True Genius Means Knowing When To Go

Arsene needs to weigh up the wisdom of hanging on for one more season



True Genius Means Knowing When To Go

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I want to take you back to 1971. It was, for one sport-mad ten-year-old boy from Islington, a “very good year”, as Frank Sinatra used to put it. His beloved Arsenal won their first-ever league and cup double, and he actually got to hold the FA Cup at Islington Town Hall during the parade, due to his Dad being on the council. He was the envy of all his school friends the next day when his picture was published in the special souvenir edition of the Evening Standard. He was into cricket, too, and his county, Surrey, won the county championship that year after a long period in the wilderness. And there was one more sporting highlight.

In March of that year, Muhammad Ali fought Joe Frazier for the first time. Both boxers were at the peak of their powers. Most of this boy’s school-mates were Ali fans, natch, but this boy loved Joe Frazier and really wanted him to win. His mates all challenged him to a bet on the outcome, so the boy gulped and asked his Dad what he should do. “Take the bet, I’ll underwrite it” came the response. Dad was vindicated, and the boy came home from school the next day happy and richer.

Three years later, the two fought again, by which time my hero Frazier had been battered by George Foreman and was a shadow of the boxer he had once been. Ali, on the other hand, while he had clearly not been as good as Frazier while both were in their prime, had stood the test of time better. Before the fight the now 13-year-old boy asked his Dad “Shall I see who wants to bet me this time?”. “If you do, you’re on your own, son” came the reply. Thankfully for his pocket he took the hint.

You may be wondering what all this has to do with Arsenal, or with Arsène Wenger. However passionate I now am about wanting him gone, I don’t forget that he was once a great manager. Just as Frazier’s greatest rivalry was with Ali, so Wenger’s was with Alex Ferguson. When both were in their prime, in the late 90s, there was very little to choose between them. If pushed, I’d say that during that halcyon time Wenger was slightly the better of two fantastic managers, and, were it not for Dennis’s missed penalty at Villa Park in the FA Cup semi-final replay, the history books might have reflected that.

But, just like Joe Frazier, Wenger lost his powers far earlier than his great rival did. While Fergie successfully reinvented United so that they continued to be a major force even after the financial doping of Chelsea and Manchester City, Wenger continued to be outpointed, even if his loyal fans would perhaps fairly say he has never been knocked out. Yet, in the end, even Fergie was wise enough to know when it was time to go, as a champion, when he no longer had the energy or powers to rebuild an ageing United team.

You’ll have worked out by now that I am of course the boy in the story. You can tell that I have a long memory, and just as I will always respect Joe Frazier for being the greatest boxer of his time, so I will always respect Wenger’s earlier achievements. But he has taken way too many punches, and it is way past time for the towel to be thrown into the ring. If he hangs on one more season, I fear he will be remembered by most for all the wrong reasons. Is that really what he wants? I know I don’t.


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  1. Grant jones

    May 01, 2016, 22:56 #88850

    Frazier one of the greatest heavyweights of ALL time!!!! Better than Ali? I beg to diver!!!!!

  2. Peter Ross

    May 01, 2016, 10:24 #88790

    The appalling thing is that Wenger seems to think that we should be grateful for another season of breathtaking underachievement involving repeated poor team selection and tactical incompetence. It is obvious that he and the greedy board members exist in a delusional self serving bubble, well insulated from the utter exasperation being felt by the ordinary fans, and, I suspect by some of the players, judging by Danny Wellbeck's post match interview last night. The most hurtful thing is the nagging suspicion that we are being played for fools; surely Wenger doesn't expect us to just accept his increasingly incomprehensible ramblings? We need a good, younger, motivational manager to lnspire the team and sign some proven players to add the missing steel. That guy isn't you, Arsene.

  3. mbg

    Apr 30, 2016, 11:53 #88746

    Vinnie, sorry it's way way to late for that, (maybe two three years ago) he deserves to go a broken man, (especially after yesterday) just the same as he's done to the supporters and the club, and an embarrassment (which he already is)just like all the embarrassments he's brought on the club and is still doing daily. We want wenger out We want wenger out.

  4. Nozzer

    Apr 30, 2016, 10:59 #88740

    It is sad the way Wenger is acting in his press conferences. He has been our greatest manager but sadly the only people who can't see it are himself, Kroenke and Gazidis. In the face of all this unrest there has not been a single comment from either of them backing their man stating that he will be here next season. Could it be possible that he won't be

  5. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 30, 2016, 10:48 #88738

    What Jamerson has just proven in his last comment is he doesn't pay attention to anything other than what Arsene tells him. He doesn't understand the football, he doesn't know what's going on. Never mind stating being 'away champions' is factually incorrect with the true facts everywhere, including in the comments above his, Arsene said it so it must still be true. Next he'll be telling us the banks demanded he stay as manager... oh dear.

  6. Vinne

    Apr 30, 2016, 10:02 #88732

    Very interesting and well thought article Bob and very balanced. I think it also brings it home to me that I really don't wish to see him leave with his reputation in tatters. You are part of our history Arsene and helped transform us in your first 10 years here. Please gracefully before it is too late...

  7. S Doctor

    Apr 30, 2016, 9:12 #88730

    Oh Jamerson Leicester have the best away record in the league followed by Spurs. Silly boy but it's a 3rd placed trophy, hoorah!

  8. Barry Tesar

    Apr 30, 2016, 8:20 #88729

    I know you were just a ten year old kid and didn't really know much in those days, but now you are a grown man and have no excuses for believing that Muhammad Ali was in his prime in March of 1971.

  9. Jamerson

    Apr 30, 2016, 8:10 #88728

    We have the best away record in the Premiership which shows the team has bottle.The WOBs can't accuse us of being flat track bullies anymore as we have the best record against the top sides and have only faltered against a few crappy teams at home because some of our fans can't get up for it and as Wenger pointed out have huge agendas against the club.It was also amusing that the interviewer asked Arsene if the fans 'should be careful what they wish for'.Wenger was also right to point out that Arsenal have a special way of conducting themselves and have huge respect around the world for the way we play the game unlike flukey Leicester and the spuds who are still playing 1990's hoofball and will both surely sink back to mid-table mediocrity next season.

  10. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 30, 2016, 7:18 #88727

    Exeter - Apologies my friend a senior moment where I mixed up a previous contribution from Cornish. I know not even the same county!

  11. Goonerwoody

    Apr 30, 2016, 4:17 #88726

    I'm absolutely gobsmacked by Wenger's pre-game press conference and the utterly blinkered nature of everything he's saying. What an arrogant, out of touch old timer he has become! Yes he deserves credit for managing the club through tricky financial waters during the building of the stadium and most Gooners should completely understand a short term hit for longer term success, but what about the last three or four years since those restrictions were lifted? We have absolutely failed during a time when we HAVE been able to retain players and enjoy the largest match day revenue in world football when we have the resources to at least challenge and win top honours from time to time. The other bit that just blew my mind was how it's not about buying names, but the performance of the games. Apparently the only person connected to the club that cannot see how sterile the football is and how mentally frail we are is the man himself!

  12. mbg

    Apr 29, 2016, 21:31 #88723

    Nick, i hear you again, there was no one who loved to come out with the immortal words Forever in Our Shadow to all my spud friends as much as myself, but not anymore if it meant/means getting rid of weng and seeing his massive ego take a battering, and anyway I've no doubt with a decent manager, who knows his stuff with proper players that shadow will soon appear again.

  13. David

    Apr 29, 2016, 19:50 #88719

    I'm not sure why it would be unwise for Wenger to stay. He has a team that did well up to Christmas who he believes were challenging for the league, he has the full support of the board, he gets another season in Europe and he will get another £8 million to do the same next season. A few fan protests might annoy him (the board are likely to be totally unaffected), but unless there is any tangible effect such as the prawn circle cancelling their season tickets en masse, nothing will change. For now. The way I see it is that Wenger will leave next season when Arsenal do what Chelsea did this season. Only an unequivocal failure will see Wenger go, when the board see the European money go.

  14. CT Gooner

    Apr 29, 2016, 19:49 #88718

    Sorry Nick, love the Arsenal far more than I hate the spuds, so for me it's all about getting our club back. You'll notice burrows down in his incoherent rant today that he had to sell his best players for 3 or so years. This is news to me, as I seem to recall RvP saying this, with Wenger and Gazidis telling us it wasn't true. I'll end by saying his comments this morning have offended me so much that I've lost all good will toward him. He should be fired forth with for bring this once great club into disrepute.

  15. Alan the Drinking Monk

    Apr 29, 2016, 18:30 #88715

    Pffft, check out this joker above ^^^^ just like his deity, utterly clueless with selective memory. Liverpool fans? The set of supporters who hounded out Roy Hodgson after a handful of games? Dont make me laugh although surprising Wenger has affinity with the most downtrodden set of fans who like the AKB's deity, blames everyone else for their woes. Arsene's meltdown infront of the press means the end is nigh and he knows it. Cant wait!

  16. Jamerson

    Apr 29, 2016, 18:12 #88713

    Wenger was spot on in his interview today..The fans have got to man up and get behind the team not just whinge and protest..He was right to out the WOBs as fickles who needed to take lessons from the AKB's and even Liverpool fans on how they should support the team..Also he was correct when he said this current group of players have a far better attitude than many from the past who spent much of their time boozing and whoremongering.

  17. Nick T

    Apr 29, 2016, 17:46 #88711

    Wenger's comments today are so ridiculous, not to mention mis-timed, you'd think he's actually been recruited by the WOBs to really stoke things up ahead of whats going to be a very interesting evening at the Em*rates tomorrow!! It should never have come to this....but I'm afraid the blame for that falls at only one man's door. The end is close....

  18. Cyril

    Apr 29, 2016, 17:45 #88710

    Bob, I must take you to task. I' AM AFRAID you are totally wrong in my opinion to state that Ali fought Frazier in his prime. You also state that he was not as good in his prime. Poppycock! Ali was in his prime in the sixties. He was unstoppable at heavyweight, never before and never again to be seen. He followed the blueprint of the greatest SR Robinson. He was a middleweight. Ali did the same at heavyweight. Apollo Creed's actions and behaviour in the rocky films was based on the Ali vs Cleveland Williams fight in 1966. [please feel free to educate yourself on you tube]. The difference was this was a real fight. Ali had 2 more fights and then lost his licence because he was not willing to go and kill other brown people in Vietnam. He came back 3 years 7 months later a different fighter. He took out Bonavena In 1970 before his fight with Frazier. He had lost his bounce by then and fought with right leads and jabs going backwards. Meanwhile in 1966 when Frazier was not even a sperm in Ali's eye , he won a close split decision against Bonavena. Frazier does not make a top ten all time boxers in most people's eyes who know boxing. The only relevance to Arsenal I can think of is when we won the league in 1989 and had to wait to 1991 to compete in the European cup due to expulsion. Could we have done well in 1990 who knows. One thing I do know is Frazier would not have won a fight against Ali had he not had to take a break. Being the great man he was, he spent his time fighting for equal rights. Bob,with the greatest respect to you , tripe, sorry mate!!

  19. Rochey

    Apr 29, 2016, 17:42 #88709

    Now he's blaming us for his failure.enough. Wenger out.

  20. Nick

    Apr 29, 2016, 17:36 #88708

    Mgb, if my scenario meant him staying then id reluctantly accept it shouldn't happen, but ive hated spuds with a passion since as far back ( and that's a long, long way back) as I can remember, when I first started supporting Arsenal we were then in the scums shadow with their " stylish" double always held before you,even after the joyous night at ****e fsrt lane when we first won the title and the first half of out double it was still played down as we didn't do it playing the " right" sort of football or so it was said, I have had to run from that craphole on more than one occasion chased by their neanderthal " fans" so finishing above them especially when they consider the job already done would be sweet indeed, but as you say NOT if it meant another three years of purgatory with le fraud in charge, his race is run his time long since gone.This latest from him is beyond the.pale, WE are to blame for this seasons failure, not his inaction in two transfer windows, not his failure to adapt tactics, not his failure to motivate the players, no its us supporters who pay only a pittance to watch his so called top , top quality players CHOKE every time it matters and play some of the most mind numbingly boring football ive ever seen, but never mind its not as though we pay the highest ticket prices in Europe that go towards keeping him , wiggy , Gazidis and co in the lap of luxury what do we have to.complain about? We should just suck it.up and get behind him and the team for the same old failings year after year after year or f off down the lane, yeah right !! Just GO Wenger you have no credibility and respect left !!!

  21. Hiccup

    Apr 29, 2016, 17:33 #88707

    I think posters on here misunderstand how the 'Away Championship' is calculated. I believe Wenger is using the 'calendar year' format, whereas you all seem to have fallen in to the trap set by the agenda ridden Mail, who have used the old style and now well outdated 'football season' calendar. In fact, if you took time out from your Wenger bashing to get your facts straight, you'll find we're also the 24 month 'away' champions!

  22. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Apr 29, 2016, 17:11 #88705

    Wenger has to go end off. The man has lost the plot as evidenced by his delusional rambling press conference today!! Can't wait for the protest tomorrow !! GET WENGER OUT!!!

  23. mbg

    Apr 29, 2016, 16:30 #88702

    I see Leicester are trying to sign another young Jamie Vardy, Charlie Coppola, but have competition from the usual suspects, if he has any sense or any one around him with half a brain they'll make dam sure he stays out of wengers clutches, god help him if he lets TOF get anywhere near him.

  24. Kenny

    Apr 29, 2016, 16:29 #88701

    According to Wenger we are the away champions even though Leicester and Spurs have better away records.The man is demented.Now he tells us its all the fault of the fans nothing to do with him.The fans who pay his £8m a year.Once you start blaming the fans its the beginning of the end.Let the protests begin

  25. mbg

    Apr 29, 2016, 16:20 #88700

    Nick, I hear what your saying mate, and under normal circumstances probably true, but does it really matter ? the fact you seem to be the only one on here promoting that scenario says it all, and as you say yourself it's not going to change anything anyway wenger must go, the fact is if the spuds finish above us it might be the best thing that has ever happened to us the kick up the arse the club need and hasten TOF's departure even more, surely well worth a bit of slagging from family and friends for.

  26. Le Grande Odeur

    Apr 29, 2016, 16:15 #88699

    Clouseau et al started spinning this line the other month while also stating he "built the club". It really is a regime that knows no shame. He really does resemble a very tired despot clinging onto power.

  27. Alsace

    Apr 29, 2016, 16:00 #88698

    Peter Wain. Winston Churchill found it hqrd to be on the sqme side as Stalin, but had to do it. Some of the hqrdest AKB's qre now turning against TSOF. This season, finally, is the one that has made them see. He doesn't like to think that anyone considers him anything other than a genius. In point of fact he might as well be a dullard. Let's remind him of that. loudly.

  28. mbg

    Apr 29, 2016, 16:00 #88697

    Good article in the Sun today from Neil Ashton with a headline quips like wengers time warp, wenger bought into his own hype, the country brainwashed into believing he had supernatural powers, all so true, wouldn't it be great when he goes through his front door this evening he'd disappear into some other time warp never to be heard off or seen again.

  29. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 29, 2016, 15:34 #88696

    Mark from A - very far from a silver surfer! My AFC memories only go back to the 80s. Wenger has compounded the insult by saying the fans are being manipulated - as if people can't see for themselves the performances are poor, as if they can't actually read the results. Any other club, he'd be finished for this.

  30. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 29, 2016, 15:09 #88695

    Big shout to the Exeter Silver Surfer! I did wonder if Wenger is trying to get a revengeful dig. As he knows he's for the high jump. As others have rightly said a massive own goal and not a good idea when feelings are running high. I'm wondering if he going to flounce off.. Let's hope anyway.

  31. Gaz

    Apr 29, 2016, 14:47 #88694

    Once you start blaming your own fans for your own mistakes there's only ever going to be one outcome. Its not a matter of if he leaves now but when he leaves...

  32. John Evans

    Apr 29, 2016, 14:41 #88693

    When you give one man complete control of a football club and allow him to become accountable only to himself you end up with the kind of comments that Arsene has made today. It allows a sense of delusion to take over and become the norm. Arsene is no longer a man that lives and operates in the same world as you or I. Arsene only sees his own point of view and has done many years now. The fault of this lies really with the club itself and not Arsene. We must learn from this as a club when Arsene does step down and never allow it to happen again.

  33. goonersol

    Apr 29, 2016, 14:40 #88692

    Wenger's attack on the fans is disgraceful, he is always looking for excuses and blaming others, just like his team management.. Take a long hard look at yourself Mr Wenger over the last 10 years, then come back and say why we have failed to win anything of note. Disgraceful and an insult to the fans who pay the highest prices in Football and contribute greatly to your £8m a year ..........shame on you......... Go now you Fraud.

  34. Bard

    Apr 29, 2016, 14:33 #88691

    Wengers comments abut the fans being responsible for the poor performances at home is surely a massive PR own goal. How that is supposed to help tomorrow is beyond me. He can only have made things worse for tomorrow. The level of delusion and lack of responsibility is breathtaking

  35. Nick

    Apr 29, 2016, 13:47 #88688

    We have NOT lost all hope of finishing above spurs they have a game vs Chelsea which is a game they could lose if we then beat Norwich wed be two points behind them they have to travel to Newcastle who may well need to win to stay up they have lost one of their main players in Deli Ali ( surely a character from only fools and horses ) for the rest of the season it is entirely possible they could drop six from the remaining nine points on.offer if we ( unlikely I know) win out last three we would then finish one point above them, I have not given up hope of such a scenario, personally it would be great if it happened and save me much mirth and merriment at my expense as all my inlaws are spuds ! It wouldn't.in anyway change the fact that Wenger has failed yet again and in even more spectacular style than usual or change my mind that he must GO !!

  36. John Evans

    Apr 29, 2016, 13:41 #88687

    Wow, the level of delusion in Arsene these days beggars belief. The fans at the game tomorrow must let their views be known loud and clear. "NO MORE EXCUSES, IT'S TIME TO GO!"

  37. DECLAN BURKE

    Apr 29, 2016, 13:16 #88686

    Whatever trouble lay in store for the management tomorrow, Wenger's comments today may well be the straw that breaks the camels back, I foresee MAJOR tension inside The Emirates tomorrow.

  38. David the Price is Ian Wright Wright Right!

    Apr 29, 2016, 13:06 #88685

    Apparently we are " champions away." More spin, and soundbite. Leicester & Spurs have better away form overall. We are currently 3rd in the away form table, but 5th at home in the form table. We have collected more pts at home though after playing one game less. I sat down on Boxing Day and watched us get stuffed 4-0 away at Southampton and thought champions elect don't lose like this. 3-3 at Anfield when leading with seconds to go. The debacle at Old Trafford, even further back the 2-0 loss at Chelsea springs to mind; where his protege Paulista had a 'job' done on him by Costa. Yes, Wenger's answer to our perennial CB problems. This player has single handedly cost Arsenal at least 9pts, perhaps more, and was destroyed by Ighalo versus Watford at home in the FA cup. No, the truth of the matter is that Herr Wenger's new model is no army, & certainly not fit for purpose: winning and winning well. Le Professuer always tries to build 'easy on the eye' teams. But, they are too easily beaten and have no stomach for a fight. THIS IS NOT THE ARSENAL OF OLD. Wenger's potions don't work anymore. He's failing to evolve or adapt. 1-0 to the Arsenal again please. I don't want to be seduced or TRICKED. Just my ol' battling Gunners who can do trenches and the like...

  39. mbg

    Apr 29, 2016, 13:06 #88684

    Good Headline Bob but unfortunately, and as we know this old past it manager isn't one of those, and is to arrogant and egoistic to contemplate it even though he's been on the ropes for twelve rounds now taking embarrassing beatings after embarrassing beatings, so lets hope after the weekend that towel will be thrown in. wenger out.

  40. Tony Evans

    Apr 29, 2016, 12:46 #88683

    Against my better judgement I have just read some of Wenger's comments about the planned protests tomorrow. I am now quietly seething as Wenger says fans should respect Arsenal's 'values' whatever they are and that the atmosphere at the Bowl contributed to our poor home form. Nothing to do with him them of course. He then went on to talk about protest organisers with big egos - not as big as his though I'll wager. On the plus side he says we have won the 'only away games count' trophy this season to go with our collection of 4th place trophies. I had better go out for a lunchtime walk and a pint now to get my blood pressure down!

  41. Charles

    Apr 29, 2016, 12:32 #88682

    At last he recognizes that we drop too many points at home. Of course this is all the fans fault and nothing to do with the slow sideways passing and lack of attacking intent letting the opposition easily settle into a defensive pattern. #WENGEROUT.

  42. Peter Wain

    Apr 29, 2016, 12:29 #88681

    whilst I want Wenger to go I find it very hard to be on the same side as Piers Morgan. Here is a man using Arsenal to promote his career very distasteful and pathetic. Just do one Piers.

  43. Exeter Gunner

    Apr 29, 2016, 12:10 #88680

    Mark from A - seems he is. He's blaming the difficult environment at home games for failing to win the league. That'll be the 'difficult environment' fostered by Welbeck's last minute winner against Leicester - no wonder the team collapsed after that. The guy keeps finding ever more monstrous depths of insult, arrogance and delusion to plumb.

  44. goonersol

    Apr 29, 2016, 11:48 #88678

    You have to accept that it is sad that it has come to this.........But the fact is that most fans have turned against Wenger because of the lack of respect he and the board have for us fans, we are treated with contempt , told to accept 2nd best , told to believe that things would get better, told we would challenge , told we would be a great club with a winning mentality , All these promises while being told to pay the highest prices in Football. Well after 10 years of these promises it is no surprise that we don't believe them anymore, that is why we have turned against Wenger and the board . Its a sorry state of affairs but he/they have bought it to this.......Taxi for Wenger SIFF.

  45. John Evans

    Apr 29, 2016, 11:40 #88677

    That is why the matter needs to be taken out of his hands. If Arsene feels genuine pressure from the stands at the last few games of this season I feel he will walk away. It really is down to the fans to let their true feelings be known inside the ground. It is the only way of us making progress as a club.

  46. Mark from Aylesbury

    Apr 29, 2016, 11:36 #88676

    According to the Sun he is blaming us fans for not winning the league. He's totally lost it hasn't he

  47. Smithy

    Apr 29, 2016, 11:35 #88675

    Unfortunately Arsene keeps getting off the canvas thinking he has a lucky punch in him but is denial about his actual ability.