Progress… At A Price

Online Ed: Arsenal Injury Woes Return in FA Cup Fifth Round Replay



Progress… At A Price


The real price of the failure to dispense with Hull in the first match of this FA Cup tie at home in February was paid last night with injuries to Aaron Ramsey, Per Mertesacker and Gabriel. Ramsey’s appears the most serious, although the phasing in of Mohammed Elneny, the development of Joel Campbell and the return to fitness of Danny Welbeck means the team can probably compensate for his absence in the short term.

As for the game, Hull could not play quite as defensively in front of their home crowd as they did in the first game of this tie. Even so, the Gunners enjoyed huge amounts of the possession. They did however require a gift to open the scoring by way of a suicidal ball to the keeper by Hull skipper Meyler, seized upon gleefully by Olivier Giroud to end his goal drought.

The game stayed at 1-0 for a long time, but was made safe by a second Giroud goal on the 70 minute mark. Two further goals came from Theo Walcott. It was an evening when two out of form forwards had the opportunity to partially redeem their reputations.

It was a relatively strong starting eleven, with significantly both Ozil and Alexis on the bench in case of need. It will be interesting to see what team selection decisions are made on Sunday. There is little doubt that the FA Cup now represents the club’s best chance of a happy ending to the season. Should they beat Watford, they will go into the semi-final draw with three from Palace, Reading, Everton, Chelsea, Manchester United and West Ham. To start without Ozil and Alexis might prove fatal, although the manager will view the trip to Barcelona as more important. Watford are safe in the Premier League, have a decent strikeforce, and will fancy their chances in the FA Cup. I suspect they will play as strong a line-up as they can and Arsenal will have to play well to beat them.

They will certainly have to play better at home than they did when Hull came visiting with a second string eleven. It was ironic that, playing on a rugby league pitch, Arsenal seemed to make easier work of Steve Bruce’s side. That was after the long spell of possession without much in the way of penetration in the first half. At 1-0, the makeshift defence of Flamini – Chambers – Monreal – Gibbs was a worry, but they got away with it. David Ospina had a decent match and has taken the opportunity to restore his own reputation with some good saves since coming in for the injured Petr Cech.

Theo’s two late goals showed us he has the capability to deliver, although the pressure was off by that time. He lacks consistency and cannot be relied upon. He has had so many chances that he has scored a hatful of goals in his Arsenal career. It’s like entering the lottery every week. You are going to get some money back sometimes, but with Theo you are looking at a tenner here or there, the occasional £50, but never the big prize. Still, credit to him for his control and finish for Arsenal’s third goal, which was a thing of beauty, especially with Joel Campbell’s assist.

The 7pm kick off probably meant a few days off rather than half days at work for the travelling support, but at least meant they would have got home a little earlier than normal. Arsenal took 2,500 fans to the game. The “Arsene Thanks For The Memories” banner was displayed at full time, and from what I could see, was not torn down by pro-Wengerites. Perhaps, they too, are disappointed by the predictable collapse of the Gunners’ title challenge and realize that the time has come for change. A third FA Cup triumph in a row would be a good note on which to bow out for the manager, as few can now see the Gunners being guided to another title under the current regime.

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  1. A Cornish Gooner

    Mar 11, 2016, 11:01 #86020

    Nick. I don't think that was the real Badarse. It was his impersonator, who for the last few weeks has just copied and pasted 'poems' from the web, the latest being 'The Most Boring Poem In The World' by Dave Whalen. Just as 'Snoopy' pasted a huge chunk of the article by Untold Arsenal's Tony Attwood recently.

  2. Nick

    Mar 11, 2016, 10:32 #86014

    Boringarse, aka badarse, is at it again I glanced at the first few " sentences" of his " post" and true to form he clumsily tries to hide personal insults in amongst his wife illiterate ravings, I suggest if you have something to say old boy that you SAY IT, instead of risking repetitive strain injury to your typing finger or thumb.Have you considered therapy old chap ? I'm sure it would be therapeutic for you. I'm of the opinion that Arsenites are addicts, and need counselling in the same way as other poor souls addicted to things that damage their body and soul need help to rejoin the healthy part of society that knows no one is above criticism yet I fear poor boringbackside may be too far gone lost in his adoration and unconditional love for a man who in no way reciprocates that love, he should have our sympathy not derision.

  3. GoonerRon

    Mar 10, 2016, 23:36 #86006

    @ Alsace - "Unfortunately for Arthur Webster, his absolute refusal to have more than three people who can play in central defence". Koscielny, Mertesacker, Gabriel and Chambers to name but four. Oops.

  4. Badarse

    Mar 10, 2016, 22:58 #86003

    It's really me this time folks.Do you put your cart before the horse Do you cast pearls before swine Do you let things run their course Are you just in the nick of time A stupid WOR A WOR who only believes what he wants. Is it out of the frying pan Or over the rainbow Is it water under the dam Is it what you say or what you know Ye know nothing you only moaney Are you Under the weather Or are you up and away Is it age before beauty Is it time to make hay Have you ever even played the game Put your nose to the grindstone Are your Boots on the ground If your foots in your mouth Where’s your tongue to be found A very very opinionated WOR Got your back to the wall Got your Tit in a wringer Are you Over the hill Are you still a humdinger Is it Much ado about nothing Are you over the hump On pins and needles Or down in the dump Are you over the moon, Or Up the creek Down the tubes Or clumsy as a geek Are you down on your luck Or are you up and away Are you Through and through Or king for a day Out of luck Are you under the gun Into the fire Or are you under the sun At this point I’ve got to tell you my friend You really must be dumb as a clam If you read this to the very end You’re even more boring than I am.We're Gooner win the cup.

  5. Jamerson

    Mar 10, 2016, 18:54 #85991

    Are the WOBs still being outsmarted by Untold Arsenal.A bit of a pasting taken over the last couple of days for the poor old dreamers of dreams.jeff having to create a bit more spin than normal,where's Badarse gone or at least I thought his impersonator would have made an appearance.

  6. John Gage

    Mar 10, 2016, 17:27 #85985

    Westlower, there is no doubt that some injuries may be due to simple bad luck. But surely a factor must be that several of Arsenal players have terrible injury records stretching back over many years. Wilshere has suffered 11 injuries over 8 years and been injured for 890 days. Arteta has suffered 15 injuries and been injured for 714 days. Aaron Ramsey has been injured 9 times and been injured for 485 days. Despite the fact they are injury prone Wenger keeps persisting with them with the result that he overplays the other players leading to injury to the other players too. One of the hallmarks of this manager is an excessive loyalty to his players.

  7. Ron

    Mar 10, 2016, 14:52 #85978

    Westlower isnt excited by fast paced breaking footie, solid defending (he doesnt need that, its 'bus parking') or hard tackling players (he doesnt need them, theyre all 'lard arses or hairy arsed'). No, its 'entertainment' only for him and only then, if its Wenger fuelled. He does the love the phrase bus parking though. Ironic really seeing as it was first coined by his favourite Coach, non other than Mr Mourinho ... erm, oh sorry 'Maureen'. So many contradictions to Westlower. I do doubt that he really believes his own posts.

  8. Jamerson

    Mar 10, 2016, 14:44 #85974

    It has been quite interesting reading over the last few days,seeing the likes of poor old jeff, Mark the nark and Bard getting run rings round by the UA boys,you couldn't make it up as the saying goes.Fact will always conquer fiction and the prophet is always greater than the dreamer of dreams.

  9. Alsace

    Mar 10, 2016, 14:24 #85971

    A win for the third year in a row in the Cup Final will simply be seen by the manager as a green light for more of the same. He is an elderly gentleman who regards Arsenal as a sort of retirement home. So long as he receives his pension of £8 million a year so that he can buy his Werthers Original butter mints, and has a nice (long) warm coat for the winter, he will be annoying the C**P out of us for many years to come. Unfortunately for Arthur Webster, his absolute refusal to have more than three people who can play in central defence is going to come badly unstuck against a physically strong Watford side. Two consecutive home defeats and a stiff tonking in the Camp Nou will deliver him into the AMG's hands for (verbal) slaughter. The luckiest man in football has rode that luck for many years, but you can't keep ignoring the fundamentals and survive. Arsenal have been given chance after chance after chance after chance in the League this season and on precisely no occasions has the team grabbed the opportunity to seize the initiative before Guardiola arrives. Only Leicester City stand between a competently managed Tottenham Hotspur and the League Title. Happily, the away support seems to be coming to sense and are turning against Webster. If that is the case then it has been a very long time coming and they are pretty late to the party. His chances have improved with the injury to Ramsey however , who together with Walcott has stunk the place out for months. I would like to see Iwobi get more of a chance, and for the sake of his career progression, we need to get shot of Webster as fast as possible. Is anyone else planning a party for that golden shining day?

  10. mbg

    Mar 10, 2016, 14:16 #85970

    Nick, there's some of them who will never see it, such is their support for TOF (even more than the club) that if he got us relegated they'd want him to stay and given the chance to get us back up again. wenger out.

  11. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 10, 2016, 14:04 #85967

    Where have all the Arsenite moonies gone? I was quite enjoying the freak show

  12. Nick

    Mar 10, 2016, 11:54 #85959

    Exactly Westflower, Leicester are a good TEAM, they work and fight for each other are well organised and in Vardy and Mahrez have a potent goal threat, they counter at speed and don't slow the move down by passing sideways or backwards, they admittedly are not a tippy, tappy passing side but most of the games ive seen them in are full blooded affairs with no quarter asked or given. They fully deserve to be where they are. We always look at our best when we play at a high tempo, crisp , incisive forward passing, ala manure red at home untill Wengers half time team talk saw us revert to type. All our best performance in recent years have come when we have pressed and played at a high tempo,working as hard OFF the ball as with it ,, yet for some reason playing that way is a rarity and usually when we've had bad results and need a response, its simply not how Wenger likes to play, he prefers to play games at a sedate pace prioritizing possession, this has led to some torpid starts and on occasion a few spankings , Wenger is a master at locking the stable door after the horse has bolted hence the frequency of these " We must respond" games ! Leicester City are proving that money is not the obstacle to success as we have been led to believe, your argument about game frequency and volume is nullified by the fact that a wealthy club like ours should have quality players in abundance to rotate to cope with the extra games nullifying Leicester and sides like theme advantage, except Wenger chose to go into a season with two old and injury plagued midfielders and a young injury ravaged midfielder, a long term.injury to a striker too without insuring against further injury setbacks , with our recent record with.injuries this was sheer folly, and THAT is why we are now in position where we have only a mathematical chance of the title, and are facing our annual first round knockout stage exit in the C.L. , Yet you and your fellow Arsenites continue to find excuse after excuse for Wenger if his abilities were in question in a court of law the evidence against him would be overwhelming despite his earlier glories, what will it take ? How many mistakes must he make ? How many more title " challenges" must we see implode before you and your other Arsenite minions wake up and smell the coffee?

  13. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 10, 2016, 11:25 #85956

    GooonerRon, I think the main point there would the culture that's been created, that 4th is good enough.

  14. GoonerRon

    Mar 10, 2016, 10:15 #85954

    North upper corner - let's face it, there are supporters, directors and players of bigger or comparably sized clubs as ours i.e. Man U and Liverpool who would much prefer to finish 4th than win certain trophies. We've been lucky in that we've had one for 19 years and in addition to trophies in many of those years too. I think the celebrations at the end of the Newcastle game were more relief than anything. For weeks before there was so much speculation in the media and amongst fans (rightly or wrongly) about how catastrophic it would be to not qualify for the CL league. If to not qualify is seen as catastrophic then when the opposite happens it's fair to say there will be some sort of reaction to the contrary from the players.

  15. mbg

    Mar 10, 2016, 9:37 #85952

    north upper corner, good post, the fact TOF still can't do it even with all those advantages tells us all we need to know about him, but still some are too blinkered to see it even after all these years such is they're support for him and not the club.

  16. Tony Evans

    Mar 10, 2016, 8:33 #85950

    Gaz / mbg - the tide is definitely turning against Wenger but we have been here before.....fingers crossed!

  17. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 10, 2016, 6:28 #85948

    Snoopy - what you are finding here is real life, even Arseblog has said he needs to go and various others like Le Grove , ANR follow a Wenger out view. Therefore if you want a Wenger love in stick to UA. We did have a chap on here who was always trying to convert called Badarse. He has since disappeared. I mention him as he was always going on about bullying yet he felt free to call us all sorts of names and then would get the huff if we didn't see his point of view. I think this is what a bully is to you. Someone who gives it back. I suspect you are actually a bully and like most bullies don't like it when you meet people who won't back down

  18. north upper corner

    Mar 09, 2016, 23:54 #85947

    Wenger was finished the day he described 4th place as a trophy and then those pathetic celebrations at Newcastle on the final day in 2013. That's what he's reduced us to. With him in charge this is all we'll ever have. In a season where Man City are inconsistent, Chelsea have imploded and Man Ute are not very good he has tried his best to mess it up completely. But he doesn't care. The fans are an irrelevance to him because we haven't worked half a day in football. Familiarity for him really does breed contempt. How long wild he last under Abramovich? 3 months I reckon. Only the pathetic and spineless board here would indulge him as long as they have.

  19. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 23:21 #85944

    Nick T, your spot on there, you can be dammed sure TOF has issued orders that that banner never sees the light of day again, his gestapo will be issued with surgical gloves for the next home game to make sure it's not smuggled in, and the AKB wengerites will be bending over 100 yds before they even reach the turnstiles, it will be like an OAP convention.

  20. Snoopy

    Mar 09, 2016, 23:11 #85943

    As a reader of both UA and from this week OG.Both have well written articles,yet the OG seems swamped by despotic AW hating blinkered bullies.

  21. Gaz

    Mar 09, 2016, 22:45 #85942

    Over on Twitter I must have seen 20/30 polls on Wenger's future with anything between 50 and 5000 voters and in every one the majority of voters want Wenger to leave. Just now seen another with well over 22000 voters and once again the majority want him to leave. Must admit that's really surprised me...

  22. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2016, 22:21 #85940

    leeky ,no the AFC latin motto is Victoria Concordia Crescit. This translates into , Victory Comes Through Harmony . Not much sign of any harmony among the players and Wenger - or with the supporters . Stick to supporting your own club Leek FC is my advice Leek FC - or go and watch Stoke they are closer to home for you - we don't need any more obsessed with an odd Frenchman weirdos -we already have enough of them.

  23. Gaz

    Mar 09, 2016, 22:10 #85939

    mbg-I think we need to start addressing untold Arsenal as it really is-a cult dedicated to Wenger. I honestly can't think of any other way of describing them...

  24. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 22:00 #85938

    Gaz, great post, the untold moonies have very conveniently forgot about all that (what's new) they never let facts like that stand in they're way when they're trying to defend they're messiah, although it makes a change from the referee conspiracy's. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  25. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 09, 2016, 21:48 #85936

    Leeks - I trust Wenger as well , to finish in the top 4. Against the mighty financial power house of Leicester. MBG - is a top supporter who recognises there is a life before and after Le Loser, unlike you who would probably go into meltdown and abandon Arsenal if Wenger popped his cloggs.

  26. leek fc

    Mar 09, 2016, 21:38 #85935

    MBG. very similar then, when a supporter of mr Wenger has an opinion on here that doesnt reflect the feeling of the negatives on here. its deleted as fast as you can read it. Having read your comments over the last few months. You bring nothing to the table other than hatred and bile towards ARSENAL. FACT. end of.

  27. leek afc

    Mar 09, 2016, 21:23 #85933

    so take it on board mr wright. leek fc are not disimilar the the AFC. ARTE FAVENTE NIL DESPERANDUM.''IN ARSENE WE TRUST''

  28. Gaz

    Mar 09, 2016, 21:06 #85932

    Shaymouse-'He includes reaching the last eight of the European Cup four times in the last decade (only previously done once in the club’s history).' I read as far as this and realised the rest was going to be complete bollox. Chapman had no euro football, GG's sides were denied football for five years and of course neither of them had the luxury of a top four finish gaining entry into it! In all seriousness I'm at a complete and utter loss as to how those who frequent Untold Arsenal still hold such unreserved faith in Wenger. It's quite bizarre and a little bit weird if truth be known. He's not the greatest manager ever, hell its debatable as to whether he's the greatest ever manager at Arsenal! He was good-very good-and now he's not so good. Replacing him won't be the worst thing ever despite their reservations. Reading some of the articles and accompanying comments it's hard not to believe that their loyalty is to Wenger rather than the Club. That's not only crazy but if truth be known a little creepy...

  29. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 20:59 #85931

    I know it will never happen (we'd never lower ourselves)but imagine if some of us on here went over to untold and started telling the truth (you can just imagine the premature ejaculations) how long our posts would last.

  30. Nick T

    Mar 09, 2016, 20:52 #85930

    mbg - you can bet club officials are speaking with police/stewards right now thinking of ways to ensure the banner doesn't find its way into ANY ground. Judging by the reaction on social media in the last 24 hours I suppose its understandable from a police point of view......otherwise its surely only a matter of time before theres a huge scrap amoungst gooners in an away end?

  31. Hiccup

    Mar 09, 2016, 20:05 #85928

    Oh thank God for an Arsenal win at last! Weeks of pent up frustration being ejaculated all over this site from long term absentees and their new found friends from Untold. Last night's groundbreaking victory might even be enough to tempt baddie and coldsore back again and give the excuse making machine Westie a well earned break?

  32. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 09, 2016, 19:57 #85927

    Dear Mr Leek, I'm not sure where this battering is coming from. I certainly feel my usual chipper self. Unfortunately the stat no titles in 12 years still remains. You may also like to see my stat re Leicester as it appears we are done for as even a total Leicester collapse gives us s theoretical 33% chance due to City and Spurs. The Leicester situation is why Wenger (who is bored by the way) is having so many problems as the money and resource arguament goes out the window. It's s but like the Indy 500 where the cars are virtually identical it becomes a pure driver v driver and so we have Claudio and to an extent Potechino (spelling) showing up Wenger very badly. Out of interest I flicked through the banner articles in the press and where there was a poll all are showing a majority wanting him out. This is even with very pro Wenger lines in some papers. As we mentioned before if it can kick off like this over a victory you must be ****ting yourself at the thought of a bad defeat.

  33. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2016, 19:43 #85926

    Leek FC, just in case you are unaware of this, Leek is a market town in the county of Staffordshire, England, on the River Churnet. It is situated about 10 miles (15 km) north east of Stoke-on-Trent. It is an ancient borough and was granted its royal charter in 1214. It is the administrative centre for the Staffordshire Moorlands District Council. King John granted Ranulph de Blondeville, 6th Earl of Chester, the right to hold a weekly Wednesday market and an annual seven-day fair in Leek in 1207. Leek's coat of arms is made up of a Saltire Shield. On the top is the Stafford Knot, either side is the Leek "Double Sunset" and below a gold garb. The crest is a mural crown with three Mulberry leaves on a Mount of Heather on top of which a Moorcock is resting his claw on a small-weave Shuttle. The motto 'ARTE FAVENTE NIL DESPERANDUM' translates to: Our skill assisting us, we have no cause for despair. The local football club is named Leek FC .Supporters are known as Leek Soupers and are known to be delusional believing in such things as the Earth is flat and other conspiracy theories -some even believe that they support other clubs this can lead to problems in the local pub The Leek and Carrot Arms when Man United and Arsenal or other big clubs games are on the telly -fisti-cuffs are not uncommon the landlord Sid James says ,it's only safe to use plastic glasses it all kicks off once one of the Leek Soupers teams scores . I have to wear a tin helmet and safety goggles.... Tourists are advised by HM government to avoid visiting Leek as their safety can not be guaranteed .

  34. Bard

    Mar 09, 2016, 19:27 #85923

    The answer to the 12 years without a prem title is simple,injuries, bad luck and bent refs. Not surprised there are refugees from Untold A all that bending down is exhausting

  35. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 19:15 #85922

    Westlower, you seem to be confused (nothing new there) as to who the batsman i'm referring to is. Six.

  36. Nick T

    Mar 09, 2016, 19:15 #85921

    All this uproar to the banner last night is unbelievable especially from certain individuals who have at times absolutely slaughtered Wenger over the last couple of months such as Wrighty, Cross....I'm Wenger Out but, whilst I obviously do not agree with their opinion, I have respect for those who are and always have been staunch Wenger In - the ones I find ridiculous are those who will slate him one minute only to get down on their hands and knees and forgive/forget everything after our next win!! The team did show some stones at sp*rs last weekend but the credit some have given them for it is incredible....were talking about THE NLD FFS should it not be a given?!?! The day we start giving players credit for turning up in a game against that lot is a sad state of affairs indeed! In terms of the actual banner itself its surely the most tame footballing 'protest' banner of all time....as many have commented on already the hypocracy of those against it, including presumably the club/board, whilst allowing/supporting the Usmanov banner INSIDE the ground is astounding....and this is a bloke who actually owns a significant slice of the f*cking club!!!! Anyway fair play to the banner boys..stick to your guns chaps

  37. Mark From Aylesbury

    Mar 09, 2016, 19:06 #85920

    I pinched this stat - (Leicester are currently averaging 2.07 points a game. Arsenal 1.79) this means even if Leicester wobble we need virtual maximum points in all remaining games. If Leicester collapse we also have to fight off City and Spurs so title appears highly unlikely. Well done Wenger, well done. At least your players are now meeting in secret and not all together either (cliques) looks like it is poisonous in the camp

  38. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 09, 2016, 19:05 #85919

    Too easy for the AKBs to respond to the previous 11 years with the usual 'financial constraints and clubs with more resources' argument. Focus on this season, where neither of them apply to this challenge. 'Why would you still want Wegner to continue after this season if he can't win the league in such extraordinarily advantageous circumstances?' is the question to ask. And somebody teach leek fc how to follow an argument, he's under some serious misapprehension.

  39. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 19:03 #85918

    Exeter, yes indeed mate, they're on the run now alright, the fact TOF's biggest apologists have to come on here (and even tell us where their from too) to try (miserably) to defend they're messiah tells us all we need to know. wenger out.

  40. leek fc

    Mar 09, 2016, 18:56 #85917

    Love it, just love it. The negatives are getting a right battering today. They don't like it up em. See, the problem is, not everybody sees mr Wenger as a failure. Maybe just a handful of losers on Online Gooner.

  41. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 09, 2016, 18:49 #85916

    Actually Westie I should have said Pullis with Stoke. The problem is 6th biggest team on planet , largest match day revenue, largest membership Along with Benfica...... No titles in 12 years. If Wenger had converted 2 of these runs into titles in last 12 years suspect the WOB's would be very minor but it is this terrible stat that I believe is being discussed at senior levels is his damning evidence. Here is a questions more or less previously posed. 1:)Do you believe Wenger can win a title? 2:) if you feel it is unlikely that Arsene will win a title (for whatever reason ) would you keep him? There are still people who would answer yes to question 2 and still keep him! Total madness. If you think he's unlikely to win again bin him! At the end of the day we cannot play at being a big club with such limited horizons

  42. Westlower

    Mar 09, 2016, 18:33 #85914

    @mbg, I wouldn't be too confident about your best batsman performing, as your fellow countrymen couldn't beat Oman at cricket. Best check your duck speed.

  43. Torbay gooner

    Mar 09, 2016, 18:21 #85913

    To the Snoopys, Shaymouses and Jakes of this world I would put one simple question. Why would you want Arsene Wenger to continue beyond the end of this season and not be replaced? Bearing in mind(and taking the view that the league title and Champions League progress to the quarters is looking rather unlikely!)

  44. 1971 Gooner

    Mar 09, 2016, 18:09 #85912

    As there would appear to be a 'Longest Post' competition (first prize being a picture of Denilson running) I will simply say: crap game, decent result and I too very much like the look of Elneny.

  45. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2016, 17:17 #85910

    Well Sean the journo's could have pointed out in reply to your rather tunnel-vision one dimension Arsene Knows Best claims - that changing manager helped Chelsea and Liverpool to improve their results. Sticking with Wenger because he makes the Champions League qualifier tie or finishes 3rd on occasion is just accepting mediocrity and shows a fear of change . When we are 11 points behind Leicester on Monday and out of Europe on Wednesday ,what do you suggest that Arsene should say when asked about this >? We already know the answers actually,he blames the other clubs in the Prem for not beating Leicester for his excuse for being so far behind them ( you couldn't make it up) and our players being 'naive' for losing to Barcelona 2-0 at home . Nothing to do with him see .Anyway,sunbeam , why not provide some more amusement by giving us YOUR views on what he should really say. Come on now don't be shy !

  46. CORNISH GOONER

    Mar 09, 2016, 17:12 #85909

    There seem to be a few more & "new" AKBs on here today & as my last 3 offerings have been unceremoniously redacted (& I do check my spelling & punctuation), I feel I should perhaps be more positive & cut out the smart remarks. I also apologise for repeatedly referring to our Leader by an incorrect name. So, I thought the team were efficient, showed mental strength, technical quality & great spirit. Nice banner too. If this doesn't make it past the Thought Police then I will conclude by wishing all long term, true Arsenal supporters a very Happy Easter.

  47. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 09, 2016, 17:12 #85908

    That the Untold Arsenal zealots keep coming on here is a sure sign of their growing panic and fear...

  48. Sean deir

    Mar 09, 2016, 16:48 #85907

    Great to see other managers in the game like Bruce supporting Wenger. I have to admit I get angry every time I see Piers Morgan linked as an Arsenal fan. He's got the biggest mouth but never supports Arsenal! I actually can't remember him saying one good thing about Arsenal or Arsene Wenger, and if he did it was a backhanded compliment. I actually have a different opinion in regards to the Arsène Wenger statement you mentioned "what I find just boring....". I actually emailed the club, saying that Arsène Wenger should have used that opportunity to take control of the room again. Answering in that manner let the media make up the narrative instead and control the questioning. A PR rep should have provided Arsène Wenger with different talking points for responses to possible uncomfortable questions. For example, he could have responded with something like: “This is the only statement I will like to make on this matter: 19th, 10th, 20th, 16th, and 16th were the positions of clubs that changed managers this year. Can you tell me how you guys avoid the pressure? Every week, it seems, a manager of a club competing for the league title is asked to answer questions about job security because of a vocal minority, but you guys ignore the signed requests of over 100,000 fans. I am sure the majority of Arsenal supporters will be behind this team to get the most points and hopefully lift the title at the end of the season. Next question please.” If further pressed for details of the above statement (e.g. clubs that changed managers/100,000 signatures), Arsène Wenger can reply with a smile, “Come on now, you know I can’t do your job as well.” If Arsène Wenger is asked, how he knows the majority of supporters are behind the club, he can respond, “What supporter would not want their team to win all their matches”. Could have been used as a rallying call to get the banner-wankers (thanks Rantetta) in line.

  49. Wenger Must Go

    Mar 09, 2016, 16:45 #85906

    Happy to be through to the next round. Still, Wenger, Kronke and Gazidis out.

  50. GoonerRon

    Mar 09, 2016, 16:21 #85905

    @ Mark - how is a cap at £30 for away tickets not 'a step in the right direction' as westlower put it? Of course it's a step in the right direction from £62 away tickets at the Emirates, or worse still, West Ham charging us £60 for a restricted view ticket later this month or Everton charging nearly £50 to have your knees ripped off against the wooden seats in front of you and swimming in the piss of 3,000 other people in their decrepid toilets.

  51. Westlower

    Mar 09, 2016, 16:11 #85903

    @Mark, It's yet another anti- Wenger myth that Allardyce has a good record v AW. Big Sam has won 4 times in 28 attempts to AW's 17. Wengers average win % is 57.5, against Allardyce it rises to 60.7, so he actually performs better than average against his supposed nemesis. Maybe he did learn how to counter head tennis?

  52. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 16:08 #85902

    Tee hee every sad argument/excuse batted for a six and we still have one of out best batsmen to take the crease yet. Six.

  53. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 15:55 #85900

    jw, excellent point, well said, where are they indeed, with all this scrambling about barrel scraping trying to defend they're messiah not one banner wanting him to stay,or even (we love you arsene) that tell us everything. wenger out.

  54. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 09, 2016, 15:51 #85899

    5 Arsenal players held a secret meeting no Wenger present or indeed other players. It might have helped turn a result around but this also smells of cliques forming. His days are numbered. Up the Arsenal down with Arsene

  55. Bard

    Mar 09, 2016, 15:49 #85898

    Snoopy i am all in favour of evidence based argument. 12 years without a prem title. Pretty conclusive dont you think ?

  56. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2016, 15:43 #85897

    Hang on Snoopy,the only argument getting blown out of the water is Wenger's one that ,you need money to compete and that he is puling up trees finishing 4th every season in the league.Apart from his dismal 20 years of failure in Europe and the worst defeats in the history of AFC as well, Good old Arsene. 8M A YEAR FOR SPECIALIZING IN FAILURE.

  57. Arsenal Geezer

    Mar 09, 2016, 15:27 #85895

    Snoopy, Chelkski having one bad league season doesn't blow his argument out of the water. The whole point is wenger has failed in the league and champions league year after year after year, despite having the resources to at least make us genuine challengers. He chooses not too for his own reasons that defy belief. He is outdated and the club and the fans desperately need something new, not groundhog season again.

  58. JEFF WRIGHT

    Mar 09, 2016, 15:19 #85894

    Hang on Snoopy, we all know that Chelsea,apart fom against Arsene, underperformed earlier on with Mourinho in charge. Since he left and GH took over they are unbeaten in the league and have won more points than us .Apart from er,more trophies recently such as league titles and Euro Cups. Spot the difference.

  59. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 09, 2016, 15:15 #85892

    Jake - very eloquent but a lot of us have a problem with Wenger in that he appears to forever fail to learn from his mistakes as surely overall team performance is down to him. As Mourinho once said he would not go X amount of years continually failing to beat a team. He would of course adapt and we have seen this with his wins against Barcelona. Sadly both Fergie and Mourinho had Wenger firmly in their back pocket. Looks like Koeman is joining the group and even Aladyce had lots of success against him. He simply failed to learn and adapt. Next we have the frailty of both physical and mental attitude. Season after season combined with a small squad failing to adapt. Then we have his perceived ultra caution in the market (plenty of insider gossip about this) means he continually misses targets. Again failure to adapt. So Wenger can have the best win ratio ever but forgive me where are the titles? Looks like they blow up at pressure moments. I would also say that Wenger is trying to ring fence himself by being ultra corporate but all we get is failure to adapt again and this time it is social media. He is handling it poorly

  60. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 09, 2016, 15:09 #85891

    Jake, the anti-wenger argument is founded on something far more concrete than dragging everyone into an assumption. It is founded on self-evident failings repeated over and over and over. The AKBs refuse to acknowledge this manifest pattern even exists in ways that range from the sort of sophistry you're employing to simple blind rage that Wenger would even be questioned

  61. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2016, 15:08 #85890

    Jake,I did not write those comments that you refer to. My view on Wenger is that he should have retired years ago and that the longer he stays the more he tarnishes his legacy that he brought with him from Highbury - a football stadium - to the coliseum of profits. Wenger himself gives one of the reasons for him not having retired as being because he would be bored with not having anything to do. I don't see that as being a reason why he should stay and the truth is many supporters are bored themselves - with him .

  62. Snoopy

    Mar 09, 2016, 15:01 #85889

    Yet Chelsea on Chelsea type wages are 10th jeffy wright so that blows your aaa argument out of the water.

  63. Mark

    Mar 09, 2016, 15:00 #85888

    Westie are you kidding.Fan groups were asking for a £20 cap on away ticket prices.How much more money do these clubs want?£30 still too high

  64. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:57 #85887

    Oh dear another ramble in fluent Martian from an AKB wengerite really scraping the barrel this time in defence of their messiah, trying to blame the wenger out banner on non members, real low class. You really couldn't make it up.

  65. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:56 #85886

    snoopy - you obviously do read other people's comments (agenda or not) that's one of the reasons your angry, but please don't lie. 2nd problem you have is that nice cosy journalists such as Amy Lawrence are saying enough is enough so your comfort rug is being pulled away from you. Third thing is you are obviously very worried about the banners unlike Jamerson who thinks its an own goal. So in that regard you are better discussing this with him. Fourth point who cares a toss about how many or little away points the protesters have. Who cares. At least they went. You come across as a right little commissar still preaching the great works whilst all around you crumbles. You need to prepare for a Wengerless Arsenal.

  66. Jake

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:53 #85885

    Jeff, your argument applies the false logic that is seen fairly often here. As you rightly say at the start "Whether Arsene Wenger has done a good or bad job depends upon perspective." Quite so, and you put your own perspective very eloquently. Mine is different because I incorporate the fact that Wenger has a higher win ratio than any Arsenal manager who has managed over 100 league games - but each to his own. So you argue that"we should have been able to have done a lot better than we have" based on what you admit is your perspective. Fair enough. I think you are wrong, but there we are. But then, in the same piece you go on, accepting that your own argument is true, with the sentence, "Has that been the fault of Arsene alone". Now that only makes sense if your original assertion of how one should look at the situation is supported, so everything from that question onwards is based on an assumption at the beginning, and one that I think is invalid. This is the way the anti-Wenger campaign is being created. You blame the whole management for something that many people does not exist, but in writing that second paragraph you tend to draw people into the assumption. In essence, in well-conducted debate, the assumption is argued out first in a fulsome way, before the consequences are examined. But in football it seems it is now enough to say "here is my assumption" and then draw a strong conclusion, such as "He can't keep saying he's "bored.." that is an unfair answer to anyone who supports Arsenal." Yes he can if he doesn't accept your opening assumption. , no I don't believe so, the management since David Dein departed has not supported him in the same way as I understand. However, he is the figure head for Arsenal, and while he would be first to take the credit for any success, he must explain or at least address the issue of not being able to progress the club further in the EPLor ECL. He can't keep saying he's "bored.." that is an unfair answer to anyone who supports Arsenal.

  67. Westlower

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:51 #85884

    Step in the right direction that away tickets to be capped at £30 for the next three seasons.

  68. jeff wright

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:48 #85883

    Hang on Snoopy never mind the banner telling Wenger to go - what I want to know is where are the ones asking him to STAY ! My guess is that Wenger is only a couple of bad results away from a mass revolt by supporters. I don't include the forthcoming Barca away in this because everyone, bar poor deluded souls such as Colseyboy and lee kfc ,did not expect Wenger to win the tie. However, many did expect a proper challenge for the league and that bird has flown once again come the ides of March .Also winning the FAC again will not be easy this time around - Wenger needed a replay to beat a second string Hull championship outfit for whom promotion is their main target so let's hope he doesent draw Chelsea or Everton next time .That is if we beat Watford of course. The FAC is once again though Wenger's only hope of silverware and winning FA Cups is not what a manager on 8m a year with a squad on Chelsea type wages should be doing every season.So no FA Cup this season will leave le emperor wearing no clothes .Even the most hard on AKB's will be able to see that.I can't see what difference it makes if someone has away credits or not regarding protests -unless Snoopy you are suggesting that the ones who do are not that bright and easily satisfied with Wenger the specialist in failure staying on and on... surely there must be more to life than this>?

  69. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:38 #85881

    This ridiculous notion exists that because someone has been doing something for a long time and has achieved in the past, they are beyond criticism for their present performance (this is the essence of Bruce's defence). So the individual is placed on a pedestal, and out of that grows something akin to a religious cult. Sadly we see that with a section of the AFC fanbase today. And it's not just the young who have only known Wenger, we can see from comments on here that those whose support precedes Wenger by decades can also be affected.

  70. Arsenal Geezer

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:25 #85878

    mbg-I think Snoopy must be on the same day out. I still can't get my head around what it is that frightens them about changing a manager who is so out of touch with reality.

  71. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:21 #85877

    Snoopy, you want a presentation of evidence, I present you with the performances and results. There's your evidence based approach. The truth is on the pitch, as Shankley said.

  72. John F (no credits away fan)

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:19 #85876

    Hi Nick, Ramsey was jogging up and down at the end of the first half. What was interesting Ozil and Sanchez were also warming up smiling and chatting to each other. In contrast Ramsey did not look very happy and did not even have any eye contact with either of them preferring to jog on his own. Using my powers of deduction based on my very limited body language skills he either does not get on with Sanchez or felt something wrong then.

  73. Arsenal Geezer

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:13 #85874

    Snoopy, aside from your obvious distaste for the media, what is the point you are trying to make. Repeating the comments of Steve Bruce does not justify what Wenger has been doing repeatedly for many years on £8 million a year.

  74. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:12 #85873

    Arsenal Geezer 90799, good retort, have you ever heard anything like that ? best ignore he's on day release getting used to the outside world again.

  75. Snoopy

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:05 #85871

    when a dozen or so supporters make one of their banners and hold it up at the end of a victorious night, announcing that it is time for Mr Wenger to leave, you know it will get maximum publicity while evidence based approach's gets no coverage. It’s not the first time this group has done this – and it is possible now to put together a picture of who these people are. The last time I saw it was against West Brom away in the league cup. 24 September 2013. The fact that the bannerians have chosen these two matches tells us something. It is more than likely that they are either non-members or they don’t have any away credits on their membership. Of course I can’t prove that (I just say “more than likely”), but it is noticeable that these were the two games which have gone for zero credits. (In case you are not familiar with the system, when tickets for away games go on sale they first are allocated to away seat season ticket holders. Then they are allocated according to the number of other away matches the member has been to. It is rare for a ticket to be available with no away credits – it happens for early round Euro games in Turkey and other countries where there are safety issues, but not too many others). So they come, they put up their banner, and the media cover it. The problem is a banner is not an argument, let alone a presentation of evidence. Nor, let us remember, is it much of a way of getting what you want. Remember Egypt in 2011, great hope for democracy, lots of banners, the Brotherhood take over and by 2013 you had a military dictatorship. Fortunately we just cover football – its a bit safer. Not all banners are bad however. I have the picture of elderly people protesting under a banner that says, “What do we want?” with the answer “We’ve forgotten” below it. The older I get the more I like that. Back with football, Mr Wenger’s response to it all has been excellent of course. “I have no problem to cope with everything but I find that a bit boring in the end. I always have to convince you that I am good enough.” Not that he has to convince other managers in the league as it turns out. It has become clearer and clearer of late how much they admire him, but the dozen or so zero-credit away fans and their allies in the media had their day. Even Phil Brown, who launched a raft of attacks on Arsenal and Mr Wenger when he was at Hull, was in conciliatory mood on BT Sprout last night. So what can those of us do to counter the negative publicity that the aaa, the zero credit banner wavers and the media give to the club? In the end apart from go to matches (and of course I fully appreciate that many dedicated supporters can’t, and I do know how lucky I am to be able to go), all we can do is expose the lack of logic and lack of evidence in the anti-Wengerian arguments. The recent press conferences are a case in point. Read the media and you see Mr Wenger losing his cool, raging against the modest, moderate journalists who are just doing their job. What he actually said was “What I find just boring is always sitting here after 19 years to face: ‘Do you think you are good enough?’” I am not on Twitter. I don’t invite anybody to go out to dinner and be nice with them. I work and work and work and work. If it’s not good enough, someone will tell me one day. That’s all I can do. I do not worry what you say about me or what fans say about me. I try to do my job in a proper way and with full commitment. After that everybody has the right to have an opinion. “I cannot influence the behaviour of the fans. How can I do that? I don’t know. I am humble enough every day to question myself, to accept my mistakes and, believe me, I do that. After that there is no coincidence that the people who own the club tell me to be here for 19 years. Do you think they are more stupid than you or me? I feel privileged to have the confidence of the club for such a long time. I work seven days a week with full commitment. That’s all I can do.” The problem is, the media is packed with soothsayers and mind-readers. Amy Lawrence in the Guardian for example says, “Deep down, though, he is not immune to the weight of expectation.” OK Amy, you are a superb journalist, so please tell me. How do you know? It can’t be a twitch of the shoulders or a crooked smile, because it is “Deep down.” I have to say, most of the time I have no idea what even I myself feel deep down, because I’m an emotional guy and my mood can change. Deep down… that’s tough. And a few other things along those lines. Steve Bruce on the other hand was good yesterday. He said, “From inside the game you’re not going to hear people criticising him because, when you’re in management as long as he’s been with what he’s achieved, who is anyone to criticise him? I find it appalling that they can. For me he would only get one thing and that is respect. It’s a blame culture now. Managers get the sack after 12 weeks. I don’t know why we’re questioning him. He’s been one of the great managers that this country has seen.”

  76. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 14:02 #85868

    Shaymouse, are you badarse in disguise with a gobbledegook post like that, and your point is.

  77. Wardy

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:58 #85865

    Snoopy .... I've no idea what cavil is but i can assure you I love Arsenal and have no agenda at all, I just don't want to see Kroenke and now AW continue as we have for at least the last 4 seasons where there are no excuses for having a fully fit, motivated, hard to beat, proud squad, we have the talent but no leaders/spine and it's been painfully obvious where the shortcomings are for a while. Kroenke must go and we need a managerial change to kick this squad into life !

  78. GoonerRon

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:58 #85864

    A pretty good performance overall. Was impressed with Chambers, Elneny and especially Iwobi - he has got so much poise for such a young player. Pleased to see some goals from Giroud and Walcott, hopefully this instils a bit more confidence into their game. As for prioritising the Barca game over the Watford game, I think Wenger will go strong in both, but probably with a couple of tweaks (i.e. Giroud to play Watford, Welbeck to play Barca)

  79. Ron

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:50 #85863

    Chelsea didn't 'excite' you either Westie did they. Your descriptions of their football displayed a close to psychopathic resentment. Its Arsene or nothing for you isnt it.

  80. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:49 #85862

    Exeter, the AKB's actually believe all these little stats and excuses (and odds)it's they're comfy blanket you see, that lets them think that's what the problem is, and everything's alright and going to be alright, and if it wasn't for all these things happening to us and hampering their poor messiah he and we would be the best in Europe and cleaning up, yes they actually believe that. You couldn't make it up, and just wait until goal line technology and proper time keeping comes in that will definitely make everything alright and make us great, they actually believe that too. You really couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  81. Arsenal Geezer

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:46 #85861

    Snoopy, the only agenda most of us have it is to want the best for our team. Saying nothing and letting the spine and heart be ripped out of this club by Wenger and Kronke should not be allowed. The staleness around the club currently is obvious to most of us. We need a fresh approach that is not all about squeezing every pound of the supporters for them to line their own pockets and then false promises every year. If you don't like it don't come on here.

  82. CT Gooner

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:45 #85860

    So if winning domestically is easier when you're not in Europe, why are we constantly celebrating 4th?? All it gets us is a tight fixture list. We know why, the money. This is why the club has to change, spend the available resources to compete or be honest with the players and supporters that Arsenal does not exist to be triumphant....

  83. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:41 #85859

    'How everything Arsene does is brilliant and perfect and only bad luck and dark, conspiring external forces stop him winning everything every season' A one eyed, sycophantic analysis by Shaymouse (copy and pasted from Untold Arsenal)

  84. Snoopy

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:38 #85857

    I tend not to even read articles and comments made by those with clear agendas.These people feel they always have to be heard with their constant cavil.Try leaving it alone if you have such an aversion to everything Arsenal leaving those who still find enthusiasm in the club in peace.

  85. VillageGooner

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:37 #85856

    Are you kidding us, Shaymouse? How can you write with a straight face that "Why back away from signing Morgan Schneiderlin last summer?' is just as daft. He has Gabriel, coming through as a Brazil international and a player who is going to be with Arsenal for a long time, and Koscielny, now voted into the top 100 players in the world, and described by Wenger as his best buy in the last 10 years. So buying Schneiderlin means not playing one of those two. Its a dumb point – you can’t have Gabriel Kos and Schneiderlin and keep them all happy." Last time I looked Gabriel and Koscielny are central defenders and Schneiderlin is a holding/defensive midfielder. How does keeping Gabriel and Koscielny happy have anything to do with Schneiderlin. Moreover, even if Schneiderlin could have been deputized on occasion to cover in central defense, how would that be a bad thing?? Neither Gabriel or Koscielny has covered himself in glory over the past few weeks and having a better 5th option than Monreal would be a plus, particularly if it means subjecting Monreal to possible injury in his role as a 5th central midfielder as was the case yesterday.

  86. Arsenal Geezer

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:35 #85855

    Wardy- nice one, I expect Westlower believes you are being serious. CB- I agree having read that long winded load of tripe. What the hell was the point in all that rambling.

  87. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:27 #85853

    I haven't seen anyone trying to make out Leicester are a great team. What they are, are a team that is more than the sum of its parts and thus overachieving. The issue is trying to make out that AFC failing is somehow due to Leicester's fixture list. It's pathetic. I don't see other clubs or their supporters putting it down to that. Man U, Man City and Chelsea's managers either all have or will pay with their jobs.

  88. CB

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:25 #85852

    Could someone give me a synopsis of that Shaymouse post? Thanks

  89. Wardy

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:22 #85851

    Arsenal Geezer - calm down and stop that hating AW, it's not his fault there's no talent out there, it's only the injuries holding us back ..... this squad has great mental resilience, world class strikers, great leaders and a strong spine .... all the players will die for the cause if they can remove themselves from Instagram .... so chill out and take them blinkers off and support the boys to a glorious 4th place and maybe another FA Cup !!

  90. Shaymouse

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:16 #85850

    The last 10 years are a failure A simplistic analysis. Yes, there have certainly been many disappointments and plenty of mistakes in this past decade but also major achievements that will be more kindly judged as time passes and perspective grows. He includes reaching the last eight of the European Cup four times in the last decade (only previously done once in the club’s history). Plus the Cup wins. And he is honest enough to say, “Those who complained previously about a lack of silverware now focus on the 12 year wait for a Premier League title. It is understandable but still largely overlooks how, aside from three clubs who have outspent the rest of English football by a huge amount in recent years (Manchester United, Chelsea and Manchester City), Arsenal are still the last team to win the league title and have been consistently closest of the others. “Defending Wenger in the context of 19 straight top four finishes has also become unfashionable – and trophies are of course what really matter – but it is still something no other club has done…. Then there is the Emirates Stadium which, at a cost of £390million, significantly restricted commercial income in the short-term but will help Arsenal compete at the highest level for a generation beyond Wenger. No other British club of comparable size have solved the stadium challenge.” So on that he says, “no guilty”. Wenger should spend more money And this is where he goes off the rails. “What might have happened if he had pushed beyond the bizarre £40million, plus £1, bid for Luis Suarez in 2013?” The problem is the Telegraph is one of the papers that refused to publish the transcript of the Liverpool! owner who boasted at a conference in the US that there was indeed a £40m buy out clause, but that he lied, lied and lied again about it in order to keep the player at the club because “in soccer contracts aren’t worth anything.” It was made clear to Arsenal that they were not going to sell their asset at that price, and they were not going to sell at any price to a British team and they would use any underhand tactic possible to keep him. Ignoring that is just bending the facts to meet the political perspective of the paper. And the subsequent question “Why back away from signing Morgan Schneiderlin last summer?” is just as daft. He has Gabriel, coming through as a Brazil international and a player who is going to be with Arsenal for a long time, and Koscielny, now voted into the top 100 players in the world, and described by Wenger as his best buy in the last 10 years. So buying Schneiderlin means not playing one of those two. Its a dumb point – you can’t have Gabriel Kos and Schneiderlin and keep them all happy. OK, so the argument was don’t buy Gabriel – we will only be able to judge that over the next few years which was the best move. What this piece misses, as most journalists do, is the fact that only 25% of big money transfers actually make an impact in year one, and 25% only make an impact the size of their fee. A player who does well in one team does not always do well in another. Retrospective decisions about who we should have bought are simplistic. At the time it is always a gamble and Mr Wenger is peculiarly good at gambling well, be it Ozil and Alexis, be it Bellerin and Coquelin, be it Henry and Pires. Arsenal are full of big games chokers and losers At least the writer admits that The FA Cup final, consecutive victories over Manchester City and United, as well as a 2-0 win against Bayern Munich and the Champions League comeback in Olympiakos, show that they can deliver when it most matters. The same mistakes are repeated All clubs suffer injuries but Arsenal’s squad has endured a relatively high number to key players. If you are a regular Untold reader you’ll be drying your eyes now in order to try and read on. We’ve covered this so often it makes you wonder why some journalists are so resolute at not reading the blogs. Arsenal’s injury record over the years is above the average, but not at the very top. We tend to be about sixth in the league however you measure (days out, players out, year on year, 10 year average…). Come on Mr Telegraph Man, even the BBC has admitted the “Arsenal injury crisis” story was always a myth just like the Dirty Arsenal story from the early days of Mr Wenger’s tenure. That was invented too. We get lots of injuries so do most teams. When a team has a sudden non-injury run, they become like Leicester today, or Nottingham Forest at the end of the 1970s. Another persistent issue is losing players to soft bookings or sendings off at critical moments. Francis Coquelin was the latest example on Saturday against Tottenham but Gabriel, Santi Cazorla and Per Mertesacker were also all sent off this season against Chelsea, as was Wojciech Szczesny in the Champions league first leg against Bayern Munich two years ago. OK but have you ever heard that there is another side to the story? Think about it for a moment. Think Chelsea… some other evidence there perhaps? Wrong player being sent off. Player being sent off for a handball when the ball was clearly not heading for the goal, but obviously going wide… any of that (all at Chelsea) ring a bell? It is easy to think the whole article was a journalist just having a dig because he didn’t know what else to write about, but with the Telegraph also running Why Piers Morgan IS ‘The Arsenal’ you start to wonder. And then when straight under that is • Wenger fears that Arsenal fans’ unrest could harm his players the theme starts to grow. All we can do is keep exposing their lack of research, their insistence that they can mind read, their ignorance of many of the facts, and meanwhile keep on supporting the team. It’s a shame the media and their occasional fan friends with banners do this, but if you support Arsenal, that’s what you have to expect. I think most of us have got used to it.

  91. jjetplane

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:16 #85849

    Just to reiterate that superfan Westie cannot be bothered to go to the Emirates but is installed as a interactive arsenite with all the gadgets/references at hand. Why be so bothered to defend something you don't even take part in? Come on you Foxes! - doing what Wenger only did because Adams held his weathered old hand .... Bet Ozil and Sanchez are really looking forward to the Spanish trip.

  92. Westlower

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:08 #85847

    @Nick, Couldn't agree more that the 70/71 team were made off sterner stuff than today's athletes who play football at speed. Today's rules dictate that BFG had to come off if suffering from concussion. The high injury rate isn't confined to AFC as MU & L'pool have suffered also. Is there a recommended warm up time before players enter the field of play? If not, should there be? It was hard to judge on the TV pictures how much time Ramsey had warming up & would he have pulled up lame anyway. Was his exertions at the Lane the reason, as he covered more ground than anyone. I'm not disputing Leicester aren't a good team but surely that's all they are, a good team. Having watched Champion teams for 55 years, I can't say they excite me.

  93. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 13:04 #85846

    Augusta Flair, yes indeed, but don't let the wenger fans hear you saying that, they'd tell you they were as good as Barca. jb, perfect description, and that calamity is just round the corner and we all know it. wenger out.

  94. Nick

    Mar 09, 2016, 12:52 #85843

    Westflower I didn't intimate any blame on Ramseys lack of a warm up I merely asked whether or not he'd had one. If as you say Leicester City's lack of games is why we their doing so well how is it that other clubs in a their bracket aren't above us as well ? The reason their doing so well is because they are well organised, well manager and have their attitude spot on , being injury free is a bonus granted but game time isn't the reason for it , how many games had Cazorla, Arteta, etc played before getting injured ? The reason we have so many injuries is mystifying, one answer could be that the type of player we have is simply fragile or not man enough to play through minor knocks and niggles, in 71 we played well over sixty games with a squad of just SIXTEEN players, on pitched that todays players would look aghast at ! Bloody hell Per a big strapping bloke went off because he'd got a lump on his eye ! Never make a boxer would he ? The Hull player he inadvertently nutted was much worse off but stayed on , would Tony Adams or Keown have come off ? Would Mclintock, Simpson or Strong ? No they bloody well wouldn't, because they unlikely todays lot were real men ! The team reflect the manager and his bottle is suspect!

  95. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 12:52 #85842

    wally a tenner here and there with the occasional fifty, good one Ed, you've just described what he's worth. wenger out.

  96. Tony Evans

    Mar 09, 2016, 12:42 #85841

    Nick - I would put my house on Wenger prioritising the Barca game over our only realistic chance of a trophy game against Watford in the cup. When does Wenger ever do the sensible thing?

  97. Ron

    Mar 09, 2016, 12:41 #85839

    Good to see Westlower with renewed vigour injected in to his injuries,fatigue and fixture glut carousel after a win v a pretty lukewarm and lack lustre Hull team. Always enhanced when he throws in a few 'lard lump' or 'hairy arse' player definitions for added effect in purveying the silly notion that Wenger invented good football. It wouldn't be so bad, except that AFC dont and haven't played particularly attractive football for years. The old vanguard of the AKB at least presses on with these sham views unabated though, while the other less resolute masochists have fallen away.

  98. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 12:31 #85837

    The opposition keepers seem to have a lot to do with helping Teflon weng these days, funny how the FA Cup is so important these days isn't it (even for TOF)Oh how it seems to come at the right times and with lowly opposition too (who treat it with as much distain as TOF and his followers used to) no word of any conspiracy theories there then, yes the once hated FA Cup is on course to save TOF's bacon again, but it won't work this time the tide has turned, wenger out.

  99. Seven Kings Gooner

    Mar 09, 2016, 12:30 #85836

    Westlower: no one on this site has ever advocated a "lump of lard" stopper in midfield, although I can name a few that have been purchased who fit the bill, Denilson (ran less miles than a referee in most games) Kalstrom, he of the broken back syndrome. I just want my midfield players capable of playing a few games before being rested rather than being out for a complete season on more normally half a season as in Ramsey and Cazorla's cases. The players chosen by our manager and trained by our manager are physically not up to it or the training is inadequate, a bit of both I would strongly suggest. We could have signed Alonso 4 or 5 years back but I suppose you and Arsene viewed him as a "lard bucket" I enjoy the majority of the debates on this site but Westie please stop inventing viewpoints subscribed to people you disagree with just because you are losing the argument.

  100. Red Member

    Mar 09, 2016, 12:25 #85834

    it is more than just coincidence that our players get injured more than any other team. they are clearly not managed properly. maybe employing a proper manager might be a start?

  101. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 09, 2016, 12:16 #85833

    Westlower, so it's just this season it's started no longer being about money. How convenient. You know the reasons the usual suspects have failed. I'm starting to think you're just on a wind up now (the warming up thing is really funny). There's no honest debate to be had with someone that doesn't debate honestly. In that spirit, now that a smaller fixture list is the key differential, that not playing in the CL has suddenly become so advantageous and to be envied, how about we advocate AFC losing every game for the rest of the season, thus finishing midtable and freeing them up for a fair and proper title tilt next season?

  102. Jude

    Mar 09, 2016, 12:06 #85830

    Another muscular (thigh) injury for our all-action, injury-prone Welshman. Say it isn't so. "The team can probably compensate for his absence?" Goodness me. We'll cope just fine. We have much tidier, much less selfish midfielders (Elneny, Iwobi, Campbell et al.) who actually choose the team above themselves. Watch and learn what disciplined, team football looks like from the sidelines, Aaron.

  103. Westlower

    Mar 09, 2016, 12:02 #85829

    @Nick, I was going to say it's a mystery to me why players don't pull up lame doing warm ups but recently two MU players did just that. When a team is down to 10 men, how long do you give a player to warm up before sending him onto the field of play? What's so different about running up and down the touchline compared to running up and down the field? Too many games, too close to together?? @Exeter, It's part of the joy of football, why one team has forged an advantage over the rest. Until this season, money has dictated where the PL prize ends up. Don't forget that only 5 teams (AFC, CFC, MU, Citeh & Blackburn with Jack Walkers millions) have won the PL, all of them well funded. What has changed this season, apart from Leicester playing 25% less games than their near rivals? Have Leicester become the new power in football?

  104. mbg

    Mar 09, 2016, 11:58 #85828

    Progress ? i'm glad you mean just into the next round. Did you see TOF in mini melt down in the post match ? lips quivering with rage not knowing where to look, just because he was being questioned on his failure (well done that journo)it's about time he was asked proper questions, what an arrogant egoistic old fraud. wenger out.

  105. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 09, 2016, 11:48 #85826

    Westlower, you don't stop, do you? No one is buying it. When 'money' clubs are above AFC, finance is the key differential. Now a less moneyed club is above AFC, suddenly it's not about money, it's the fixture list. It's twofaced. You don't even believe what you're typing yourself. Anything to deflect from Arsene, right? That's your raison d'etre (along with the promotion of gambling) on here and you're quite prepared to be insincere and dishonest in his service.

  106. Far far away fan

    Mar 09, 2016, 11:38 #85823

    Hurrah!! Let's celebrate beating a second string championship team.

  107. Wear Your Colours

    Mar 09, 2016, 11:35 #85822

    After the frustrating results in recent games boy did we need that victory. It was nice to see Theo and Giroud banging in the goals again; let’s hope it lifts their confidence for the remaining fixtures. I thought Chambers, Elneny and Iwobi all caught the eye with tidy performances. Now we need to focus on the visit of Watford and ensure we show the grit and determination to win that one too. COYG!

  108. Westlower

    Mar 09, 2016, 11:24 #85820

    @Bard, To have an injury & fatigue free, team who can play once a week, with the same first eleven is priceless. Marry that with an over congested fixture list for the teams competing in Euro & it's an envious & advantageous position to be in. Good luck to Leicester for making the most of the situation. Chelsea will be that team next season, if they don't cock up by qualifying for the Ropey Cup.

  109. Arsenal Geezer

    Mar 09, 2016, 11:03 #85818

    Westlower- please stop trying to make excuses for this past it manager. He was the one who decided to not buy what was needed in the summer. The only club in the top 5 European leagues (95 clubs) not to buy an outfield player. He was the one who chose to stick with aging and injury ridden players like Arteta and Rosicky. None of us believe we have a devine right to win the league, but we do have a right to expect that we will use all of the available resources to mount a sustainable challenge and this has not happened for years. Groundhog season every year.

  110. Nick

    Mar 09, 2016, 11:02 #85817

    Despite the derision which some view the FA.Cup a third win on the bounce would be an unprecedented feat in the modern age of football, not since the days of ropes for crossbars has it been achieved! So with that in mind last nights return to winning ways with was a welcome sight, also Giroud and Theo breaking down their droughts is no bad thing coming after Alexis broke his own on Saturday, we desperately need goals from this team at this time especially now with the shattering of yet more fragile glass bodies last night leaving our defence shorn of center backs, why are these players so fragile ? Yes Per took a nasty knock but come on many of us would have had worse playing Sunday pub league football and still played on and gone to work the next day, Gabriel's injury was mystifying what did he do ? Someone said Wenger sent Ramsey on without a warm up is there any truth in that ? To be honest I didn't notice myself. The situation we find ourselves in is purely down to Wenger , yes we are unfortunate with injuries more aptly plagued by them but his failure to INSURE against this eventuality in consecutive transfer windows was folly, if he now compounds said folly by prioritizing the Barcelona game over the cup and the league he will have nowhere to hide should our season implode completely, he is barely covered by a fig leaf with a dodgy zip now !! On a positive note to finish I thought the Jeff showed some real promise and glimpses of the player he could be for us, Iwobi too seems to grow with every outing, ah well let us now await the coming of Watford who have no Barnes and Blisset to craze us now just Deeney and Ighalo, it will NOT be a walkover we must be at full a strength as possible and our attitude must be spot.on.or an historic third cup win in a row could be in jeopardy!

  111. Snoopy

    Mar 09, 2016, 10:56 #85814

    Good solid performance with most of the fans barring a few kids backing the boss.

  112. Bard

    Mar 09, 2016, 10:50 #85812

    Westie what about the money differential. I thought that was the resson we couldnt compete with City et al ? Or is it a revolving door of excuses ?

  113. Westlower

    Mar 09, 2016, 10:45 #85811

    It cannot be coincidence that Leicester currently have no injured players missing games, save for M. James who hasn't played since May 2015. AFC have 8, not including BFG. To date, Leicester have played 25% less games than AFC, 34 compared to 43. By seasons end Leicester will have played 43 & AFC a minimum of 54 + more, should they continue to progress in the FA Cup. Leicester played 4 games in Feb with 4 more in March, AFC 6 in Feb + 6 more in March. With their one game a week schedule, a weeks break in the sun & no injuries, it's one hell of an advantage, over their close rivals, who are all involved in Cup competitions. Just an observation as to why a 'middle of the table team' is leading the PL.

  114. Martyn

    Mar 09, 2016, 10:42 #85810

    Was it me or was there a real disconnect between the players and the fans at the game. Goal celebrations seemed to be 'players only'. Possibly Giroud and Walcott have felt the backlash more than others recently and feel no love towards the travelling fans at the moment. On a positive, aswell as the result of course, I thought the reshaped team looked promising; hopefully Chambers, Iwobi, Elneny and Jeff can keep their places for the Watford game. I expect Ozil and Alexis to stay on the bench.

  115. jb

    Mar 09, 2016, 10:28 #85807

    Remember the days when we had teak tough centre halves who were rarely if ever injured. We have three crocks. A good result so another ray of light until the next calamity.

  116. Augustus Flair

    Mar 09, 2016, 10:27 #85805

    I got to the TV coverage late and the first things I saw were two Theo Walnut corners in quick succession - the first, short to the first covering defender; the second, miles over everyone in the area and harmlessly out of play. I'm not hailing him as the new Messi either on the strength of scoring twice against a woeful Championship side. It was an absolute shocker of a performance.

  117. Westlower

    Mar 09, 2016, 10:25 #85804

    Not many teams park the bus better than Hull. Haven't conceded at home since mid Dec. Increasingly impressed with Elneny. I can't remember him giving the ball away at all. So light & quick on his feet. Easy to see why AW bought him in preference to a 'lump of lard' stopper type. Iwobi improved as the spaces opened up in the 2nd half & Chambers looks more comfortable in the middle than marking a tricky winger. Reine- Adelaide will become an Arsenal sensation. So much natural ability. Ospina has regained his confidence & hopefully Theo's late goals will get him back on track.

  118. Croker

    Mar 09, 2016, 10:09 #85802

    A soft tissue injury for a sub (Ramsey) who was not warmed up properly. Sound familiar?

  119. gsmeeth

    Mar 09, 2016, 10:07 #85801

    Watching from Germany the main highlight was the commentator on Eurosport who was so anti-Arsenal it was unreal. Presumably a relative of Steffen Freund, this guy didn't stop laying into the Gunners for the entire 90 minutes. Clearly normally given commentary gigs on tractor pulling or sumo wrestling this idiot appeared to have no idea that Hull were pushing for promotion or that with the turn of events Arsenal's makeshift back 4 were even more unprepared than the usual formation (and that is saying something). You could feel the guy's disgust as the goals went in, I thought he was going to down tools at the death. 1987 QF memories abide looking ahead to Sunday

  120. Begeegs

    Mar 09, 2016, 10:03 #85799

    More importantly, when will the elephant in the room be addressed?

  121. TJ

    Mar 09, 2016, 9:51 #85797

    A shame about the injuries but some positive displays from fringe players. I know we don't want even more central midfielders so forgive me for saying this but some of Campbell's through balls this season have been as good as Ozil's! After our £42m playmaker I think he is the most incisive passer- and he's doing this just cutting in rather than having loads of opportunities from starting in the middle! No redemption at all for Giroud and Walcott imo- this was Hull's reserve team... Both should be sold in the summer and the funds should be used to buy a proper striker like Lukaku. Also, I know Welbeck has his critics but I really think that's because we all wanted him to be a backup striker; you can hardly fault his ability as a winger though.