Arsenal Escape With A Point in Paris

Online Ed: Fortune, poor finishing and David Ospina prevent defeat against PSG



Arsenal Escape With A Point in Paris


Football is a results business, and on that level, Arsenal’s draw at the Parc des Princes last night was a very good point. Paris St Germain’s side are stuffed with star names, even after the departure of Zlatan Ibrahimovic. I suspect they were favourites to top the group before a ball was kicked in anger.

Somehow, they conspired to allow Arsenal to take a point from a match they really should have buried before half time, such was their dominance. Edison Cavani, after scoring the simplest of opening goals, missed two sitters to keep the opposition in the game. Let’s face it, Arsenal in the opening 45 minutes were woeful.

The starting selection was an eye opener. I had suggested after the Southampton match that Arsene Wenger might be looking at playing a false number nine this season, using the more orthodox front man abilities of Olivier Giroud from the bench. Last night seemed to confirm that. A front three of Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sanchez and Iwobi (Walcott was injured), with Sanchez nominally the central attacker took the field and had hardly any impact as Arsenal struggled to put their passes together.

The goal PSG scored in the opening minute does not require great examination. It was rank bad defending from both Monreal and Mustafi. Cavani was allowed the freedom of the Arsenal box, and it wasn’t an isolated incident. Were their finishing a bit better, the home side could have won this game by a hatful, and ultimately paid the price for their profligacy.

David Ospina started the game at the expense of Petr Cech, which, given that Cech was on the bench, was obviously a sweetener for the Colombian international from the manager. Unlike against Olympiacos last September, he got away with it, as Ospina made several critical saves, with PSG cutting going through the Arsenal backline like a hot knife through butter.

Another interesting selection was the decision to stick with Coquelin and Cazorla at the heart of Arsenal’s midfield. And there was me thinking Granit Xhaka was being rested against Southampton so that he could preserve his energy for this game. There was a thought that Xhaka would be partnered by Mohammed Elneny from the start, but the two only entered from the subs’ bench.

At half-time, by some quirk of fate, the Gunners were only a goal down. The second half saw improvement from the visitors, although let’s face it, it could hardly have got any worse. They got men forward more – Mustafi forcing the pace early on – and pressed with more conviction. However, they did leave themselves vulnerable on the counter attack, and PSG spurned more excellent opportunities to extend their lead, in no small part due to the outstanding display from Ospina.

Giroud replaced the Ox to provide more of a focal point, and eventually, an equalizer came after a blocked Iwobi strike was pounced upon by Sanchez. There was no further score and Arsenal finished with a point they hardly deserved.

To look at the bigger picture, in spite of the team only featuring one new arrival from the off, there seemed little cohesion and shape to Arsenal’s play. The best chances seemed to come from set pieces as in open play there were all too rarely enough bodies in the box when a player worked an opportunity from wide. With a false number nine, there is greater onus on the attacking midfield to overlap their forwards and throw the opposition into confusion. But it didn’t happen often enough.

So blunt going forward, and looking vulnerable in defence. Giroud’s dismissal for a second yellow means the false nine experiment will continue against Basel, but more telling will be whether Giroud makes his first start of the season against Hull at the weekend. If Perez is to become the first choice front man, he needs time to integrate with the team. If that is the plan, the folly of leaving it so late in the summer window to secure him looks like it will cost.

On the evidence of last night, I’d back PSG to win the group, because Arsenal – remember with only one new face starting last night – do not seem to have addressed the underlying problems that saw them fall short last season as Leicester took the title. And if Arsenal performed as they did in the Nou Camp rather than Parc des Princes, the result might not be dissimilar to the hammering Celtic took there at the same time the Gunners managed to escape with a point.

A case of getting away with it, but that kind of fortune won’t last. Arsenal need to up their game, but at the moment, it is difficult to see where that might come from.

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  1. Moscow Gooner

    Sep 16, 2016, 18:03 #93160

    It strikes me that instead of spending the kitty on a new reserve line up, Arsenal might have invested the money more wisely in turning the Emirates into a football stadium. Rip out the boxes - with the new TV deal we don't need to cater to 'corporates' any more - buy out the club level ticket holders and create single tier sweeping stands. Drop the pitch a few feet and bring the fans back on to the touch line. And standing behind the goals. Then we might go somewhere in the Champions League. 100 M should cover it....

  2. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 16, 2016, 7:34 #93146

    Bonzo - Where there's (anus-emitted) muck, there's brass (knuckledusters).

  3. Bonzo

    Sep 15, 2016, 17:06 #93114

    Jamerson - I am an admirer of you. In that you've made so much money from sanitary ware. I hear you are a billionaire? Certainly the title of 'Worlds biggest toilet trader' fits you well. Well done Sir I suspect the toilet trading is where you met Leekey?

  4. mbgesztuh

    Sep 15, 2016, 13:54 #93111

    Tony Evans, dead right there (and I've no doubt the fact WOB's can and do have highs really pisses the AKB's off)unfortunately the highs quickly become lows when we see TOF smirking and grinning taking the adulation. Go now you old fraud.

  5. Kenny

    Sep 15, 2016, 13:54 #93110

    With the ball we are not that bad a team but without it we are a shambles.Wenger likes to believe we are Barcelona lite but look what they do when they dont have the ball.Their top players close the opposition down when they lose the ball.Our players Ozil Cazorla Ox just stroll back without a care in the world when they lose the ball.We have two full backs who bomb forward with no regard to their defensive duties.Whatever anyone says we got lucky because PSG had a CF who made Giroud look like Aguero.We have already had a league game when we have shipped 4 goals expect a few more this season against quality strikers.I still think we will finish runners up in the group

  6. chris dee

    Sep 15, 2016, 9:35 #93107

    Can only repeat what Lee Dixon said,defensively,without the ball we are a disaster.No organisation,no method no frigging plan.If we had lost 3-0 no one would have been surprised after that shambles of a defensive display. And to keep repeating myself it doesn't matter how many millions are spent on transfers or what players are brought in,if the players do not have a semblance of defensive coaching then we will win sod all again this year.The buck stops with Arsene Wenger as this type of defensive ineptitude has been going on for ten years.

  7. Gaz

    Sep 15, 2016, 9:34 #93106

    Hi Tony. Once again I can't argue with any of that. Can't believe I got to the point last season where I couldn't be bothered to go to one single home game. If someone had told me ten years ago that ten years later I'd feel so distant from the Club I'd have called them crazy. Must admit I'm absolutely gutted that something that used to be central to everything I did is now just a distant interest that I can take or leave now. I really miss feeling awful after any defeat as it made the wind feel so much better. Now there's just a big void that I doubt I'll ever fill even when AW finally leaves. Actually I hope his leaving rekindles some of this lost interest but deep down I think I know there's been so much damaged caused that my love affair with the Club simply won't ever be the same again.

  8. Mad Monk

    Sep 15, 2016, 9:23 #93105

    Having a top top goalscorer doesn't guarantee success Untold have proof of this !!! Did anyone watch Aguero last night. Changing your manager every couple of years doesn't guarantee success Untold have researched this Can someone remind me what have we won or seriously competed in since the purse strings have been severed? They comically state that " Arsenal were overrun early on " against PSG and the ref was biased excuses excuses again and again spin spin spin

  9. Tony Evans

    Sep 15, 2016, 8:24 #93104

    Hi Gaz - strange feeling isn't it! Liberating in one way but desperately sad in another. Do we 'thank' Wenger for 'curing' our Arsenal obsession rather than curse him for destroying our love of the club? I am sure, like me, you have gone through a whole range of emotions since about 2006 / 2007 when all the nonsense started with Project Youth etc. Confusion, dismay, anger, frustration and now finally a calm acceptance / sadness, and that feeling of I don't really care anymore. I will probably now drift in to the sort of 'supporter' I used to hate - a non supporter if you like but with Arsenal still notionally 'my' club. It won't be the same of course because any highs will not give such unbridled joy anymore because the lows now mean hardly anything, and you can't fully appreciate one with the other can you.

  10. Mark from Aylesbury

    Sep 15, 2016, 7:38 #93103

    Jamerson - I know feeding trolls is bad but I have to respond to your most inane and frankly inaccurate assessment yet. Why would a WOB and let's remind us (Wenger Out Brigade) have only supported Arsenal since 2004. It's the supporters who have over the years witnessed life under George Grahan and even Bertie Mee the 71' double generation or maybe the '79 cup final cemented the deal. It's this group who aren't happy. Luckily a lot of the younger lads see through him too.

  11. Jamerson

    Sep 15, 2016, 0:11 #93102

    Leekey - Squeel like a pig boy, oink oink.

  12. Le Fartpipe

    Sep 14, 2016, 23:44 #93101

    well...errrr....overall...errr...I belieeeeeeeeeve my bumhole is leetle beet itchy....errrrr.....as well....errrr I belieeeeeeeeeeve my finger is leetle beet stinky.

  13. Fact

    Sep 14, 2016, 23:22 #93100

    The 25,000 freebies Spurs gave out in Brent has backfired on them.

  14. Gaz

    Sep 14, 2016, 22:38 #93099

    Tony Evans: Blimey mate (and as usual!) your post no 98567 absolutely sums up how I feel about the Club and football in general. Just lost total interest in the Club and I do wonder if I'll claw back that enthusiasm when Wenger leaves.

  15. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 14, 2016, 22:27 #93098

    Along you come leekie like a bucket of cold sick. Since when was it a requirement for Arsenal fans to know the origins of south american players(neither of whom have ever even played for us). Dunce! Get back in the caravan - Jamee's had the thai lurve beads roasting on the fire for the past three hours - we'll grin and you can just bear it.

  16. Leekey

    Sep 14, 2016, 22:21 #93097

    Jeff ALWAYS wright has got it wrong again. Getting Cavani mixed up with Higuain is very good Jeff. Gooner ???? My Arse.

  17. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 14, 2016, 22:19 #93096

    Ron, enjoy your day at Goodison Park. Leicester put the CL in perpective tonight and the largest ever congregation of Spuds fans saw their team lose, they still have it don't they?

  18. Ron

    Sep 14, 2016, 21:52 #93095

    Loved all of yr responses to my last post lads. Who says this site isnt a good one! Arsenal fans have always been footballs thinking fans in my view by and large,a cut above the norm even. Thats why so many us feel used, lied to denigrated and disregarded. 'Marooned' is a good definition of how many of us are feeling (arseneknew...) . AFC should take a long hard look at itself for creating this situ and ask itself why its happened. Bard - yr not stupid at all. Far from it. I read yr posts. Yr nobody's mug. Its great that you think how you do. Agree with nearly all that you say. George Eastham indeed. I never actually saw GE in an Arsenal shirt though and then he left by time i d been to Highbury a few times. Most of Joe Bakers games i saw he was in a Forest Shirt too as i lived nr Loughboro by then. SKG - Everton are a wonderful Club. Ive not long written to them asking for some nice seats for a game in November for me to take a close friend whos very ill and a mad keen Blue she is. Theyve responded by offering me two (not freebies but nicely priced ) even tho said match is highly sought by their own fans. I told them i was a Gunners fan after a favour. No problems at all. Thats ll be my next game. A trip up the M6/M62 to Goodison. Lovely ramshackle ground but so good a place to see football. What response wd AFC have given to an Everton fan? I darent think in todays climate and that makes me sad to think AFC would be unhelpful. Maybe they wouldnt be? Who knows. Theyre awkward enough with their own supporters Clubs! Mr Koeman ? Yes, like him. Good for Everton. AFC should have gone for him in my view. He ll do well at Everton. Its so bad that Mersey football is media driven to make people think Liverpool are the deal. That rabble had a 30 yr golden spell. Nothing else, tho 5 EC s are impressive. The footie historians amongst us know its the Blues who have all the pedigree and tradition up there though. Shankly and the Beatles gave Everton a platform to climb onto from next to nothing didnt they.

  19. jjetplane

    Sep 14, 2016, 21:39 #93094

    Can see why Mahrez and Vardy snubbed Wengo when they are with a coach who understands the CL. Great start for the current CHAMPIONES/oh wey ..... Totts lose against Monaco (like Arsenal) but with crowds like that are the Totts on the way to being bigger than Asano?

  20. mbg

    Sep 14, 2016, 20:36 #93093

    Peter, if TOF brought the team of nice boys into a brothel he'd have them all moving round and round, up and down, feely feely, touchy touchy, with no penetration whatsoever.

  21. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 14, 2016, 20:28 #93092

    Ron - Nice one . Your posts are always among the most readable on here. I use to play a lot of footie until I was into my 30s. I travelled a lot with my job and so also played in a lot of foreign countries as well as in and around NE London. I always saw Arsenal as a cut above others - our ground, history, players all made it easy to imagine our superiority. I got a real buzz from living in Highbury, walking to games with thousands that I didn't know but with whom I shared a common purpose. But despite playing so much, I used to tell mates I loved Arsenal but was less keen on football. That has stuck with me to some extent and I now feel a bit marooned. International football is p*ss in my view, and I never watch non-Asano games on the box. I lived in Argentina for 4 years in the 80s and 90s when footie there was like it was here in the 70s. Rough and dangerous but incredibly exciting. For me it was a chance to wind back time and have some real laughs as well as some crushing defeats. I followed Racing Club de Avellaneda home and away, singing myself hoarse and often being bombarded with tear gas and all sorts of mayhem (Boca Juniors away was always a bit tasty). I was too young for that in London in the 70s so it was like a second chance at real football. I respect the other views on here and I envy those that really have switched off a little. I suspect some of it may be wishful thinking though because much as I hate weng, my weekend is still positively or negatively affected by our results. That's even after I've wanted Arsenal to lose in case it leads to weng's P45. Mentally, I'm all over the shop when it comes to Arsenal these days and I'm unhappy about it.

  22. mbg

    Sep 14, 2016, 20:21 #93091

    Ron, I have to say i'm probably at your point also, I really don't care any more, but at the same time don't want to give in and let wenger and his regime beat me if you know what I mean, because at the end of the day we all loved Arsenal(and probably still do)not in the same way as we used to of course and that's where I blame TOF and his regime and will never forgive him for it no matter what happens, because at the end of the day it was our club so to speak we were here long long long before he arrived and set about turning it into a shadow of himself (ruining it) with his DNA running through it. wenger out.

  23. Peter

    Sep 14, 2016, 20:00 #93090

    Yes we were so lucky. They should have been 3 or 4-0 up before we scored. PSG seemed to want to retain a 1-0 win from beginning of second half. Why did Wenger not bring Giroud on earlier? Also again we still pass too many times across the pitch and no penetration. I still think Ozil is not the right type of player for us He did nothing yesterday just short passes with no penetration, Santi is more penetrative. I agree Bellerin is now probably one of the top right backs in the world. Hopefully Barcelona don't want him next year.

  24. mbg

    Sep 14, 2016, 19:53 #93089

    Tony Evans, I doubt that spark will ever come back in any of us (I actually forgot we had a game last night until the wife asked 10 min in was there any score yet) and I blame one person for that wenger nobody else, yes we can go way back to who sold what to who, who left, who took over, who owns what, but this is wengers team, he bought/buys the players, coaches them,(his way) it has his ways, philosophies (failed ones)finger prints and DNA all over it and all through it from top to bottom, (and has had twenty years to do, all make it all that) the only way we'll ever know if that spark comes back is when he goes and we don't have to listen to him or see his ugly mug, even if it is upstairs, like I said he'll be out of sight out of mind, and we can concentrate on supporting the new man and team, (I personally don't care who that is, can it be any worse ?) sadly I think it'll take until he's gone completely until we really find if the spark comes back, and when his grubby fingerprints and DNA start to be removed slowly but surely, (as I cant see him with his ego lasting long upstairs) but for the time being mate i'm happy to put up with things at the minute and wait and see what the new man and his team of coaches bring and hopefully yourself and the rest of us same thinking fans are too even if it's to see and find out how the AKB's react to and like life WITHOUT their beloved wenger. Walk now old man.

  25. Martin

    Sep 14, 2016, 19:37 #93087

    A 1-1 massacre.If PSG had a striker we would have been buried at half-time.Make no mistake that was a rotten performance.Why did we rest Xhaka v Southampton then not play him v PSG?How is the Ox who has been awful this season getting starts.And when will the penny drop Ozil and Cazorla cant play together.Start Xhaka Ramsey Elneny at Hull drop Coquelin Ox and Cazorla

  26. Lord Rodney

    Sep 14, 2016, 19:19 #93086

    Leekey you scurrilous dog! I demand an answer, speak up you snivelling little man. Who are you tipping for the title?

  27. Bard

    Sep 14, 2016, 19:04 #93085

    Good post Ron and heartfelt too. Im stupid for hanging on so long but have been going on and off for more years than I can remember. I have no problem with Arsenal being careful with their money but sport isnt sport if you dont compete. And to my mind its been far too long since they gave any competition a proper go. Yesterday was exactly the same version as last season and the season before. There are only 2 possible explanations either he doesnt think there are problems that need sorting or he is incapable of sorting them. Whichever it is it leads to only one conclusion. By the way Ron you missed George Eastham out of that group

  28. Tony Evans

    Sep 14, 2016, 18:50 #93084

    Hi Ron - what you say makes good sense. I'm getting there slowly and I can't ever really see me going back to how I used to obsess about Arsenal.

  29. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 14, 2016, 18:29 #93083

    Great post Ron, I understand how you feel because I am enjoying my football down the leagues now and really like chatting to away fans when I watch Colchester. I, like you, see the whole game now and I am better now for not being so "one eyed" as in the past. The other night listening to Everton take Sunderland apart the thought crossed my mind, how great would it be if Koeman could bring the title back to the blue half of Merseyside, great traditional club are the toffees.

  30. Fozzy

    Sep 14, 2016, 18:01 #93082

    PSG produced a classic Arse performance. Score just the one, miss a load more sitters, then fall victim to a soft undeserved equaliser at the away end.

  31. mbg

    Sep 14, 2016, 17:55 #93081

    Yes the right word is been used in False alright, it can certainly describe a lot about this team and it's past it manager, false 9, false positions, false players, false tactics (lack off), false training, false medic's, false fans (AKB's) (false truths) and of course yes a false manager and false philosophies with a false reputation with two false eyes. Old falsie out.

  32. anthony walters

    Sep 14, 2016, 17:54 #93080

    decent result poor performance.as i've said before ospina is a class keeper .again arsene in my opinion should have picked elneny or xhaka and left out cazorla or the doing us a favour to play for us ozil to give the defence better protection.it also shows we miss welbeck on the flank and why letting campbell go was a mistake.the work for the team they do in tough away games covering is sorely missed.arsene has been great for us but his best days are behind him and this contract should be his last.

  33. Ron

    Sep 14, 2016, 17:53 #93079

    Tony/Bard - I think im a stage further down the line from you guys. Agree with all that you say about AFC and yes, football has changed in many ways for the worse and in some ways for the better i think. For me, im a 'generalist' now i.e i can enjoy football played by other teams, be it PL, championship or non league. In many ways, im pleased as really we should all be like that to a degree at least. To not be, removes a lot from seeing footie and ive learned that this last 7-8 years. My Dad always used to say, that 'theres no game without an opponent', He wasnt even anti Tottenham really. He used to say how good some of their teams were. I didnt learn the lesson as a kid! I have now. I still dont like AFC to lose, never wish a loss upon them but im never disappointed when they lose because i dont care enough anymore. Ive been distilled by Wenger and all the humdrum the club has wrought on us this last decade. I also detest total liars and that what AFC as a Club are. Im no longer sure that they actually deserve to succeed. The positive spin on things for me that i m thankful to Wenger and AFC. Theyve removed my football blinkers. In fact if football was all about what AFC are and what AW preaches i d give it up totally. We should be grateful for other Clubs efforts in my view. Do i like being distilled down to whee and how i used to be about the Gunners? Part of me says a resounding no. I know that ill never be a partizan Gunner though. PS Bellerin seems a smashing kid. Hes going to be a great. Love seeing him too as he stands out like a beacon. He is though in my view on borrowed time at Arsenal. He ll see much better in his career fitness permitting. Somethings brewing at Arsenal too. I think change is a comin. The saucepans still on the hob there, the ovens on to a low gas mark but everything's just on simmer! You lads like you Bard who keep renewing yr Gold or yr Silver, keep doing it. You ll reap the benefits soon enough im sure. Its not for me though. My stint from 1967 is done. Im gratful to AFC for all of the good times, the bad and the indifferent, but we were never like we are today this last 10 yrs when i was a match goer 'at my peak' im pleased to say. I had the best years and im grateful for that. The days of Joe Baker, Geoff Strong, Willow, Raddie, Big Ray, Charlie and Geordie are never ever going to be recreated there. Im sure of that much.

  34. Know Man

    Sep 14, 2016, 17:41 #93078

    Was Ozil playing? Another match where our hailed best player didn't turn up, but no, let's blame everyone else. It's never Ozil's fault. Fanboys.

  35. GoonerBri

    Sep 14, 2016, 16:45 #93077

    I thought there'd be more comments on here regarding Mustafi's defending - he was sh1te. A headless chicken who had no idea where Cavani was for the goal and who wrongly put his hand up for offside on two other occasions when he was caught out. The French press slated him and so did our fans at the game. What a waste of money. I expected better from a German international, mind you we bought the BFG and he was sh1te as well.

  36. Norsgeneral

    Sep 14, 2016, 16:45 #93076

    Last night's team selection confirmed once and for all, that this is now a deliberate ploy by both manager and club to finish the CL group second each year, thus qualifying, banking the money and then being eliminated. Therefore, expectations are smashed and no further money needs to be spent chasing the dream. This is now the third year we have had this. What other reason can there possibly be, for not playing your strongest side in your most difficult game of the group?

  37. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Sep 14, 2016, 16:42 #93075

    Tony Evans- I'm in exactly the same boat as you mate, what started for me in 1979 and grew into an all consuming passion has all but been sucked out of me by the last 10 years of b*******. As you say football in general just isn't what it used to be and Arsenal are the club I grew up adoring in name only these days

  38. Mad Monk

    Sep 14, 2016, 16:39 #93074

    Imagine having a team full of international players including European and World cup winners such as Bergkamp Henry Pires Vieira Campbell Cole(yes even him) Gilberto etc with back up Edu Wiltord Kanu Parlour etc how many trophies would you expect to win???? If it wasn't for a Pires Pirouette would we even be talking about invincibility? Nope thought not! Give them players to a tactically astute manager and he gives you at least 2 Champions league cups! Anyone can buy great player's it's more of an art to get them to play as a team. Had enough !!

  39. RC

    Sep 14, 2016, 15:28 #93073

    You could give our manager the entire Barcelona team and he would still make it a struggle to finish in the top 4. The playing staff is not the problem.

  40. Wear Your Colours

    Sep 14, 2016, 15:25 #93072

    They started extremely quickly, playing with a high press and targeted Cazorla and Monreal closing them down rapidly whenever the ball was near them; we were forced onto the back-foot from the outset and struggled to link play up-front with Bellerin being the main outlet going forward; despite winning several corners we didn't create too many efforts at goal and we did well to go into the half-time break only trailing by one goal. In the second period it was different; they looked to play on the counter-attack and we dominated possession in their half of the pitch; we pressed them well and patiently looked to build openings to score the equaliser; to my eyes we always looked like we were going to score so there was no surprise when Alexis fired home the equaliser. Ospina made some crucial saves, in what was a very good personal performance. All in all it was an effective away performance and a good scoreline to start our Champions League campaign. COYG!

  41. GoonerGoal!

    Sep 14, 2016, 14:54 #93071

    Deja Vu... We have all been here before, we have all been here before... I'm so past caring about Arsene FC. WENGER OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  42. Tony Evans

    Sep 14, 2016, 14:04 #93070

    Ron/Bard/MBG - I'm torn between being almost relieved that I finally don't care anymore after all these years, or feeling really sad that it has come to this when Arsenal used to mean so (too) much to me. As said before it's not just clueless Wenger and the wishy / washy Arsenal team he has created (mainly that though), but football in general - especially the awful 'Champions' League. Has the Arsenal spark in me gone out for good I ask myself - time will tell I suppose.

  43. mbg

    Sep 14, 2016, 14:00 #93069

    So we're not allowed to comment unless we've seen or watched the game/games now, the AKB wenerite Apologists will now try anything or go to any lengths to cover up their messiah's failings, they really have nothing left. wenger out.

  44. mbg

    Sep 14, 2016, 13:45 #93068

    Tony Evans, like has been said on here many times if we bought Messi or Ronaldo TOF would play them in defence or leave them on the bench, what a fraud, clueless. Clueless out.

  45. Bard

    Sep 14, 2016, 13:29 #93067

    Tony Evans; I sympathise with the feeling Tony. I still have my season ticket but dont go that often. Im hanging on till the end of the season and he goes. If he stays thats it for me. Will chuck it in and watch on the box. I try to enjoy watching the youngsters, Bellerin and Iwobi. The worrying thing as I see it is that hardly anyone is in any kind of form. The list of players out of form is lengthy, Santi, Ozil Monreal, Cech,Giroud, Walcott,the Ox Sanchez. Is something going on in the club now its supposed to be his last season.

  46. mbg

    Sep 14, 2016, 13:26 #93066

    If he'd have resigned last night after the game he could have stayed there and managed his beloved PSG, i'm sure them having a manager wouldn't be a problem for someone who loves him and wanted him so much and we'd have been well rid, i'd say there would have been some relief/party on the plane/train home when they heard he's not coming back, (a real reason for selfies)not to mention the one's we'd be having now and all over the world. wenger out.

  47. GoonerRon

    Sep 14, 2016, 13:14 #93065

    In the cold light of day it's a really good point. Definitely a concern that we still aren't anywhere near motoring yet - hopefully we can keep picking up positive results until our turbo kicks in.

  48. mbg

    Sep 14, 2016, 13:12 #93064

    Another fortunate draw alright Kev, as good as it gets for us now under this old has been of a manager, a good time to go, resign tonight wenger.

  49. Peter Wain

    Sep 14, 2016, 13:08 #93063

    it is difficult to understand the starting team last night. Never at any moment did it suggest that they could score. If we had played for fiver years Arsenal's starting 11 would not have scored. What is wrong with the Ox. He has been poor all season as total rubbish last night. Cazorla was poor in the first half and the defence was so open. Once again Wenger luck. Sack him now do not wait until the summer.

  50. jeff wright

    Sep 14, 2016, 12:58 #93062

    oops! hands up made a mistake mixed the clot cavani up with another player.As Ron says with those hair-cuts they all look the same! Anyway more importantly we want lee k fc or dear jamie ...Wenger must stay... are they one and the same or just a case of simple minds think alike ... to tell us who they think will win the Prem this season ...come on now don't be chicken..cluck..cluck..cluck

  51. David

    Sep 14, 2016, 12:58 #93061

    "PSG are a second tier Euro team" - which makes Arsenal third tier! Real, Barca and Bayern are tier 1, Atletico, Juve, PSG and Man City are tier 2 as they are teams with serious intent of winning the big prize, if not this season then in years to come. Sadly we are tier 3 like Dortmund, Sevilla and Benfica. Good enough to qualify, but with no realistic chance of winning. Last 8 is as good as it could possibly get, but I expect the usual last 16 exit even if Arsenal top the group and are handed easier opposition.

  52. Ron

    Sep 14, 2016, 12:33 #93060

    Dave - it might have been the mandatory circa 1976 haircut that made Jeff think Mr C is Argentinian in fairness. The North American red Indian brave look still reigns supreme amongst many Argentinians.

  53. Dave in China

    Sep 14, 2016, 12:25 #93059

    Jeff - Cavani let us off big time, but he's Uruguayan not Argentinian

  54. Made Up Stat

    Sep 14, 2016, 12:17 #93058

    Two ordinary teams who will be consigned as also rans in the footnotes of the CL 16-17 season. If PSG had a half decent striker we would have been battered. Also - is it me or do the 5th and 6th officials now do more than Steve Bould?

  55. Ron

    Sep 14, 2016, 12:17 #93057

    Tony - its ever likely poster 98542 is feeling buoyant, he seemingly thinks we won! He at least displays the usual AKB characteristics in believing that i suppose, so hes at least consistent.

  56. Matt

    Sep 14, 2016, 12:12 #93056

    No major issue with the selection, that has been overdocumented. Youre right that we didnt buy Xhaka to sit on the bench, but nor does he need to start every game. This is a long season, and teams are just finding their feet. I do however question the front 3. Who exactly was going to score the goals? All 3 are guilty of giving the ball away far too frequently, and at this level ball retention in the final third is absolutely pivotal. Without it all your attacks break down and leave you exposed to counters, such was infuriatingly the case last night. Adding to that, Iwobi needs to step up his work rate if he is ever to be a permanent fixture in the team. My biggest issue is the issue that has plagued me and us for some time now, and it all revolves around the coaching of the team. What do we work on in training? are we improving either defensively or offensively? do we look like we have any idea what we are doing at either end of the field? It even feels like individually our players have stopped progressing. We have an excellent squad, but the days of 'go out and play with feeedom' are long gone in top level football now.

  57. Charles Charlie Charles

    Sep 14, 2016, 12:06 #93055

    All this talk of a false 9. Think we have adapted the concept to include a false manager! This season could get ugly.

  58. jeff wright

    Sep 14, 2016, 11:37 #93053

    The summer signings look a waste of space and cash desperation buys by a manager with no idea of what he is doing .Awful Sunday pub league defending again in Europe by Keystone Kos and co it was so bad it was laughable .Agree with Ron about the motorcycle courier being no better than Ospina who was aided and abetted by PSG failing to take their chances .Cavani nicked the ball off Ospina who was panicking by diving in when left exposed and the hapless Argie then somehow contrived to miss an open goal He cost Argentina a World Cup win against Germany by a similiar or worse display in the final a well over-rated player - quick and takes up good position but misses too many chances to be rated a great striker.We won't be so lucky against the top teams though with better players .Wenger looks to me like a manager who knows his time is up and that this is his last season.The problem is so do the players and it is showing.All the guff and bluster from the usual suspect of many names but the same persona on here and other AKB's can't hide this and inevitably it will all end in tears for Wengo if he misses out on 4th place .He has no hope in Europe where he has failed consistently to win anything throughout his ( yawn) long long career.

  59. Tony Evans

    Sep 14, 2016, 11:27 #93052

    Epelsarmy - no I don't want us to lose matches. I have flirted with that in my desperation to see Wenger out I must admit, but have never felt comfortable with it. Now I just don't care either way. Supported since 1970 by the way, so I think I have earned the right to say what I think, even if I didn't see the game itself. Wenger out!

  60. Don

    Sep 14, 2016, 11:08 #93051

    The game was all about Cavani.He should have scored 4 maybe 5 goals.We were awful.How is the Ox still getting starts when his form is so poor?Cazorla hasnt got the legs anymore totally over run.As for Ozil he was invisible again in the CL.So far this season with the exception of the 1st half at Watford our performances have been average.Sanchez is a great player but will never be a striker.So once again Wenger gets out of jail but last night we could and should have been battered.Thank you Mr Cavani

  61. Ron

    Sep 14, 2016, 11:04 #93050

    Ospina s at the same level of Cech. Cant see why all these pundits have shock and horror whenever Cech s is dropped. PSG arent that great though i only see highlights of these awful group games. Arsenal made them look better than they are. We do that to all the bigger Clubs as there's no belief anywhere at Arsenal. Roll on the knock outs. At least the CL tedium ends there.

  62. GS

    Sep 14, 2016, 10:39 #93049

    Wenger pre match stating team now full of "men" to now ready for challenge?? Really , what a fraud, so the last 10 yrs "judge me in May" was just an empty boast, as he did not have a team of "men"- the guy is completely clueless, lately he only specializes in spin. So we drew when we should have been hammered out of sight, maybe this season Wenger will get lucky and leave us in a reasonable state , we live in hope....zippy out .

  63. Bard

    Sep 14, 2016, 10:39 #93048

    I think you are too generous Kev. We were abject for much of the game. I dont know about a false 9. It looked to me like we had no one upfront plus the usual defensive chaos. PSG could have thrashed us if they had taken half of their chances. I have no idea what he was thinking about with the line up. Iwobi looked a terrific player and Ospina played well but thats it. As PSG are a second tier Euro team so I think we can safely say this wont be our year.

  64. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Sep 14, 2016, 10:23 #93047

    Once again the starting line up defied belief. Why exactly did he spend 35 million on Xhaka and yet he continues to start with the hapless Coquelin? How bad does the tunnel dancing selfie queen Oxlade have to be to get dropped? Why play your one decent player in Sanchez out of position thus negating his effectiveness? Dropping Cech doesn't concern me because he is so obviously past his best and the chavs knew exactly when to let him go. He reminds me of Seamen in his last season or two when his level dropped and it became all about the ponytail. Not only is wenger a lying clown he is also seriously under achieving. He can no longer have the excuse about the money not being available, for three years the money has been there to purchase the quality centre forward this team so obviously needs yet he has failed miserably to address this. Arsenal is a massive club with financial resources most clubs can only dream of and a hungry, ambitious, tactically astute manager would absolutely thrive here (Simeone please!!). We are once again only in this tournament to make up the numbers and it will ever be thus until the lying £8million a year bungler does the right thing and departs. What a snore fest this 'champions' league really is

  65. Elpelsarmy

    Sep 14, 2016, 10:22 #93046

    Well done Tony, commenting on a game you "couldn't be bothered to watch", Arsenal through and through eh? Bet your the kind of fan who wants us to lose games too? We got lucky last night end of but after watching us for years dominating games and losing its quite refreshing to see us win ugly.

  66. David

    Sep 14, 2016, 9:32 #93044

    I thought Arsenal were doing well to get nil last night, yet somehow contrived a draw. Why has Wenger spent £100 million on reserves? Xhaka, Elneny and Perez appear to be reserves and Mustafi (whose signing was understandable) will probably be dropped when Mertesacker and Gabriel are fit. All well and good spending a bit of money, but it doesn't seem to have improved matters one iota. Where is the top top quality? Giroud is still the only proper striker. Like Walcott, Alexis is not an out and out striker.

  67. Tony Evans

    Sep 14, 2016, 9:20 #93043

    Could not even be bothered to watch the game, although I did raise my eyebrows when I saw the team selection with our £35M midfield new boy left on the bench, and Ospina preferred to Cech! From what I have read we were our usual clueless, shapeless selves but got away with it. As you say, Kevin, a hammering is on the cards if we make it through the group stage.

  68. King Jeremy

    Sep 14, 2016, 8:55 #93042

    Completely the wrong starting line up yet again. The first half an hour was a complete car crash and we should have been 3 if not 4 down. We simply had no answer to PSG movement and crisp, assured passing. Sound familiar? Still, in the end the result is (I suppose) all that really matters and in the context of the group, it's a very good one. What riled me most though was watching a (relatively) young, enthusiastic manager stood in his technical area for most of the game continually giving tactical direction and encouragement to his players. That was Emery. Where was Wenger during this? In his usual position, sat sulking in the dugout, or, occasionally, strutting in the technical area with hands on hips and shaking his head. Despite the summer expenditure, the manager remains the problem.

  69. Andy M

    Sep 14, 2016, 8:47 #93041

    Your take on the game is pretty much the same as mine... Except after the goal, we should have stepped it up... PSG were there for the taking. Our lack of cohesion cost us. But we were lucky that Cavani had washed his feet and couldn't do a thing with them....

  70. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Sep 14, 2016, 8:32 #93040

    Should have been hammered out of sight, but we weren't and blagged a draw. Plenty of teams have done that to us over the years so we'll take that if it comes. Perhaps the team wasn't ready for this game, as it's only been 6 months since the last CL fixture? Just a thought.