#ThrowbackThursday – Crystal Palace at Home

Part one of a look back at the history of the Eagles’ visits to Arsenal



#ThrowbackThursday – Crystal Palace at Home


The first visit of Crystal Palace to Highbury came in the fourth round of the FA Cup in 1934. At the time, Crystal Palace were a third tier side, who were founder members of the Division when it was created in 1920 from clubs drawn entirely from the top tier of the Southern League (with no representation north of Birmingham until the North/South divisional split was created the following year). Palace won the inaugural Third Division title in 1920/21 and were promoted to the Second tier, though after four seasons dropped back down into what was now the Third Division South and were still there by the time of their visit to Highbury.

Palace couldn’t have asked for a bigger tie, as the Gunners were reigning Champions and at the time top of the old First Division. The Gulf in quality showed itself however as Arsenal thrashed Palace 7-0 with goals from Ralph Birkett and two goals apiece for Pat Beasley, Jimmy Dunne and Cliff Bastin. Arsenal would in fact cause the exit of Crystal Palace from the FA Cup twice in three seasons, the second time in the Second Round of the Cup in December 1935 however was not direct competition between the two sides, but at the hands of Arsenal’s nursery side, non-league Margate F.C., who at the time were playing in the Southern League.

Arsenal’s links with Margate started when the Gunners signed the Dutch former Ajax goalkeeper Gerrit Keizer who was turning out for the Kentish side in 1930 (highly unusual for any players from the continent to be plying their trade in England during the period). Four years later they came upon Arsenal’s radar again as manager George Allison’s daughter was a teacher at a school in the area. That year the club signed a two year deal with Arsenal to act as a nursery club (something the club tried a few years earlier with Clapton Orient, but such a move was later prohibited by the Football League between member clubs). The agreement with Margate included Arsenal appointing them a manager – former Gunners player Jack lambert - and even the insistence that Margate shrink their pitch down to match the same configurations as Highbury.

Other terms of the agreement included the loaning of upcoming younger players (though first teamer Eddie Hapgood also turned out for them after returning to action after injury). As a result of this agreement with Margate, Arsenal also disband their ‘A’ team (founded in 1929 to field younger players). The agreement with Margate last four years until in 1958, Arsenal entered their own reserve side into the Southern League. In the 1935/36 FA Cup, Margate managed to reach the First Round and were drawn at home to QPR – then in the Third Division South and only just returned back to their Loftus Road home from a brief two-year spell at the White City Stadium (which hosted London’s 1908 Olympic Games).

Margate won the tie 3-1, which brought another home tie against a London club who used to play their home games at another of the Capital’s major historical sporting landmarks – Crystal Palace. The Kentish seasiders managed to pull off another coup, beating Palace 3-1 (@01.50) . Margate progressed to the third round to play another seaside outfit in Blackpool (then of the old Second Division. This time however, Margate were on the receiving end of a 1-3 defeat. Margate would play two further FA Cup ties with Palace – a 2-3 loss in the First Round in 1957, as well as two seasons later in the second round when Margate held Palace to a 0-0 draw at home, though lost the replay at Selhurst Park.

Margate’s most notable FA Cup encounter however came in the centenary year of the competition in 1972, after losing 11-0 to AFC Bournemouth, where Ted MacDougall scored nine goals for the latter. Margate’s goalkeeper that day, Chic Brodie, had also been attempting to revive his career in non-league Football after his leg was broken while playing for Brentford after being attacked by an over-excited Jack Russell dog which strayed onto the pitch during a televised game against Colchester and chased the entire length of the pitch after the ball which had just been played into Brodie’s hands (‘what a great tackle’, ITV commentator Gerry Harrison rather insensitively states!).

As for Palace, they remained in the Third Division South until the regional split was abolished in 1958. The came runners up in the Division in 1938/39, however were not promoted on account of the fact that only the Divisional Champions went up. On Palace’s books at the time of their first visit to Highbury in 1934 was Ronnie Rooke, who joined Arsenal at the age of thirty five in 1946 and was a prominent figure within The Gunners’ 1947/48 Championship winning side. Rooke held an incredible scoring record of sixty eight goals in just eighty eight games for the Arsenal (all the more incredible seeing that he was in his late thirties!), though left Highbury in 1949 to return to Crystal Palace as Player-Manager.

After a poor start to the 1950/51 season however, Rooke lost his job and Palace looked to Highbury again for the replacement. Gunners full back Laurie Scott also took over as Player-Manager, though feared little better and too was sacked after Palace had to apply for re-election to the League after finishing in the bottom three at the end of 1953/54. The abolition of the regional split in 1958 saw Crystal Palace drop into the Fourth Division, however after three seasons down there the club won their first post-war promotion in 1960/61 finishing as runners up under Arthur Rowe – the former Spurs ‘push and run’ 1951 title winning manager.

Rowe was forced to quit Spurs in 1955 due to a nervous breakdown. The same health issues blighted Rowe again at Palace when he stepped aside for Dick Graham to take over but remained on the coaching staff. Graham saw them promoted again to the second tier in 1963/64, fired by the goals of former Arsenal star Cliff Holton. Palace reached the Quarter Finals of the FA Cup in 1965 against Don Revie’s Leeds United, however lost 0-3 at Selhurst Park. Palace’s first game on Match of the Day followed the following October against Wolves in late October 1965. According to Kenneth Wolstenholme’s introduction, the game seemed to have kicked off thirty two minutes late due to Crystal Palace experiencing travel problems. Ken ponders on whether the journey would have upset Palace on the field. In the event, they lost 0-1 to Wolves.

Crystal Palace remained in the second tier until they achieved promotion to the top flight for the first time in their history in 1969, under the stewardship of Bertram James Head (if you thought his initials were funny in a Carry On sort of way, his more commonly known name of Bert Head, when put into a Google image search, hilariously comes back with a headshot picture of the Sesame Street character who co-habits with his friend Ernie!). Bert joined Crystal Palace from Swindon, with whom he appeared in a 1963 BBC documentary following a week in the life of a football side called ‘Six Days to Saturday’. On route to promotion, Palace beat Portsmouth 3-1 before the cameras of LWT’s ‘The Big Match’ in early April.

Under a two points for a win system, Palace finished seven points behind Brian Clough’s Derby at the top of the old Second Division, but a comfortable six points clear of South London rivals Charlton in third. Palace’s first game in the top tier would be a visit from Man United – a new era for them also, as Matt Busby had retired at the end of the previous season and this the first game of the Wilf McGuiness era. The match ended in a 2-2 draw. This clip also includes the return fixture at Old Trafford the following February which ended in a 1-1 draw. Crystal Palace’s first visit to Highbury in the League followed in late March. Arsenal took all three points with a 2-0 win, with goals for Charlie George and John Radford.

Palace spent much of the second half of 1969/70 hovering over the relegation zone and after the final Saturday of the season were only kept out of the drop zone on goal average by 0.03 of a goal over Sunderland, while bottom placed Sheffield Wednesday were just one point behind – both of these sides also had a game in hand over Palace. The South Londoners’ last match of the season followed forty eight hours later, with a 1-0 win for Palace over Mercer and Allison’s Manchester City. The result took them two points clear of the relegation zone, however both Sunderland and Sheffield Wednesday beneath them had two games in hand, meaning that Palace’s destiny would not be in their hands.

Luckily for the Palace, neither Sunderland nor Sheffield Wednesday would manage a win in their last two games. Palace’s survival at the end of their first ever season in the top tier would not be secured until sixteen days after their final fixture. Sheffield Wednesday required a win at home to the same Man City side which Palace beat sixteen days earlier. A 2-1 win for Man City at Hillsborough however kept Palace in the top tier by just one point – and at that time, the twenty seven points which Palace accumulated was the fewest a side had managed in the old First Division without being relegated.

In 1970/71, Crystal Palace’s second season in the top tier also coincided with one of Arsenal’s greatest ever. The Gunners would first play Palace in a pre-season friendly one week before the start of the League campaign, which was played at the nearby National Sports Centre at Crystal Palace. The complex opened in 1964 in Crystal Palace Park on the site of the home of the FA Cup Final between 1895 and 1914 and Crystal Palace FC would play a pre-season friendly there each year in aid of the National Sports Development Fund. Just 2000 fans turned out for the game, which Arsenal won 2-0. Crystal Palace also drew Arsenal in the fourth round of the League Cup at Selhurst Park at the end of October. The sides played out a 0-0 draw in front of a 40,451 crowd.

Crystal Palace’s league form had improved in the first half of the 1970/71 season, standing as high as third at the end of September after eight games. In early November, Palace did Arsenal a favour in the title race by allowing the Gunners to close the gap on Leeds United to one point after Palace pulled off a 1-1 draw with the League leaders, with a howler from Gary Sprake in the Leeds goal cancelling out Peter Lorimer’s opener. Arsenal that same day defeated Blackpool away 1-0. Forty eight hours later, Arsenal would meet Crystal Palace back at Highbury for the League Cup replay. In front of a crowd of 45,026, Palace achieved their first ever win over Arsenal by inflicting a 0-2 defeat on the Gunners (effectively standing between Arsenal and a treble).

Five days later, Crystal Palace would be back at Highbury for the League fixture. John Radford would give Arsenal the lead, though Crystal Palace would pull it back for a 1-1 draw. This match would be the only score draw at Highbury throughout 1970/71. Arsenal won all but four games at home that season, with Crystal Palace in the space of five days responsible for two of those, the other two being scoreless draws in the League with Leeds United and Southampton. Crystal Palace would be eliminated from the League Cup after a 2-4 defeat to Man United at Old Trafford, in the FA Cup third round however were close to eliminating reigning cup holders Chelsea at Selhurst Park.

Former Blue Alan Birchenall gave Palace the lead. Chelsea however pulled the game back to a 2-2 draw, while Palace would be eliminated after losing the replay 0-2 at Stamford Bridge. In Late March, Palace would again be close to doing Arsenal a favour again in the League against Leeds United after taking the lead at Elland Road with a goal from Alan Birchenall. Leeds however would inflict a 1-2 defeat on Palace, to give the Yorkshiremen their fifth win in six games and maintain a six point lead over the Gunners, though Arsenal would have two games in hand due to Leeds United’s exit in the FA Cup meaning that they would have played more league games at this point.

Another notable fixture for Crystal Palace in 1970/71 would be the visit of Manchester United to Selhurst Park in April. A hat-trick for Denis Law and two for George Best would inflict a 3-5 defeat on Crystal Palace. An end of season collapse from Palace however saw them win just three games post-Christmas, though this season had an eight point cushion from the drop zone finishing in eighteenth position. Palace’s final game of the 1970/71 season ended on a flat note with a 0-6 defeat away at Southampton. At the end of the season however, Palace would claw back some pride in the Anglo-Italian Cup by beating Cagliari 1-0 at Selhurst Park and drawing 1-1 with Inter Milan at Selhurst Park, while in the return fixture winning 2-1 at the San Siro with two goals for Bobby Tambling.

By the time of Crystal Palace’s visit to Highbury in 1971/72 in late November, the South Londoners were rock bottom of the table. Their misery was furthered with a 2-1 win for Arsenal with goals for Eddie Kelly and John Radford. Crystal Palace spent 1971/72 teetering on the edge of the relegation zone, finishing in twentieth position but with a four point cushion over Nottingham Forest and Huddersfield who both fell out of the top flight that season. By mid-November 1972, Palace were languishing at the bottom of the table again by the time of the visit to Selhurst Park of Leeds United. Palace took a shock two goal lead, though Don Revie’s side pulled it back to a 2-2 draw.

Still languishing at the bottom a week before Christmas, they were visited at Selhurst Park by a Manchester United side also in trouble standing just two places above them. Palace inflicted a 5-0 hammering on Man United, which pulled Palace out of the relegation zone while dropping Man United into it and saw Frank O’Farrell sacked in the aftermath. Managerial changes however were also afoot at Selhurst Park six days ahead of Palace’s visit to Highbury at the end of March 1973, with Palace only just out of the relegation zone on goal average. A boardroom power shift at Selhurst Park left Bert Head out of favour and moved upstairs as General Manager, with a disgruntled Malcolm Allison leaving Maine Road for Selhurst Park.


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  1. mbg

    Apr 16, 2016, 1:25 #87946

    jj, yes mate TOF's got his hooter stuck in everything and everyone else's business except the business it should be in, and he thinks he's an expert in everything (especially management) when in reality when it comes to it he's clueless. wenger out.

  2. mbg

    Apr 15, 2016, 16:39 #87938

    Egg on face ? now who was it always used to come out with that ? even after a scrappy draw. wenger out.

  3. jjetplane

    Apr 15, 2016, 14:12 #87934

    What a buzzy old week with Simeone and Klopp blowing our football minds and then there is Wenger whose contribution is to stick his nose/beak in other clubs affairs again because so little has happened in HIS own for 12 years and counting .... Good to be free of Arsene FC misery and enjoy the efforts of others. Klopp is so awesome it is scarey. Simeone too. These guys are real stars and befitting of the modern game. Latest attack for Untold is the corrupt Hammmers and corrupt Leicester. That sight is so indicative of why Arsenal are off the radar for a decade. Mind your own business and look at the state of your own club. Pathetic - just like your lost leader .... Anyway How are Liverpool today? lol! Funny how Arsenal can only come back in games to draw. Other teams come back and win. Perhaps the greatest judgement is seeing Ath Mad not giving up before a ball is kicked which is the Arsene way .... Embarrassment.

  4. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 15, 2016, 13:23 #87932

    Jambo - in the great prediction stakes many of us on here predicted Arsenal are not going to win the premiership again under Le Loser. We think it is a safe bet. Badarse ??? - writing stories into Family circle magazine I reckon. LeekFC - now who the hell did he predict to win the title?

  5. Jamerson

    Apr 15, 2016, 9:03 #87925

    I admit you guys got one over me last night though I was pleased that pool got the win in the end,in fact I always cheer for the English teams with the exception of the spuds,manure and the chavs.It's probably my only wrong call all year so don't think you can start gloating yet,remember it's normally you folk who end up getting mugged off.Also where has Badarse gone?Who can give the best answer?

  6. Made Up Stat

    Apr 15, 2016, 7:48 #87922

    Oh dear, Jamershed. Mugged off again.

  7. Arseneknewbest

    Apr 15, 2016, 7:07 #87920

    Jamee son- you're always cr*pping on about how tough you are (I have my doubts frankly). Well, tough men freely admit when they're wrong. So come on - get on here today and state, for the record, that you made an error. If your idol "call me Dave" Cameron can finally admit he's a tax cheat and be a hammers and villa fan, then you should be able to 'fess up about your unklopptimisitc assessment of liverpool's chances last night. Be a man Jamee - we're all counting on you. Southwold hates bottlers and when your new neighbours find out, they'll shun you if you don't make amends.

  8. Guy in Jersey

    Apr 15, 2016, 0:18 #87918

    Jamerson, as a football fan, I despise petty-minded, deluded, spineless little whingers like you. Much as I hated Liverpool in the 1970s and 1980s, and ManUre in the 1990s and 2000s for being serial winners, I also had a grudging respect for the DNA embedded in the club - that of serial winners. I think it's pathetic to have a go at Liecester and the Spuds, and any other club, just 'cos they're doing better than we are. They are better than us, and they deserve their success. End of. And even though we have a better squad than Liverpool, and better players, and are rightly way above them in the league, they still have a far, far better manager than we do which, added to theclub's DNA, somehow meant they fashioned a very unlikely victory tonight against a far better tea (Dortmund). Something that would never ever have been achieved if it had been Wenger and Arsenal. Sad fact, but true - which explains a lot about the team we've become.

  9. Denzil

    Apr 14, 2016, 23:28 #87916

    Ah Don Rogers the worst day in Arsenal's history

  10. jeff wright

    Apr 14, 2016, 23:17 #87915

    Give it a rest Jamie you were gloating earlier when Liverpool were losing and have ended up yet again showing yourself to be a fool .Your knowledge of football is obviously not that great as you prove time and again.Seeing as Vardy set a record for consecutive goals scored in the league this season Leicester obviously were better than you ludicrously claim and Atheltico Madrid have been producing results like last night's one for the last three years under their manager. You are obviously unaware of that. Personally I would have Simeone or Klopp in place of Wenger if it were possible in place of good old Arsene for next season.

  11. Jamerson

    Apr 14, 2016, 22:54 #87914

    It's good to see the little clubs like Pool with their direct get it in the mixer style and Man City with their uncaring fans having a bit of a run in Europe.jeff always dismisses the Europa calling it the Ropey cup and the FAC because Wigan won it and now he'll have to do the same with the Premiership with Leicester.Barca proved last night just like we have over the last 20 years or so that playing the best football doesn't always get you the trophy.So I applaud Liverpool as well as the totts and Leicester for their ugly yet highly effective displays.

  12. John F

    Apr 14, 2016, 22:50 #87913

    Thanks for that Jeff and Anthony.

  13. jeff wright

    Apr 14, 2016, 22:44 #87912

    John F, the Europa Cup doesn\'t affect next seasons CL spots but if City win the CL but finish outside the top 4 then the 4th placed side goes into the Europa Cup. The way we are playing in Europe these days we will do well to win a qualifier tie for the CL anyway.That is if we even finish 4th .Morale must be at an all time low now and we still face some tough games.

  14. anthony walters

    Apr 14, 2016, 22:43 #87911

    john f this year 5 teams are allowed from england germany and spain so for the fourth place team to be demoted to europa man city and liverpool would have to win champions league and europa.

  15. jeff wright

    Apr 14, 2016, 22:34 #87910

    Jamerson the troll , he never learns does he,what a twerp a laugh a minute . You couldn't make it up.

  16. John Evans

    Apr 14, 2016, 22:17 #87908

    Watching other teams ply their trade such as Athletico and Liverpool this evening just makes you realise how detached you have become with life at Arsenal. It just seems that we are a club without passion, determination and any belief in what we are trying to achieve. The crowd mirrors the manager and so does the team. The lack of atmosphere at Arsenal games mirrors the lack of any passion or commitment from the players. It really does stand out a mile when you watch other teams and their managers show any real passion, it seems strange as and Arsenal fan to see it but refreshing at the same time. Time for change!

  17. CB

    Apr 14, 2016, 22:05 #87907

    Should have kept schtumm there Jamerson. Klopp just showed what Wenegr hasn't got, ie tactical awareness and mental strength.

  18. Jamerson

    Apr 14, 2016, 20:59 #87906

    Simeone is the new idol whom the WOB are currently bowing down to as the greatest manager ever.Moyes,Mourinho and Klopp are others they have erected busts of.Surely Liverpool should qualify this evening with the brilliant Klopp in charge,lets go and see what's happening.

  19. John F

    Apr 14, 2016, 20:56 #87905

    Enjoyed the 73 golden goals clip Rob some great old names.Great goal by Charlie and the state of the pitch for Rogers goal was an eye opener.One memory I have of Big Mal was when he gave the two finger salute to the shed end and nearly caused a riot. I used to read the electric meter at Selhurst park on a monthly basis in the nineties and I would often walk across the pitch in search of the maintenance man.In my limited mind my seeboard uniform would transform into an Arsenal kit and I would bury an imaginary ball into the goal at the Holmsdale end.No thumbsucking for me in celebration,just a discreet fist pump.

  20. CORNISH GOONER

    Apr 14, 2016, 19:53 #87904

    Forget all the rumours etc. etc. - I can exclusively reveal that A Webster WILL be at the helm for the 2016/2017 after which he is to be given the role of Football Director by a grateful owner & BOD. In another exclusive I can reveal that his replacement will be MARK CARNEY. Mr Carney was given an 8 year contract by George Osborne but Mr Carney made it clear that he would serve for 5 years max. He currently earns less than £1 million pa.which together with his undoubted financial acumen made him the preferred choice of the owner, an american, known affectionately to a l section of the Arsenal fan-base as "Wiggy", "Le Syrup" or "Stan the Man". It is understood that some of the substantial financial savings from this appointment will be used to expand the budget on consultancy services. In a rare interview Mr Kroenke stated that "Mark" had the ideal profile to continue & develop his profitable "soccer" business model so successfully introduced by his predecessor.

  21. Bojangles

    Apr 14, 2016, 19:27 #87903

    The 2017-18 season has started unevenly for Arsenal. Rumours of player dissent with the shock transfer of Giroud to Partick Thistle and the angry Daily Star / Theo interview where he complains bitterly that 'he has been asked to run after the ball and try and kick it' have caused anxiety amongst the crowd. The score of Arsenal 0 Leicester 1 (Neymar 15 mins) has caused booing at half time. Deep in the lower tier Mandy Dodd gets a call from a man with a thick Afrikaans accent. "Ya Mandy dis is WalterBroeckx, are you ready for yer task" Mandy replies. "Oh Walt I'm nervous I don't think I'm ready" "Mandy yer must be brave and remember not to say anything bout the Holy Separatist Church of the Latter Day Arsenites" ya must say it is you only. Remember Mandy this is not like good South Africa before the calamity. I cannot torture traitors anymore. You have to do it this way Ya!" And so Mandy stands up and first removes her top. Nervous muttering behind her give way to a scream as she bends over and removes her Spandex. Free at last naked as the day she was born Mandy runs onto the pitch holding high the banner "Death to Traitor's. Bring back Arsene!" As the police lead her off the cameras capture the moment and a 120 million hits later the Arsenites are back to seek revenge!!!!!

  22. mbg

    Apr 14, 2016, 19:10 #87902

    Mark from Aylesbury, and i'm sure the AKB's would forgive they're fellow wengerites that too, as Ron said a while back they'd excuse their messiah if he took a dump on their heads. wenger out.

  23. jeff wright

    Apr 14, 2016, 18:08 #87901

    mbg,the AKBs are like Wenger so predictable.

  24. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 14, 2016, 17:51 #87900

    JJetplane - I think we have to be a little careful blaming the crowd however indirectly on the sins of a manager in the hinterland of his career. AKB's blame the crowd for the banners which apparently derail our title hopes, us WOBs blame the crowd for not carrying burning torches to the Emirates demanding his head (sorry I've gone all Arsenal Circular on you). Most big clubs have seen the atmosphere soften, feminisation and gentrification of the crowd but that is not always a bad thing. My dad often used to laugh at how a scouser pissed on his mates leg on the Kop during a 70's game but I'm not sure if I'd like to experience that and I'll also keep crowd surfing, moshing etc as an experience not to be repeated, Looking at it from a different angle, just a few banners and a few feisty atmospheres at the Emirates plus phone in shows have really done for Wenger. I think this why this time the board kept quiet during the last meltdown. After all they don't want to look like idiots to world football any more than they can avoid. I genuinely think he is on his last legs, the board are not going to say too much or risk a player implosion. Let's await the new guy in 2017 and turn up with raucous support for whoever it might be. I would be willing to bet that the atmosphere would increase as well.

  25. jeff wright

    Apr 14, 2016, 17:48 #87899

    Wenger's certainly got some of his disciples brainwashed into his way of thinking jj that's for sure. They even stood for the title challenge is still on line that he spun them. Next up it's the top 4 trophy batle is so exciting one.Good old Arsene

  26. mbg

    Apr 14, 2016, 17:42 #87898

    jw, good post you can bet your house on it mate, the new man will not get or be given eleven years from the ABK wengerite luvvies and moonies to get it right like their messiah, and be supported through humiliations and embarrassments like he was, they'll be the first to start complaining, making noise in the ground, booing, (everything their accusing others of doing)crowing for change (no matter what they say or maintain)if it goes wrong, most likely and don't be surprised if it's we want arsene back we want arsene back, you've heard it hear first. wenger out.

  27. jjetplane

    Apr 14, 2016, 16:56 #87896

    Good stuff JW and today's narrative from high on Untold mountain is that the way the AKBs would want Wenger to go would be to prove that all refs are anti Wenger and not anti Arsenal because with the new manager Arsenal will start getting favourable decisions. This is the mass conclusion of 40 thou and counting so the likes of Arsenal ever getting back to being a passionate institution engaged in trying to win trophies is so remote as to be impossible. Wenger has made winning vulgar and so the fans do not want their pricey menu food spoiled by a football coming their way .... Money not Mud is the Arsene Way ... Remember in the old days singing the referee 's a wanker without the full blown paranoia shown by aKBs. Refs were just something on the pitch but it was the players that mattered. watched refs at every level in many countries and find them generally to be just doing a generally thankless task. As for Lines/persons - well that has to be the utmost humilation though I guess at the Emirates it just passes most of them by within the all-encompassing soccer experience .... Seen today Simeone being referred to as a WOB God lol! Imagine the fear and awe if he stepped into the Wok - cue Gladiator ....

  28. jeff wright

    Apr 14, 2016, 15:32 #87895

    Wenger is a festering affliction on AFC his all pervading omnipresence type influence needs to be removed completely from our club. However with Stan happy as Larry with the profit side of things that good old Arsene helps to perpetrate it would not be the greatest surprise ever to see an Arsene MK2 replacing him . So what Stan needs is another manager who would be happy to finish second for the next twenty years _ albeit that Wenger himself failed to do that over the past ten with only 3rd and mainly 4th place finishes to show for his efforts. The new man would also have to be able to emulate Wenger by persuading gullible fools that this is the right way to do things and that they are watching something special that other clubs supporters would die for and to get them to pay the highest prices for tickets in the game . The problem is that Wenger is a one off type - an accountant cum football manager and finding someone else to carry on his work is not going to be easy . For 8m a year though no doubt finding someone to try to do it will not be a problem. The problem is that the new man will be ,unlike good old Arsene, expected by MOST NORMAL supporters to actually win trophies and is unlikely to get donkey's years of time to do this in. I suspect anyway that good old Arsene will, due to his massive ego ,not actually want someone to come in and do better than finishing 4th every season and winning the FA Cup after ten years of failure .Wenger himself if he chooses his successor to be the new head on the block then he is likely to be nothing other than a fall guy set up to make Arsene look better than he in reality was. You can just see in your mind's eye the AKB 's coming on here gloating about the new failure at the club and reminding us of the warnings about being careful what you wished for. So let's hope that enough pressure is put on Stan to ensure that the new manager is not a Wenger choice or attempted clone but someone with fresh ideas and ambition to do better than to be happy with finishing second for the next 20 years. Tbh when Wenger said that I thought that he must be joshing but it turned out that he was being serious! You couldn't make it up.

  29. anthony walters

    Apr 14, 2016, 15:13 #87894

    koeman has a year on his contract left wenger has a year left interesting very interesting.

  30. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 14, 2016, 14:46 #87891

    Goonersol - couldn't agree more, but we'll end up with a Martinez like character if AW has any say. Koeman has already shown him up both in football and verbals so don't expect him anytime soon unless Wenger is removed entirely from the process.

  31. goonersol

    Apr 14, 2016, 14:14 #87889

    Mark from A : If Wenger choosing a successor is like his player buying abilities we are in trouble, no don't need to look to far, go get Simone ( or Koeman ) and lets see where it takes us, we cant do any worse.

  32. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 14, 2016, 14:04 #87888

    Just heard from 3rd source in as many months that Wenger is off in 2017. Latest one was that he wanted to go but board requested 1 more year whilst they find a replacement. Sadly it appears Wenger will have some say in his appointment which concerns me that we could have a UTD drift rather than going big early. Anyway we'll see. Looking good for change at last

  33. mbg

    Apr 14, 2016, 13:56 #87886

    Good read Robert as always, Ron, and we know who is the total con artist of his day now.

  34. Ron

    Apr 14, 2016, 13:32 #87884

    Allison in that barmy fedora! He was the Venables of his day wasnt he - total con artist.

  35. Charlie George Orwell

    Apr 14, 2016, 12:09 #87879

    Thanks again Robert - top notch stuff. Bloody Don Rogers. He made me cry.