A brief history of “The Quote”.

Some of notable words have been expressed by Arsenal figures over the course of the club’s history…



A brief history of “The Quote”.

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"The media are enjoying it, the majority of the media are enjoying it. They're enjoying us getting all this stick because normally nothing comes out of Highbury.”

The above quote, taken from a speech George Graham gave to the Arsenal squad during the 1990/91 title-winning season, is almost as accurate now, 25 years later, as it was then.
Normally nothing came out of Highbury during the Graham years and even in the twitter era nothing much comes out of The Emirates. That says something for the efficiency of the club's media department and its efforts to maintain the uneasy truce between two permanently suspicious interest groups.

Managers and players believe that journalists and editors are often cynical, manipulative and morally vacuous bastards. Journalists and editors often believe that managers and players are equally cynical, manipulative and morally vacuous bastards.
The result is the modern press conference, a deathly pointless ritual in which footballers say nothing at all, because when they do, journalists make them look like arseholes.
A classic example came when Jack Wilshere gave an honest answer to the question of whether or not Manchester United’s Kosovo-born Belgian Adnan Januzaj should be eligible to play for England.

"The only people who should play for England are English people. If you've lived in England for five years, for me, it doesn't make you English. You shouldn't play. It doesn't mean you can play for that country. If I went to Spain and lived there for five years, I'm not going to play for Spain. For me an English player should play for England really."

The idea of the England team picking English players wasn't hugely controversial, but even the supposedly reputable Guardian conjured the headline: “Jack Wilshere enters the Januzaj debate: Keep England for the English.” The assertion that Wilshere had "entered the debate" as opposed to "politely answered a question" was dubious, but it was far less damaging than the subtle inference of racism, with the headline echoing an EDL refrain.
This is just one example of what even the more credible news outlets can do to a player and that's before we take into account entities like the Daily Star and Piers Morgan, both of whom swallowed this quote, which supposedly came from Cesc Fabregas.

"If I ever wear a Chelsea shirt you have permission to kill me."

Fabregas was alleged to have said this on Twitter in February 2010, a quote that was retrospectively used to make him look hypocritical, fickle and shallow. It also conveniently overlooked the fact he didn't join Twitter until seven months after the supposedly incriminating tweet.
The role of the quote and its twin brother the misquote hasn't really changed since Herbert Chapman managed Arsenal. Now that almost every interview is recorded outright fabrication is rare, but for as long as reporters have been sticking notepads in front of managers, the potential for words to be taken out of context, twisted and used as a weapon of disinformation has remained constant.
When Chapman was quoted saying, "I don't mind what you write about Arsenal as long as you mention them," over 80 years ago, it could have been taken as evidence of an astute media operator.
But according to one of his eventual successors, Tom Whittaker, Chapman never actually said it - or perhaps more accurately, he might have said it but he certainly wouldn't have meant it.

Chapman demanded accuracy and would berate any journalist he felt had "overstepped the bounds of truth".
Like another of his successors Arsene Wenger, Chapman was aware of the cynicism of the press and realised that the only viable strategy for coping with it was to use this cynicism to his advantage whenever possible.
When that didn't work, such as after a spat with the Daily Mail in the 1930s, Chapman could reflect that he preferred being misquoted to being ignored, but it was with the air of resignation of a man who knew he could only win so many battles.

Writing in the early fifties, Whittaker himself felt the British press showed "dignity and fairness" compared to their South American counterparts when he arrived on a tour of Brazil that offered a nightmarish vision of the future of football journalism.
The gentleman Whittaker read that he was supposed to have claimed: "English Football is the best in the world; Arsenal will win every match" and "Brazilian football is third-rate." By the time he'd called a press conference to protest against this deliberate propaganda the damage was irreversible.
In the matches themselves Brazilian radio reporters were so desperate for quotes that they would actually run onto the field of play after a goal and try to get the scorer to say a few words, something even Sky haven't attempted (yet).

The manipulation works both ways however. Managerial press conferences have evolved into sinister, choreographed affairs with "the quote" often a calculated act of bad sportsmanship deliberately designed to unsettle a rival or influence a referee. Apologists refer to this as "Mind Games."
In the build-up to the game that ended Arsenal’s 49-game unbeaten run, “Sir” Alex Ferguson referred to the previous season’s 0-0 draw at Old Trafford in the following terms:
"They got away with murder. What the Arsenal players did was the worst I have witnessed in sport."

This was, demonstrably, bollocks, but coincidentally or not, United were allowed to get away with a game plan of cynicism unrivalled since Brazil’s World Cup quarter-final win over Colombia nearly a decade later, while the United fans sang, “Same Old Arsenal, Always Cheating.”
Ferguson is far from the only manager to have stooped to this tactic, but Wenger (whose reaction to the defeat was inevitably portrayed as churlish and unsportsmanlike) tends to avoid it.
He can sound bitter and resentful in "pressers", particularly after defeats, but as a rule he manages to be consistently entertaining and quotable, even though English is not his native language. He regularly produces brilliant, if somewhat surreal analogies and isn't always rewarded for his candour.

At the start of the 2002-03 season Wenger was asked if his team could go the entire season undefeated.
"It's not impossible as AC Milan once did it but I can't see why it's so shocking to say it. Do you think Manchester United, Liverpool or Chelsea don't dream that as well? They're exactly the same. They just don't say it because they're scared to look ridiculous, but nobody is ridiculous in this job as we know anything can happen."

This was an ambitious statement, but it was tempered with caution that was deliberately ignored by journalists and editors who were intent on making Wenger look like an arsehole - which is precisely how a sizable percentage of their readers want him to look.
A sample headline was "Comical Wenger Says We Can Go The Whole Season Unbeaten" and the lie flew several thousand times round the world before the truth had even started to get its pants on.

The role of "the quote" in football has changed out of all recognition since Graham's era, when it was still common to read match reports without any reported speech. Now the “style books” used by most newspapers and agencies compels the writer to use a quote by the third paragraph, regardless of its banality.
Wenger's least interesting quotes come after an Arsenal victory, when he can be relied on to praise the team's "character" and spirit". When things do go wrong his job is to work with the club’s media department to protect Arsenal’s reputation. As a general rule they do so almost as effectively as Graham's back four once protected David Seaman, but even that backline conceded occasionally. And not even the most effective media department can shut down everything. Take this quote from William Gallas in 2008, in an interview with the Associated Press:

“When, as captain, some players come up to you and talk to you about a player complaining about him and then during the match you speak to this player and the player in question insults us, there comes a time where we can no longer comprehend how this can happen. I am trying to defend myself a bit without giving names. Otherwise I’m taking it all (the blame). It’s very frustrating. I’m 31, the player is six years younger than me.”

The quote was shocking for a number of reasons.
It was an unprecedented attack by an Arsenal captain on his team mates. It shattered the myth of a united dressing room and left fans wondering if Arsenal's players knew they were supposed to be battling the opposition or each other. It rendered Gallas's position untenable and called into question Wenger's judgement in handing him the role in the first place.
Yet what was most surprising was that the story emerged at all, even though the Arsenal side that season contained personalities like Gallas, Adebayor, van Persie and Nasri, all of whom were capable of starting arguments in the proverbial empty room.

Quotes with that power usually only emerge after a player has left the club. Gallas, however, was trying to sell a book and even the worst autobiography, tossed out into a ghost's dictaphone over the course of a few hours, offers something the press conference almost never can, a genuinely reflective insight into the player’s mindset, away from the defensiveness and hostility of a post-match inquisition.
This is why autobiographies are so useful. In some cases, particularly for books that haven't been serialised, they have only been read by a few thousand people and the material seems almost fresh even when it’s several years old.

While researching: "Arsenal: The French Connection," I read dozens of player autobiographies, including Ashley Cole's "My Defence," which I acquired for 3p via Amazon.
Cole's book was mercilessly pilloried when it was released in 2006 and his famous quote about nearly crashing his car when he was "only" offered £55,000 per week has been endlessly recycled ever since, yet the full text itself offered several insights that have never really appeared anywhere else, chiefly the fact that his departure for Chelsea could easily have been avoided.

When it was released, Theo Walcott's "Growing Up Fast" was dismissed on the grounds that Walcott was still barely out of his teens when he or his ghost wrote it, but it is an underrated piece of work which contains a couple of beautifully subtle character assassinations of Robin van Persie and Samir Nasri.

In the course of over 125 years there are plenty of similar gems to be found in amongst the sea of platitudes about "never giving up" and "showing our fighting spirit”. Some are jaw-droppingly brilliant, others hilarious, many are contradictory and just occasionally, like Alex James' words on his death bed, simply heartbreaking.
Five decades before Walcott was born, Cliff Bastin was showing a similarly dry sense of humour while talking about Alex James and Herbert Chapman was offering the press the kind of quotes one can easily imagine Arsene Wenger saying.


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  1. IHA

    Oct 16, 2016, 12:28 #93842

    So pleased to hear that you will be able to love again mbg. I was a bit worried for you there.

  2. mbg

    Oct 15, 2016, 18:50 #93824

    IHA, you obviously don't have a problem with been let down spurned and hurt so many times in your relationship/s maybe your happy with it, even like it, that says more about your vulnerability (and fans like you)than anybody's. So don't worry about others it will be very easy to soften again love again and fall in love again, very easy indeed you can be sure of that, when the right person comes along to revitalise it, someone we can trust, rely on, who tells the truth, and doesn't keep letting us down after been given chance after chance and doesn't always blame others for his misdemeanours of what there has been plenty on various fronts during the relationship. I'd be more worried about the vulnerability of fans like yourself and the sadness your going to feel and how your going to open your heart to love again when your messiah goes, remember there are plenty of support groups out there so don't be doing anything silly. Untrustworthy old fraud out.

  3. jeff wright

    Oct 15, 2016, 14:28 #93818

    IAH , just a load of old pretentious waffle from you sunbeam are you an Agony Aunt in the day job>? In the real world most non-Wengo supporters just wish that Wenger ( yawn) would go and a new younger more energetic manager replaces him - to take advantage of the resources that the old fraud wastes. Come on now surely you can't love a manager who said ghe would be happy to finish SECOND for the next 20 years! Or one who claims that 4th place is a trophy that's beforewe et on to his giving big buck contracts to a number of rather ordinary players. I reckon you are another ,be careful what you wish for AKB .You couldn't make it up.

  4. IHA

    Oct 14, 2016, 22:22 #93814

    Some fans are like spurned lovers. After being hurt so many times, they simply can't summon the courage to hope again, to try to love. They adopt a weary and determined cynicism, and often weave a sumptuous mask in order to hide the inner vulnerability. The sadness is that such a mask can never break, even when the good times return. If you harden your heart to hope and love, it's very difficult to soften it again. Most football campaigns end in failure (even Bayern Munich have won less than 50% of the Bundesliga contests that they have entered). The majority of human relationships fail to result in everlasting love and happiness - does that mean we should just give up? I think that people who put a lot of effort into trolling Arsenal on sites like this, must love Arsenal very deeply, and have been horribly hurt in recent times. Just saying....

  5. mbg

    Oct 14, 2016, 20:40 #93813

    Mad Monk, good post, yes the 49th game, id say there was tremendous mental strength among those players who indeed had it (especially Ashley Cole, who showed it i'll not say why/how as there's JCL wengerites who wouldn't know what i'm talking about and i'm not going to enlighten them) i'd say there were players there who had it in abundance but weren't allowed to show it or bring it to the fore (like George Graham and his boys did before them with/after the 2 points reduction)yes of course there were the sulks who took after wenger and followed suit, but i'd say all the sulking and what happened after it came from and stemmed from TOF wenger himself, and rubbed off on the players who started to feel sorry for themselves too because of him, or weren't allowed to react in any other way and on and on it went. wenger out.

  6. mbg

    Oct 14, 2016, 18:22 #93812

    I see TOF is sticking his big hooter in and giving others advice left right and centre again (it's a damm pity he wouldn't listen to others and take some himself) how dare others try and do the same to him the arrogant old has been, giving the FA advice on Southgate like give him time, what like eleven years ? yeah that would be right, you'll certainly not be given all the time there to fail like you have here you old fraud (apparently they're still interested)or wouldn't have anywhere else either and you know/knew it, and that's why you never had the balls to go, that's if these so called teams were ever after you in the first place. And if you did do us all a favour and pitched up at the FA they'd soon see through you especially the fans, one things for certain you'll not get eleven years. wenger for England.

  7. mbg

    Oct 14, 2016, 17:38 #93811

    Be careful what you wish for, I was wondering when that old wengerite chestnut would be resurrected, LOL.

  8. jeff wright

    Oct 14, 2016, 12:57 #93809

    Regarding T-Shirts with slogans on them ... 4th Place Trophy Winner ! With Wengo's ( yawn) grinning face on the T-Shirt ecstatically celebrating winning the non-existent trophy would be a more appropriate one. On another note I see that the glib ,usually talkative Wall, has gone quiet again after landing back on planet Earth with a bang after all the hysterical talking himself up that he has been doing recently .Never was so much made of so little. Never mind no doubt he and Keystone Kos ,the oaf who cost France their best chance for donkeys years to win a major trophy - the Euro Champs - in their own stadium before their own supporters recently with his dodgy defending - will be trotting out with Wally to face modest Prem opponents at the weekend . So the ludicrous drooling by AKB's over these pair of clowns can continue to amuse us all. You couldnt make it up. If cut off points at some period in AFC managers careers are used to judge who was the greatest Wengo still comes up short .Those 10 long yawn inducing tedious years without winning anything and the record busting defeats we have endured during his watch since leaving Highbury make any claims on his supporters part for him being the greatest laughable .Even Ivan the snake charmer and his fellow suits know this.

  9. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 14, 2016, 12:18 #93808

    Be careful what you wish for - the motto of a coward

  10. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 14, 2016, 8:44 #93807

    Mad Monk - spot on! Fergie also knew he was in a dog fight with Graham who wouldn't be intimidated.

  11. Made Up Stat

    Oct 14, 2016, 7:45 #93806

    WABATTD: Yes, another classic from the Doc. When recounting his playing experiences at the very disciplined Arsenal, think I’m right in saying that he said something like: ‘Arsenal make the Royal Marines Band look like a hippy outing.’ Great stuff.

  12. Mad Monk

    Oct 13, 2016, 22:29 #93805

    When GG took the managers jobs we hadn't won the title in 15 years and only an FA cup in that period. The following 9 years we won 2 titles ( one where we only lost one game without our imprisoned captain and had 2 points deducted) 2 league cups the FA Cup and the Cup Winners Cup (thats a European trophy to the Wenger boy's ) so stop the nonsense slagging him off Untold dicks. Yes there was some bad day's, Wrexham and Gus Ceasar intimidating a footballer against Luton at Wembley spring to mind but some of the thrashing's we've taken in the last 10 year's are beyond disgraceful not just the scoreline but the manner of them. When we lost the 49th game ( by criminal act's from the Neville bros and Rooney diving I must add) where was the so called mental spirit and toughness that Wenger spouts on about? Henry spat his dummy out along with Pires and sulked for week's. GG would have made them train with the kids for a week or 2 to sort their head's out!

  13. mbg

    Oct 13, 2016, 18:13 #93804

    ArseneKnewBest, or maybe because TOF was incapable of giving any belief or they didn't listen to him and ignored him, is why they had so much belief in the first place.

  14. mbg

    Oct 13, 2016, 17:51 #93803

    So the Rocky banner was actually quoting George Graham, i'm surprised it was allowed up at all then, maybe it's not anymore.

  15. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 13, 2016, 17:50 #93802

    Ok Jamee so your reply is on point rankings. So am I to understand that having a higher point average in any one decade or Managers cycle is more important than titles? Really ? If Wengo is giving a 3 year extension and fails to win a title in that time his title productivity will fall to little over 50% of George Graham. Well at least you answered (accept you didn't) . Now where's that eager Spaniel Leekey and please God move beyond Wenger must stay.

  16. Bonzo

    Oct 13, 2016, 15:32 #93801

    What if Jamerson was one of us? Just a slob like one of us Just a stranger on the bus Trying to make his way home Just trying to make his way home Back up to Heaven all alone Nobody callin' on the phone cept for the Pope maybe in Rome. Yeah, yeah, yeah Dreary song continues.....

  17. Ron

    Oct 13, 2016, 15:18 #93800

    Senility must be creeping in for me as i thought England werent so bad the other night? Slov were very well organised and it was a fight throughout, which of course was why Walcott went missing in inaction! Surprised he lasted an hour. Townsend did more in 2 touches than Walcott had done in his entire time on the field. AFC should seriously look to move him on in the Summer, if not in January. I like Southgate s approach and he does have the players in large part doing it for him. Games at places like that are rarely easy. Whoever coaches England isnt going to change much fundamentally as they are in the main over paid journeymen and average ones at that. Far too much emphasis is given to who the Coach is. Left to me, each Season when the international fixtures are known, i d invite guest Coaches to do it each match for a one off fee. International players really shouldn't need much of a camp for coaching when on international duty. Players are what they are and just need to do as they would for their Clubs with a bit of peripheral advice's from the Coach thrown in for good measure to cater for particular aspects of the opposition. Eng cdt be any the less effective than they've been for 50 yrs for dumbing down the Coach s role and pay slip.

  18. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 13, 2016, 13:12 #93799

    Made Up Stat: Don't forget that other Tommy Doc classic. "The chairman told me he was right behind me. I told him I wanted him in front of me, where I could see him".

  19. jeff wright

    Oct 13, 2016, 13:10 #93798

    Two classics here from Wally and Wengo : I've been consistent in patches this season" - THEO WALCOTT "I haven't seen it, but it looks generous" - ARSENE WENGER .... Jesus wept..you couldnt make it up!

  20. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 13, 2016, 8:56 #93797

    Still waiting for Jamee and the Spaniel Leekey to respond to my stat question. GG 25% title winning average over 8 seasons. Arsenal 1945-1975 - A period where Arsenal fell away significantly from mid 50's to latter part of the 60's. 3 titles 10% average. Arsene Wenger considered best mananager (by some)..... 3 in 20 = 15% return.? It's obvious Wenger is far, far away from being our best manager. Jamee and Leekey please respond.

  21. Made Up Stat

    Oct 13, 2016, 7:29 #93796

    That Merse quote is a classic, but for me, you can’t beat former Arsenal player Tommy Doherty for footy quotes: (about former QPR chairman Jim Gregory): "When you shook hands with him, you counted your fingers." (About Jimmy Hill): "He was probably one of the worst players I’ve ever seen. He once said to me: ‘I’m good in the air.’ I replied: ‘So was Douglas Bader.’ "I’ve seen some players recently who could trap a ball further than I could kick it. When they pass it, they should attach this message: ‘To whom it may concern!’ And they’re getting 50 grand a week and upwards." (On football in general) ‘It’s a rat race – and the rats are winning.’ Also one my favourites is Paul Gascoigne with: "I never predict anything and I never will do."

  22. mbg

    Oct 12, 2016, 22:48 #93794

    Tony Evans, jj, yes the stable door has been closed on that one again (until the next half decent game he has) could we have a quote on that from his AKB fan boys.

  23. Arseneknewbest

    Oct 12, 2016, 18:42 #93793

    Merson on Wengo (before the former saw the light...) "The manager has given us unbelievable belief".

  24. jjetplane

    Oct 12, 2016, 17:30 #93792

    Stats are the best fun and the one where Wally has stepped out over 40 times for England and completed FOUR games! is worth a book on it's own ....

  25. mbg

    Oct 12, 2016, 16:29 #93791

    The fact that smoking Jack even thought he might, could, or imagined he could play for Spain no matter how long he lived there is the funniest quote/non quote I've ever heard.

  26. mbg

    Oct 12, 2016, 16:17 #93790

    Yes it's very accurate indeed, and/but it's absolutely true today, (and are we surprised ?) because nothing comes out of the Emirates only spin, lies, humiliations, and embarrassments, all because of a egoistic arrogant old embarrassment of a manager.

  27. Bard

    Oct 12, 2016, 16:04 #93789

    A well written article Fred. You describe beautifully the inanity of modern football interviews. I think youre over generous to the Weng. Have you forgotten him turning on the delightful Jaqui Oakley after she had the temerity to go off script and ask him a proper question. He is unfailingly polite as long as no one challenges him. Im not sure the quotes from the players are a response to being taken out of context. If they are anything like the pundits, its because they are largely stupid.

  28. jjetplane

    Oct 12, 2016, 15:38 #93787

    Wally lovers return to your cages! lol! Best quote of the season: 'the guy needs to relax' Roy Keane on Wally. What Keano really said was 'get a football life!' - Ha hahahahah! As good as the above quote that 'you could imagine Arsene (slurp!) saying such things' but as incapable as he is of a good quote for such a footballing genius, so he is with winning big stuff.

  29. Tony Evans

    Oct 12, 2016, 13:56 #93786

    Thankfully most Wengerisms have passed me by, as I always used to zap the sound on the TV whenever he was being interviewed. Now I don't even bother turning the tv on in the first place! Sound decision made last night not to bother watching England. It would appear though that the Walcott mini bubble has burst yet again judging by some of the reports of the game I read this morning. Queue the annual Walcott injury now I guess, and it's business as usual on that front.

  30. Not setting foot in the place again till he's gone

    Oct 12, 2016, 13:19 #93785

    "We have £69m in cash, so we have money available. Arsene has got sufficient funds for any signing he wishes to make"- Keith Edelman, August 2008.

  31. GS

    Oct 12, 2016, 13:08 #93784

    I wonder if " Judge me in May" is in the book ??

  32. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 12, 2016, 12:19 #93783

    Most after-match reports now are just the quotes, with the match report tailored to fit around them. One of my all-time favourites from 1983: Ian Greaves first match in charge of Mansfield; lost 1-4. When asked what he thought about the game, replied "the meat pies were good." 2nd all time favourite, the late Bill Dodgin (ex AFC of course) Brentford manager, 2nd leg of League Cup game vs Liverpool, having lost the first leg 4-1 at home. Reporter: How will you approach the game? Reply: "By coach".

  33. Ralph

    Oct 12, 2016, 10:45 #93782

    The 'Remember who you are...' quote is by Bertie Mee.