#ThrowbackThursday – Arsenal v Watford

Part one of a look back at the history of the Hornets’ clashes with the Gunners



#ThrowbackThursday – Arsenal v Watford


Watford F.C. were founded in 1881 as Watford Rovers when the Earl of Essex granted a group of local boys the use of the grounds of Cassiobury House to play Football (Cassiobury House was later demolished in 1909 and the grounds were purchased by Watford Borough Council who created Cassiobury Park). The club were renamed as West Hertfordshire in 1890 joined the Southern League in 1896 and then, on merging with Watford St. Mary’s in 1898 became known as simply Watford Football Club. Watford played Woolwich Arsenal twice in the FA Cup within five seasons, both at the Manor Ground in Plumstead. In February 1906 Arsenal won 3-0 in the Second round of the FA Cup, while in January 1910 Arsenal won again by the same score line in the first round. The two sides however would not meet again in a competitive game for the next seventy years.

Watford joined the Football League in 1920 with the formation of the Third Division and moved to their Vicarage Road home in 1922. After the Third tier of English football was split between North and South, Watford remained in the Third Division South until 1958 when a nationwide third and Fourth Division of the Football League was created, after the regional split was abolished. During that period, noteworthy events for the Hornets include reaching the FA Cup Quarter Final in 1932, suffering a 0-5 defeat to eventual Cup winners Newcastle United at St. James’s Park. Watford switched to the role of giants when featuring in a Pathe piece against non-league Southall in third round of the FA Cup in 1936. Watford also hosted Man United at Vicarage Road in the fourth round in 1950, losing 0-1.

Watford dropped into the fourth tier of English football and remained there for two seasons, finally winning their first promotion after forty years in 1959/60, fired to a fourth place finish in Division Four by former Arsenal forward Cliff Holton who had a record of 84 goals in 120 games for the Hornets between 1958 and 1961. Watford spent nearly a decade in the third tier of English football, the most noteworthy occurrence being the signing of Pat Jennings from Newry as an eighteen year old in 1963. Jennings played one season with Watford (and can be seen in action for the Hornets here against Peterborough in the FA Cup in November 1963) before moving to Spurs and later Arsenal in 1977. This here is Pat’s edition of This is Your Life, when fellow Irishman Eamonn Andrews sprung the red book upon him after Arsenal defeated Spurs in the League Cup in 1983.

Watford were promoted to the second tier as Champions of the old third division in 1968/69. That same season, Watford were drawn away to European Champions Man United at Old Trafford. Prior to the game, manager Ken Furphy’s team talk in full was captured by the BBC. In the event, Watford shocked United by taking the lead with a long range shot after two minutes. Denis Law equalised, but Watford held on for a 1-1 draw and a replay back at Vicarage Road, in which United inflicted a 0-2 defeat. Watford’s year for Cup upsets however would come the following season in 1969/70. After disposing of Bolton in the third round, Watford eliminated top tier Stoke City in a 1-0 win at Vicarage Road.

After beating Gillingham in the fifth round, the Hornets got a plumb tie against Liverpool at Vicarage Road in the Quarter Final. In goal for Watford was future Norwich manager Mike Walker. Barry Davies announced that Mike became a father they day before, however the offspring was not future Spurs goalkeeper Ian, who was born the following year. For Liverpool seeking their first trophy for four season it must have seemed like a gift passage to the Semi Finals, however Watford pulled off a 1-0 win against Bill Shankly’s side to secure their place in the last four. Their prize would be a Semi Final tie against Chelsea at White Hart Lane.

Chelsea at the time were third in the top tier and in the event hammered Watford 5-1 to secure their place in the 1970 FA Cup Final. The night before that final Watford took place in the inaugural FA Cup Third/Fourth place playoff match at Highbury. This oddity of a fixture lasted for five seasons and only 15,105 bothered to turn out for. Watford spent three successive seasons in the second tier, all of which were spent in the bottom half, before dropping back to the third tier at the end of 1971/72 and then a further drop to fourth division after finishing second from bottom of the old third division in 1974/75.

It was during this period however that the club became adopted by Pop superstar Elton John, who was appointed President in 1973 and then Chairman in 1976. Elton’s birth name, as he tries to explain here to Alan Partridge, is Reginald Dwight and has a long association with the game as his cousin Roy Dwight scored, and was later carried off injured, in the 1959 FA Cup Final for Nottingham Forest. Elton was also the co-owner of NASL franchise the LA Aztecs, whose star attractions included George Best, Johan Cruyff and former Ajax and Holland manager Rinus Michels. The franchise however folded in 1981.

Elton however found greater success on this side of the Atlantic with Watford. In 1977, Elton head hunted upcoming manager thirty year old manager Graham Taylor who had won the Fourth Division title by a record number of points under a two-points for a win system in 1975/76. Bertie Mee had just parted company with Arsenal a year earlier and in 1977 wrote a letter to Watford offering his services. Graham Taylor later commented that: ‘neither Elton John nor myself could believe a man of such standing was having to write a letter to try to find a position in the game’. Mee was initially appointed as Graham Taylor’s assistant, given special responsibility for scouting and youth policy (credited with discovering John Barnes) and later on the Watford board of Directors.

Taylor had said of Bertie Mee that he was: ‘the best signing I ever made…instead of Watford having just a crazy pop star as chairman and a young upstart as manager, making all sorts of noises about how they were going to go from the Fourth Division into European football, we had someone who immediately gave credibility to our ambitions’. Watford stormed the Fourth Division in 1977/78, becoming Champions with an eleven point margin over their nearest rivals. In 1978/79, the Hornets beat Gillingham 3-2 away on Match of the Day.

They also developed a reputation as giant killers in the League Cup, disposing of Newcastle in the Second round, before beating Man United 2-1 at Old Trafford with two goals for Luther Blissett n the third round in early October (with post-match interview with Elton John. Watford progressed as far as the Semi Final, where they were eliminated by Brian Clough’s Nottingham Forest. However that season the Hornets achieved back to back promotions, coming runners up in the third tier, one point behind Champions Shrewsbury.

The Hornets however finished in the bottom half of the second tier in 1979/80, though had a run in the FA Cup which included a third round 4-3 win over Non-League giant killers Harlow who disposed of Leicester in the previous round and progressed to thrash top tier Wolves 3-0 away in the fifth round to set up a Quarter Final tie with Cup holders Arsenal, in the first fixture between the two sides for seven decades. Two Frank Stapleton goals gave Arsenal a 2-1 win at Vicarage Road to set up a Semi Final with Champions Liverpool on their way to a third successive FA Cup Final. In 1980/81, Watford signed Arsenal captain Pat Rice and this time made their way to the top half of the second tier, finishing in ninth position.

The Hornets however went on another Cup run, this time in the League Cup, playing out an extraordinary second round tie with Kevin Keegan’s Southampton. At the Dell, Watford suffered a 0-4 defeat at the hands of the Saints with two goals apiece for Nick Holmes and former Arsenal legend Charlie George, leaving the Hornets with a mountain to climb back at Vicarage Road a week later. Watford pulled it back to 2-4 on aggregate with goals from Malcolm Poskett and Ray Train and then added a third through Martin Patching. An own goal from Steve Sims caused Watford a setback, until a minute later Southampton’s Chris Nichol fouled Watford’s Ross Jenkins in the box, leading to Watford’s Ian Bolton putting away from the spot to make it 4-5 on aggregate before Ross Jenkins grabbed Watford’s equaliser to take the tie into extra time where Nigel Callaghan and another for Malcolm Poskett put Watford through 7-5 on aggregate (7-1 on the night)

In 1981/82, Watford carried out their giant killer act again in the FA Cup with a (1-0 win over Man United in the third round at Vicarage Road, followed by another home draw this time to West Ham, which the (Hornets won 2-0, before Leicester City eliminated Watford in the third round. In 1981/82 however Watford, with a side containing an eighteen year old John Barnes, would win the FA Youth Cup defeating a Man United side which included Norman Whiteside and Mark Hughes, 7-6 on aggregate. Barnes would also be a part of the first team that would secured their passage to the top tier, finishing as runners up, beating Leicester on Match of the Day 3-1 in May (a game in which Gary Lineker, playing for Leicester, would hobble off injured) and securing promotion with a 2-0 win over Wrexham at Vicarage Road.

Watford’s first ever game in the top flight had been a 2-0 win for the Hornets against Everton at Vicarage Road, with Watford’s first goal in the top flight scored by Gerry Armstrong fresh from his heroics in Espana ’82, while his compatriot Pat Rice scored to secure all three points. Watford won five of their first seven fixtures in the top tier, with an incredible 8-0 victory over Sunderland at the end of September with four goals from Luther Blissett. The Hornets would move up to second place behind reigning Champions Liverpool by late November after a 4-1 win over Brighton at Vicarage Road.

A week later, Watford would make their first ever visit to Highbury against an Arsenal side languishing in thirteenth position. The Gunners would take the lead with a goal from Stewart Robson, though John Barnes would equalise for Watford. Welsh international Kenny Jackett would put the Hornets ahead. Arsenal would be 1-3 down after John Barnes grabbed a second. Brian Talbot would pull a goal back for the Gunners however John Barnes would complete his hat-trick as Watford would inflict a 2-4 defeat on the Gunners on their first visit to Highbury. Though victory at Highbury would give Watford their fourth straight victory in the League, back to back defeats against fellow title challengers in December – a 0-1 defeat to Man United at Vicarage Road and a 1-3 defeat away at Anfield to Liverpool, meant that Watford would slip to fifth place just ahead of Christmas.

However 3-1 win away at West Brom in April, inflicting a 1-2 defeat on Arsenal’s first League visit to Vicarage Road in late April and 2-1 win over Liverpool securing the runners up spot for Watford in their first season in the top flight of English Football. The close season of 1983 however saw their front man Luther Blissett transferred to AC Milan for £1m. Blissett however would not be a success in the San Siro returning back to Vicarage Road a year on, with a rumour that has developed in the years since that Milan signed Blissett by mistake and intended to sign his team mate John Barnes. Probably one of the most outlandish legacies of Luther Blissett’s time in Italy is that his moniker has been adopted as a ‘nom de plume’ (shared identity) by hundreds of anarchist pranksters under the guise of the ‘Luther Blisset Project’.

In Luther’s absence, Arsenal’s first win over Watford would come the day following Terry Neill’s sacking and Don Howe’s first as caretaker manager a week before Christmas 1983, as Raphael Meade bagged a hat-trick as Arsenal triumphed 3-1. In 1983/84 Watford could only manage a mid-table finish, however played out high scoring games such as a 4-4 draw at home to Everton and a 5-3 win away to Notts County. Watford also enjoyed a run in the UEFA Cup, in the first round pulling back a 1-3 deficit against Bundesliga side Kaiserslauten to win 3-0 at Vicarage Road. Watford lasted until the third round before eliminated by Sparta Prague 2-7 on aggregate.

That season Watford also enjoyed arguably the highest point in their history by reaching the FA Cup Final, along the way disposing of Birmingham City 3-1 away in the Quarter Final and third tier Plymouth Argyle in the Semi Final with a 1-0 win at Villa Park. One week before the FA Cup Final on the last Saturday of the season, Watford inflicted a 1-2 defeat on Arsenal, with Stewart Robson on the Score sheet for the Gunners. Playing his final game in professional football that day would be thirty five year old Pat Rice, who retired at the end of this season, returning to Arsenal the following season as Youth team coach, which he held for the next twelve years, before becoming Arsene Wenger’s assistant in 1996. Elton John, in an interview here with Australian pop show ‘Countdown’, would cite the 1984 FA Cup Final one week after defeating Arsenal as being his proudest moment with Watford.

In the event however, the Hornets went on to lose to Everton 0-2, with one superb banner at the Everton end which read: ‘I Guess That’s Why They Call Us the Blues’ – obviously paraphrasing the title of Elton’s 1983 hit single. The ’84 Cup Final however would be the peak of Graham Taylor and Elton John’s first reign at Vicarage Road and in the remaining five seasons Watford spent in the top flight during that period, would only enjoy just one further top half finish. The Hornets would however remain a bogey side for the Arsenal, though the Gunners achieved their first victory at Vicarage Road in early September 1984 with a 4-3 win secured by goals from Brian Talbot (who would be transferred to Vicarage Road the following season), Tony Woodcock and two for Charlie Nicholas.

The return fixture back at Highbury a few days before Christmas 1984 however ended in a 1-1 draw (the only draw ever played out between the two sides), with Ian Allinson on the score sheet for the Gunners. The following season, after the TV black out of the first half of the 1985/86 season one of the first games back on the telly would be Liverpool’s visit to Vicarage Road on a Live Match of the Day on a Sunday afternoon in early January 1986. Jimmy Hill’s guest in the studio would be former Arsenal manager Bertie Mee, now a Watford Director. The Hornets took the lead with a goal from Kenny Jackett, before Ian Rush and two goals from Paul Walsh inflicted a 2-3 defeat on the Hornets.


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  1. mbg

    Apr 02, 2016, 0:27 #87264

    Mark from Aylesbury, a sad bunch of UFO spotters and X file believers no doubt, out with they're binoculars and telescopes every night on roof tops all around the Emirates watching who and what lands on the centre circle to feed their conspiracy theories, you can just imagine what their supporters club meetings are like, the X files music going full blare with a bright light shining down in the middle of the floor with all these little fox Mulders running about.

  2. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 01, 2016, 19:03 #87254

    Just read though McClintock comments completely bizarre obviously he is trying to aim at anyone he perceives as a Wenger knocker who has had some set back as a manager. To do it to an Arsenal great though is disgusting. I've put in a post on their site that awaits moderation I fully expect that it will not appear though have tested him a little by saying that. Leekey if you are reading this the difference is on this site you could say exactly what that sad sack Atwood said then it's up to you to defend yourself. On untold they will never publish it a nasty censorship prevails. The truth always wins out though and cencorship rarely works

  3. Bard

    Apr 01, 2016, 16:48 #87250

    JJ; I read that on Untold and was amazed that there was no reaction to one of the great Arsenal legends being dissed, extraordinary.

  4. mbg

    Apr 01, 2016, 16:35 #87249

    I see Ozil fears we've screwed up our season ( only realising/fearing that now Sherlock ?) and have to admit it, cough, yeah right some f*****g chance of that, and TOF must splash the cash to avoid a repeat (it's been happening/repeating itself for eleven seasons now columbo wakey wakey out of your stupor) TOF will not like that, being told what to do or needs to be done, so anyone still hopeing even the vaguest of hopes that OGL will splash the cash on any of these imaginary players the wengerites and his spin department keep associating us with (prior to ticket renewals) there's you answer there (not that we really need one mind) he won't, because TOF listens to no one he won't be told what to do.

  5. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 01, 2016, 15:12 #87248

    Thank Mr Wenger for the last 10 years you've given us oh thank you sir. Manchester UTD 8 Arsenal 2 the biggest defeat and humiliation in Arsenals history I thank you sir. Thank you for arranging for Chelsea to beat us 6-0 as well sir, thank you very much. Thank you for allowing Liverpool to beat us 5-1 as well, more grateful thanks. Oh who could forgot Newcastle thank you for being 4-0 and drawing 4-4. You're a genius and I love you. Let me see now. Oh yes Birmingham City our loss to that mighty power house. Oh indeed what joy. Thank you for collapsing every February. To that I thank you sir and last but not least thank you for our collapse this season as well. For all of the above and so much more us Loyal supporters Leakey, Colsesore, Brian, Lee and Westie demand 10 more years, 10 more years..... Lots of grunting is then heard

  6. mbg

    Apr 01, 2016, 14:29 #87245

    Yes indeed it's oooo sooooo easy to criticise this old past it manager, after all he gives us ooo sooooo many opportunities to do it. You couldn't make it up eh.

  7. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 01, 2016, 13:11 #87238

    Exeter and JJ - I wonder if say I went on Untold with the name handle Hate Arsenal love Arsene. What they'd say. I bet Some would agree.

  8. jjetplane

    Apr 01, 2016, 12:03 #87236

    That's all they have got on Untold. Not that Arsene's Poodle Platoon have just gone out of two trophies but that Neville failed at Valencia, which makes him another McLintock which is so anti-Arsenal it could only come from a Arsenite of the high priest order. Dem bones dem bones/dem dry bones .....

  9. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 01, 2016, 9:36 #87229

    Mark, I believe leek fc's point is that 'mr wenger' is beyond criticism. Yes, it is easy to criticise when the failings are so very evident and repetitive. Easy for all but the wilfully blind, of course.

  10. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 01, 2016, 7:49 #87227

    Leek - your point is exactly? For one minute I thought you were going to tell us of your management experience, much like the colesore who apparently played at all levels yet fails to recognise any other type of football than Wengers tippy tappy triangles. For every Gary Neville there's a Thomas Tuchel. We have every right to criticise when a manager working for a club that has the highest gate receipts for any sporting club (correct me if we are only top 3), the 2nd biggest membership of any team (Benfica is bigger I believe) has perfect training facilities, 200m in the bank (highest cash reserves of any club). Even if it matters highest social media interaction of supporters ( this points to growth potential). Yet...... Still lumbers about in 3rd spot, no titles in 12 years. With a manager who openly admits he would finish 2nd for the next twenty years. So yes it is very easy to criticise. On a closing note when Fergie was having one of his last interviews whilst a manager he said I would resign if I went 3 years without winning anything. Think we know who the winner is in that comparable.

  11. Leek fc

    Mar 31, 2016, 23:57 #87224

    Football management is so easy when you can sit behind your laptop, giant screen, watch a replay , tell the world that he was offside, disagree with a team selection, wallow in hindsight. I can go on and on. Thank you mr wenger for the near twenty years you have given us.... My point being..... Just ask Gary Neville. It's ooo sooo simple to criticise eh mbg.

  12. mbg

    Mar 31, 2016, 22:58 #87223

    Exeter, and it could only be a matter of time until all that is done away with too, so much history, traditions, like defenders, captains, players with the club in their blood, etc, etc, etc, to name but a few, the list/examples are numerous, have been eroded, airbrushed out of history and done away with over the years and at every opportunity, by an egoistic old manager who thinks he owns the club, and is the club, and shaped and moulded by him into what he thinks it should be, just like him in his image, and we all know what that is and like, and turned out, Sad or what, what an arrogant egoistic human being, and you know the saddest thing off all ? we sat back and let him do it and get away with it.

  13. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 31, 2016, 20:08 #87222

    Good points about the kit. I've thought for a while that all that really remains of the original Arsenal is the name and the colours, but it's not even an Arsenal kit anymore.

  14. anthony walters

    Mar 31, 2016, 19:43 #87221

    great kit with red socks which we should go back to.wouldn't want to wear the nut crunching eighties shorts though !what a dump the watford away end for us was!

  15. mbg

    Mar 31, 2016, 19:06 #87218

    Mark from Aylesbury, is it two years since she was ranting and raving on here ? where does time go to, she certainly found a good home, and what has changed for the good and come to pass in that time after all her ranting ? absolutely nothing, we've actually got worse, along with her messiah, regressed, with more humiliations and embarrassments, anyway she's to far gone now, way to indoctrinated. You couldn't make it up.

  16. jjetplane

    Mar 31, 2016, 18:41 #87217

    MfromA could not find Mandy but see Arsenewipe Untold refer to Frank McLintock as nothing more than a managerial flop ditto Merson so now I see where the AKBs get their visions from - wow! it's pure Scientology on there with Mr Hubbard's ghost running it all .....

  17. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Mar 31, 2016, 18:14 #87216

    MBG and Ron, yes boys couldn't agree more, classic proper arsenal shirt- why bother messing with perfection?

  18. jjetplane

    Mar 31, 2016, 17:49 #87215

    Great stuff a always and the shirt does look so distinctive unlike the current brand Emirates produce with that weirs, ****ty tail bit ... Just looking at players to go to Euros and Arsene's boys are a toxic bunch bar Danny who may make water carrier for the real strikers while elsewhere gems unearthed by Wenger - Bendtner and Eboue - are facing unsavoury exits from their clubs for oversleeping and not paying debts respectively .... Pure class Arsene ....

  19. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 31, 2016, 17:38 #87214

    MBG - yes the old conspiracy theories appear and disappear at will or should I say disappear as we win and appear when we lose. At least they are very flexible a bit like the Halle Bop mob and also just like The Rev Jim Jones acolytes as well. Though we know how that ended so hopefully the deluded ones will see reason before commiting the ultimate act in honour of their Lord. I note that old Mandy Dodd who was always asking us to see reason on here (2 years I think since last on here) now also believes the BT Banner story Oh dear.

  20. Clockend Mike

    Mar 31, 2016, 16:13 #87213

    Ron and mbg - nice touch re the shirt. I was trying to explain to my ten year old boy about how magical that shirt was when I was growing up. It was so different to any other club and so recognisable. Thanks also Robert for the article.

  21. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 31, 2016, 15:06 #87212

    Red Member - I hope I come bearing a gift albeit a rather soggy unwanted gift. All the noise I keep on hearing is that he wants to stay till 2017. Then I reckon he will become more Paris based. 2017 I think hence my calling him lame duck w

  22. mbg

    Mar 31, 2016, 14:58 #87210

    Obviously that should read won't destroy.

  23. mbg

    Mar 31, 2016, 14:48 #87209

    RedShirts, well said about Rocky, and coincidence or what that Ron should mention that shirt, I have one of those shirts signed by the team of the day in that era and whose signature is sitting out still plain to be seen ? David Rocastle, the amount of people who have tried to tempt me to sell (for good money too) over the years for that signature alone is many, great piece of memorabilia, one thing wenger and his regime will destroy and won't air brush out of history.

  24. mbg

    Mar 31, 2016, 14:34 #87208

    Mark from Aylesbury, yes indeed, queue the egg on faces jibes from them, you have to laugh, and another nice cosy home fixture against the mighty Watford to help them along, no conspiracy there i'll bet.

  25. Ron

    Mar 31, 2016, 14:13 #87206

    Meant to say too that the photo is quite poignant in that it harks back to the days when we also still played in a proper kit. A kit that simply oozed Arsenal FC. Compare with todays over contrived, awful things. Terrible poncy designs. The new kits might be a commercial marketing dream but theyre also dreary and tacky PS Talbot - yes, fantastic 'engine'. A tough player with drive and a relentless will to win. Oh for a few of those!

  26. Red Member

    Mar 31, 2016, 13:58 #87205

    Mark - if Wenger loses all the remaining league games this season he is STILL not a dead man walking. Another 3 year contract is on the table. Remember that Arsene Plc is NOT trying to win the title, just finish in the top 4.

  27. Charlie George Orwell

    Mar 31, 2016, 13:57 #87204

    Great stuff again Robert. Splendid trips down memory lane. Brian Talbot - what an engine that man had!

  28. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Mar 31, 2016, 12:45 #87203

    R.I.P Rocky Rocastle, one of the TRUE Arsenal greats, a man who for me was the epitome of what an Arsenal player should be - passion, skill, never say die attitude and real MENTAL STRENGTH by the bucket load, this current lot of pampered, lily-livered, gutless prima donnas would never be fit to tie his laces. Gone but never forgotten by any Gooner lucky enough to see him play

  29. John

    Mar 31, 2016, 12:41 #87202

    Was that the same Bertie Mee who nearly got Arsenal relegated in successive seasons 1975 and 1976?

  30. Ron

    Mar 31, 2016, 11:15 #87200

    Bogey team back in the day indeed. They had great times in Elton Johns day. It always seems a very spirited Club for their fans though unfortunately, its never a very inspiring fixture is it? A bit like playing teams like Reading and Sunderland et al. Credit due though, theyve done well this Season.

  31. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Mar 31, 2016, 10:34 #87198

    Watford were a real bogey team for us when they got promoted. What was our record against them from 1982-88? P 12 W 3 D 1 L 8 - as well as being KO'd in the 1987 FAC QF. How strange that a side can have such a hold over another. Even when they were absolute rubbish 87/88 season they still beat us H&A.

  32. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 31, 2016, 10:25 #87197

    Win and the Arsenites will be crowing that the title race is on. Draw or Lose Wenger becomes the dead man walking , the lamest of lame duck managers. What's it to be? I suppose it depends on which Arsenal team turns up.