85424

    Untold Arsenal is the best site for serious Arsenal fans who want to defend the team and want to see a fair system in place,most of jeff wrights messages on there are short and sweet with a lot more thumbs down than up as he knows they wouldn't tolerate his one sided made up fantasies.However this site is more humourous and more of a challenge to someone like myself who prefers to be on the frontline,even though I've never had a single post deleted from Untold yet everyone of my posts gets deleted on here.

  66. Old Man

    Mar 04, 2016, 18:44 #85422

    I have already posted. 3-1 Mug!

  67. Johnny White's Nine Iron

    Mar 04, 2016, 18:32 #85421

    OK all of my AKB amigo's give me a score for tomorrow so I can skint Paddy Power.

  68. Bard

    Mar 04, 2016, 18:27 #85420

    Colseyboysetc; Your point is what precisely ? Its posting under different names on the same site thats the problem. I post under all kinds of names on other Arsenal sites if I have the time. My favourite name is AKB slayer on the Wenger forever site. Grow up Colseyboysetc write something interesting about football rather than your sad obsession with some posters on here.

  69. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 18:20 #85418

    Tony Evans, 90314 Oh the thought of him back doing that (or indeed any manager) would bring tears to your eyes.

  70. Bard

    Mar 04, 2016, 18:16 #85416

    Biggest game of the season tomorrow.We go into it in poor form and Cech out. The Spuds go into it with confidence high. They play a pressing game which we find hard to cope with. I think the result depends on who scores first. If we do it will be a draw and if they do I think they will win. If we lose I think its curtains for Wenger. We have Everton, WH and City away still to come so the title challenge if there really was one is over. Untd have found some form and confidence so 4/5th place is now the battle ( as it always was). How this will go down with the fans remains to be seen. There is a thin line between vision and delusion and Wenger is increasingly sounding deluded.

  71. Johnny White's Nine Iron

    Mar 04, 2016, 18:14 #85414

    I am soooooo worried that THE Tottenham will kill our last chance of winning the league with Lord our Saviour in charge. What will I do? Come on you Foxywoxys!!! Ha, Ha.

  72. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 04, 2016, 18:07 #85413

    Article posted by jeff wright on here number 90216. See Untold Arsenal on March 3rd at 15.06pm article posted by Milan. Article posted by jeff wright on here number 90227. See Untold Arsenal on March 3rd at 19.44pm article posted by Milan. Both articles replicated word for word on both sites. Under the article, on Untold, Are we going backwards etc..... So jeff wright, are you Milan or jeff wright or both?

  73. Old Man

    Mar 04, 2016, 17:54 #85411

    The clueless Inspector Clueseau will not let us down! All of you what do you think the score will be? Me? 3-1

  74. John Devine Intervention

    Mar 04, 2016, 17:51 #85410

    Jameson. Henry's box is above the "singing" section so he would have heard a multitude of negatives and luckily for him it's about as far away as possible from the east upper! Your use of the word "mong" sums up your intelligence, I won't bother educating you about why it would upset a section of civilised human beings

  75. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Mar 04, 2016, 17:34 #85408

    Great memories and clips of my formative years as a gooner when I couldn't get enough of George's great sides of the late 80's. The likes of Rocky, Adams, Charlie Nic et al, oh the happy memories of those league cup matches at the ****hole in 87 and then the final of course when Charlie done the business for us. Couldn't agree more with the likes of Ron and Tony Evans and some of you other old school gooners who post on here- these were REAL Arsenal teams and REAL Arsenal players that wore the shirt and the old Cannon on it with pride. These pussies we have playing for us today would not get away with their weak lily livered performances in that era, their was no hiding place for losers like them in George's dressing room. Dreading tomorrow and can see us on the wrong side of a gutless, cowardly spanking, Koscielny has bottled it already, could you imagine Adams or keown wimping out, not in a million years

  76. Jamerson

    Mar 04, 2016, 17:22 #85407

    Listen Wenger was 100% correct when he said that Henry where he sits wouldn't be able to to hear the crowd being negative,as where I sit East upper center I couldn't hear any negatives either,apart from a few mongs getting over emotional.He was also correct in saying he is only interested in winning for the proper Arsenal supporters and is less interested in pleasing the jcl here today gone tomorrow WOB followers.

  77. Gaz

    Mar 04, 2016, 16:50 #85403

    That's the dilemma some of us ace tomorrow isn't it? Lose and we increase 'their' chances of winning the PL and none of us really want to see that do we? Win though and once again Wenger will have pulled a rabbit out of the hat just when the pressure was building into something so tangible that it might have had an impact on his future with us which once again is something some of us want to see! I can't hate Wenger but I hate him for making me feel that way!!! Nope, I'm struggling to work that out too!!!...

  78. Gaz

    Mar 04, 2016, 16:40 #85402

    Tony E-I've just had a really annoying 'conversations' with a spurs fan who's been trying to convince me that Wenger is still a great manager and any fan wanting rid of him must be mad! Now obviously I'd rather not be doing this but I couldn't just stand there nodding my head in agreement with him so I had to offer up the counter argument. Suffice to say-and with some regret-he now understands the dilemma us Gooners now face!...

  79. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 04, 2016, 16:37 #85401

    Seems a few of us on here were at the 87 SF replay. Remember the 'Ian, Ian Allison' chant. Now there was a moustachioed cult hero. The notion that Henry couldn't hear the stadium noise 'cos his seat had extra padding is of course ludicrous. Wenger must've said that knowing only the dimmest and most gullible of fans would be taken in.

  80. jeff wright

    Mar 04, 2016, 16:29 #85400

    Any result can be considered as being possible in tomorrow's tete a tete at the lane of shame.It all depends on who holds their nerve .My concern is that far too many of our players are out of form and that Sanchez looks to have morphed now into Arshavin MK2 . He says that the team has no self belief that they can win the title - I believe him. He also admits to not being fit due to being injured and that no one cares how ill he has been,they just expect him to score goals.So on the face of it with Cech out as well the signs are not good regarding us winning the game. The spuds though have suddenly hit a brick-wall apparently once again they had been confident of beating the Hammers at the Boleyn , they never learn do they ... as they were when the hilarious Lasagnagate malarkey had the brown-stuff running down their legs, so that defeat the other night might impact mentally on Poch's boys. It really does look like it will be on the day in what could be a tense low scoring game as was the 1-1 at the coliseum earlier in the season.Yellow cards and possibly red could play a part with tackles flying in and tempers getting frayed . Fingers crossed then that we don't lose - otherwise that could signal the mother trucker of all collapses by our bottlers with a string of tough away games to come. Including a visit to the Nou Camp to say hello to Messi and co and we all know how they rate our little no belief in themselves lightweights.

  81. jjetplane

    Mar 04, 2016, 16:21 #85399

    Which is why he lost against Swansea - swim away/swim away/ ..... Wenger can talk creaming off 8m for doing zilch for a decade. Least Henry scored a few and if he is now a pet hate for Arsenwipes then they really are in trouble ..... Where's your football club gone ......

  82. Jamerson

    Mar 04, 2016, 16:08 #85397

    Wenger was 100% correct when he said that Henry where he sits wouldn't be able to to hear the crowd being negative,as where I sit East upper center I couldn't hear any negatives either,apart from a few mongs getting over emotional.He was also correct in saying he is only interested in winning for the proper Arsenal supporters and is less interested in pleasing the jcl here today gone tomorrow WOB followers.

  83. Tony Evans

    Mar 04, 2016, 15:56 #85396

    Hi Ron - no, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we nab a draw tomorrow or even win. As I said though I am not looking forward to the game just in case we do get stuffed, and because of the thought of Wenger getting out of jail again if we win. I can't win at the moment! Read through your analysis of what GG would do with this squad and I have to agree - makes you realise how far Wenger has taken us down the road away from what we would call a proper Arsenal team.

  84. TJ

    Mar 04, 2016, 15:55 #85395

    I still predict a stormy match in which we lose 2-0 or 2-1, just feel we're collapsing now. Really telling Sanchez came out and said they lack belief- whose fault is that?

  85. jjetplane

    Mar 04, 2016, 15:46 #85394

    You have to wonder whether Wenger was any good in the first place. He was given the best back five in the PL for a kick start and with the French dominating football for a while he made some great signings. Again, it was all there for him. add the Dutch boys and he was good to go but he proved he was no coach with his awful record against European opposition. With a stronger proper coach and not a spinmaster/accountant/voyeur (if the beret fits ..) at the helm surely the likes of Pires and DB10 could have nicked at least one CL. Wenger knows his limitations and it is not about handbrakes but about hitting a brick wall tactically. His apparent football knowledge is both too studious and abstract for this sort of sport. Better he sticks to beachball and far east marketing where he is at his happiest. Wonder whether Arsenal can even pull back from the damage done and it may take as long as it is taking Liverpool to really impress in the game. Mind you - the Scousers did nick a big one and that Milner goal celebration against City was to die for. Always enjoying Robert's articles and have fuzzy memories of Gilzean's lack of hair and him and Greaves knocking them back when not knocking them in. That big old sandy pitch with lillywhites fluttering in the cold outpost that is dear old WHL. Remember being there in the 60s with my best schoolmate who was a Spud and being there in the later for god knows what reason when the Totts were playing Forest and Chivers broke a leg. i quietly sniggered and my eldest was laughing out loud. not a punch was thrown and really that was when we were class and The Totts were well.... you know the story.

  86. Tony Evans

    Mar 04, 2016, 15:43 #85393

    Gaz - 'bored' just about sums it up - the two cup wins apart the last 10 years have been so repetitive. You know what is going to happen and then it does! Anything to break this monotonous cycle, and to be able to unite behind a new manager that wasn't afraid to chance his arm, mix things up a bit and give us back our confidence in the team.

  87. Ron

    Mar 04, 2016, 15:35 #85392

    Tony - putting aside the obvious that GG wdt cope too well with todays player led, pansy - fide game at Clubs, players like Walcott and Cazorla would simply be sold forthwith. Wilshere would likely go too under GG unless he got fit and stayed fit for a full season and played 50 games. He wdt ever have bought a shirking, shrinking violet like Ozil and as for Koscheilny. he simply wouldnt get another game the first time GG saw him close his eyes at a free kick! Ramsey would struggle to survive unless he learned some midfield discipline. Bellerin would need to learn defensive techniques to survive. Giroud would be a makeweight player or hed be allowed to leave. He d persist with Wellbeck but would buy a real striker to play with him. BFG wouldnt last a week. Cech would survive. Monreal would. Campbell would. Gibbs would have no chance of survival. GG would gut that squad in a year in other words as would any sensible top Coach. Despite this though, appoint him this afternoon and let him loose on that squad and Tottenham wouldnt know what would hit them tomorrow. This is the problem Arsenal have in replacing Wengs. Top men wont want most of that squad stinking the place out. Clubs answer - appoint Henry and send Wengs up the stairs so to keep it French and comfortable. Slippers and cardies all round. Thats whats happening there in my view. Awful. I genuinely dont like to think it but the Club needs a severe wake up call on the pitch to lay the myth that Wengers built a worthwhile team with this flouncy mob of bottlers. A trouncing in the NLD like many have suggested might be just the medicine AFC need. The thing is, i wouldn't be at all shocked if Tottenham crumbled with stage fright and gave Wengs yet another get out of jail card and collect 200 quid as he goes past 'go'. Would you?

  88. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 04, 2016, 15:32 #85391

    Thanks Robert - It was the FAC semi goal at wemberley but when I reluctantly think of the spuds I always remember "Donkey won the derby" - and "he aw he aw he aw-lways scores against tottingham". The perfect riposte to what happened the year before. By jehovah I hate the spuds. I was told that "the w*nky tottenham hotspur" song and their ill-fated trip to see the pontiff came about because of the massive and important Irish contingent playing and supporting the Arsenal in the late seventies. Coleslaw - take note. Can any of the wiser heads on here confirm that is where the song originated from? One of my favourites (although I have to change the words if I'm watching games with Arseneknewbest junior). Sheer escapism, but I'm going to try and mentally wipe the slate clean before kick off and hope, against hope, that we can at least draw or win to scupper N17's worst. Anyone but the spuds.

  89. Bard

    Mar 04, 2016, 15:14 #85389

    Cech now ruled out for a month. So make that till the end of the season. And Wenger falls out with TH14 ?? All hotting up except on the field.

  90. Gaz

    Mar 04, 2016, 15:12 #85388

    I'm with you Tony E in I'd also take GG like a shot. In all honesty though I'd take anyone above AW as regardless of what happens tomorrow or indeed for the rest of the season I'm just so utterly bored of him now...

  91. Tony Evans

    Mar 04, 2016, 15:04 #85387

    Gaz - that semi-final was crazy wasn't it and I shouldn't let my issues with Wenger spoil my memories. We've been incredibly lucky with some amazing highs that other club's supporters can only dream about.

  92. Gaz

    Mar 04, 2016, 14:58 #85386

    Excellent stuff! Went to all those games in the middle/late eighties with the 87 S/F replay the obvious highlight! Never been in an away end that was so crammed with Gooners and when dear old Rocky scored it was by far and away the craziest mass celebration I've been involved in!!! Watched the league game where Adams and Davis scored from the upper tier of the shelf! When we scored I was mightily pleased to see that there were hundreds of Gooners up there with us! Absolutely blinding days out and thanks for reminding me again about them!...

  93. Tony Evans

    Mar 04, 2016, 14:44 #85385

    mbg - we could do a lot worse then GG, and I like you I would instantly have more confidence in our fading title chances should someone like him replace Wenger. Imagine a manager that does his homework on the opposition, actually has a game plan, coaches discipline in to his players, gets rid of the deadwood, identifies and deals with serial under-performers like Walcott, doesn't take up to 10 years to get a top keeper in and then think what we have! I need something stronger then tea!

  94. jjetplane

    Mar 04, 2016, 14:15 #85382

    So disinterested in this insipid regime run by an accountant and a Trump clone that the joys in the PL are all now elsewhere. Hammers looking strong under a fantastic coach. Everton finally getting it together and playing some football that is almost as watchable as Stokelona who are by far a better footballing team than Arsene FC. Liverpool taking Citeh to the cleaners again and the lovely Cherries putting it up Koeman who has got a history for being a bit of a C%&* - like him though. So many good coaches around and then there is the odd man out - The Ostrich. Incredible and boring at the same time .... Even funnier now that the Totts are generally better than the Holloway Hornets (sic), will the real new Totts turn up Saturday. For the preservation of the Ostrich ........

  95. Tony Evans

    Mar 04, 2016, 14:13 #85381

    Got the bit between my teeth now! The only former great we will probably get back will be TH14. Is Thierry being groomed as Wenger's successor (puppet) with Wenger upstairs pulling his strings? My God I hope not - much as I loved him as a player he is not Arsenal manager material. Now where's that cup of tea!

  96. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 14:11 #85380

    Ron, Tony, too right, Those pussies wouldn't know what hit them, and you know something ? it/he might make men/players off them. I honestly believe if he were to step in now we'd win the league.

  97. Tony Evans

    Mar 04, 2016, 13:38 #85377

    George Graham would be welcomed back by me too, Ron, bungs or not. This lot wouldn't know what had hit them would they! I detest so many aspects of Wenger's rule and one of those aspects is how former Arsenal greats are frozen out of the picture. Keown did a great job as defensive coach back in 2006 and what was his reward? Yep the big E from paranoid Wenger because someone else was getting the credit for our solidity at the back. Surely there should be a place at Arsenal for the likes of Viera and Adams but of course the megalomaniac Wenger wouldn't allow any strong personalities in that might dare to question him. I'm making myself angry now so will stop and have a nice cuppa, and put all thoughts of Wenger out of my head!

  98. jeff wright

    Mar 04, 2016, 13:29 #85376

    mbg,I wish someone would make Syrupy Stan one .Starting by him finding a dead donkey's head in his bed... nude..nudge...wink wink..

  99. Ron

    Mar 04, 2016, 13:17 #85375

    I wonder of GG went to Tottenham just to get up the Arse Boards nose? We were lucky he didnt stay long. He d have made them strong i think. It was like Clough going to Leeds in its own way wasnt it. The Clubs culture, their players nor their fans were ever going to accept GG. I reckon GG knew it too but he had the balls and the gall to give it a shot.Not his best move though was it. He was too much and too good for them at the time. Good old GG. i d sack Wenger and have GG back tomorrow as an interim Coach.

  100. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 13:05 #85374

    Tony Evans, good post, it just goes to show the way this arrogant, egoistic French man we have as a manager has stripped this club bare (intentionally) of it's identity, culture, history, and traditions and moulded it (intentionally) into his own.

  101. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 12:53 #85372

    jw, you know what they say a managers traits rubs of on his players, coca cola have made him an offer he can't refuse.

  102. anthony walters

    Mar 04, 2016, 12:48 #85371

    was at all three semis v spurs in 87 the last one probably still my favourite arsenal match.i fear for tomorrow just don't believe any more wenger is the right man for the job he has taken us as far as he can.this is a good group of players i doñ't believe they are bottlers but they are in need of tough leadership and better organisation and balance and too .though all players make mistakes far too many errors of basic positioning ,when to pass when to shoot,turning backs when opponents shooting, etc are consistently being made and not dealt with or allowed to continue by wenger.ie first swansea goal mertesacker and ramsey .sanchez and ramsey gifting sloppy square passes or doing to much in our defensive third.basic errors time and again that are those of 10 year olds trying to impress rather than make decisions that are reading the situation .

  103. Tony Evans

    Mar 04, 2016, 12:37 #85369

    Thanks Robert - a great read as usual. I just wish Arsenal reminiscing didn't leave me feeling so flat; looking back at back at players I loved and teams that made me proud to be a Gooner and comparing them to this current lot is bound to make most fans feel sick as the proverbial parrot I suppose. Not looking forward to the game tomorrow - just hope they manage to surprise us.

  104. mbg

    Mar 04, 2016, 12:30 #85368

    Good read Robert and what better way to start your article than with the name George Graham oh to have him at this moment and time. wenger out.

  105. Ron

    Mar 04, 2016, 12:00 #85366

    1987 was a good yr. I had the dubious 'pleasure' of going to Wembley with 2 Spurs friends that yr. The Spurs fans swaggered to Wembley that day expecting to collect the Cup despite Coventry having already given them a pasting in the League a few weeks before up at Highfield Road. Sheer joy seeing Coventry win it. Best Cup Final ive ever been to and there's been none better since in my view. The so called Gerard ( still the media's blow boy) Final gets held up as such a Final. Never in a reign of Sundays was that more heroic than Coventry that day back in 87. Houchens header! Better than anything Gerard offered up v Hammers. PS Clive Allan had then and still has a very punchable face. Bit of a Smarmy sod i suspect!

  106. RedPig

    Mar 04, 2016, 11:52 #85365

    Rob thanks very much for these superb articles. Every one of them you do is excellent reading and I love the memories they bring back and the passion it stirs up inside me. However, it also highlights just how much the club has changed and how far they have moved away from their true identity in such a short space of time. Those old clip show real Arsenal players playing in a real Arsenal team. Tomorrow, whatever the result, we will see a Wenger team. They are now two very different things as far as I am concerned.

  107. Ron

    Mar 04, 2016, 11:28 #85363

    Yes, a good pro Gary Mabbutt was John. He was a quite bad diabetic too. Hard to maintain his career with that as he did at the top level. Spurs have had some great players and as a Club theyre fine. Theyve always had a bad lot of fans amongst their number though that has tainted them, as is expected from that catchment area.

  108. jeff wright

    Mar 04, 2016, 11:19 #85362

    Pete,the club has two big problems, Stan Kroenke and Arsene Wenger. While these pair run the show the problems will continue. We always have the worst injuries in the game and the reasons for this are not down to bad luck .Stupidity plays a large part ,there was no reason for Cech to go up for that corner at his age knowing that he might have to race back, if as is usually the case,we messed up on the corner kick and got hit on a counter attack. Jack can't tackle properly and is injury prone anyway his record proves it. So is Welbeck and he doesent score many goals anyway,so why sign him. Santi like Sanchez was overplayed by Wenger who has only got the likes of Ramsey and the past it injury plagued Arteta for cover for him. Cause and effects at work in all of this,bad luck can't be blamed for the never ending worst injury situation in football.

  109. John F

    Mar 04, 2016, 11:15 #85361

    Ron if only.You could see the passion and the pride for the shirt that team had. One of the clips has Gary Mabbutt showing a fine bit of sportsmanship in retrieving the ball and giving it back to the Arsenal player.I have always admired Mabbutt for his attitude and struck me as a decent chap who played the game the right way even if he did sound a bit like Worzel Gummidge .

  110. Ron

    Mar 04, 2016, 11:03 #85360

    I fancy a draw tomorrow 1-1 maybe. Its all being hyped up but i reckon it ll be a flat cagey affair. If there is a winner though its likely Tottenham. Could be a red card or two though and that might change it a bit. Glad im not going to that sh----le tomorrow. It ll all be kicking off no matter what the result.Wengers often pulled a result out of the hat just when hes needed one before now, but im guessing his and his players chins will be still be on their mardy arsed chests and collective bottom lips quivering. It doesn't take much for their morale to go limp does it Robert.

  111. Charles

    Mar 04, 2016, 11:00 #85359

    I don't have to read the article to know that we've let in a last-minute equaliser a million times in the last 20 years. But the manager never learns and we continue to throw away the points.

  112. Wear Your Colours

    Mar 04, 2016, 10:59 #85358

    Rob, these two articles bring back so many good memories of some fantastic victories at the Lane. The game you started today’s article with; our 2-1 victory in 1987 marked the ‘centenary’ of League fixtures between the two clubs. Prior to that game the head to head stats for League games between us were remarkably balanced as from Arsenal’s perspective it was… Played: 99, Won: 39, Drawn: 21, Lost: 39, For: 152, Against: 150. Since that victory put us one win ahead in the series we have put a little more distance between us and them in the fixture. Ahead of tomorrow’s game the current stats are… Played: 157, Won: 64, Drawn: 43, Lost: 50, For: 245, Against: 214. Let’s hope we make it victory number 65 tomorrow. COYG!

  113. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Mar 04, 2016, 10:48 #85357

    Ron; couldn't agree more mate. The early years under GG saw pace, power and defence. Sure could do with Steve Williams in that team tomorrow. Someone have a word with GunnerPete please, bring the poor fellow up to date re all things Arsenal. Ta.

  114. Ron

    Mar 04, 2016, 10:30 #85354

    Look at the quality of those goals in 1987....oh hang on, Arse FC never played dynamic football until Wengs arrived did we! Stevie Williams - oh for a player or two like him in amongst these pussies today! He wdt last a month under Wengs would he.

  115. GunnerPete

    Mar 04, 2016, 10:18 #85353

    How about we shout about the stupid way everyone in the press expect Arsenal to perform with the worst long term injury list any club has ever faced? Even after waiting most of the year for Welbeck, Wilshire, etc we then added Carzola, Ramsey, Walcott, Coquelin, Arteta and the OX to the list. We get three back after they have missed 'Half a season' and now lose our top two players for the Spuds match. The last time AFC lost to the Spuds in a big way was again with less than half a team. If the press is right we now face the Spuds without Cech, Koscielny, Wislhire, Carzola, OX, etc. I looked back over the past 6 season and found that amazingly AFC have been in similar position to this for every season??? Why. I cant remember the Invincibles having 6/10 monthly injuries ? Unless the reason for this weakness is found very soon we may not only finish way down the table but lose out on great players who will see that the club has a big problem.

  116. Peter Wain

    Mar 04, 2016, 9:59 #85352

    No chance tomorrow just a question of how many and where is the next win coming from with Czech out for four weeks?

  117. jeff wright

    Mar 04, 2016, 9:57 #85351

    What a big surprise ,Kos is out of the game at the lane of shame, he is not well again before a tough match away - but no surprise either to learn that he could be back against Hull next week.You don't win league titles with bottlers like this in the side.

  118. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Mar 04, 2016, 8:58 #85348

    I fancy tomorrow's game will follow either of the two scenarios: we go an early goal up and then bottle it 2nd half (as per last year) or they go a goal up and we huff and puff for 70 minutes.