Arsenal Circular 140 – Should he stay or should he go?

It does not make sense to sack Arsene Wenger



Arsenal Circular 140 – Should he stay or should he go?

Arsene Knows Best?


Dear Fellow Gunners

A good performance and a good win has Arsenal supporters divided into familiar groupings – two in reality.

Wenger Goes and Wenger Stays.

Whatever result we have in our last nine matches the Big Divide will be the same.

Some are so fed up they would like nothing better than to pick up the newspaper and find that Wenger has cleared his desk, said goodbye to the players and returned to France. Others like myself want nothing more than to read that the Board have confirmed a three year extension of his contract.

We are very divided – some angry, occasionally vulgar, taking banners to the terraces and wanting Wenger to be hung drawn and quartered. How long before his effigy is burned in a ceremonial execution outside the ground. Others still revere the man, marvel at the way he handles the often ferocious animosity that passes as democracy in social media and genuinely and deeply believe he has more to offer.

In a season of mixed performances both sides have arguments to make. Maybe a little too early to make a final judgment – at least not until the title is mathematically beyond us.

The arguments against Wenger are well trawled – arrogant, out of date, out of touch, “past his sell by date”, re-arranging the chairs while the Titanic sinks, overtaken by THFC and with an absentee owner and a Board indifferent to the fans and their ever more difficult task of meeting the cost of a match at AFC.

In my time I have stood the ridicule of those who mocked the Aldermaston Ban The Bomb marchers and even the violence of the Lewisham BNP march, not to overlook the formidable police response to those who dared to support the miners in the UK and the freedom fighters against the US in Vietnam. If you can handle that quartet of political protest the Pro v Anti on the Wenger issue is water off a duck’s back.

I think Wenger is still the man. He is not past his “sell by date”. He is stubborn. He has his own views. And when he makes a public comment he has a dressing room to protect. When things go wrong those who have never coached a team of tiddlywinks players suddenly become soccer experts – buy this one and sell that one. I accept football is a game of opinion but hold those opinions with modesty and not with arrogance. Not one coaching badge among you but you know best. Come on.

I readily accept that I do not know best – I am a supporter and not a commentator but the Everton game pointed us in the right direction – an emerging quartet of Bellerin, Coquelin, Iwobi and Elneny. We will hear less of Arteta, Flamini and perhaps Theo even the Ox as well. The two first names are at the end of their careers, the last two have struggled to produce their best form – Theo never recovering from the THFC Cup injury. Signings are speculation without responsibility so leave that one but there are two other reasons why I want Wenger to extend his contract.

I do not overlook, as many critics do, the achievement of fourth place when we were a selling club. How in heaven’s name did he manage to keep us at the top end of the table when he was buying on the cheap? Even with Almunia and Senderos and Denilson and Bendtner he kept us buoyant and competitive. For this great achievement he has been abused – only interested in 4th place. Not at all. With what he had it was a great achievement year after year to keep us in the top four. Now that he has won the Stadium battle and has funds previously beyond him the expectations have been raised and rightly so and there was good reason that this was to be the year. Mathematically unlikely, it will be a big disappointment to fall short. We all feel it. No question.

But sacking him? It does not add up. It does not make sense. He is close. He is not the bridesmaid but never the bride. He cannot admit to what might be the case that some of the signings have not come up to scratch. But he is best placed to get it right. Better he stays with the desire and determination to succeed than he is cast out. And this leads me to a second reason and this will sound quite clumsy but We Are Arsenal. We do not want to switch managers who are on the managerial merry go round even at the highest level. I want to have at the helm someone who lives, breathes, eats and sleeps Arsenal and that is Wenger. He is quite different from the rest. Arsenal is in his blood – a bit like David Dein in fact. Another Club for either does not fit.

So stay strong. Resist the entreaties of the media who worship at the altar of Bad News. Sometimes it is harder in life to confront the majority but if you believe – as I do - in Wenger then stand up for him. It may be a rough ride but the outcome might be more fulfilling.

I am tweeting daily @arsenalcircular. I welcome your contributions. It is great. An ever increasing audience and by the minute by the hour argument

All the Best

Graham P.


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  1. Jags

    Mar 28, 2016, 19:31 #87080

    Well written . The winger out brigade haven't thought it through at all . I have been following Arsenal since 1965 . Wenger has done a terrific job keeping us competitive with the crazy injury list we have suffered this year . No manager , not even pep would have done better with the constant loss of key players Cazorla , Wilshere,welbeck, Sanchez, koscielny , Walcott, ox , Cech ,coquelin etc My only criticism is not buying a top striker to replace the second rate Giroud Stop Moaning and get behind the team

  2. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 28, 2016, 9:03 #87041

    The power plays at Arsenal are a bit like the Chinese communists . Guarded comments and feints. Usmanov would not have Made this announcement without reason. He is saying I'm not here to frighten you I can be relied upon to continue a tradition. He may even be wooing a share holder. What I'd guess though is he isn't going to put up with nearly's. So I'd guess he more or less force Wenger to buy then kiss him politely goodbye when he failed to deliver. That is of course if Wenger stayed for 5 minutes under Usmanov as I reckon he'd clear off. Could be interesting times ahead.

  3. Dany

    Mar 28, 2016, 3:34 #87040

    The arrogant sod should have been fired 6-7yrs ago for keep this club back

  4. Dartford gooner

    Mar 27, 2016, 11:42 #87033

    Get stuffed mbg you tadpole.

  5. mbg

    Mar 26, 2016, 12:43 #87029

    Dartford Gooner, nice one, it's a pity the powers that be didn't have the same foresight now, or in 05, I wouldn't read too much into what Usmanov says he's said something similar in the past and no doubt will again especially when a take over comes, he'll wan to keep the wenger luvvies on side for a while anyway, (why I don't know) but he'll be ambitious so when the time does come there'll certainly be no room for an old fraud of a manager, that's if he's still here at all, hopefully not. wenger out.

  6. augie

    Mar 26, 2016, 9:33 #87024

    How in heavens name did he keep us fourth ? Perhaps a quick look at the squads of our rivals might answer that - it is easy to focus solely on our big name departures, but that ignores the fact that we still had far better squads than those teams finishing below us and captain mainwaring could have led us to 4th. To listen to some people you would think that wenger has led a mid table club to the top 4. Face it, the man is a busted flush and should be removed asap

  7. Ronnie

    Mar 26, 2016, 9:00 #87023

    "Theo never recovering from the THFC Cup injury" is one of the most preposterous things I have ever read. 84 goals in nearly 350 appearances, has never been anywhere close to good enough

  8. Dartford gooner

    Mar 25, 2016, 20:32 #87015

    Mbg, more on the little boy in the picture of Highbury being built. The boy was kicked off site by the foreman because he did not have one days experience in construction. Grim Reading that Usmanov says Wenger must stay. Where will that leave us if stan does a runner?

  9. jjetplane

    Mar 25, 2016, 14:08 #87001

    So funny on Untold they are pushing some Yankee AKB book charting the incredible development/scouting system that has brought us two players! One out on loan and one back having been on loan for 3 years ... What a genius! can now be bought on Amazon for a penny or laughed at on kindle ...

  10. HowardL

    Mar 25, 2016, 6:39 #86999

    Graham - I don't agree with you but thank you for prompting one of the more balanced Wenger discussions that has appeared on this site. By the end of it my own views are unchanged: the Wenger era has had lots of ups and, increasingly, quite a few downs. It's time to close it down now and look to the future, whatever that future may bring. Groundhog Day is not an acceptable option any more. I, and clearly many other have had enough.

  11. Guy in Jersey

    Mar 25, 2016, 3:14 #86998

    Brian, some of us live in 2016, we're not living in the past. Yes, Wenger has achieved a lot and we will always be grateful, but FFS wake up! This is about the here and now, not about what he did ten years ago. And by the way, your claim that he's brought through and developed English players is a complete pile of crap. Who exactly? I don't remember him signing Wilshere, but I'm still waiting to see how we've improved Chambers, Jenkinson, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain. Any English player who really wants to improve should come nowhere near Arsenal under the current regime.

  12. west facing cannon

    Mar 24, 2016, 22:34 #86997

    If Dennis Bergkamp was the greatest Arsenal player to pull on our famous shirt then Johan Cruyff was surely the greatest the game has ever seen. RIP - genius man !

  13. dan

    Mar 24, 2016, 21:39 #86996

    ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz yawn WENGER OUT

  14. mbg

    Mar 24, 2016, 18:33 #86995

    billthered, good post, and personally I don't have a problem with that as long as we're well rid, resign or the sack it all means the same anyway, just a nice way to try and save face, but i'm thinking along the same lines as ArseneKnewBest probably even more radical (for the want of a better word) my opinion of course and i'm sure i'm not alone, the fact he doesn't deserve to save face and his ego and reputation (it's ruined anyway), it's gone far to far now gone on way way to long, the lies, the spin, the excuses, the dross, the second third raters, the contempt, the arrogance, the humiliations, the embarrassments, etc, etc, etc, over the last eleven years, if people still want him carried out on his shield grinning his sly grin like a Cheshire cat that's their prerogative, but not mine, he deserves to be humiliated or embarrassed the same way he has done to the club over the years his arse kicked out the door a failed manager, and told not to come back.

  15. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 24, 2016, 17:47 #86994

    Billthered - Fair enough that you think that, and I respect your position. But in my view weng has ridden roughshod over his own legacy, not us. Too many shocking decisions, too much parsimony, too many poor players retained, too many embarrassing defeats and an appalling attitude towards supporters. I've said it before, and I know it's a strong condemnation, but weng, syrupy stan and ivan the incompetent are enemies within our club. By the way, I read a very interesting piece by a fan of the St Louis Rams about SK, imaginatively titled, "F--- you stan kroenke and the toupee you rode in under" This is on the internet already web editors without the "---" so please don't delete. I for one will shed no tears when the day arrives.

  16. billthered

    Mar 24, 2016, 15:34 #86993

    Well I don't think in our heart of hearts that we want OGL sacked we want him to resign on the grounds of failing eyesight or memory. Also I do not think it would be a good idea for him to move upstairs as it would put off the incoming chief. And please this ever increasing opinion of be careful what you wish for, what we wish for is a team with the ability and mental strength to compete on all levels including the champions league, not stating what a good team we drew whilst just managing to qualify on the last day against a team from Greece or Iceland. Our troubles started when we replaced players like Paddy with dross like Hleb, Denilson etc. Thanks Arsene you gave us some great memories but lately you have given us too many drubbings and we don't like those.

  17. Nick

    Mar 24, 2016, 15:16 #86992

    It doesn't matter what we think.were only the lifeblood of the club so unimportant, he SHOULD go but we all know he won't not of his own volition and the board wont force him out. Personally I'm more ticked off with having an Easter period ( usually a flurry of games) WITHOUT any proper football, yes we have those exciting as over seventies bowls tourneys international friendlies to look forward to courtesy of the noble institution of FIFA thanks so much for that, but no real football at all for the first time I can remember at Easter! Can anyone else recall an Easter without football?

  18. jjetplane

    Mar 24, 2016, 15:13 #86991

    Just watched a compilation of him on you tube - amazing bits of when he was a schoolkid .... he had every trick in the book and must have invented a good few of them. Brilliance! speaking of - Arsene in for the usual 3 or 4 top top players as ST pay ups loom .... oh the ****ing grind of the most boring club in the world!

  19. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 24, 2016, 14:58 #86990

    Johan Cruyff's death has just been announced - rest in peace magic man

  20. mbg

    Mar 24, 2016, 14:21 #86989

    Exeter, and to think they accuse others (WOB's WOR's) of not supporting Arsenal, You couldn't make it up. But won't it be great if they keep their promise. wenger out.

  21. Ron

    Mar 24, 2016, 14:15 #86988

    Poor old 'Graham'. Such stick. Carries a heavy burden being Westlower's proxy.

  22. mbg

    Mar 24, 2016, 14:10 #86987

    Joe S, well said, if TOF had all this decency and principles (especially footballing ones) we keep hearing about he would have gave then an ultimatum years ago and walked, the fact he never did on both counts proves he's jut as bad as them, with out a decent principle in his body up to his neck in profits with the lot of them, wenger principles ? my arse. wenger out now.

  23. jjetplane

    Mar 24, 2016, 13:42 #86986

    Untold Arsenal is written by Sociologists who perceive Arsene FC as the Kingdom of heaven and Arsenal FC as a breeding ground for WOB deviancy .... The Talking heads once sung: 'heaven is a place/a place where nothing/nothing ever happens ....' - sums up Arsene FC perfectly .... Wenger - More Fart than Art is my contribution for a new banner.

  24. In The Luton End When Caesar Fell

    Mar 24, 2016, 11:16 #86985

    So pleased that others on here whose judgement I can trust have already reported on Untold Arsenal, so that I don't have any reason to go there. Thanks for doing that, but I do have one pressing, relevant question - was anyone describing it as a "muggy" banner at all? What a reflection of intellectual depth that phrase is.....

  25. Tony Evans

    Mar 24, 2016, 10:55 #86984

    Graham - all I can think is that you must regard Wenger as some sort of comfort blanket and are firmly in the camp of ' it could be so much worse'. Well yes of course it could but surely you can't deny it could also be so much better, especially this season when, had Wenger actually spent some money in the summer, we would probably have had the title in the bag by now. Instead mighty Leicester and Spurs are battling it out with us a disappointing third. Good luck to Leicester though - they really do deserve to be champions and Graham, I think you need to be less fearful of change.

  26. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 24, 2016, 10:32 #86983

    Leekey - if you must stay on this site (sigh) then answer the following. Exeter has kindly asked you a question and yesterday I asked you who did you tip for the title? Not a peep from you , how rude! Learn some manners chump sorry I meant chum.

  27. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 24, 2016, 10:25 #86982

    Leekey - why do you go on and on about that dreary old Untold site? Why not stay on it. You'll find little support for your Wengerist, Arsenite tosh on here. Also ??????? - Answer: the board would prefer to have an Arse lickers banner in the ground simple as that.

  28. Peter Wain

    Mar 24, 2016, 10:19 #86981

    you can tell we are fast approaching season ticket renewal look who we are linked with. But who we will actually buy very few of those mentioned if any.

  29. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 24, 2016, 9:55 #86980

    Leek fc, Untold is a Wenger cult site that will collapse when he eventually goes. One of the contributors stated 'If AW stops managing Arsenal I'll stop supporting them' and I'd imagine that goes for a good many of its contributors. I wonder if you're one of them? And if the 'attempts' on here are so 'pathetic' you should find them pretty easy to counter. Will you do so now?

  30. Bard

    Mar 24, 2016, 9:39 #86979

    Good one Jeff, very funny if it werent so infuriating. Although the situation could change if we make a mess of the last few games, it does look like the Weng will be back next season. And why not, I wouldnt turn my back on £8m a year, especially after what must have been an expensive divorce. Good to know we have another season of mediocrity to endure.

  31. amos

    Mar 24, 2016, 8:43 #86978

    Do the AAA have a secret handshake when they meet up and who decides on the wording for the weekly match banner.Is it also true they're all white middle class tory boys as seen on tv.

  32. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 24, 2016, 8:20 #86977

    Never mind all this sh*t about the lifeblood and uncertain future of our club, the Arsenal's stalwart defender and intellectual heavyweight Calum Chambers has apparently said in the tory love rag that is the evening standard that justin beiber should sing Ingerland's euro 16 song. earth shattering insight from the distinctly average but overpaid ex-southampton player. I must get a selfie with him next time I'm at the wok...

  33. Made Up Stat

    Mar 24, 2016, 8:08 #86976

    Just put ‘Untold’ and ‘Arsenal’ through the online thesaurus and got ‘unimaginable collection’. Rather appropriate I thought.

  34. Joe S.

    Mar 24, 2016, 3:25 #86975

    The naivity of this piece is frightening. One win and he deserves to keep his job for life. Reality there is nowhere to go with Arsene Wegner. The summer will be futile, rumours,more smoke screens delusion and the same tired reasons for not spending. This current regime does not care about the fans, it is all about the business stupid.If Wegner cared about the miserliness o he would have protested and left years ago. Fact is, he is also a stakeholder and is doing well thank you.

  35. Leek fc

    Mar 23, 2016, 22:36 #86974

    Untold is for fans who can actually be bothered to get up and attend games. Online gooner is simply for over aged pathetic attempts of people who claim to support the arsenal but the keyboard is their only sense of meaning....... And you all know who you are. Can you see an online gooner banner in the stadium ......?????????

  36. Roy

    Mar 23, 2016, 21:53 #86973

    Nice one JW, but I have a feeling Arsene has a few more deckchairs to arrange yet before the inevitable plunge into the abyss! No, you couldn't make it up.

  37. mbg

    Mar 23, 2016, 21:18 #86972

    2.3/10, someone has certainly took pity on old circular.

  38. JMascis666

    Mar 23, 2016, 20:47 #86971

    Freedom fighters in Vietnam? They were invading another country in complete violation of a treaty signed in 1954. You are wrong about President Johnson's policy in South East Asia and you are wrong about Arsene Wenger.

  39. mbg

    Mar 23, 2016, 19:53 #86970

    UA, and where have we heard those two words being used on here before mate ? certainly not by WOB's or WOR's, it explains a lot and where they head back to when they go on their sabbaticals from here. You couldn't make it up.

  40. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Mar 23, 2016, 19:52 #86969

    Untold arsenal is a joke of a site just went on it and it was like walking into a North Korea shrine of the DEAR LEADER!' The owner(s) of the site seem beyond delusional. They seem to worship wenger and think he irreproachable!! I will never go back on that site again only when wenger is gone so I can read their reactions loool!! These are the exact same people who have kept wenger in a job!! But thank God a lot of folks have finally realised wenger has to go this season!! The main reason being the fact we are not up against oil money!! Folks have realised that if Leicester City and God forbid Tottenham can compete for the title why can't we?? Well the common denominator is guess who hmmm WENGER!! He looks like he knows the excuses have run out!! He could always use the excuse about oil money and a lot of his loyalists would stick by it. But he can't use it anymore and it shows on his face. He is a dead man walking. He knows if Leicester City or Tottenham win the league he has to go. How anyone who is reasonable can still defend wenger is beyond me. I have always felt they put wenger before arsenal! It's shocking

  41. Hiccup

    Mar 23, 2016, 19:39 #86968

    Now that westie and coldsore have disappeared, it seems Untold Arsenal is the place to get the daily fix of laughter. Such drivel about the banner is even embarrassing to the average AKB. What will that clown dream up next? That it was the BT Sport studio crew that were singing Kroenke out and this was blasted out through the tannoy system? I know desperate times for the AKB's leads to desperate measures, but I don't think even westie would be on the same page with that banner excuse!

  42. jeff wright

    Mar 23, 2016, 19:21 #86967

    Perhaps some of our flops at football should consider doing a Vinny Jones and take up acting. SANCHEZ could star in a remake of the Invisible Man with not much acting required. Ozil in The Marty Feldman Story, that looks like an Oscar winner . Wally in Gone With The Wind. Big Olly , with his pained angry facial contortion talent in, The Incedible Hulk .Jack in the BBC hospital drama Causality playing an injured footballer , should be a doddle that. Kos natch in Keystone Kops along with plodding Per and Gabriel this will have 'em rolling in the aisles with mirth. Flam in Psycho playing nutter Norman Bates looks like a another winner. Ramsey playing Grumpy the dwarf in Snow White with Santi playing Happy would produce a few laughs. Bould could do The Silent One. As for ARSENE he looks a natural for playing the part of the Captian of The Titanic...icebergs...what icebergs...aaargh!!!!!!!

  43. RedPig

    Mar 23, 2016, 19:13 #86966

    I've just read the Untold article too. Never been on there before but the rumours I have heard about it turn out to be true. The comments section is as bad. Linda seems particularly upset about the abuse Wenger is having to put up with, despite her being very insulting towards the fans with the banner. Her post at 1.39 has to be seen to be believed. ''We are in a fight for this club's soul'' she claims. Bit late for that Linda! As for Tony Attwood, he writes a long piece being derogatory about the type of people who would take a banner to a game and making crass comments about what he thinks are their reasons for making it ... yet it turns out he has made a banner himself that is on display at the Emirates every game haha. What a hypocrite!

  44. JWE

    Mar 23, 2016, 19:11 #86965

    I am with Graham on this one. Arsene is the best option we have out there to take us onto the next level. Arsene has won back to back FA Cups and we have finished 4th and 3rd in the past two seasons. If we managed a 2nd place finish this season would it not make sense that the next finish in that kind of sequence would be 1st? Surely Leicester can't pull another season off like this one again next time around. ARSENE 4EVER!!!!!!!!!!!

  45. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 23, 2016, 18:00 #86964

    Must be my set up on the IPhone I have now managed to locate via a search. It's beautiful and I've discovered a new term 'Bannerian' yes this is a person who holds up an anti Arsene banner . Mandy Dodd is also adding her penny worth now there's a blast from the past along with the Dandy Modd brilliant piss take. I quite like Mandy I imagine her as a ........ Err better go

  46. mbg

    Mar 23, 2016, 17:52 #86963

    jj, Mark, real X files stuff, Fox Mulder would be proud of them, I think he's the guest speaker at the next meeting in central command, they've done away with/air brushed (like a lot of other things)our old motto Victoria Concordia Crescit out of history in honour of they're messiah because it's not fair on him, and replaced it with, I want to believe. wenger out.

  47. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 23, 2016, 17:38 #86962

    If the camera pans out on that apparently enigmatic photo of weng in his finest constipated chihuahua pose (see above), it actually reveals the former football manager laying a contemptuous cable on a pile of Herr Perry's erstwhile circulars. It should be accompanied by a thought bubble from OGL which says, "Zut alors, the qualitee of this and other AKB writing on the pages of the gooner, c'est terible n'est-ce pas?. Monsieur Perry est evidemment tres fatigue et il manque un peu de mental strength en ce moment."

  48. jjetplane

    Mar 23, 2016, 17:03 #86961

    Ha ha they look like a couple of happy nutters - bet they got Hornby train (fever pitch) full sets in the attic. Blissful! Never knew it was that bad and the BT illuminati movement MARK is a click on the right hand side of page - list of articles. L Ron Hubbard will floating in space on this stuff .... I guess youngsters just drift onto that site then off to a secret meeting and that's that ....

  49. Hi Berry

    Mar 23, 2016, 16:48 #86960

    Jjetplane....I dip into Untold Arsenal every now and then for entertainment value......their paranoia regarding the great conspiracy against Arsenal (funny how it didn't manifest itself in the unbeaten season) embraces every part of the game but their conviction that referees have systematically robbed Arsenal of countless points over the years is hilarious, all the more so when stats are regularly trotted out to show how bent all the officials are where Arsenal are concerned.

  50. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 23, 2016, 16:37 #86959

    For some reason I couldn't find the great BT conspiracy story though untold is not very well set out in my opinion. I think we need to write a nice yarn and get it printed on their site and then let em know we are pulling their plonkers. I'm thinking an age old conspiracy potentially Freemasonary based. David Dein angered the Freemasons through revealing their secrets . The group have therefore plotted for the last 10 years to snuffle out our chances. If you look hard enough at the BT and SKY symbols you can detect the work of the annointed ones. Throw in s bit of David Koresh and I think we are on a runner!

  51. jjetplane

    Mar 23, 2016, 16:34 #86958

    Just looked at Untold for the first time and could not see plug for North Korea in the rules but the BT Banner thing is soooo paranoid I may have a peek again but will leave it til Arsene FC have drifted into 6th place ... Pure Scientology meets North Korea at a Nuremburg Rally. I knew the dark lord of accountancy had a bit of pull but Stan should be thinking about one of the 20thou seater churches somewhere on the motorway where they could all go and pray and buy little statues. Terrifying and looks like there is no way back.

  52. mbg

    Mar 23, 2016, 16:30 #86957

    Ron, dead right, and lets hope those teams that they still have left to play think so too.

  53. jjetplane

    Mar 23, 2016, 16:15 #86956

    AKB right there mate - think this one is really a lazy effort and The Rev Perry is probably a WOB (joking) - Nice ad for Yellow Ribbon day - Watford colours too .... yep - boycott the next circular would be a giggle ... If he is Arsenal then he is probably Etonian with a left leaning and a double agent at all the protests - MI5 even. Tinker, tailor, soldier, AKB ...

  54. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 23, 2016, 16:00 #86955

    Lansera Nam - Welcome to the light side comrade. Now you can move forwards and become "Arsenal Man". I've deliberately avoided Graham's ridiculous chutzpah - it can be reduced to the banal utterances of an agent provocateur and as someone has said, he would be better spouting this stuff on a website where the readers aren't so discriminating/intelligent. I also wonder if he's asked by editors to produce something really fanciful and controversial because it boosts the number of hits and therefore advertising revenue. But maybe I'm only a conspiracy theorist. Maybe we just shouldn't give his sycophantic opinions about weng any more oxygen.

  55. mbg

    Mar 23, 2016, 15:27 #86954

    jj, I remember seeing some old photos of Highbury being built and there was this little lad about seven out there with a pick and a shovel digging away at the foundations no body really knew who he was but he was French, apparently he swam the channel for a job, and they say he got tired half was across and then got up and walked the rest, historians say his name was arene or arsene or something like that.

  56. mbg

    Mar 23, 2016, 15:09 #86953

    MARCUS, nice one, you should change sport, the ultimate put down, a real blow to his ego there, early contender for quip of the day.

  57. mbg

    Mar 23, 2016, 14:59 #86952

    Lifelong Gooner, yes laughable isn't it, yet another ridiculous statement right up there with the whites of their eyes, he is close, (he actually believes that too, deluded or what) but old circular omitted to tell us him and his ilk have been saying that for eleven years now, and still didn't/haven't said what year, or more appropriately what century. You really couldn't make this stuff up.

  58. Billy's Boots

    Mar 23, 2016, 14:51 #86951

    I've just read the article on Untold Arsenal that Captain Frank mentioned, about BT Sport and the banners. It's unintentionally hilarious!

  59. Captain Frank

    Mar 23, 2016, 14:17 #86950

    Thanks for the reply Mark and glad you realised my comments were not aimed at you. Graham clearly knew his article was going to get slated on here, yet posted it anyway when he might have had a more sympathetic hearing on GunnersTown which I think is where he also posts. I don't know Graham that well, but I'm sure he wouldn't say anything as a wind-up and it is almost certainly his opinion that Wenger should get a new 3 year deal. That is plainly ridiculous to most of us on here and I agree that Graham has not made a case to justify it - perhaps because there isn't one which isn't full of holes! On the subject of banners, did anyone see the article on Untold Arsenal suggesting that BT might be behind the banner at Everton? Jeez, those guys are away with the fairies aren't they? I know they want to support the club, the manager and the players, but to suggest such proposterous nonsense just marks them down as fools in my eyes.

  60. jjetplane

    Mar 23, 2016, 13:49 #86949

    With you all the way there RON and am bored with the it's only Leicester bollocks as they are the best team of the season and I am in awe of them and their manger. Plain brilliant! Supporters too! On a lesser level the Totts are also far better than Arsene FC in every department and so the Mahrez/Vardy and Kane/Alii have blown me away! Superb! its easy to open your eyes when you are enjoying your football and my 9th tier mob are 8 out of 9 wins and gunning for top 6 and there is the perspective. Arsene FC like you have said are not worth talking about and Wenger has not worked a day in football but many in accountancy - FACT!

  61. Lanesra Nam

    Mar 23, 2016, 13:32 #86948

    For the first time, I now feel there is a consensus amongst the fans that it is time for a change of manager. Prior to this season, many fans, like myself, gave AW the benefit of the doubt bearing in mind such issues as competing with the Arab / Russian money teams, stadium costs, blah blah blah. However this season has been a massive eye opener and to see us crumble as we have is inexcusable I'm afraid....

  62. Ron

    Mar 23, 2016, 13:25 #86947

    Caught up with a bit of reading on here. It emphasises how so badly the PL needs to be won by Leics City. Cmon you Leics Foxes. Do it for football before it dies a lingering death.

  63. Answer

    Mar 23, 2016, 13:14 #86946

    The WOBs cause all the poisonous atmosphere at the Emirates,yet the AKBs do sometimes over step the mark and have been known to clump people.

  64. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 23, 2016, 13:05 #86945

    jjetplane, perhaps also the players could collectively introduce their own range of soft drinks. Bottled, of course.

  65. jjetplane

    Mar 23, 2016, 12:46 #86944

    So BFG, Arteta, Tomas, Flimflam, Gibbs, Debuchy are off in the summer with new big fat deals for Jack and Ox and no doubt a top-up for Theo. Throw in a captaincy for Kos when he is brave enough to play and it looks like no new players will be needed and Arsene is a genius and should be given 6 years as the 3 year one has already been signed. Other matters are that Stan FC are to sell Sanchez, Ozil, Bellerin, Ramsay which should pave the way for ranch expansionism into the wild west territories and this period will be seen as Stan's last Stand before his son takes over who is keen to have a pulled pork franchise set up at the Emirates. The food experience at the Emirates on soccer match days is awinner with the new, sophisticated audience to see the game of soccer as part of an overall family experience and to this end (sic) Arsene FC are to introduce a BFG sausage stand in homage to a great servant and world cup winner. We understand Per is keen on Karaoke and is opening his own bar in Upper Street where sushi dishes will be supplied by ........ Loving this Franchise!

  66. jeff wright

    Mar 23, 2016, 12:15 #86943

    Keystone Koss gave his thoughts yesterday while with les bleus in an interview with the French media on why the team ( AFC) Flopped again this season in the league . No surprise to learn that he puts it down to injuries .According to KK we were unable to cope without Danny Welbeck being out. Okay ,even if this nonsense were true though then how come that Wenger never brought in a replacement for him>? Wenger knew before the season started that Danny Boy would be out for months and that Sanchez was not fit as well. This Welbeck excuse is ditto ones from the past with the ludicrous Ramsey getting injured cost us the title.The clown got injured that season in November ! Of course the constant most injuries in the game that we suffer are a problem and various theories have been put forth to try and make sense out of it all. Wenger's out-dated training and medical regime and over playing some players - such as Wilshere and Sanchez - are my own view on this. KK's comments though do not stand up to scrutiny because Welbeck was in the team that lost in that vital game away to United and even scored a goal in it. No it was the 3 goals we conceded that were the problem as were the goals at home against Swansea straight after. Deja vu the ones v Watford in the cup. So just more nonsensical excuses from a loyal Wenger French player with no mention of le emperor's part in yet another poor season in the domestic and European games. No mention of bottling it either in the games at OT and at home against Swansea and Watford. Injuries were not to blame for those defeats but we all know a man who was. Good old Arsene.

  67. Answer

    Mar 23, 2016, 12:07 #86942

    It depends on what sort of mental strength you have.//Question:Is the poisonous atmosphere at the Emirates caused by A.Arsene Wenger.B.The AKBs.C.The WOBs or.D.all of the previous answers.

  68. aw just go away

    Mar 23, 2016, 11:57 #86941

    No shame.. No guts.. No ambition!! Just pure arrogance & despotism thats what AW stands for. Its makes me sick just to look at his face expresion.

  69. Answer

    Mar 23, 2016, 11:53 #86940

    Most go to hell,we can't say the exact percentage but a liberal one would be 0.01 heaven,99.99 hell probably even worse odds for women though not much.//If Arsenal fail to win the League do I have to have the hump all summer.

  70. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 23, 2016, 11:48 #86939

    Captain Frank - I appreciate you weren't being personal and agree that some peace making would be good all round. Where Graham is getting spadefulls is the 3 more years without justification. If the board acted as per normal clubs this conversation would be had. It's the stifling of dissent that causes the odour. This used to be commonly applied by pundits as well. I remember seething hearing some ex pro or other condescendingly putting down views which would have been held by around 25% of the base I'd guess (3 seasons back) now of course they have guessed where the wind is changing and they are all back peddling. I reckon Wenger will want to hang on through to 2017. This means a lame duck manager and as and when the collapse happens a poisonous atmosphere worse than over the last few weeks. In that regard my firm belief is he should go. Just to add I think the Wenger out banners displayed when we win are very necessary it reflects a conviction and is helping to move the agenda forward. Note the papers are speculating so someone inside Arsenal is going off record.

  71. jjetplane

    Mar 23, 2016, 11:48 #86938

    Little known fact: Arsene's grandad was the the force behind the move from Woolwich. The last and this century are known to millions as the time of The Weng Dynasty. Emperor Arsene is 102 years old .....

  72. Steve

    Mar 23, 2016, 11:33 #86937

    We are Arsenal.We are happy with a manager who told fans 4th is a trophy.We are Arsenal.We are happy with a manager who said he would be happy to finish 2nd for 20 years in a row.We are Arsenal we are happy with getting knocked out of the CL every year in the last 16.We are Arsenal we keep a manager in a job however sh*t his record has been for the last 12 years.Yes we are Arsenal.We are also-rans

  73. Question

    Mar 23, 2016, 11:18 #86936

    Do most people go to heaven or hell after they die.

  74. Kenny

    Mar 23, 2016, 11:07 #86935

    Are we still asking this question?Of course he should go.12 years without a title win(havent even finished top 2).Happy just to finish top 4 and a truly abysmal CL record.What more evidence do you need? Graham you are as deluded as Wenger

  75. Ozzie

    Mar 23, 2016, 10:57 #86934

    That people are still drooling over this bloke and the current team beggars belief. Some of you should travel far and wide and get yourself some perspective - talk about being bogged in narrow vision....

  76. CORNISH GOONER

    Mar 23, 2016, 10:29 #86933

    STOP PRESS: Claudio to have his wages increased to £3 million pa. How much does our Messiah draw? Seems like Waitrose prices for us, based upon continual future promises whilst Ranieri over delivers Aldi value. And I don't think the loveable Italian would ever claim to be the best in the business.

  77. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 23, 2016, 10:24 #86932

    Question -- err Beau Brummell? He was a player in the 1700's? Shouldn't this be the early modern age? I think most definitions are now 1880's and some are even suggesting 1930's. Anyway I like your random questions . Do I win a prize?

  78. Ozzie

    Mar 23, 2016, 8:02 #86931

    Holy mackerel! I can't believe I'm reading this. Arsenal's only hope is to lash out for Aguero and Suarez as front men; even then, you would not hold your breath while Wenger pulls the strings. One thing about Chelsea, at least they know how to give failures the boot. Maybe we could ask Abramovich to jump ship and satisfy his boredom with a new challenge? Arsenal's first step should be a ruthless cleanout beginning with the deluded one. Unless that happens (which it won't) then I am left to wonder whether to bother getting up out of a cosy bed in the early hours to watch more of the, yawn, same - when I could be dreaming of more achievable fantasies. This season is an absolute shocker; just the Southampton embarrassment alone turned me and to get them at home in the return and surrender meekly for a draw. And to think this is the side that flogged off all their cream players....!!! Graham Perry, you really know how to wind people up - big time. WENGER OUT.

  79. Mrs W

    Mar 23, 2016, 7:58 #86930

    AW. A forth placed trophy to you for punctuation dear!

  80. John Gage

    Mar 23, 2016, 6:32 #86929

    @Graham Perry: The problem is that Wenger's consistency is now leading to a form of stasis. He shows no indication that he is improving the team is the two areas which Arsenal fans desire, Premiership or the Champions League. Wenger also does not seem to realize that the fan's expectation will change due to the greater financial firepower available. This was the reason given after all to the fans for the move from Highbury to the Emirates, and the years of purgatory that followed. I see absolutely no indication that Wenger has the ability to win the Premiership again.

  81. Peter

    Mar 23, 2016, 6:22 #86928

    I agree we will never win the league now with Arsene in charge. His thought process in a game is so easy to copy by anyone with an ounce of sence. No matter what the score is or whether we are winning or not substitute our best player on the day in and around the 70th minute with Theo or Flamini. Particulary Theo then goes on and does nothing. Now all teams come to our stadium thinking they can win. As mentioned by many on here Arsene has done fantastic in the past but his time is now up. The trouble now is who will want to manage this team if we again do not win the league and may finish 3rd or even lower. Someone who will tow the line with the bosses upstairs and loves a large pay packet. Also this applies to any player thinking of coming to us in the future. I was a season ticket holder for many years but not this year as again the club does not treat the fans in a respectable way. £3,000:00p for a season ticket it is a joke on club level. Look at teams in Germany and Spain for their prices. For example Deportivo La Coruna in Spain season ticket 400 Euros (i.e £310).

  82. WENGER HAS TO GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Mar 23, 2016, 4:15 #86927

    I always ask the deluded wenger loyalists a couple questions and they always come across as living in a parallel universe with what they come back with! I ask do you think wenger can win the league again? If they somehow show some sanity and say no, I ask them why should he stay on if he can't win the league again? We are not a club built on sentimental clap trap nostalgia! Albeit we have become that under wenger over the last 8 years. If they show their usual deluded behaviour and say yes he can win the league again, I always ask them to show me evidence to back up that assertion. The reason why I think wenger can NEVER win the league again is this season! He can not win the league when all the circumstances are in his favour I.e man City, Chelsea and Manu all awful this season and guess what they all have in common for that failure? They will all be changing managers or already have for failure it's called consequences. Wenger can't win the league when our main rivals for the league are Leicester City and Tottenham! It's laughable even petit said "you should change sport if you can't win the league when those two teams are your main rivals"!! WE ARE ELEVEN POINTS BEHIND LEICESTER CITY! Let that sink in folks. It's utterly embarrassing and wengers Job is and should be untenable. His time is up. Forget all his rude and condescending attitude towards the fans. And his downright deluded personality we will just forget that!! it's his incompetence and tactical ineptness why he should go!! AKBS like Graham perry will always defend their messiah it's laughable.

  83. Lifelong Gooner

    Mar 23, 2016, 2:04 #86926

    Your position on Wenger is just laughable. We are close to winning the title? We haven't finished in the top two since 2005, and are going to finish behind Spurs/Leicester or both this season. Also the selling club comment is no longer relevant, Wenger himself made that clear earlier this season. How do you explain Wenger refusing to spend the money available to him? Honestly the way some people accept mediocrity just astounds me. Oh and as for your comment about fans holding up banners, well if you took your head out of the sand, you might realise how disrespectful Wenger has been towards the fans in the last few years.

  84. RedPig

    Mar 23, 2016, 2:03 #86925

    Wilson (no. 91926) Good post mate. Other 4th place miracles Wenger has performed in the last decade include seeing off Martin O’Neills legendary Aston Villa side in 2009 and pipping Alan Pardew’s Newcastle on the last day of the 2011/12 season .. when having annual wage bill that at the time was just £130m more than Newcastle's. As for Man City, a scoreline from May 2008 reads: Middlesboro 8 v 1 Man City. Again how miraculous that we've never had to suffer anything like that ...!

  85. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 23:58 #86924

    Aww isn't it lovely Old circular has at least one fan on here, and he's took it upon himself to stand in, in westlowers absence and try (feebly) to defend his/they're messiah's reputation (not that there's any thing left of it mind) with days and exploits gone by, and how good he used to be, Aww how nice, it'd bring tears to your eyes, Not, who is he trying to kid anyway, his initials a w says it all. You couldn't make it up, but still they try. wenger out.

  86. Wilson

    Mar 22, 2016, 23:57 #86923

    "How in heaven’s name did he manage to keep us at the top end of the table when he was buying on the cheap?" Probably because it was Everton and Tottenham chasing us in the old 'big 4' days, and as it would be, when Man City got money, Liverpool imploded badly. The fact is, 4th has only ever been the bare minimum. Finishing ahead of Martin Jol, Jaunde Ramos, Hary Redknapp's Tottenham, or Everton under Moyes, or Liverpool under Roy and then Dalglish, was not something to be proud of. 4th has always been the bare minimum Wenger need to achive to be justified. But to call it an 'achievement' - give me a break. Sorry Graham, but you have been successfully brainwashed.

  87. Mike from kent

    Mar 22, 2016, 23:50 #86922

    Arsenal have the most expensive season tickets, one one the highest paid managers in football, but do not deliver a team to match. It cannot carry on any longer. Alex Fergus achieved far more and actually fared better money wise than Wenger during his tenure. His time is surely over.

  88. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 23:01 #86921

    I'm surprised old circular put or even allowed a question mark beside the photo accompanying this excuse for an article.

  89. Leek fc

    Mar 22, 2016, 22:48 #86920

    Graham. Wonderful, honest article. Mr Wenger must stay.

  90. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 22:47 #86919

    Shu, good post and well said, but well written and deluded just don't go together mate.

  91. Captain Frank

    Mar 22, 2016, 22:23 #86918

    Exeter, Mark - I wasn't aiming those comments at you. I was actually referring to comments which have subsequently been removed which were just childish name calling without even attempting to make a point. That is pathetic and I get the impression you agree. What's left (at the time of writing anyway) is debate. Some of it is strongly worded, but that shows the passion of the people on here. I do find it amusing how quickly people will put people on one side or the other. Just because I stick up for Graham I am immediately labelled a Wengerite. I've been called an AKB in the past as well despite posting about the need for a new manager. I suppose I tend to feel the people who want Wenger to stay are obviously the minority and because I prefer debate I want their voice to be heard rather than bullied into submission. Some can make interesting points even if I don't agree with them. And above all, I just want Arsenal fans to all be on the same side again rather than this divide we have now. I know the reasons for it and fear that even when Wenger goes the divide will remain for the foreseeable future because the rifts won't be easily mended. Sigh.

  92. RedPig

    Mar 22, 2016, 22:11 #86917

    Wasn’t that also you who stood defiantly in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square Graham? : ) I’m puzzled how you acknowledge that there is a divide – yet still want the man who is the cause of this divide to stay another 3 years. Is that really the in the best interests of the club? Hasn’t Wenger wasted enough years already? Also it is interesting how you mention vulgar behaviour in the same sentence as those displaying banners but make no mention of the fact that those guys have been attacked and spat on by fellow supporters. And what exactly is wrong with a banner? I assume you would have had banners when protesting against the Vietnam war etc. Whys is it justified in once case but not in another? Just because you agree with one stance but not the other? Your articles remind me of Wenger himself. Its okay to make a few antagonistic digs but at the same time you are overly sensitive to criticism (see the Arsenal Circular response – Post no. 91834 .. if that was not you Graham I apologise).

  93. Snowbiggee

    Mar 22, 2016, 22:06 #86916

    Have a look a Clough at Forest. Amazing start and great success, lauded as a genius. Sold lots of players followed by treading water. Then bought in a few quality players and in the last 5 years got 2 top three finishes and four cup finals before the better players left and they got relegated in his last season. Sound familiar. All along many backed him to the hilt. Let's hope Arsenal's resources mean we only get relegated from the top four but if Wenger signs for 3 more years anything could happen.

  94. Seven Kings Gooner

    Mar 22, 2016, 21:17 #86915

    My team is Arsenal pre 2006, Arsenal Stadium was so integral to all the club's achievements. I watched them for 3-4 years after the ill fated move and did not recognise them,something is lacking in the running of the team and if it is not changed it will become the culture of the club. If the manager is not the cause of this, then please Graham tell me who is,so he can be removed and we can all then move on together.

  95. Shu

    Mar 22, 2016, 21:11 #86914

    Well written but deluded . I don't want the same season after season .the fact he sold RVP to man utd and failed to add a outfield player last summer sums him up . No league title since 2004. Aldermaston with your friend corbyn no doubt , so so out of touch with reality, u and him.

  96. Nick T

    Mar 22, 2016, 21:08 #86913

    Exeter Gunner - nice job, torn to shreds!! Whatever side of the fence you sit this is possibly the worst article Ive ever read on this site.

  97. Hiccup

    Mar 22, 2016, 21:02 #86912

    Bravo Graham. That really has blown the wavering Simon Rose out of the water! Don't know why you feel the need to tell us about your stance against BNP marches or involvement in miners picket lines? Hardly comparable to defending an employee who's set up for life and taking home £8m a year on a football blog? And the word 'perspective' is always thrown at us? And as for angry and vulgar? I'm at the stage where to be totally honest if Wenger was given a 3 year contract I couldn't give a toss. It's all become rather tedious and boring, and if I have to endure Wenger for another 3 years, it's hardly the end of the world. He's part of the furniture now. Just more numbness to endure as far as Arsenal are concerned. The upside to a contract extension will be the entertainment of reading more AKB propaganda, which becomes more far fetched and hilarious with each passing season.

  98. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 20:31 #86911

    Greg, it probably was written five years ago (just not by old circular) and it was just as relevant then, it seems TOF's senior bathroom attendant likes nothing more than a trawl way back and a copy and paste.

  99. Alpha6bw

    Mar 22, 2016, 20:14 #86910

    Sorry graham the simple fact that Arsenal are going to be beaten to the title by a cash poor Leicester City and even worse those jokers from "White Hart Lane" are going to finish above Arsenal this season blows the "Mega Petrol Dollar Investment" excuse out of the water. This season was the gift of a chance for Arsenal to land the Premiership with Chelsea, Man Utd and some extent Man City in complete disarray but no Wenger still hasn't learned from his mistakes for over the past DECADE and the same mistakes keep happening, now Arsenal have now is a 4th place finish which is like promising a child that they're getting the toy/gift they always wanted only to be given a Birthday Card with a gift £10 Voucher and expect the upset kid to be Content! I'm not a child and certainly don't want a manager that treats it's supporters as if we are, Wenger just leave at the end season Arsenal will still be around it won't crumble like the "Tower of London" if the Ravens flew off!

  100. GoonerGoal!

    Mar 22, 2016, 20:08 #86909

    This kind of rambling is almost vomit inducing. Both Wenger and the writer are so out of date, out of touch, and out of their depth. Did I miss the banner wanting Wenger to be hung, drawn, and quartered, or was it simply a figment of the Graham Perry mind? He complains about Almunia, Senderos, Denilson and Bendtner but fails to recognize they were not foisted upon Wenger, they were his creations, his choices, or did that fact just pass the writer by in his efforts to declare his undying adoration of the old fraud? He’s obviously unable to recognize that 12 years of mediocre performances on the pitch falls squarely on the shoulders of the Great Dictator and those like him who allow Wenger to remain… KROENKE/GAZIDIS/WENGER OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  101. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 20:01 #86908

    In a game of tiddly winks (it sounds like a manhood competition at AKB central command) every player manages to get the counter in the tumbler at least once, TOF isn't even any good at tiddly winks. Go now you old fraud.

  102. Big Andy

    Mar 22, 2016, 19:56 #86907

    Graham, you post just sums up everything that's wrong with the club right now. "Better to keep being mediocre than actually try to be great" seems to be your argument. What a pathetic attitude.

  103. anthony walters

    Mar 22, 2016, 19:49 #86906

    mark i believe it is time for change but any defense of wenger and there is plenty of arguments to still defend him with there are extreme wenger out people on here who are just as insulting and abusive.ibelieve it is time for a change not because he is incompetent greedy or tight with the clubs money it is because despite having arguably the leagues best squad credit to him he built it.yet he fails to balance the team out ,make changes in formation,substitutions,pick horses for courses often enough to progress in the champions league and this year for those reasons we have almost certainly lost the title.players have let him down too mertesacker in particular recently though fans can say i told you so he is too slow goals we conceded recently weren't down to that.lack of desire indiscipline and sloppiness were.

  104. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 19:46 #86905

    Walter skinner has just been spotted on a mobile phone out side AKB central command, apparently the passer by managed to pick up the words, they want to believe.

  105. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 22, 2016, 19:20 #86904

    AW - that may be so but we are frequently insulted , attacked and apparently physically attacked for wanting him out. We see it all the time once we argue back they go running for the hills claiming we are a mob. Badarse was a prime example sanctimonious , rude and insulting then does a runner . Captain Frank has done him no favours

  106. anthony walters

    Mar 22, 2016, 19:07 #86903

    agree captain frank all arsenal fans have differing views healthy debate is possible without the extremes some go to one side or the other we are all supposed to be arsenal.mark from aylesbury the writer graham perry is exagerating in saying the banners were hang drawn and quartering wenger one totally respectful to him one not so but not abusive but my take is of course whilst they are free to do so as arsenal fans they shouldn't be displayed until we are mathematicaly out of the title race the negativity is not helpful.

  107. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 22, 2016, 18:52 #86902

    Captain Frank - Epic fail on Graham's behalf. Usual Wengerite rubbish insulting us as per usual that we are a rabble a mob a group ready to kick assualt at a moments notice. Here are the facts, banners say thanks for memories it's time to say goodbye - how is that anyway aggressive? Nutters coming on here saying they've beaten people up for saying. Fraid that's old Graham's mob claiming that old son. But do you know the real truth of this. Supporters on this website despite being branded all manner of things answer back firmly and authortively and then the instigator (Graham, Jameson, Colesore etc) run off crying and get fools like you to defend them. Graham's not providing answers he's part of the problem. Up the Arsenal down with Arsene

  108. Dartford gooner

    Mar 22, 2016, 18:38 #86901

    Graham, I give you two quotes from your hero, If they gave me £100 million I would give it back. If we came second for the next twenty years I would take that. Not the words of a winner.Most supporters don't hate the man and of course in the early years he did many good things for our club,but he is now past his best.Change can be a risk but change it must be.Also just how much longer would you give him to get it right, 10 years without a title , 20 years without a CL ?

  109. It's up for grabs now

    Mar 22, 2016, 18:28 #86900

    Graham your article reminds me of the saying – There are none so blind as those who can not see! Alternatively you remind me of that Romanian dictator Ceausescu, who continued to read his mega length speech on his balcony, whilst below him a revolution was happening, which resulted in his overthrow. He however remained oblivious to this fact, so deluded was he, so he continued reading assuming the noise below him was the people applauding him! Wenger is finished end off, and no amount of desperate support for him with articles like this one will change this fact. I don’t doubt he will continue to cling on, but the jury has now overwhelmingly decided that enough is enough. It’s just simply going to get uglier, until it finally sinks into his egotistical head that we no longer want him under any circumstances. What you are saying is that you want our club to remain divided for another three years, rather than someone new coming in whom we can all unite behind, that shows you support Arsene and not Arsenal.

  110. Bob

    Mar 22, 2016, 18:21 #86899

    "Maybe a little too early to make a final judgement"....no mate, about 7 years later than we should have done. I don't want any more groundhog days. Irrespective of the next 9 matches, he must go in May.

  111. anthony walters

    Mar 22, 2016, 18:14 #86898

    ctgooner the experienced players around wenger adams keown dixon vieira etc and strong characters of course influenced and developed players as much as the coaches and wenger.what i will say is i think all round the world the standard of football has dropped at grass roots level of which i have been involved for many years right through to the top clubs in europe.whilst technical skills athleticism and maybe tactical knowledge may have improved in general team spirit mental toughness resilience and leadership qualities have suffered .we are a more individual selfish world that is reflected in football.it is not only arsenal lacking leaders how many are there anywhere?as good as this current barcelona team is that is down to the front 3 i dont believe they are as good as liverpool or the great ac milan sides of the eighties or nineties.in fact i looked at the players in the 1990 world cup semi final teams italy england germany and argentina and only argentina have a squad anywhere near as good these days.i certainly don't look at the past with rose coloured glasses as ronaldo and messi are ywo of the greatest of all time but do believe standards have dropped.arsenals squad in 2002 winning at ot was i believe our best i repeat seaman lauren keown campbell cole edu vieira parlour ljunberg kanu wiltord.bergkamp and grimandi on the bench amongst others and van bronkhurst pires adams and henry injured!3 of our what i regard our 4 best players henry adams pires injured only vieira played against a superb manu side.yes our standards have dropped but we aren't the only ones .

  112. Greg

    Mar 22, 2016, 18:11 #86897

    Absolute load of old tosh article. Written at least 5 years too late

  113. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 22, 2016, 17:48 #86896

    Graham why not give him 10 years in fact let him manage until he dies then mummify him put him in an open coffin and play a voice track over and over mental speerit , mental speerit. That will drive the team to a title! 12 years and counting sunshine same **** different year, over and over again

  114. Wenger Must Go

    Mar 22, 2016, 17:30 #86895

    "He is close." Close to what? Going out of the European Cup at the Quarter Final stage instead of the round of 16? Ranieri could be the Premier League bride in May. I haven't coached tiddlywinks team but you have worked half a day in football? Poor piece.

  115. CT Gooner

    Mar 22, 2016, 17:17 #86894

    @AW. I once believed that Wenger had a gift for spotting talent, especially prior to '08. Unfortunately I tend to think there was more luck involved than skill, primarily as he hasn't really replicated it since. That assessment may also be unfair, perhaps he still is very good at spotting talent, he just can't develop it, as prior to '06 the experienced players may have had more of a role in player development. All we can definitively say is that our squad today may be technically excellent, it pales in comparison to our squad of the early '00s. I also believe a great manager wouldn't have been forced to sell his best players while we were building the stadium. Wenger could have chosen not to waste his valuable resources rather than loose his brightest starts, it's the wasting of the precious resources I'm most bothered about.

  116. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 22, 2016, 17:06 #86893

    Cap'n Frank - if Graham is going to characterise those against Wenger as wanting him 'hung drawn and quartered', as 'burning effigies' of him, of not knowing what they're talking about because they don't have a coaching badge... if he says 'I do not know best' but then firmly states 'It does not add up, it does not make sense, he is close'... then he's pretty obviously going get some back. However, the overwhelming majority of comments have attacked the points he's made, not the man. They just happen to be very weak points that are easily pulled apart. But yes, as jjetplane points out, thanks for the entertainment.

  117. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 17:02 #86892

    jj, yes i'm sure the boys in Afghanistan or where ever they are now would love to have Old circular lying beside them behind a sand dunne with 50 isis coming up the other side, he'd show them. You couldn't make it up.

  118. Captain Frank

    Mar 22, 2016, 16:51 #86891

    Guys – Leave Graham alone. I’ve met him on a few occasions and he’s a good guy who has been a staunch Arsenal fan for more years than I care to remember. He has his views and is brave enough to put them out there for people to read. I don’t agree with them, but surely we can debate the points and stay classy at the same time? Without people like Graham there would be fewer articles for you all to comment on and that would be pretty boring for all concerned. The Gooner has always claimed to be a home for all Arsenal fans so I applaud Kevin for running this piece as it is clearly at odds with his own views.

  119. anthony walters

    Mar 22, 2016, 16:46 #86890

    ct in addition to my previous post ashley cole was the best left back in the world developed under wenger he had to sell many of his best players and replaced them well anelka replaced by henry petit by gilberto overmars by pires etc in the early years .nasri cole clichy rvp song hleb sagna fabregas he wanted to keep and yes the experiment with denilson eboue almunia didnt work i accept that but most replacements have done pretty well.it depends on definition of world class for a start but wenger had to sell some of his players as i said i think he in general done well. regarding the later years why haven't players and the team in general developed and won more stuff they as they could and should have done?ie ramsey chamberlain walcott whilst ramsey and walcott have done some good things and scored in cup finals lets nit forget unlike bergkamp and henry who played nine between them zilch goals.i suspect at an educated guess only it's some of their faults aren't being identified and dealt with enough and an inbalance of too many small lightweight attacking midfielders mean they are being asked to do too much of what they aren't good at .only an educated guess that's all.i think also other teams elsewhere spend huge amounts on young talent so the competition is greater.

  120. Hi Berry

    Mar 22, 2016, 16:30 #86889

    And right on queue I read a few days ago that we have six or seven 'wonderkids' all about to burst into the first team. Obviously it would be madness to get rid of Wenger now just as his life's work is about to bear fruition with his 'wonderkids' romping away with the league next season and showing Barca how an proper youth academy should be run.

  121. jjetplane

    Mar 22, 2016, 16:24 #86888

    '....come on chaps (fellow gunners what) - let's have some reason...' I love this dad's red and white army stuff! Woder how Mr Rose is feeling now that Arsene FC have exterminated the Goodison vermin and have showed 'they relly want it.' Good to see the players humbly clapping the fans at Goodison having one yet another Cusp Cup ... ps WOR = nasty + ugly.

  122. King Jeremy

    Mar 22, 2016, 16:15 #86887

    The biggest error in your article Graham is the assumption that the poor form and crumbling under pressure are somehow new phenomena only witnessed this season. The are anything but. Were these problems acknowledged with humility and actioned via the transfer market in years gone by the I think you would find the mood quite different now. But they haven't been. Instead of humility and an acknowledgement that things are not good enough, the man entrenches and digs in for the fight. If I really though he would change the habit of a lifetime and cut his losses on the failures that are Walcott and the Ox and make real efforts to sign that elusive "top, top quality" then I'd be in the "give him time" camp. But he has steadfastly refused to change and this close season will be no different. In fact, it will probably be worse - he feels under fire so he will do what he does best - entrench and not be for turning. And so next season will be more of the same. And so for that reason, sadly, he should no longer be manager of Arsenal.

  123. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 16:13 #86886

    It's hilarious how you try and make these so called articles/circulars sound important and have some kind of relevance by putting Arsenal in front of them, I can assure you it doesn't work, it's just more AKB wengerite gobbledegook dressed up, circular would be far more relevant and appropriate.

  124. anthony walters

    Mar 22, 2016, 15:57 #86885

    ct wengers greatest assett has been spotting and developing talent and in the early years building fantastic teams .he still can spot and nurture good players bellerin monreal elneny recent koscielney to name a few at the moment.you asked people to name world class players he developed i named them most in the early years.i also posted before that chamberlain walcott and chambers came from southampton have any of them really developed? i don't think so which means he isn't as good as that as he was.wenger was never the most tactically brilliant manager nor mentally the toughest even at his best .director of football at a club would be a great role for him somewhere now if he would accept it.i am not behind the scenes but i suspect pat rice and steve bould are and were limited in how much they were allowed to say to the players and influence .

  125. Roy

    Mar 22, 2016, 15:55 #86884

    So Graham, let's get this straight. As of now, you think that Wenger merits being in charge for another 4 years ? Really ? This reads rather like there being an overwhelming weight of evidence against a defendant and then they get off on a technicality. Please don't insult the intelligence of those of us who can see that Wenger has quite clearly had his day. To my mind he ran out of credit 3 years ago, and though I'd half hoped I may be proved wrong, that hasn't been the case as this season he has been badly found out. And if the Spuds end up parading around with a title that we know should have been ours and you still feel the same way, then I can only recommend that you seek some kind of treatment for your delusion. Maybe you can make an appointment with OGL himself. No more of this dross, please.

  126. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 15:48 #86883

    So easily pulled apart (and rightly so) like a freshly cooked tender chicken.

  127. CT Gooner

    Mar 22, 2016, 15:19 #86882

    @ AW. Not as silly as you may think. Funny how you've selected players from his first dozen years?? Unfortunately, given how talented & inspirational the players we had then were, I'm not convinced we can credit Wenger & Pat Rice with bringing out the best in these guys. So lets give him half the credit and you mentioned 2/3 in 20 years, that's quite poor no? Or if you feel he deserves full credit, why pray tell has he never been able to replace any of the players you mention? If he had, I think some of his tactical deficiencies would still be hidden.

  128. Charles

    Mar 22, 2016, 15:06 #86881

    What exactly do you think will change if Wenger gets a 3 year contract extension? It will continue to count success as 4th place and the last 16 in europe. He's had money to spend recently and the squad has continued to be lacking in depth and quality and we will continue to drop points at home to rubbish teams due to slow tippy tappy sideways passing for the first half letting teams settle in to their defensive pattern.

  129. jjetplane

    Mar 22, 2016, 14:26 #86879

    Perry goes up river in search of Col Kurtz and finds Arsene Webster. He is enthralled and paints his face in allegiance and then comes back to the real world and tells those who will listen '..... better he stays ... than is cast out...' being conclusively the biblical mumbo-jumbo we have come to know and laugh at. Classic stuff and loved the bit where you punched that horse as in Blazing Saddles on the Yorkshire Moors and then proceeded to take out the entire police force of Essex with your trusty Johnny Seven. Truly you are a contender an d wish you well when they dropped you behind IS lines .... Here's to another 3 years of circulars and much merriment. One little matter - you knee-jerked back on for third reply but have now gone off radar so to speak. Can we assume you have gone to an unknown airfield and thence to .....

  130. 71guns

    Mar 22, 2016, 14:23 #86878

    "The outcome might be more fulfilling"! Than what? And how long do we endure this rough ride? The point is Graham, it's not the media we need to stand up to - we're not living in fear, and the truth is many of us don't believe in Wenger anymore it doesn't matter what he's done in the past if you can't maintain it you get replaced, that's football (and and an annual salary of millions). So what if he's got Arsenal in his blood we all have but his time is up and rather than bowing out gracefully we have one good week and two bad hanging on for dear life every year before we fall away at the end... Repeat. Cher is still making records as is Elton John and Rod Stewart but none of them are top ten anymore why? Because it's not 1975 and things have changed... Much the same as religious 'nuts' you can't argue with the brainwashed, yes we all know Arsene revolutionised the club and took us to new heights but that stopped around 2008. 2008! Does that legacy grant him immunity from prosecution ever? And so you and you entourage believe in him - what does that actually mean? Are you content with how everything is or do you have inside information about silverware coming our way? I can see why people would gravitate to the old English values associated with Arsenal, I remember fondly being greeted at the door of the East stand when I was mascot on the late 80's - we had 7 players in the England team and we were proud to be British. Arsenal stadium was like no other and we've always had a class about us (unlike the mob up the road) We have set the standards for doing thing right but surely the longevity is a by-product of the success not the other way round and of course in an ideal world we'd only want people that live, breath, eat and sleep Arsenal but that's not real life is it? We are the fans the employees are there to do a job. With that logic we either employ a life long Arsenal fan or we give someone the job, hopefully win a few trophies, allow the club to seep into their veins over a period of years and then never get rid of them regardless of results? Hang on... This is not a sensible way to run a football club - it's a results business decisions have to be made with the brain not the heart, if a player is also a fan and loves the club does he keep his place in the side if he's not good enough? And then at the very top of the pile you've got Mr Kroenke a man rarely seen at the ground and who's sporting interests lie elsewhere - someone who like many other foreign owners/ largest shareholders has said he'd like to pass the club down to his son! F*ck off - this is not a toy! As I said whilst I truly believe Wengers time is very much up if the books are balancing (very nicely in fact) he is under no pressure to quit and I see no danger of him being asked to go...

  131. prof x

    Mar 22, 2016, 14:22 #86877

    Ahhhh... nice work OLG!! Now u censore the AOB comments section.. where are my comments???

  132. anthony walters

    Mar 22, 2016, 14:11 #86876

    norsgeneral read my posts agree with most of what you say those two holding midfield positions should only be held be four players unless changing formation in a game or chasing a game ie coquelin elneny chambers and a fit wilshire all the others aren't suited to it i hope he doesn't play ramsey there again i been saying it for ages .ramsey should be played in physical away games sometimes instead of ozil or on the right with bellerin overlapping possibly.on the substitutions i agree it's so predictable and he rarely changes anything but personell seldom the shape is never proactive. though wenger could argue under him we score more goals in injury time than any other premier league team .

  133. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 13:58 #86875

    Gaz, I checked the date myself to see if it was April fools day.

  134. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 13:38 #86874

    prof x, well said, TOF's chief bathroom attendant accusing others of doing what he's doing himself, and it goes right over his head, typical wengerite, you couldn't make it up.

  135. Norsgeneral

    Mar 22, 2016, 13:37 #86873

    One other point Graham, I thought the team looked better balanced than anytime in the last five year at Everton on Saturday. also we had physically imposing players in the team, Iwobi, Wellbeck, Elneny, & Coqulain, all carried a presence. We usually get bullied at Everton, but on Saturday we did the bullying. This should be the starting outfield ten( Gabriel is still a bit dodgy) for every game with the strong Elneny/Coq axis. But alas, just watch our amoeba of a manager, re pick Ramsey as soon as he is fit, unbalancing the side and leaving us open once again in midfield. I will wager a year's salary on it.

  136. anthony walters

    Mar 22, 2016, 13:35 #86872

    wenger has taken us as far as he can but comments like has he made anyone world class are embaressing? ummm deeeeerrrr what were thierry henry ,patrick vieira ,robin van persie ,cesc fabregas before arsene got them?just talented youngsters. not to mention kolo toure,robert pires,adebayor,sagnas consistency all improving massively under wenger with pires probably becoming world class.ridiculous question ctgooner.

  137. jeff wright

    Mar 22, 2016, 13:34 #86871

    Exeter, I should have made it clear that it was the CND campaign that these protesters were wrong about.I opposed the USA involvement in Vietnam myself as I did the Labor government invading IRAQ ,that was an even bigger disaster than Vietnam. It is no coincidence that since the West and Russia - or the old Soviet Union - both had nuclear weapons that there has not been any war in Europe for the first time in centuries. The lefty ideological belief that if we scrap our weapons so will everyone else is just bonkers. It will never happen ,no sane person likes atomic bombs but once the genie was out the bottle it was never going to go back there .Graham probably supports Jeremy Corbyn who peddles the ideological anti-nuclear weapons line - even if the majority of his party oppose it .So no surprise that Graham supports Wenger who is seen as being some sort of idealist in football - although this is just a sham put on to disguise the actual reality of Arsene the accountant's true money making motivated persona.

  138. Norsgeneral

    Mar 22, 2016, 13:25 #86870

    Graham, let me spell it out for you. It's not about the money spent on awful defenders, or the ridiculous contracts given to over the hill players. Its the basic running of the team. Anyone who has coached at any level of football, will tell you, the first and most important component needed is, to be able to react and adapt to the changing face of a game. Because, no two games are the same. You need to think on your feet at all times. With this in mind, can you tell me where, deciding on your subs and not bringing them on until the 70th minute of every single game, regardless of score, or the changing nature of the circumstances in front of you, is beneficial to any side? No you cannot, and the reason you cannot, is because is is completely incompetent to do this, a total dereliction of duty for any manager, especially for someone on 8 mill a year. Arsene Wenger has been doing this for 10 years, yes 10 years. He, as at Everton, decides on the players to be subbed and unless injury strikes, will take off those players. The Nou Camp, best players on the park for Arsenal, Wellbeck and Iwobi, no matter, off they came for Walcott and Giroud. That in itself renders the man unfit to manage. Pure and simple. He had it, but he has lost it and its time to go. Just accept it.

  139. Sammydgooner

    Mar 22, 2016, 13:22 #86869

    I cannot agree with anything you say jeff right as it all seems very tilted towards your anti AFC agenda and like so many of your views are lopsided mentioning only negatives with positives Conveniently neglected.However I do agree with you about lefty's as I can't stand them either.

  140. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 13:11 #86868

    Old tired out of date Circular (just like his messiah)really showing his true colours now, (as if we didn't know already) trying to act hard, I done this and that, I stood up to this (i'll not sleep tonight now) trying to push his weight about, NO your messiah is everything you say he's not, and more. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  141. CT Gooner

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:57 #86867

    No, many of us see the selling years as a sham. Let's recall, the board were never honest about the financials, but I'll bet you'll find over that period that our total transfer costs and team salary were 4th and 4th so not really a surprise we finished fourth. The bigger surprise was that the coach never achieved more. I'd rather a manager that can punch above his weight and develops world class players. Can anyone name a player Wenger made world class?? Come on Graham, there must be one...

  142. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:57 #86866

    Too early to make a final judgement, did you ever hear such shyte in your life ? it just keeps spewing out, maybe it's not right laughing. wenger out.

  143. Rex Skeeter

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:52 #86864

    Perry has it right, again.

  144. Guy in Jersey

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:50 #86863

    P.S. I'm not a regular listener as I think the likes of Robbie Savage and Ian Wright as informed commentators or useful presenters is a joke, but did anyone hear the flip-flopping Arsenal fan who couldn't decide if he wanted Arsene in or out because he'd just won his last match. Pathetic. If your view as to whether he should stay or go depends on whether he wins or loses a match, you're obviously too indecisive and clueless to contribute to any debate. Similalry, those who unveiled an 'Arsene out' banner at our recent win at Hull were perfectly entitled to do so. A solitary win should not obscure the pig's ear he's made of our supposed title challenge for the last few years. I made up my mind up about Wenger a long time ago and making the top four again is not going to change that opinion. For a club as wealthy and privileged as ours, top 4 is the absolute minimum requirement.

  145. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:49 #86862

    jeff, your post was good until the second last sentence. Are you seriously suggesting those that marched against the BNP and against Vietnam were proven wrong?? Just as the Wengerites are in the wrong but will get their way as Wenger will carry on anyway, the protestors were in the right but up against a more powerful establishment. Where Graham is fundamentally in error is in drawing an analogy between those protestors and Wenger, as if he is some sort of outsider. He is not, he is the establishment.

  146. anthony walters

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:46 #86861

    firstly graham i do hold a level 2 coaching certificate and i managed and coach adult and kids teams in my local area for around 20 years and know more than anyone it is nowhere near as simplistic as many people think .arsene wengers consistency is brilliant and yes opinions signing this that and the other player often a load of old tosh and lacking in reality more often than not. we came though some difficult financial years finished top 4 won two fa cups in a row once purse strings were loosened.he has won plenty over the years but was responsible for the mental breakdowns of the team with his handling of birmimgham away 2008 ,the carling cup final v chelsea at cardiff where we list all manner of discipline and after losing the 49 game unbeaten run we tossed that title away.of course all managers make mistakes and mostly nobody complains atcarsene losing the league in 99 or v liverpool in cardiff 2001 cup final as we gave our best .this season though the players simply have not pwrformed in the crunch because i believe as many do one quite often the midfield has far too many attack minded players in it and the defense has not shown enough desire or organisation.these are arsenes players as good a squad as in the league yet mentally not resilient enough not positinally disciplined enough the buck has to stop wirh arsene.in the past i always despite his faults felt and still do feel he gets a lot more right than wrong .player recruitment he still i believe is the best in the league .deploying the players in a balanced system to get the best out of them individually and collectively,motivating the players ,dealing with the teams faults he has one too many times now failed.which is why i say it is time to say thanks arsene you lead our club magnificently into the 21st century you did more than anyone to put us in a position to challenge europes elite we have a super squad you built but have not looked being a success for years there we need to move on and try somebody else to progress us even if it is a risk .

  147. mbg

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:46 #86860

    Well it's a day late but we've got our laugh anyway, and what a question to ask, what planet are these people living on, you really couldn't make it up, don't give up the day job. Go now you old fraud.

  148. Highbury Boy

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:41 #86859

    You want someone at the helm who "lives,breathes,eats and sleeps Arsenal". That's most of the fans on here. I want someone who can win the PL and have a meaningful go at the CL for Arsenal. I leave it to others to go into detail about his transfer policy,tactics etc but one point I predicted would be brought up by his supporters was the emergence of Iwobi. It's not long ago that his fans were saying Sanogo was going to be the best thing since slice bread. Give Iwobi a chance to prove himself. He's only had one PL start.It's always jam tomorrow. And yes Graham we all know we will hear less (probably nothing) about Flamini,Arteta and Rosicky. Even Wenger won't renew their contracts.

  149. Gaz

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:40 #86858

    Ok, after reading the comments I decided to read the whole article. It's a wind up pure and simple...

  150. Guy in Jersey

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:39 #86857

    Bloody hell, this type of really tests my patience. Wenger is taking this club nowhere, and is becoming increasingly out of touch with the requirements of the modern game. He no longer has an edge in any area except financially, and that's the one asset he's seemingly unwilling to utilize. Arsene Wenger signifies tired thinking, acceptance of mediocrity, timidity, stagnation, dated practices, weak leadership, and the continuing non-application of any tactical nous or flexibility. I'm resigned to the fact that he'll stay for another season, but (PLEASE GOD) no more.

  151. jeff wright

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:34 #86856

    Wenger demanded a pay rise before signing the current 8m+ a season contract that he has . So there was obviously a money motivated aspect to him agreeing to grace us with his saintly presence.In fact everything is money motivated with Wenger - then again he is by trade an accountant so this should not really be so surprising. For years he claimed that a lack of money by himself made it impossible to compete with the Petro fueled money clubs -they ran on oil while we ran on sweat according to Arsene. Many of us never bought those claims along with the ones that when honest as the day is long fellow Frenchman Platini's fair play rules would sort it all out when they came into force and then Arsene would be king - because he was better than these clubs who bought success . Now though reality has kicked in and Wenger has been exposed for what he is a mediocre manager who sees 4th place in the league as being the first trophy to be won and is anyway most seasons the only one won. 20 years of failure in Europe but qualification to just produce constant failure is dressed up like mutton as lamb to be claimed a success. Obviously it's not happy families behind the scenes at AFC but there is no one among the gray suited business execs who knows anything about football .They are all busy trying to drum up money by various nefarious means for Syrupy Stan back on the ranch in the good old U.S of A. Wenger's position is safe by default because so long as the cash keeps rolling in old Stan can't see anything to get fussed about .He doesn't care about winning trophies or if the spuds finish ahead of us or not.Ivan who runs the business model at AFC believes in all football clubs helping one another out to make money .He doesent understand the tribal type warfare of English football and is not in the least interested in winning trophies if it costs money to do so. Wenger himself is happy to go along with this school of thought where profit comes before trophies because he gets well reimbursed for doing this . Next season it will just be deja vu the past ten .We have seen before that new managers can come in and revitalize clubs who want to win trophies so it is just wishful thinking that ones such as City or Chelsea are doomed to fail by changing managers and spending money on new signings .We can still expect to see Wenger trying to get Wilshere to play a dozen games and a bearded Ramsey poncing about in midfield or out wide depending on who is injured or fit. A lot off optimism will be put on young Iwobi progressing and Wally after 12 years finally living up to the hype and his big wages. Chelsea supporters and other clubs ones will continue to sing songs about how they love Wenger and post on AFC forums supporting him. Good old Arsene. By the way Graham the fact that you and other lefty peac-nics were proven WRONG about everything that you protested about seems to have gone over your head. No surprise though to see that you still believe in the monsieur from Alsace. You couldn't make it up.

  152. Gaz

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:28 #86855

    With all due respect fella the second I read the bit where you want him to sign a new three year deal was when I stopped bothered reading...

  153. AMG

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:25 #86854

    What a crock, you are seriously deluded. How many times does he need to fail before it will sink in?

  154. Made Up Stat

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:21 #86853

    Graham, what immediately came to my mind when reading this tosh was the ‘That Was The Week That Was’ sketch where John Cleese, Ronnie Barker and Ronnie Corbett discuss class. Ronnie Corbett (playing a lower class character) says in deference to Cleese (upper class) and Barker (middle class): ‘I know my place’. In effect, who are we to question our ‘betters’. Your piece is such supine, obsequious drivel that's not only nauseous but also an abhorrent insult to the intelligence to anyone with half an enquiring mind. I leave the finer points of your ‘argument’ to the spot-on counter by the ever reliable Exeter Gunner.

  155. Bard

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:11 #86852

    Graham this article offers nothing new. It's all been done and dusted both sides of the divide as Ron has said.

  156. Spike

    Mar 22, 2016, 12:07 #86851

    So you would have offered Stuart Lancaster another three years with the England rugby team rather than bring in Eddie Jones.

  157. scorp

    Mar 22, 2016, 11:33 #86850

    Up there with the worst articles ever posted on this site. Well done sir.

  158. Red Member

    Mar 22, 2016, 11:20 #86849

    Graham - I feel sorry for you I really do. May I advise you to read up on the history of this great club and then perhaps you will realise that 4th place each season isnt really an achievement. WENGER OUT NOW

  159. Rob

    Mar 22, 2016, 11:13 #86848

    Arsenal Circular - if you insist on dropping a Party Political Broadcast for the Militant Tendency- or whatever it now calls itself - into a supposed football column, you can hardly whine if some of us dismiss it. There's nothing 'nasty' about that. As to the gist of your argument that we should stick with Wenger because of his commitment to the Club - some of us might point out that £8.5 million buys a lot of 'commitment ' and that he'd be hard pushed to get half that elsewhere and that elsewhere would expect something more than a constant shot at fourth place. I still have a lot of admiration for what AW has done for us in the last twenty years. But it us clear that he can no longer motivate the players. They have no mental strength whatsoever and he was never the greatest tactician to begin with. All Managers have their time span. And he has had his. The sight of Leicester eleven points clear scuppers the more money argument completely. And in my view he has nothing else to hide behind. We need to move on.

  160. Far far away fan

    Mar 22, 2016, 11:11 #86847

    Exeter Gunner- Well said. You must have an organized mind to think so logically. I felt all that you said in an emotional way.

  161. Sammydgooner

    Mar 22, 2016, 11:10 #86846

    Great article and imho Wenger should be fully backed.The last game of the season Villa sold out in less than an hour,hopefully to see Wenger sign a new 3 year deal.Lots of the usual insults from the Wenger knockers.

  162. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 22, 2016, 11:07 #86845

    This has so many holes in it, it's hard to know where to begin, but I'll give it a go: 1. In your last circular you said you'd be judging him at the end of the season. Now based on a single league win you want him to stay an extra 3 years. 2. 'hung, drawn and quartered' melodramatic nonsense. The wish is simply that he leaves his job, going off to do whatever else he likes. 3. 'too early to make a final judgment' - but you have done so, another 3 years. 4. You don't have to be a 'soccer [?] expert' see the opportunity Wenger has been waiting for all these years has been blown this season. There is no excuse. 5. Those poor players he kept us in the top 4 with were his choices, not forced upon him by anyone. AFC still had one of the highest wage bills and achieved par with 4th, no incredible overachievement going on there, that's a myth. 6. You say he 'cannot admit' some of the players aren't up to it, yet he is still 'best placed' to get it right. Spot the fault in this argument. 7. I'm afraid desire, determination and working all hours aren't enough if your methodology has self-evident, endemic flaws that play themselves out season after season. Once again, you don't need to be a 'soccer expert' to see that, they are played out before our eyes. Only the wilfully blind cannot see that. 8. 20 years shows AFC most definitely aren't a managerial merry-go-round club. Again, it's no use how committed he is if the performances and results aren't there. 9. It is not 'strong' to carry on supporting Wenger in the face of all the evidence. It is weak, based on fear of change. In summary, a poorly constructed, self-contradicting argument based on sentimental, weak reasoning.

  163. Alsace

    Mar 22, 2016, 11:02 #86844

    He is not close. He is not proximate. This is a deteriorating situation. If you can't see that this season proves his inadequacy, then it is impossible to show you. A properly led Leicester City are going to win the league. If they do not, then a properly led and organised Tottenham Hotspur will do so. Is there literally no humiliation that you will have our club endure before you part from our glorious leader?

  164. Ron

    Mar 22, 2016, 11:01 #86843

    The in or out debate has raged for so long now, its an irrelevancy. Every angle has been explored and exhausted. Really cant see why its being re ignited again now. AWs going nowhere until hes ready. End of debate for me.

  165. Far far away fan

    Mar 22, 2016, 11:00 #86842

    First of all, I would like to commend your bravery to post this article in such an environment. It truly is unsafe for AKBs. This article brought a tear to my eye...that Wenger has you so deceived. Secondly, all this 4th-place-when-we-were-a-selling-club doesn't warrant such reverence. During the 2006-13 period there were at best one or two clubs that would fight us for 4th unlike now when you have 4-5 clubs good enough to reach 3rd or 4th. During this "selling period", we were pushed by Villa, Everton and Spurs in different years for the 4th spot and looking back at their team sheets you would have to agree that they were over reaching. To put into perspective, we had RvP, Cesc, Nasri and others who we would gladly have in our current team. So, in effect, we 4th place was ours almost by default. If we had Almunia and Denilson in our squad it is because Wenger persisted with them when every Tom, Dick and Harry knew they were duds. Hardly a trait of a good manager. Again, a large chunk of this time was pre-City. There were only Utd and Chelsea (one season under that Brazilian chap and another under Avrom Grant) that claimed supremacy. A lot of us look at the 2008 squad and maybe the 2011 squad and think we had the best team on paper. So please, please, please don't praise Wenger for finishing 4th. Lastly, David Dein was aggressive in his transfers. He went to extreme lengths to ensure Arsenal stayed dominant. Wenger on the other hand, happily stood by as we got humiliated time and again. Graham, I will only speak for myself here and not the rest of the WOR when I say it was the humiliating defeats against our rivals rather than the lack of silverware that hurt me the most. So I say with conviction, Wenger must go

  166. goonersol

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:57 #86841

    Same old, groundhog day etc , etc....we have all been here before, many, many times. Afc are the only club to have set prem records for all the wrong reasons, losing championships, getting hammered by other teams, losing a 4-nil lead, not to mention dodgy signings etc, etc...( I know we have a few good points as well) All this happened under one mans leadership, its time for change, he cannot take us any further. Lets get behind the team one last time so as we can finish above the spuds, then hopefully wave goodbye to Mr W........

  167. Torbay gooner

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:57 #86840

    Graham to summarise your article you want the manager to continue for another three years, because you believe that he is close to winning a title. Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion, as we finished 12 points behind Chelski last season and as we speak are 11 points behind LEICESTER(albeit with a game in hand). Sorry I felt that I had to emphasise that it was Leicester and not the 'money clubs'topping this season's table. Did you not watch the recent performance versus Watford( I note that you did not post after that game) and consider that there was something fundamentally wrong with the team's attitude and in the manager's parlance 'spirit'. Those performances have been sadly common, since the Southampton thrashing. We have won three games in our last ten, for comparison Swansea and Bournemouth have won five. We are not challenging for the title, that barring a miracle has gone for yet another season and you are happy for that to continue for another three seasons. You are the type of supporter that this current regime is reliant on, one that just goes with the status quo, won't rock the boat and is grateful for an Everton type of performance once in a while! Sorry but I would like and expect more from a club with Arsenal's massive resources.

  168. prof x

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:55 #86839

    Arsenal circular.. u are the purest insult to a proper football FAN!! No shame no ambition no desire to win. Same as your guru. let's have some reason rather than more of the same old... haha.. u cant make this up!!! With wenger we got every time.. Hav u done your daily pray to arsene the fraudster yet???

  169. BigGoonerDave

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:49 #86838

    I read the first paragraph and stopped,couldn't bear to read an opinion of another deluded fan.

  170. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:48 #86837

    The same old lack of transfers every preseason. The same old defensive mistakes every season. The same old injury hit squad every season. The same old lack of purchases in the January window every season. The same old collapse post Christmas every season. The same old April winning run to secure top 4 every season. The same old manager every season.

  171. Charles

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:43 #86836

    No he is not close to winning the league and his actions show he has no ambition to win the league or the champions league. He is not the best placed person to get it right. It does makes sense to sack him.

  172. Peter Wain

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:40 #86835

    Wenger has had too many chances and made the same mistakes year on year. At this time of year we are linked to every player and the amount we have to spend increases to over a hundred million. Wait once the season ticket deadline has passed - we will have signed no one and the money will shrink. Gazidis will go to AST only answer prepared questions tell them to be patient as it is a difficult window this year. We continue to be linked but come the end of the window if we have signed anybody I will be amazed. By September/October we will have the normal injury crisis caused in part from having to play our better players in most matches. Wenger will plead to be judged at the end of the season and we will win nothing. Cue for the stories about how much money we have and who we are going to bye then start again.

  173. Arsenal Circular

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:37 #86834

    you see what I mean - pure insult - ugly - nasty - is that what football comment is all about? Come on chaps - let's have some reason rather than more of the same old...

  174. RegGooner

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:36 #86833

    Be careful what you wish for Wenger haters.

  175. There is no hope

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:25 #86832

    Shouldn't this have been posted on Untold Arsenal for all the Malaysian Gooner Superfans to read?

  176. sick of AW

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:21 #86831

    Ohhhh! Come on OLG.. This must b trolling of the highiest order! Why did u publish this kind of BS?? horrendous read similar to some brainless religious mantra. Whats next? A call to make this french fraud a saint with lifetime contract and change club name to ARSENE FC!!

  177. prof x

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:11 #86830

    OMG!! another deluded beliver sheep!!! Im lost for words.. shocking stuff. HOPE u will leave with your god a follow him out of the club

  178. Rob

    Mar 22, 2016, 10:07 #86829

    Wow ! Vietcong Rambos for Wenger. Well you can't say the OLG doesn't cover the full spectrum of wackiness, can you ?