Another Nail In The Coffin

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Another Nail In The Coffin


So to do the maths, Leicester now need to win three of their remaining six fixtures to confirm another failed Arsenal attempt to win a first Premier League title since 2004. Who would have thought, at the end of the Invincibles campaign, that the Gunners would fail to add to their tally of championships for at least another 12 years? Who would have thought that in those circumstances, the man in the managerial hotseat would have kept his job?

Watching the highlights on Match of the Day, Jonathan Pearce came up with an interesting stat. It was only the 23rd occasion in the last 406 Premier League matches that Arsene Wenger has announced an unchanged line-up. Compare that with sides who have won the title and I suspect that consistency of selection, a settled side, has a benefit. Whether that makes the manager a tinkerman or simply very unlucky with injuries I am uncertain. Whichever it is, the consequence is inconsistency.

And so it was at Upton Park for the final visit. After two convincing wins and hopes of a late rally, two points were dropped in a game in which Arsenal had carved out an excellent winning position. 2-0 up and they blew it.

They were a little fortunate to score first. West Ham’s Lanzini had a goal wrongly ruled offside, but Arsenal took advantage. Both their goals were a consequence of Coquelin and Iwobi combining well to set up the scorer – Ozil and Alexis respectively. At 2-0 the visitors looked in cruise control. My thoughts went back to the fact that the Hammers were the final team to defeat Arsenal at Highbury, in a game in which Sol Campbell stormed out of the stadium at half-time, such a nightmare was he having.

Gabriel might have had similar thoughts at the interval, as by this time Slaven Bilic’s side had equalised. The reason – Arsenal defenders cannot cope with big physical forwards, and have not been able to for a long time. Didier Drogba anyone? Andy Carroll is a downgrade on the Chelsea forward, but he still managed to chalk up a hat-trick yesterday. It is a fundamental flaw in Arsenal’s make-up and one identified without too much scouting required by opposition managers. Laurent Koscielny in the past has been bullied by strong forwards. Would Per Mertesacker have done any better? He is a big unit, but hardly a brick outhouse. Still, neither was Tony Adams and yet, he could generally win his battles through intelligent use of his physical presence. Perhaps Arsenal should look to sign a couple of defenders from the likes of Juventus or Atletico Madrid. Or Stoke City. But Arsene likes technicians throughout the team. The days of Steve Bould – as a player – are a long time gone. A shame that the knowledge of the former centre back is surely not being utilised on the training ground. Martin Keown has never been invited back after taking a little too much credit for the Champions League shut-outs in 2006. Arsene has to get the glory, the sophisticated egotist that he is. It actually points to a fundamental insecurity in the man, which is why he bristles so much when anyone dares to challenge him.

West Ham’s goals do not require a great deal of analysis. Basically the defenders were not tight enough to Carroll to prevent his momentum for any of them. It wasn’t rocket science. Leicester have conceded only two goals less than Arsenal, but critically, Claudio Ranieri identified their weakness in the first part of the season and has been working on it since. Arsene has known about his team’s Achilles heel for a decade.

There was so much space on the pitch in this match – in a sense it was made for Arsenal, and they were able to recover from Carroll’s third goal as a consequence. And could have won it in the end. West Ham could have been reduced to ten men with Carroll’s flailing elbow catching Gabriel. Some will have no doubt he knew exactly what he was doing, others will argue that he was simply gaining momentum in his leap and the Brazilian was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The truth is probably a bit of both.

Bilic had changed tactics to switch from 3-5-2 to 4-4-2 at half time. As the second half wore on, Wenger, going for broke as he had to, dispensed with his defensive midfield and earned a point. It may prove significant in overhauling Spurs, but the title is gone now. At 3-3, Alexis had clear sight of goal in the box but refused to simply unleash a shot with his left foot. Oh well, I guess Lionel Messi is pretty one footed too.

So in terms of their mutual ambitions, neither side did their cause much good. The battle for a top four spot could get very interesting if Manchester United beat Spurs this afternoon – as we must hope they will. The thought of a Spurs title is something that simply cannot be contemplated, although they are the only side that can now stop Leicester.

So, after all the hopes and optimism, Arsenal go into the final six matches of the season with the objective of ensuring they qualify for next season’s Champions League. Is anyone else getting bored of this?

There was a banner at the end which read “Love Arsenal Hate Kroenke”. And yet, Kroenke is the man who is happy with the Groundhog Day seasons because they are providing solid financial growth and increasing the value of his asset. And the man does not look like he is going anywhere soon. He, for one, will not bring change to the club. That is down to the supporters expressing that they are unhappy with the stasis they perceive at Arsenal. But how exactly are they going to do that? There are still a large number of fans who are content with what Arsene is achieving. Cue more punch ups in the stands as the season wearily winds towards the same conclusion we have seen every year since the stadium move – the Gunners will finish third or fourth.

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  1. mbg

    Apr 12, 2016, 17:29 #87783

    Exeter, you can bet on it.

  2. Moscow Gooner

    Apr 12, 2016, 16:17 #87781

    I love Wenger's contempt for the fan base - and for his media critics. Generally supporters are a necessary evil as far as he is concerned - he would rather play games without them anywhere close to the stadium (look at the way the team sneak in and out of the Emirates through a subterranean passageway), but since they pay his eight million quid a year he has to just about tolerate their (malign) presence. He strides the globe as the greatest football manager and tactical genius of all time: he is close to omniscient. Only bent referees and a dastardly conspiracy that permetates every level of English (and European) football - and which results in sinister, inexplicable, injuries to his key players at critical moments of each season - have prevented him from winning every trophy in every season since 1997. Guys, let's be careful what we wish for: remember before Arsene deigned to favour North London with his radiant presence, Arsenal were an unknwon team stranded in the lower reaches of English football without a trophy to our name. Big Brother rules OK...

  3. jjetplane

    Apr 12, 2016, 11:46 #87757

    'I myself ARE very confident' which explains why Jamersie can be in 2 counties at once. Anyway if he is the defence now for Wenger on here and is resigning wholesale from his LOVE of Arsene FC to concentrate on bible studies then the time is nigh for the ostrich so to speak. I am loving Leicester and Tottenham at the moment and they play as power units which are all the rage and very good too in the modern game. Work hard all over the pitch and when Arsene FC have managed this once or twice in the last 12 years (an AKB slave) not a word is said and yet as on Untold the tip tap smile at the heavens hand on hips and waving to the referee is considered an art form. LEEK FC looks like you will be the last one standing. Well done my friend .... See Ranieri is the toast of Italy's papers and the biggest game of the season is them and Chelsea and to cap it all Arsene FC shirt sales are degrading globally now everyone is wearing Drinkwater on their back. Wonder if Wenger will that as it was he who introduced water (and broccoli) to modern sport and then of course he built a stadium with his own hands and everyone now gets one free. The injustice of it all .... Untold or WHaT!

  4. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 12, 2016, 10:11 #87748

    The likes of Westlower, Badarse all disappeared at the same time as AFC's results nosedived and the team fell out of contention for everything, and they couldn't keep up a defence of Wenger any more. That's why we're only left with the most extreme of Wenger cult loons embarrassing themselves on here. Or is that all just coincidence? Perhaps Jamerson is right and all of a sudden, all together at once, they simply couldn't take the opposing views they'd be railing against on here all these years. If we finish above Spurs they will return proclaiming Wenger has 'done it again' and that they were simply away following the flat season or had a router breakdown, I would be pretty sure about that.

  5. Jamerson

    Apr 12, 2016, 9:59 #87747

    Mark-Badarse and Westie obviously left because folk like you AKBst and Exeter are very Pharisaical in their views towards other posters.I myself are very confident in my views and have never been bothered by characters like yourself.

  6. Red Member

    Apr 12, 2016, 9:13 #87745

    can everyone just stop replying to this obvious WUM Jamerson

  7. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 12, 2016, 7:43 #87743

    The 80% used to be the satisfied, give him a new contract they would say. He'll get it right have faith. The pundits used to say are you mad for wanting rid of him, look what he did for you. Surely the vast majority want him to stay, how hard it has been at tiny little Arsenal really just another Barnsley but somehow maintaining top 4. Then something happened or was it a continual cycle of events.The pundits still said you're mad for wanting rid of him. 60% of the supporters said let him chose when he wants to go. Have Respect, how dare you. Then a continuous cycle of events occurred. The odd pundit no longer said people were mad the opposition got a name "WOB's" the 40% loyalists start really get angry "have some respect, how dare you, rabble , scum. Then came a continuous cycle of events. The Pundits now starting to break cover, the journalists critised, the 20% are now really angry and the board offers half hearted support. Then comes Leicster, the 20% are confused, very angry and a number are running away to places such as Suffolk. I wonder how this story will end?

  8. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 12, 2016, 6:29 #87741

    Jamerson - I'll probably get this pulled goodness knows why. You have actually said in the past you came from Hampshire certainly some way to the South West. Norfolk and Suffolk are two separate counties of some size so you've done well to come from both. Barnsbury ? Reckon you opened an A -Z one day and said that looks like an ideal area to say an Arsenal supporter lives. Then there is still the issue of holidays with your fictional brother. Finally you are retiring from Arsenal are you? Much like Westie, ColeseyOAP and Brian. Only Leek the lackey appears to have not picked up on the trend. As one of your brethren no doubt say "the end is nigh!" For Arsene.

  9. Jamerson

    Apr 11, 2016, 23:09 #87740

    Nice one Leek fc,you seem like a man full of understanding.

  10. Leek fc

    Apr 11, 2016, 22:47 #87738

    JAMERSON..... Post of the week at 8.28 today. Excellent comment. It may upset many on here but welcome, honest and true . Nice work my friend.

  11. mbg

    Apr 11, 2016, 22:22 #87736

    At least now we all know where the retirement home/farm is for all the disappeared AKB's.

  12. jeff wright

    Apr 11, 2016, 22:10 #87735

    As many predicted it's once again just a 4th place trophy battle this season to go with the humiliating exit to a Championship side in the League Cup and the bottled it at home to Watford in the supposedly going for an historic treble by Arsene in the FA one. The usual out in the first KO tie in Europe that we just scraped into on G/D over mighty Olympiacos after suffering a record 5-0 beating in Europe off Bayern Munich .The only historic records Arsene is setting these days are for the WRONG reasons. You couldn't make it up. I don't know why anyone is wasting their time on the troll Jamerson he's been proven wrong about everything again this season no matter who he calls himself it's just the same inept nonsense .The poor fool obviously feels very bitter about it. Brian Badarse gave up fighting Arsene's corner weeks ago - along with Westie - what are the odds on us now then winning the league - even such stalwart AKB's as those pair could see that they were backing a loser . As the runners come into the straight in the title race there are only two runners to be seen . Westie needs to use his Italian Army General's field glasses to pick out Arsene struggling way back in third with canny old Pell conjuring up a late run to sweep past him again when the finishing post appears in view. Good old Arsene( yawn)

  13. mbg

    Apr 11, 2016, 19:56 #87734

    EN1AFC, when the biggest carthorse of them all, even bigger than our own and our other wallys scores a hat trick against us, and not only that but bullies us and makes fools of our so called top top qualittee and top internationals (according to the AKB's) that tells us all we need to know (as if we didn't already)about this excuse for a manager and his set up. Go now old man.

  14. HowardL

    Apr 11, 2016, 19:56 #87733

    Jamerson - much as I hate to say it - I thought Spurs were quite entertaining yesterday - wore Man U down then 'executed' them in 6 minutes any supporter would be proud of. Time for Wenger to go ...

  15. Jamerson

    Apr 11, 2016, 18:38 #87730

    Surely the game has moved on that teams vying for the title should at least be able to to entertain their fans with attacking skillful football that managers like Arsene Wenger has always advocated,rather than this tiresome defend deep and then hoof it up to Kane which the tiny totts employ or the lets all put our players in our own box and then hope Vardi nicks one for us yawn fest at long ball Leicester.Whatever people say about Wenger he has always put on the highest quality of football and I thank him for that.Though this will be my last season ticket season at Arsenal as I've decided to permanently move to Southwold and Worlingham East Anglia where I spend most of my time these days as London has little attraction for me anymore.I love being on the farm and the fresh sea and country air.Getting back to my previous point I watched the totts manure eyesore yesterday and although they won 3-0-I thought what an absolute football abomination the spuds have become, yet their fans seem to be lapping it all up..

  16. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 11, 2016, 17:51 #87728

    MBG - do you have a link to the story regarding the board meeting?

  17. Le Grand Odeur

    Apr 11, 2016, 17:36 #87727

    Jamerson. This is the most boring Arsenal side ever! You know exactly what is on offer game after game, season after season! Total tedium!

  18. Ron

    Apr 11, 2016, 17:30 #87726

    You seriously need some basic primary school reading and comprehension tutelage if you cant understand the content and context of Evans s comments. In fairness though, its your perma worn Wenger blinkers that you wear constantly that stop you seeing things clearly. Either that or you've an inordinate amount of s--t in your eyes.

  19. Ron

    Apr 11, 2016, 17:19 #87725

    mbg - mate, i can see the steam coming from your ears from here. I agree though, much of what he says now borders on the bizarre. Its like the dying last days of any tyrant/ Caesar you care to mention. They all implode into nigh insanity.

  20. Jamerson

    Apr 11, 2016, 17:16 #87724

    Tony Evans in the London Evening Standard writes that Spurs and Leicester are killing football with their boring styles.Yet he then goes on to say it's good for the game.How does he work that out.

  21. mbg

    Apr 11, 2016, 17:08 #87723

    So TOF has admitted not planning for Carroll (as if we didn't know and were surprised) is he actually trying to imply he usually does ? (we're not all gullible wenger) what a fraud, OGL was surprised Carroll was playing because he hadn't started the last five games ee aww really ? so when did you think he was going to start then Sherlock the next one the one after that, and wait for this little gem from the king of verbal diarrhoea, and if he'd have known he was starting he's have used Mertesacker (I wonder when) did you ever hear such shyte/spin you couldn't make it up, god help us, what an embarrassment. Do the decent thing for once in your life wenger and go now.

  22. mbg

    Apr 11, 2016, 16:39 #87722

    I see TOF lost it again when asked if we missed the best chance of the title in twelve years ? and a season that promised so much now threatens to drown in (threatens to ? has)mediocrity, TOF flipped and said looook I leave that to the papers we will see where we are at the end of the season, see where we are at the end of the season ? where the f**k do you think we'll be ? you old fraud, do you think we're going to win it ? oh that's right judge me in May you'd like that wouldn't you ? what an arrogant old past it manager, go now you old fraud put us all out of our misery. wenger out.

  23. GTG

    Apr 11, 2016, 16:36 #87721

    Tell you what is really getting on my goat.... people physically assaulting the fans who are holding up the banners. Not one of them that I have seen have any abuse towards wenger in them whatsoever. They are just expressing their view that its time for him to leave. Its happened now at my last 2 away games and on Saturday I was too far away to do anything about it but the amount of gooners that just stood there whilst some knob was throwing punches at the guy with the banner was a disgrace. This stuff has to be stopped.... the lads who keep doing this ought to be ashamed of themselves. Wenger OUT

  24. jjetplane

    Apr 11, 2016, 16:22 #87720

    Wenger now claiming it is unfair how the Hammers have been given a new stadium in exchange for some M & S vouchers when he had to go on a building course and then single handedly erect the Emirates with his er talons ..... same he reckons with Citeh and how they bought a PL with some Argos vouchers whereas when he single handedly won numerous doubles and more FA Cups than than than ..... well you get the picture so be careful what you wish for and might I suggest more protein in your diet Jamerson and less starving yourself in your shed .... Wenger apparently spent many years in a shed in France watching videos. Make of that what you will .... All will be untold ...

  25. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 11, 2016, 15:39 #87717

    MBG - I think the special board meeting is to give him a 10 year extension! But as you say please God (not the one Jamerson prays to) please God have mercy ...... Boot him out!!!

  26. Lurker

    Apr 11, 2016, 15:35 #87716

    Do the seriously strange folk at Untold EVER get tired of blaming refs for everything?? Seems not. Scary stuff.

  27. Roy

    Apr 11, 2016, 15:27 #87715

    Tony Evans, good shout mate "what do points make ? - prizes !! But what was the other catchphrase- " what do pounds make ? - RICH PEOPLE !! From The Price Is Right, I believe ? And we all know who they are. Either way we'd probably be better off with Brucie in the dugout. Higher or lower than 4th, my loves ? You're so much the same as last year !! Not enough good games from where I'm standing. You really couldn't make it up. Wenger and Stan out.

  28. jjetplane

    Apr 11, 2016, 14:26 #87712

    Just looked at Untold and they are still doing the 'careful what you wish for' gospel according to Arsene Wenger. Completely off their trolleys but you can gear the Moonie in the lot of them. Truly disturbing and the big narrative is how Wenger sacrificed himself in order to drag the club through to the present. Another says in a list of best managers Wenger is always in the top four. The best one is that some argue he should be on 12 m for all the abuse he has had to suffer. Arsenal FC truly no longer exists and is but a church for silly souls who love spending their money at any old circus. No hope, no trophies .... One thing I did learn is where WEStiE used to get his fervour from. Maybe himself and Baddie are in there somewhere - on their knees in a blissful state. Incredible and I bet they even scare Jamerson away. I mean these people are deadly serious .... arrrrrghhh! ps of course the Spuds and Leicester having been buying off officials all season .... Blacksheep indeed.

  29. Tony Evans

    Apr 11, 2016, 14:07 #87710

    Too true Ron. Leicester may have the worst stats for possession, goals, and probably everything else that counts for nothing in the game. What they have got is points (and what do points make!) and they have got them with good solid defending, team spirit, taking their chances and astute transfer dealings. Good luck to them and good riddance to Wenger when he finally bows out of our club - though God knows when that will be.

  30. Ron

    Apr 11, 2016, 14:03 #87709

    AG and EG. On the nail. Hes nowhere to run to now has he. It ll make no difference, unless perhaps he falls sub 4th spot.

  31. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 11, 2016, 13:51 #87708

    Ron - it's true that Leicester have shown that, and Wenger may have proclaimed his belief in that in the past, but he's never actually done it, has he? Quite the opposite, his success was dependent on having great players working out themselves. His 'coaching' has always been so limited. What Leicester have done should have him holding his hands up and walking away. Unfortunately his ego dwarfs his self-awareness and dignity.

  32. mbg

    Apr 11, 2016, 13:50 #87707

    Ron, good shout, what Leicester have achieved so far and what they will achieve must be a dent and blow to his huge ego, it really really does and will piss him (and his flock of course and it shows) off immensely, to think another small club have come along and done what he's been striving to do for years and years and failing miserably on every occasion, what a kick up the arse that is, and blow to his inflated ego that must be, great isn't it. I can't wait to hear TOF when asked to, or if he congratulates Leicester, expect a stutter and a mumble. wenger out.

  33. Arsenal Geezer

    Apr 11, 2016, 13:46 #87706

    Ron, it is isn't just Leicester who have shown what good coaching and tactical awareness can do. Look at what numerous clubs with limited resources have done to us each year in Europe. Twice this year in the group stages alone. He doesn't use the money at his disposal, or have a clue when it comes to tactics. His a failure in both areas.

  34. Ron

    Apr 11, 2016, 13:37 #87705

    The very ones Jamerson. Now, how does all that make them wrong about Wenger pray tell? Exeter - yes, its tenuous support for Wenger in that Leics have shown that coaching can give success rather than cash alone spent on top marque players. Agree with all you say re him wasting cash on more lightweight and nimble 'mid fielders' who in a few yrs time nobody will know where theyre best employed to play.

  35. EN1AFC

    Apr 11, 2016, 13:25 #87704

    Yet again we do our best to make a very average player like Carrol look world class. We have a habit of it, when’s the last time he scored let alone scored a hatrick?! We looked good going forward but that means very little if you simply cannot defend. It was a horror show at the back, but that's nothing new. We simply cannot cope with crosses coming into our box, the fact we don't even bother trying to stop them coming in is a joke in itself. Bilic targeted a clear weakness, yet did Wenger react to this during the first half or at half time?! Never mind the shambles of a transfer policy, it's these same mistakes and lack of tactical awareness and adaptability that have cost us for years and years and years and will continue to unless there is change. However as long as the Jamersons of this world still infest our club nothing will change. Defending the indefensible manager based on what he achieved over a decade ago. I just hope those who support the man rather than the club f**k off with him when he eventually goes...

  36. Jamerson

    Apr 11, 2016, 13:12 #87703

    Is that the Alladyce who always claimed if he was called Alladycee he'd get more respect for his 'hoof ball'or the Fergie who sulked and wouldn't talk to the BBC for ten years or the Mourinho who completely bottled it this season lost the dressing room and nearly took Chelsea down yet was saved by his chairman.

  37. mbg

    Apr 11, 2016, 13:11 #87702

    According to Sky an emergency, special, board meeting (or what ever you want to call it) is scheduled to take place in Highbury house, their just waiting for Kronke to get of a plane. If true could this be it ? the news we've been waiting for for so long ? please God, please God. wenger out.

  38. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 11, 2016, 13:11 #87701

    I can't see how what Leicester has done in any way supports Wenger. It totally undermines him. He hasn't built a squad on a shoestring, they don't play his type of football, their values are the opposite of his values. But I hope he does use Leicester's success as an excuse not to buy this summer. I don't want him spending any more, it never makes any difference who he does or doesn't buy, who plays or doesn't play, it all ends up the same. I just hope he leaves at the end of his contract and the new guy has access to that cash.

  39. dan

    Apr 11, 2016, 12:38 #87699

    anyone who can still defend what is going, perhaps they are the one's who should go and support spurs or any other team for that matter. C U NEXT TUESDAY'S

  40. Ron

    Apr 11, 2016, 12:36 #87698

    What Leics have done whether they win the title or not only 'partially' supports Wenger. Wenger has said in the past that the top Clubs cant be overcome due to financial doping. Truth is that they clearly can be over come, but not by Wenger. Moreover, Leics have used basic football. Solid defending and crisp attacking with men doing what they do best with a fervour and battling spirit that Wengers teams have never had, even his better ones were sulkers and flakey on a bad day. Arsenals posers and flimsy male models masquerading as footballers can only dream of the team ethic thats so obvious at Leics. Wenger will use the Leics thing to suit his own agenda, but his 'philosophy' of football lies in ruins. Its been in ruins for donkeys years. Theres a reason why many if not most of Wengers contemporaries cant stand the bloke. Hes sulking, moaning double dyed, hypocritical bulls----er and spin doctor. Alleradyce, Fergie and Mourinho were right about him years ago, yet all of us backed the old fraud back then v the home truths that rattled Wenger back then. We re all culpable for the present inertia at AFC.

  41. Red Member

    Apr 11, 2016, 12:34 #87697

    will there be any protests against Wenger at upcoming games? I think there needs to be protests pre and during all remaining home games. any chance of this? If not then lets all look forward to the next 4 Wenger years shall we.

  42. Tony Evans

    Apr 11, 2016, 12:21 #87695

    Why play Ospina when Cech is fit? Yet another daft decision from Wenger, especially when any fool knows the aerial threat Westham pose.

  43. Ron

    Apr 11, 2016, 12:18 #87694

    I think Claudio Ranieri sums up Wenger and his last decade perfectly. Asked how he felt now that a CL place is on the table, he replied ' well yes, but we've achieved nothing yet'. This the the Coach of a medium sized City whos rugby takes precedence to football in the main with a small to average sized Club who have never before competed in the CL. Wengers holy grail, that he ll never ever win if he lives till hes 100 is clearly looked at rather more realistically by better men than he. Theres little else to say about Wenger in all honesty. His goose is cooked and how pleasing it is that after all of these years of spin, downright lies, semi truths, deception and disregard for the Clubs supporters, many have at last seen through him. The media have too and they will do the rest to see him off in due course im sure once the dust has settled on his miserable failure this year.

  44. Jamerson is on the wind up..

    Apr 11, 2016, 12:16 #87693

    ...change is inevitable, even from AW. He knows that what Leicester have done both supports his philosophy and means he has something to raise his game for. I think the money at City, Chelsea and Man U under Fergie were a mental block for AW...now that's lifted i can see us improving next year the options from Wilshire, Carzola, Iwobi and Welbeck. Not enough for this season but I would rather have our squad than LFC and them up the road who are over achieving this season..

  45. billthered

    Apr 11, 2016, 12:00 #87692

    As springtime is here I have been informed by her indoors that the place needs redecorating it looks a bit stale.So I am going to do what I am told and it is not going to be the same decor cause that would be stupid would'nt it.

  46. Nick

    Apr 11, 2016, 11:36 #87691

    Another weekend of hammer blows to us gooners , yet the likes of Jamerson make excuse after risible excuse for Wenger ! He is the manager a manager with far too much.power, but he continually fails in the same areas, I would like to know just how many leading positions we've thrown away under him in the last ten years , six I can think of this term with a total loss of FOURTEEN POINTS!!points that would see us as champions elect, and ALL lost to being naive and brittle mentally and tactically, not to powerhouse sides but teams we really should be beating , this is symptomatic of Wenger sides since 2006 , yet he does NOTHING to rectify it,in fact he actively does the opposite, by not taking into account other teams strength's or even weaknesses his one game plan os to pass, pass, pass endlessly, shooting has become a lost art at our club as has dogged fighting spirit, Wenger did the same things at Monaco, after early success he began to try to play the game to suit his own vision of how it should be played but Monaco were having none of it and sacked him, now his position is almost a tenure for life at Arsenal , he is surrounded with yes men and has an owner who cares only about spreadsheets and bank balances, sadly nothing will change he will still be here next season, and the comments on here will be the same next time round as they are mow because the man is incapable of change or admitting when he is wrong , I despair for our club and now have come to detest a man who once I venerated, I wait in hope for change but I will not be holding my breath doing so, maybe after another season of abject failure those who blindly defend him and in doing so prolong the agony will finally see the light but again I wouldn't be surprised if they STILL find excuses for their hero !!

  47. divingrooney

    Apr 11, 2016, 11:04 #87690

    A shame that the knowledge of the former centre back is surely not being utilised on the training ground. --- Imagine you are highly paid employee. You report to work every morning, stay there till the evening, and you do nothing. You are just a glorified errand boy for higher powers. Will you stay? Of course, you will, if you are a sucker called Steve Bould. Cause next time when Arsenal keep, 3 clean sheets narrative will change to: A change is that the knowledge of the former centre back is surely being utilised on the training ground. A two defeats later-- A shame that the knowledge of the former centre back is surely not being utilised on the training ground. So, I am not sure what is the status of Steve Bould. But then neither do these stupid pundits.

  48. Jamerson

    Apr 11, 2016, 10:52 #87689

    It's a shame Jack Wilshere has been injured all season as I would say he is probably our most influential player as far as our attacking game is concerned.With him in the side every week I believe we would have been champions with a bit to spare.Roy Hodgson recognises him as being the only real world class player England has and you have to admit it has cost us dearly this season.

  49. Seven Kings Gooner

    Apr 11, 2016, 9:48 #87687

    Kev, Arsene will be pleased that the Spuds beat Utd - it will help secure 4th place and keep his amazing record of making every season the same for the last 10 years!

  50. goonersol

    Apr 11, 2016, 9:36 #87685

    Another disappointing result at WHU, wether you want Wenger in or not, it really is time for a change. 10 seasons of the same, only the insane would accept without changing something.....We as a club have nowhere to go, we are stagnating, stale, lacking ideas and being overtaken by lesser clubs...I accept the other top4 teams have also had a bad season, but you can see changes happening for them, us, cant see anything, same old, time after time, when will it all end.

  51. Arsenal Geezer

    Apr 11, 2016, 8:49 #87684

    Jamerson-that is probably the biggest amount of tosh I have ever read on this site. I can't believe you are a gooner, you must surely be a spud. The season has been a disaster and started with wengers decision to not buy a single outfield player in the summer. The title will be won by a club with less than half of our resources and yet you seek to defend him. Completely and utterly clueless.

  52. Jamerson

    Apr 11, 2016, 8:28 #87683

    The question is.Has Wenger failed in his role as manager of Arsenal Football Club this season.Well lets first look to the medias and public's reaction to his back to back FA Cup wins.Many on here including the likes of jeff wright were dismissive of those cup wins stating that those were just minor achievements that even a small club like Wigan could achieve.Now lets look at this seasons title race and we can see that barring a major collapse this years Premier league champions looks like being won by another minnow of Wigan proportions Leicester City,who despite their dour no thrills style, the opposition putting in little effort against them and the refs all cheering them on would still in my opinion are worthy champions.So going back to the logic used on those FA Cup triumphs Wenger hasn't failed at all this season as if Leicester can win it,it's not really worth winning as they are only a little club and who wants to win trophies smaller clubs can win.Now if the spuds were to win it again being only a provisional sized football club there would be no shame on Arsenal,yet if one of our piers a Chelsea,Man Utd,Man City or Liverpool were to win it then it would show that Wenger has failed this season.The fact that Wenger looks like finishing above all those other clubs of similar size to us shows that the man has not underachieved if we use this logic often used by media personalities like Adrian Durham and fellow posters like jeff wright.So in summing up has this season been a poor one?Certainly not.

  53. Avenell Road

    Apr 11, 2016, 8:10 #87682

    Arsene Wenger was asked pre-match about rumours that we would be signing Granit Xhaka. He gave a wry smile and said the 'we are working on a number of targets'. This to me says that he is certainly not considering walking away and that his position is not under threat from the board. And so it will go on for another year! He cannot be allowed to extend his contract after next season.

  54. Keef Petrovic

    Apr 11, 2016, 0:03 #87681

    Leaving wonderful Highbury, our spiritual home, all as it turns out to line the oweners' pockets - that was very bad ju-ju.

  55. Wengerballs

    Apr 10, 2016, 23:02 #87680

    Even if spurts win the title the AKB and most fans still won't protest because the fanbase is so brainwashed and demoralized now that they can't tell **** from shovel. It's become a true KAFKAESQUE nightmare for real gooners. My only hope now for the rest of the season is for us to collapse and manure storm home so we finish outside the top 4. Only that will make the Board sit up and consider ending le failure specialiste's unending reign of perennial underachievement.

  56. South London Gooner

    Apr 10, 2016, 22:52 #87679

    leek afc, am a red member and go to most home games, thats where my money goes, we were told the move to the emirates would help us compete with europes best. hows that working out for then?

  57. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 22:43 #87678

    Spike, things we're good at ? and what would those be ?unless the team we're playing roll over and allow their bellies tickled and give the little technicians permission to play tippy tappy and pass them to death and then walk it into the net, there's not many managers like that about any more (in the top flight anyway)unless they're as inept as wenger.

  58. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 10, 2016, 22:35 #87677

    Cesc Fabregas comments regarding preparing for opposition "Arsenal captain Fabregas said: "Here they give us much more information than they do at Arsenal, definitely. Andy Carrol "We know Arsenal are weak on crosses, so we have been training on crosses all week". Says it all doesn't it, still doing it the old way, arrogant, little preparation. Let's concentrate than kicking the old has been out!

  59. Den

    Apr 10, 2016, 22:27 #87676

    Why have the crooked and bent Administrators deleted my post where I asked for Wenger to go and to take that obvious troll mbg with him?

  60. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 22:13 #87675

    How about if we altered the league, deduct Leicester and the spuds twelve and seven points or what ever, for having the temerity and balls to appoint first class managers who know what their doing and sign proper players, who play great football, and more than anything have the temerity, balls, downright bloody cheek to knock lord wenger of his self allocated perch and embarrass him (and his fans) and make him look the fraud that he is and always has been, what a bloody cheek how dare they, it shouldn't be allowed, I can see a petition coming. wenger out tonight.

  61. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 21:35 #87674

    DWT, good post, yes things have really hit rock bottom for our club and fans when we start looking at and taking heed of the spuds and some of their players (sad isn't it) but lets not forget for one second why this has occurred and been allowed to happen, it's all because of an egotistic arrogant manager who's not fit to be called a manager who thinks he owns and is the club who's luck has finally (and not before time) run out. wenger out tonight.

  62. jjetplane

    Apr 10, 2016, 21:21 #87673

    How things will change in London next season with the Spuds and the Hammers top dogs. All eyes east ... and Leicester! Arsene FC are old hat and no one will want to go there when they see the miserable looks on Sanchez and the AKB player of the year Ozil. Howabout WOB players of the year. Who do you think was Arsene's best circus act and what was their funniest moment. A DVD would be in order with lots of zip stuff holding it together boom boom! Love Arsene FC - great for a giggle. ps Hope there's a circular on the way and maybe a Rose finale. I blame the fans so with Arsene on that.

  63. anthony walters

    Apr 10, 2016, 21:18 #87672

    augustus if leicester win the league that will of course be one of the greatest achievements of all time in englands top flight but having failed over the years with juve inter and roma hardly makes his career acievements great!pocc may be a great manager in rhe future and did superb at soton as has my choice as arsenals next manager koeman and we certainly could do with someone to organise motivate and balance what i believe is a good group of players .sanchez for instance was a disgrace yesterday i watched the match live then today highlights again on motd and how many times he watched the play from forward positions no interest in helping out leaving bellerin exposed was typical of him and our lack of desire to work as a unit and manage games and situations and ozil as well for their second pathetic challenge on the edge of the box seconds before ht .i am no akb as people call it but pocc if he doesnt win the league should also be slaughtered for tossing away the europa cup and only time will twll if he is a succesful manager.

  64. Gooner Gaz

    Apr 10, 2016, 20:44 #87671

    The price of failure for Wenger since we last won the title has been near on £100,000,000 in wages. Puts it into perspective all you Wenger supporters who think he is still the man for the job. Nothing lasts for ever and change is inevitable. If he was to drop down dead tomorrow, we would have to look to replace him. So after another season of mediocrity, enough is enough.

  65. Spike

    Apr 10, 2016, 20:38 #87670

    Anybody else catch Carroll's post-match interview? He said Bilic knew we conceded a lot of goals to crosses and spent the week setting up to exploit this. If he can see we fail to stop crosses and are weak centrally, why the hell cant our manager? The problem with Wenger is he prefers to keep practising the things we are good at rather than the things we are bad at, but this weak defending is ultimately what has cost us a shot at the title and it has gone nadressed for so long it is ridiculous.

  66. Augustus Flair

    Apr 10, 2016, 20:35 #87669

    Thanks for your intelligent contribution to the debate anthony walters (why do you lower case your name?), written in your customary considerate manner. What I suggest we do in early May is make the trip northwards to N17 and Leicester together to congratulate the PL winners and runners-up (whichever way round it finishes) and then have a good old drink somewhere (perhaps the Cock at Highbury) to celebrate our magnificent 4th place and to toast another one - perhaps - in 2016/7. Don't you think to have taken a miniature, two-bob East Midlands club to the brink of the PL title, and turning around failing clubs such as Soton and THFC, makes these blokes pretty special? Anyway, I always believe my idiocy - you gotta have faith, as some happy-go-lucky north London bloke once sang.

  67. Website Admin

    Apr 10, 2016, 20:29 #87668

    Arseneknewbest - Drop me an email and I'll explain what we've done/are doing. Also be interested in your suggestions, but this topic is not for public discussion.

  68. Bob

    Apr 10, 2016, 20:18 #87667

    It is becoming more inevitable that we will finish either 3rd or 4th depending on whether Man City's grown-up attempt to actually win the Champions' League continues and distracts them. As others have said, it's clear that is good enough for our disinterested owner and the manager who is allowed to coast year after year. The banners are to be applauded but I fear they won't move any mountains. We need to set aside the last day of the season - the 10th anniversary of our leaving Highbury for the soulless bowl - for a real statement of intent. We can assume that when the final whistle blows our flat-track bullies will have beaten Aston Vanilla 6 or possibly 7-0. If as many as can be persuaded to just walk out and quietly leave the stadium on 80 minutes it will send out a message that will resonate throughout the summer. The "lap of appreciation" can be carried out to a virtually empty stadium. Let's make it happen.

  69. anthony walters

    Apr 10, 2016, 20:17 #87666

    wenger is past his best and we need a change and ranieri and pocchetino have been great this season and well done to either to win the league will be fantastic for them this season but augustus to call them succesful managers is stretching the anti wenger stance to ridiculous nonsense .pocc has won the argentine league and 2 spanish cups and we played spurs 3 times this season drawing twice and we beat them once.ranieri despite managing 3 of italys 4 biggest clubs juve inter and roma has never won a major league title.yes wenger needs to go but some of you are so haring of wenger you talk utter bollocks and whats worse you actually believe your idiocy !

  70. Hiccup

    Apr 10, 2016, 20:10 #87665

    Thankfully, Jamie's promise to only submit one hilarious post a day has not been kept, and we are getting several snippets of garbage to laugh at. Today's peach of Wenger being vindicated would challenge for post of the year if posted on Untold's site, although I believe the BT Sport production team smuggling in banners for the Arsenal fans will remain difficult to beat. However, if anyone can topple it, I'd place my faith in Jamie. His talent is wasted on this site.

  71. DW Thomas

    Apr 10, 2016, 19:58 #87664

    Meant twice in 33 games. Still a long run.

  72. Augustus Flair

    Apr 10, 2016, 19:51 #87663

    DW Thomas - correct. Leicester have plenty of average players but CR has welded a team greater than the sum of its parts. THFC have some truly great players, ditto MP, so they will be a real threat in the coming years. Indeed, I fear we will become the THFC of the late 90's/early noughties - perennial also-rans and failures as a succession of managerial duffers to follow the current one lead us relentlessly downwards as the American owner takes his annual £5m "consultation fee". Tragedy or farce?

  73. Leek fc

    Apr 10, 2016, 19:47 #87662

    I appreciate your comments south London gooner. But put your money where your mouth is. If you want the manager out, then protest at the next home game. I don't see a lot of that happening so you must be in the minority.

  74. DW Thomas

    Apr 10, 2016, 19:33 #87661

    Pochettino has his men flying high. Only have beaten Man U like twice in 33 years. How many hat tricks has Carroll scored in his career? Can't stand the Spuds are way past us for this year's title. Give us Harry Kane and we would be a team to reckon with. Or Aguero. And Ali, only barely 20. You know things are bad when I start looking at Spurs players and wondering what could have been. We never replaced RVP. Wenger never completes the squad. So far I am loving Elneny and his strength and work rate. But just wait, Ramsey will return, and the new man will become a Wenger bust again, like Arshavin. Wenger is now synonymous with losing. In London, huge new stadium, all the money you need (albeit never spent properly), so many good players with potential. Only one reason season after season for failure. The same man doing the same things bringing about the same poor results. If it ain't time for change now, when?? Drinkwater's early ball for one of Vardy's goal was sublime. Now that's a team, real affection for each other. A coach who guides and gets the most from his players. Wenger does the opposite. They become a reflection of him. Weak, no spirit, no mettle, content with 4th. I should just stop watching and put my energy to something else. No hope for change and it's all depressing.

  75. Hibeegunner

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:54 #87660

    Ron 72903 Like you I have supported this club for more years than I care to remember but after this season I no longer care what happens now this man Wenger has treated the fans with contempt and I for one after many years a supporter of him find his attitude both patronising and vulgar, from now on I'll enjoy watching rugby and Exeter were at least they care about there fan base. I have always enjoyed reading your comments because I can usually agree with then best wishes to you.

  76. Website Admin

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:51 #87659

    AKB - If you have an issue with an individual post can you alert us to it by email as requested in the House Rules rather than drawing it to everyone's attention by posting a further comment which is why your own comments about it were removed. I do not monitor the comments 24/7 as I'm sure you realise so I'm sorry the offending remarks were not removed earlier.

  77. South London Gooner

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:49 #87658

    The problem we have have is mugs like jamerson and leek afc who continue to think results like this are ok!! wenger out!!

  78. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:49 #87657

    What about that then ? any comment AKB's ? Poch for Arsenal, a proper manager. wenger out tonight.

  79. Jamerson

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:45 #87656

    Lots of senseless knee-jerking going on over a result that flattered the spuds who for most of the game just packed their defence.We have the best run in and frankly the best team by a mile especially once super jack gets back,Second still looking good.

  80. leek fc

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:43 #87655

    How about if you altered the wording ''Leicester now need to win three of the remaining six games to confirm yet another Tottnumb attempt to win a first league title since 1961''.

  81. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:36 #87654

    Exeter, far to late for the nurse now mate, even the men in white coats, far better to let then just wander about looking into the sky, staring into space where ever they are, hence they're disappearance.

  82. Marco

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:25 #87653

    What does TOF stand for?

  83. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:22 #87652

    Hiccup, yes indeed, if I had a granddad, uncle, or family member who I regarded as my messiah who I kept supporting through thick and thin, embarrassment after embarrassment, humiliation after humiliation who kept letting me down over and over and over again year after year with the same old same old I know what i'd do, but no the AKB wengerites keep doing it supporting their old granddad year in year out regardless of humiliation's embarrassments hoping for him to change, how sad is that ? humiliating embarrassing, have they no self respect. wenger out.

  84. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:18 #87651

    For years the AKBs have told us we 'cannot compete' due to other clubs larger resources. Yet now the last AKB standing tells us that Leicester doing what Arsene FC have failed to do in 12 years with far, far more resources than them is actually a VINDICATION of Wenger. Nurse...

  85. Member of the WOB

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:17 #87650

    @mgb Yes it is sad just playing for St Totteringham's Day. Ambition was sucked out of the club when Gazidis and the Kronke came in. Disgraceful.

  86. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 18:06 #87649

    Yes indeed well done the banner boys, win lose or draw now it doesn't matter, keep them flying and displayed, like the saying goes when you have someone down and your foot on their throat don't let them up. wenger out now.

  87. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 17:52 #87648

    Member of the WOB, Sad isn't it mate, all we're hoping for now is another St totts day, and you can bet your life the AKB's will be celebrating like it's 1969 and we've actually won something,(more fools them) is this how far we've fallen ? is this what we've become ? is this the height of our ambition now ? Sad indeed, as much as I don't like the spuds the best thing that can happen to this club (and wenger)is them finishing above us to shake us up, and give us the kick up the arse we (and especially TOF and the embarrassment of it he thoroughly deserves) deserve and if it's yet another nail in TOF's coffin, and it brings an even quicker end to his disastrous rein here well and good. wenger out.

  88. jjetplane

    Apr 10, 2016, 17:33 #87646

    So quiet it is worrying HICCuP but as you say even the circular one has spun himself towards football oblivion, Simon Rose will surely shifts his sights to something like 'what footballers wear when they are gaming' .... and good old Colesy will be the last man in the Pins for years to come. I remember when that pub used to buzz and that was even on non match days. Must be like a morgue now ... Only thing we can do for a laugh is nip over to Untold - just the pic at the top of their page with the two smiling Scientology types is good for a giggle. That site is truly insane but I love it in extremely small doses. Tempted to post on there but **** it ..... Scousers going mad whipping Stokalona so Arsene FC will find a top 10 spot difficult next season. Will Stan notice. Will Wenger? haha!

  89. John A

    Apr 10, 2016, 17:29 #87645

    Completely lost interest. Wenger is a joke the team are a joke. Sack the board sack Wenger sack all the players. Knock down the Emirates knock down the Highbury flats rebuild the old ground ring George G give him Adams and Keown as assistants and start again.

  90. Hiccup

    Apr 10, 2016, 17:02 #87644

    jj, I'm thinking maybe the absent AKB's are even hoping Wenger leaves this summer. They've been made to look daft for the last few years, and the thought of having to defend Wenger for another 3 years as we go through the same calamities must fill them with dread. Hence the multitude of name changes they go through. It's no wonder they show so much anger and vitriol to other posters on here, as wenger continues to make them a laughing stock. That reminds me. I wonder when coldsore will next post and what name he will use this time round?

  91. Begeegs

    Apr 10, 2016, 17:01 #87643

    Jamerson (92699) - so what is Wenger's excuse for failure for the past 12 years? He has had more money than both teams for the entirety of those 12 years and hasn't challenged, bar 2008 (and even that is debatable). He has no more excuses. Well done to the Banner Boys - keep it going! Hound him out!

  92. John F

    Apr 10, 2016, 16:57 #87642

    Good article Kev.It looked to me that West Hams defence was as bad as ours so I am not sure why Bilic should be getting any credit.After Wenger mentioned that Carroll had exposed a season long weakness in the Arsenal defence and knowing he himself is responsible for the personnel and organisation of the defence ,was he critising himself and confirming he really does have no idea how to fix it.That will really confuse the Akb's certainly confused me.

  93. Ron

    Apr 10, 2016, 16:34 #87641

    Its best now to put a positive spin on results like yesterday. We all know why they happen and that the Club from the top down is a lethargy festival, but i just prefer to see each catastrophe now a step closer to change. Leics and Spurs to a lot to keep my spirits up now in a football sense. AFC is a dead duck football speaking. Its one mans plaything and isnt the Club i grew up to support. I truly hope they finish sub 4th spot.The sick thing is there are 14 or 15 Clubs who'd like to be Arsenal PLC.

  94. Augustus Flair

    Apr 10, 2016, 16:15 #87640

    Have just watched interviews with two accomplished and successful managers - Rainieri and Pochettino - on Sky... Excellent. But then I remembered who we're lumbered with and my old Gooner's heart sank without trace. Onwards to fourth place!

  95. Ian Ure's Son

    Apr 10, 2016, 16:05 #87639

    Fourth place is not guaranteed and Wenger may be under threat if he fails to qualify for CL, particularly if Club Level renewals/sales have been sluggish. I have a sneaking suspicion Arsenal may not make fourth so this represents the best chance of ditching OGL. Wenger Out, Bilic in!

  96. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 15:57 #87638

    CB, well said, and proper Arsenal fans also. go now wenger you embarrassment.

  97. Jamerson

    Apr 10, 2016, 15:41 #87637

    Wenger has been vindicated by Leicester for showing you don't need to spend,spend,spend as the wobs say to be successful.

  98. jjetplane

    Apr 10, 2016, 15:34 #87636

    Well well well .... a season has passed at Mr Vardy has gone and done it! Remember all those empty arrogant posts from AKB towers of how the likes of Leicester will fall away .... Hahahahahahahahahah! ..... Trouble is I cannot make up my mind about Brand Spud or Brand Manc. Two clubs I have hated in the past and yet Wenger has succeeded in his deArsenalisation project to such an extent i want them both to win today! Good to see old boy Nasri back scoring which is timely so my humble bet that Arsene scrape a top six placing and no more gathers a fantastically banal dimension. Vardy I just love and watching a Horsham lad run to all ten of their supporters having rounded our goal keeper let's you know football is alive and it ain't around the Holloway area .... Funny to think me and my mates used to kick balls against school gates up the road from their and that passion is still alive. Wenger has not a ****ing clue! Oh well - you know the song 'we hate the spuds/and we hate the mancs' hohohoho!

  99. CB

    Apr 10, 2016, 15:34 #87635

    Congratulations to the Foxes for bringing a smile to the face of all true football supporters everywhere.

  100. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 15:34 #87634

    Did you see Vardy ? a proper top top qualiteee player unlike our carthorses, wallys, and little second rate dwarf technicians, well done Leicester yet another nail in TOF's coffin, hammer hammer.

  101. Jamerson

    Apr 10, 2016, 15:30 #87633

    The footballing abomination called Leicester rolls on congratulations to the foxes despite their appalling football.Next up it's the long ball borefest between manure and the spuds.

  102. anthony walters

    Apr 10, 2016, 15:30 #87632

    draw was fair.typical of arsenal .the good and the great of some of our forward play contrasting with the undisciplined and poor game management side of us defensively.ospina was chosen ahead of cech i can understand that .cech hadn't played for a month ospina in form and he did nothing wrong.our centre backs allowed carol too much room ,our full backs allowed crosses too easily ,sanchez is completely lazy tracking back and ozil and iwobe weren't great helping out either .how sanchez is regarded as great is beyond me a gilt edged chance a few yards out yet refuses to shoot on his left.it baffles me too how keepers are expected to kick the ball over the half way line with both feet yet the strikers on often quadruple money are allowed a wrong foot complete nonsense!messi is predominate wirh one foot like most players ,his being the left ,but he would have no quarms shooting and scoring with his right i,ve seen plenty.gabriel i just don't get he is lightweight and panicky on the ball dogged enough but lacking any dominance in the air ,on the ball or positional sense for a centre back.same old arsenal year in year out for a decade more good than bad but not good enough to win top prizes .despite believing it is time for a managerial change i'll still be there at the emirates most matches next season those that choose not to fair enough good luck to you i don't knock you but those that choose to stay away don't be so bloody arrogant to assume yourselves to be the only true supporters !utter nonsense and extreme arrogance of which you accuse wenger.

  103. Gooner Gone Yokel

    Apr 10, 2016, 15:30 #87631

    Lots of comments about the top four place, there is another scenario that may be unlikely but is still a possibility. That is Man City winning the Champions League and Liverpool winning the Ropey Cup. If that happened only First and Second places will go into Champions League.

  104. Martyn

    Apr 10, 2016, 15:26 #87630

    Rumour has it that Wenger is buying Huth, Morgan and Vardy and going route one next season!

  105. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 14:41 #87629

    MARCUS, good post, how many indeed, and how many times have we been saying the same thing/things at the start of the season and for the last ten as well ? and telling all the AKB wengerites also ? (where have they all gone ?) that this season is going to be no different, it will be the same old same old, but the fools never listen always thinking and believing this is going to be our year, this is the year it all comes good, this is the year our messiah proves you and everybody wrong, LOL what fools, and here we are again same old same old sad state of affairs, all predictions having come true, (not that they were hard to predict) will they ever learn, like I've said before they deserve him, sadly the proper fans don't. go now wenger you old fraud, and take your fools with you.

  106. DW Thomas

    Apr 10, 2016, 14:38 #87628

    Only Arsenal can give away a 2-0 goal league and in 10 minutes allow a slow, injury prone timber to score 3 goals. When was the last time Andy Carroll scored a hat trick? Against what team? Couldn't believe that. Ospina, Kos, And Gabriel are mostly to blame with Arsenes zone defense. I honestly don't think Gabriel is that bad, but like you said Kev, there is no team choice consistency. The players are not directed or trained well. One of either Kos or Gab should have stuck with Carroll, but he was allowed to score 3. FFS!!! Then Ramsey comes on with Walcott and does nothing. At least Giroud gives us strength and an ability to defend headers/corners/set pieces. Did you see Payet make Rambo look like a cone? Symptomatic of the team's defending. We have seen for years now all the easily identified weaknesses. The best team in the PL, likely to win it, has Huth and Morgan as their center backs. If a manager can get them working well together, ours is a total failure. At least Iwobi looks class. Just wait. Ramsey will replace him now, and the train will continue to go nowhere, no wheels again. This season is a total embarrassment. Who gives a s..t if we get 4th. No way we go deep in the CL. Injuries, no mettle, lack of tactics, spoiled princes, and a has been ego maniacal coach who will never change. That's Arsenal. I want my old club back.

  107. bromley boy

    Apr 10, 2016, 14:31 #87627

    fast forward 1 month to the Aston villa game will Wenger and his under achieving squad ( minus a few players who deserve some credit ) actually have the bare face cheek to do a lap of honour and expect the fans to clap them of for there summer hols. think i might be in the holloway rd by then having a beer working out who we could face in the champions league qualifier !!!!!

  108. BigGoonerDave

    Apr 10, 2016, 14:18 #87626

    The sight of seeing Ospina named as our keeper yesterday must have been music to the ears of Carrol,can you imagine the delight he must have felt with the news that Cech was left on the bench knowing that Kos and Gabriel would go nowhere near him all afternoon and that the keeper has a weakness in dealing with crosses. All three were exploited mercilessly by Carrol and you cannot blame him for the way he played and toyed with them.For Wenger to leave Cech on the bench is criminal,just because he (Ospina)kept 2 clean sheets does not make him a better or reliable keeper. To quote Wenger " we have had e weakness all season dealing with headers in our box", no Arsene,it has,nt been all season it's been for the past 10 seasons. But now he's suddenly cottoned on does this mean he will get the ugly no nonsense centre half we,ve been screaming for,I wouldn't bet on it,he will be happy to get yet another gutless leave it to somebody else centre half. The day he finally calls it a day can't come soon enough for me.

  109. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 14:15 #87625

    The fact that a spuds title is even been contemplated at all is a indictment, and its all down to and thanks to an old past it over the hill manager. wenger out now.

  110. GoonerGoal!

    Apr 10, 2016, 14:05 #87624

    "Egotism is nature's compensation for mediocrity..." WENGER OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  111. Red Member

    Apr 10, 2016, 13:55 #87623

    Wenger just GO now You did not build the club, you have destroyed it.

  112. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 13:47 #87622

    Ed, hopefully when e get this old not fir for purpose of a manager out of the club and his grubby fingerprints off everything and a proper manager one who knows what he's doing, we'll get the likes of Tony Adams, Steve Bould, and Martin Keown again. go now wenger. Good article.

  113. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Apr 10, 2016, 13:45 #87621

    How many times this time of the season will we say the same things?? You could literally cut and paste the same stuff for the last 6 years smh!! How anyone can defend this man is beyond me!! All the excuses have run out big time he has no more. The new excuse I'm hearing from the wenger loyalists clowns is that it's the players fault lool.. Who buys and picks the players a ghost?? This is the same man who said there is no one better out there than what we have got loool. You just can't make tus stuff up!!! He has to go surely?? This season is a failure big time probably worse than all those scrambled top 4 ones. The fact we can't win the league when all the circumstances are in our favour is a daming indictment on wengers incompetence!! He has to go

  114. mbg

    Apr 10, 2016, 13:36 #87620

    Yes Ed, another nail in his coffin, and another banner, they're popping up everywhere now and not before time, the set of TOF skulking off down the tunnel, a dead man walking. Go now you old fraud your not welcome here.

  115. jjetplane

    Apr 10, 2016, 13:21 #87619

    Some lovely stuff as always Kevin but do not be too sure about a top four finish as the teams wanting to fight for that bone will really be looking forward to next season for their own reasons and can anyone say (including all half asleep AKBs) that Arsene FC are looking forward? Anyway - Carroll was immense yesterday and it was iron(y) to see a Roy Rovers lad smashing his way to a hatrick in nine minutes against a tissue thin defence. Still non-puzzled that most people have not copped on to the fact that Wenger does not do football, he does accounts. Anyway, on to the mysterious absence of any 'paid employees' od AKB Towers. Have they sold up and bought a shed in the Fens which would explain 'one voice in the wilderness.' Miss the entertainment so let's have a quiet moment for those keyboard operatives who maybe have formed some splinter group that have taken a vow of silence until Arsenal win a major trophy. Now that is some sacrifice! Have to say the way the club has degraded into some shopping type emporium kinda puts the goonerforlife and we hate Tottenham silliness into perspective. It's like nextforlife giving it to riverislandforlife. Mundane and sterile and that it costs as much as it does to suffer through it is mind boggling. Went to a game yesterday where we were perfectly punished by the top team in our league and it was a great game and now I see the fuss about Horsham who should find their way back to the Ryman. Great fun, great football and all for a fiver. There are so many teams out there worthy of support and yet people still whine and dine at the Emirates. Looking forward to a couple of games at the Hammers new stadium next season. Now that is spectacle. Ps Wenger was right not to use the singing German as he now suffers nose bleeds even when he is on the ground. He would have been good for leverage as so many other players have found to their delight. Arsene FC - loving the comedy ....

  116. declan burke

    Apr 10, 2016, 13:12 #87618

    How long more do we have to put up with this ? How long more do we have to have a board who don't feel the frustration that most fans do ? This club has been reduced to a laughing stock. No character, no hunger, no ruthlessness, no leadership, No DIRECTION . It is gone beyond a joke.

  117. JF from Aylesbury

    Apr 10, 2016, 13:04 #87617

    Why spend £10m+ on the best keeper in the country and leave him on the bench - why leave a world cup winning 6ft 4+ central defender on the bench when WH put a 6ft 4+ striker upfront - this is beyond belief. For christ sake Wenger / Kronke etal and Fxxk Off.

  118. Mad Mick

    Apr 10, 2016, 12:54 #87616

    Agree wholeheartedly with all you have said here. Everyday AW doesn't step away or aside he's tainting his, hopefully soon to be,memory. The great advocate of "mental strength" has, in my opinion, damaged the mentality of everyone at the club by inculcating the thought that 4th is a trophy. Arsene it isn't .....tragic

  119. Nick

    Apr 10, 2016, 12:45 #87615

    Naive, soft, idiotic, inept, sums up yesterday, No provision made for the threat of Carroll who has prospered against us before , no rejigging of tactics to put that omission right on the day, not a shot.on target in the last ten minutes of the game apart from a Monreal effort cleared off the line, we were two up the points were ours for the taking but again as so.often under Wenger we contrived to snatch a draw from the jaws of victory , we bottled once more with.the pressure on us , even the most blinkered must now see the overwhelming evidence that Wenger is the problem! Bilc seeing his side being.overrun on the flanks made effective changes to.stop that Wenger.is.incapable.of.changing his.set.up either not seeing when things aren't working or choosing to.ignore.it, the man that is a liability!! His sell by date is long.past !! ( sorry for the punctuation I have.overlarge thumb syndrome today )

  120. johnnyh

    Apr 10, 2016, 12:43 #87614

    we have seen games like yesterday so many times before.it is all so predictable but there is no point in gooners coming on sites like this and venting their anger.the fans in the stadium must stick their heads above the parapet and let conman wenger know that the majority have had enough.you have the power to get a strong message to kroenke so use it. the future of the club depends on you.

  121. Jude J.

    Apr 10, 2016, 12:22 #87613

    Fair play, Kevin, for not dwelling on the performance of the referee. Analysis of whether Carroll deserved to even be on the pitch would deflect from our own deficiencies. Onto the inclusion of Ramsey -- what a joke. The notion that he'd come on and drive us forward or even pop up with a goal -- something that he hasn't been able to do all season -- was never going to happen. Other than the obligatory, self-indulgent overhead flick, some back heels, and sideways passing, he did f**k all once again in the thirty minutes he was erroneously given. He's simply not the answer, especially in comparison with the recent contributions of Elneny and Iwobi, to name just two. Perhaps bottom-half of the table teams would appreciate and embrace his headless chicken performances, but he's clearly not Arsenal standard. Not even close, if we're being honest.

  122. stevus

    Apr 10, 2016, 12:17 #87612

    Echo to everything Nozzer said. 10 years into having the stadium we were all told was necessary to compete with Europe's big guns, for the first time I'm genuinely asking myself if the £13k I've borrowed & spent over the same period is worth the mediocre return. If that price was 50% lower, then I would say yes - just about - but it isn't. The club is stale and now very, very ordinary. Just like Liverpool since 1990...and even they snuck in a CL trophy! Yes, it could be worse (Everton, Villa, Leeds, Forest) but we're "meant" to be bigger than all these. Kroenke and his cronies don't give a toss about winning the league.

  123. Member of the WOB

    Apr 10, 2016, 12:12 #87611

    Yes Gabriel should have done a Campbell and stormed off at half time. Mertesacker could have done better but clueless Wenger didn't bring him on. The title was gone after the defeat at home to Swansea. Only St Totteringham's Day to play for. Come on United.

  124. Jamerson

    Apr 10, 2016, 12:10 #87610

    The West Ham fans were laughing at the glory hunting WOB and their silly banner.Most teams would love to have what we have,could you imagine what these people would do if we played defensive launch ball like West Ham,the spuds or Chelsea love to do,they would literally melt.Stop being ungrateful.

  125. Bard

    Apr 10, 2016, 11:51 #87609

    If you concede 3 goals in that manner you dont deserve to win the league. I dont think 3rd or 4th place is done and dusted at all. Yesterday must have an effect on team morale somewhere along the line. Im afraid I agree Kev. I dont think yesterday will affect the way the club are going one jot. Stan has made it chrystal clear what the deal is and until the money stops rolling in nothing is going to change with or without Wenger.

  126. KC

    Apr 10, 2016, 11:39 #87608

    Good read. So many games over so many seasons where an Arsene Wenger team concedes 2, 3, 4 goals. The weakness has been here for a long time and yet this manager cannot or will not address it. His history on keepers and centre backs is so flaky. Our keeper was not at fault yesterday but our no 1 was fit and yet stayed on the bench again this highlights Wengers inability to understand the importance of this position. At the back we just do not mark players Carroll was in so much space for all three goals, surely someone says who is picking him up, why allow him to drop onto Bellerin? Teams find scoring against us all to easy. The positives were Iwobi and Elneny or really looks a player. Wenger should walk he won't, sadly I want mass anti Wenger / Kronke chanting at the Emirates it's the only way to force change.

  127. Augustus Flair

    Apr 10, 2016, 11:26 #87607

    John Gee: what I would like is a realistic attempt at winning trophies every year, even if we don't get them. At the moment we enter the PL and the CL merely to generate yet more money for a distant and disinterested owner, and his complicit hireling this side of the Atlantic. If we were honestly trying to do more than that then I would stand with you in defence of AW. But we are not; we are dishonest and one of the results of that has been to blow our best chance for more than a decade to be champions and allow the possibility of Spurs doing it. I don't think anyone can be happy with that, John.

  128. Rob

    Apr 10, 2016, 11:23 #87606

    Nozzer - take a bow. That is right on the money.

  129. Terry

    Apr 10, 2016, 11:16 #87605

    Wenger is known as the 'nearly man', Kroenke is the 'no silverware needed man' and with David Dein's influence no longer there, we are no longer a football club - we're just another business that seeks to make a financial profit each year. We need a revolution - starting with an owner who wants us to win trophies and a manager like Simeone with a fresh approach to tactics and player motivation.

  130. John Gee

    Apr 10, 2016, 11:13 #87604

    As articles go this ranks with the least knowledgeable. If you don't like top four, Champions League football year after year (yes I know it would be good to win them)taje yourself off to WHL where they never win anything.

  131. Nozzer

    Apr 10, 2016, 11:12 #87603

    It seems that every report is like a cut and paste. We are making the same mistakes year in year out. We don't strengthen sufficiently in the transfer market, we defend poorly, players don't track back, we get bullied at the back, we have a laughable injury list and we never adjust tactically. We can all see the deficiencies yet Wenger chooses not to. Everybody makes mistakes but these are the same mistakes. The thing is we have a favourable run in and will secure top four gaining us entry to a competition that we are a million miles away from winning. This idea that Wenger should decide when he goes is insane. He is not going to walk away from 8 million a year. Diego Simeone is the answer

  132. Augustus Flair

    Apr 10, 2016, 11:00 #87602

    As you say, Kev, "the season wearily winds to the same conclusion we have seen since the stadium move". Nothing's changed from last year or the year before that (other than we won't win a single trophy in 2016) and nothing will change next year or the year after that as our deranged ruler grows ever more obstinate and ineffectual with advancing age.

  133. Mark

    Apr 10, 2016, 11:00 #87601

    West Ham scored two goals right on half time but it was Bilic who made the change at half time while Wenger did f**k all.Wenger never makes tactical substitutions at half time.The Man City away game now looks a play off for 3rd place but by then Wenger will be starting Wilshere Ramsey and Walcott so they will be ready for the Euro's.4th place again

  134. Clive The Gooner

    Apr 10, 2016, 10:58 #87600

    Sums up our last 10 years, we can look world class at times going forward but look a pub side at the back and this is why we will never win the title again or the champions league under Wenger.

  135. The Cabbie

    Apr 10, 2016, 10:56 #87599

    Our full backs do not know the basics ,,,, stop the crosses