Another Home North London Derby, Another 1-1

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Another Home North London Derby, Another 1-1


Premier League, 27th September 2014 – Arsenal 1 Tottenham 1
Premier League, 8th November 2015 – Arsenal 1 Tottenham 1
Premier League, 6th November 2016 - Arsenal 1 Tottenham 1

Anyone see a pattern developing, and one not as pleasing as a couple of years of 5-2 victories for the Gunners? North London Derbies have become tight affairs once again, and Mario Pochettino may well be part of the reason for this. Yesterday, he set his team up in a 3-4-1-2 formation, with a nod to the recent success of Chelsea. Antonio Conte’s team, though, are winning matches. Spurs – undefeated in the league so far this season – are drawing more than they are winning.

So far this season it’s been a very close title race, with a small spread of points separating the teams at the top. We wait to see if anyone is going to put together an extended run of wins, and currently, Liverpool and Chelsea are the form horses. Arsenal would have gone top of the table if they had beaten Spurs, but at the moment, there is a lot of jostling going on. Two points out of six from the last two home games is cause for concern, but we won’t know whether or not the dropped points yesterday will have any significance for several months.

What can be said is that Spurs largely blunted Arsenal’s attack by utilizing a third central defender. It’s ironic that Chelsea introduced this tactic after they were 3-0 down to the Gunners and have stuck with it ever since. Against Tottenham, there were a couple of clear cut chances – for Iwobi, Theo and later on Giroud, but other than that the home side were smothered. Walcott’s smack against the post came shortly before the Arsenal goal, scored by Spurs’ Wimmer, although credit must go to Mesut Ozil for the quality of his free kick. Tottenham had chances too – and to these eyes, a draw was a fair result. The penalty awarded to the visitors initially looked dubious, but television replays showed that it was correctly awarded. Koscielny missed the ball and hit Dembele’s boot.

There is growing evidence that without Cazorla in central midfield, the degree of creativity is not the same. It’s a strange one, because when Cazorla does play, you do not always notice his contribution. All we can be sure of is that better attacking moves with greater incision seem to result from his inclusion. His absence certainly hurt the team last season.

Not too many North London Derbies are actually enjoyable. Unless a clear and unassailable lead is established during the game, it’s generally 90 minutes of pure tension. One can enjoy them after the fact, if the fact is a victory or a satisfactory draw. As the home side, the Gunners cannot really be satisfied with a point in any match.

The atmosphere was fairly lively, especially given the 12 noon start. There is a belief Arsenal never play well when they have to kick off before 1pm. I know they have had some notoriously bad games in the lunchtime slot, but I am uncertain if this is the fact they are often playing top opposition at these times. Someone might be able to ascertain the truth of this.

One thing Pochettino has unquestionably drilled into his players is the tactical and cynical eating of the clock, when breaks are needed to prevent the opposition building any sense of momentum. They utilized this tactic a number of times in the second half, and at the end, I suspect they were happy enough with the draw. The best chances to win it near the conclusion of the game fell to them, when a free kick hit the post with Cech nowhere, and soon afterwards when the keeper almost gifted a goal with a dramatic slip up as he came out of his area to clear the ball. It would have taken years to live that one down. It wasn’t that long ago that Spurs fans were still chanting ‘Nayim from the halfway line’ in celebration of a goal not even scored by them against the Gunners.

There was a little bit of fire in the belly, even from Theo Walcott when he took objection to what I imagine was a high elbow, and of course Francis Coquelin was combative. Granit Xhaka did not lose his cool as widely predicted and did not even pick up a yellow card for his trouble. He should have flung himself at the ball when he had the chance of a clean header from just outside the six yard box.

Now we have the third international break of the season. I suspect it will do more to disrupt the rhythm of Chelsea and Liverpool than others, but that might be wishful thinking. The trip to Old Trafford awaits Arsenal when the players return, and it can only be hoped that the non-performance of last season is not repeated. Wenger claims he has a more mature and better equipped squad than for many years. And yet, "We were too nervous" yesterday. Go figure. Let’s see how the mental strength and team spirit look against Arsene’s old nemesis Jose Mourinho.

As for Spurs, the mind wandered back to the days when, for whatever reason, the North London derby seemed more intense, more meaningful. When Arsenal had Ian Wright on the pitch, or Tony Adams, when it seemed to matter to the players a bit more. Like many things in football, it feels like those days have gone. Perhaps I am just getting old. Niggly, although far from dirty as they used to be. Aside from Theo’s near contretemps, and one or two challenges, there was a little to really raise the crowd in terms of passion. Things ain’t they used to be. Overall it was a bitty kind of game, where neither side enjoyed any extended period of effective possession. Typical derby in certain respects, but lacking something as well.

One final word – there was a healthy police presence on the streets around the stadium before and after the game as well as the away fans being channelled away from the area between Arsenal tube station and the North Bank Bridge where trouble has flared more than once in recent seasons. Thank goodness that finally, we are getting some decent policing for this fixture. Let’s hope for equally strong measures to keep fans apart for the return game at the end of April. How significant that match will become remains to be seen.

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  1. Ron

    Nov 10, 2016, 13:12 #94639

    GS - Yr right mate. Everton away precedes the Man C away game doesn't it, not Man U. I think my point still stands though regarding us getting much from the Etihad, which naffs me off a bit as im going to that game!! I ll live in hope that a journey there proves fruitful though.

  2. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 10, 2016, 13:03 #94638

    Jamee - why is anti football as you put it so much more powerful than football? It must be following your logic as we were routinely whipped by Fergie, Mourinho and to some extent fat Sam. Therefore our football must be inherently flawed. Do you see where your waffle is taking you .

  3. chris dee

    Nov 10, 2016, 10:26 #94632

    Mourinho urging his players to be more aggressive. I wonder which team United are playing next? Perfect, The Arsenal,no defensive organisation,only one way of playing,guaranteed to lose 50/50's challenges, and as we have seen against Middlesborough and Spurs can't take any pressure. Where's George Graham when you need him?

  4. GS

    Nov 10, 2016, 10:02 #94631

    Jamerson - dogs worthless?? try telling that to the person saved by a rescue dog after an earthquake, or the sniffer dog who detects explosives . You really are a 24 carat plonker . No one is interested in your religious ramblings ( only you ) either you post about football or clear off , you must lead a very sad life if your posts are anything to go by....and please don't reply to this post , as I am not bothered what you think .

  5. GS

    Nov 10, 2016, 8:09 #94630

    Jamerson , go away - Ron , no Everton game before OT.

  6. Made Up Stat

    Nov 10, 2016, 7:43 #94629

    For all of you who want to go on and on about bloody footy, please go to a dedicated football site. Thank you.

  7. A mere walking hillock

    Nov 09, 2016, 23:10 #94628

    jamerson. if you would quote the holy scriptures, you would do well to demonstrate more humility and lowliness of spirit. "What is your servant, that you should look upon such a dead dog as I am?" —2 Samuel 9:8. If Mephibosheth was thus humbled by David's kindness, what shall we be in the presence of our gracious Lord? The more grace we have, the less we shall think of ourselves, for grace, like light, reveals our impurity. Eminent saints have scarcely known to what to compare themselves, their sense of unworthiness has been so clear and keen. "I am," "a dry and withered branch, a piece of dead carcass, dry bones, and not able to step over a straw." The meanest objects in nature appear to the humbled mind to have a preference above itself, because they have never contracted sin: a dog may be greedy, fierce, or filthy, but it has no conscience to violate, no Holy Spirit to resist. A dog may be a worthless animal, and yet by a little kindness it is soon won to love its master, and is faithful unto death; but we forget the goodness of the Lord, and follow not at His call. The term "dead dog" is the most expressive of all terms of contempt, but it is none too strong to express the self-abhorrence of instructed believers. They do not affect mock modesty, they mean what they say, they have weighed themselves in the balances of the sanctuary, and found out the vanity of their nature. At best, we are but clay, animated dust, mere walking hillocks; but viewed as sinners, we are monsters indeed. Let it be published in heaven as a wonder, that the Lord Jesus should set His heart's love upon such as we are. Dust and ashes though we be, we must and will "magnify the exceeding greatness of His grace." Could not His heart find rest in heaven? Must He needs come to these tents of Kedar for a spouse, and choose a bride upon whom the sun had looked? O heavens and earth, break forth into a song, and give all glory to our Lord Jesus.

  8. Ron

    Nov 09, 2016, 22:39 #94627

    Bellerins contract just means the higher price for the buyer to pay once he goes so to buy out his contract. The lads not daft. Hes been playing his heart out for a move to a top Club for the last 12 mths. Hes Barca/RM bound i wd think. he ll give Arsenal this Season and next im guessing. We play Everton at Goodison Park on the Tues before OT Jeff. Always hard to get a result there though Evtn are looking like theyve held on to a few too many old lags for a season or so too long. They ll be too 'tired' and 'physically short' to put a perf in at OT. Playing 2 twice in 5 days is enough to kill horses and for the pittance they earn ......well...!

  9. Bonzo

    Nov 09, 2016, 21:06 #94626

    Jamee - So you're a man of the Fens are you? That's odd because previously you've mentioned your childhood in Hampshire. I expect during your recent conversion to gentleman farmer you've had your arm up more farm animals than I've had hot diners.

  10. Bonzo

    Nov 09, 2016, 20:51 #94625

    Face it Jamee if you're a teenage lad who are you going to most attracted to. Klopps rock and roll high tempo heroic football or old wrinkly voyeaur? Wengo is well past his sell by date. Jesus he's even older than old racist Colesey. Talking about racists are you still retiring in 2017?

  11. Paul Ward

    Nov 09, 2016, 17:56 #94624

    Could be a bit premature writing the whole season off already , another defeat at Old Trafford however and the writing will be clearly on the wall. The Santi n Sanchez injuries point to another November struggle, looking at the December fixtures it could be hard for us to stay in contention into the new year . We really need 3 points on Saturday week.

  12. jeff wright

    Nov 09, 2016, 16:30 #94623

    Hi Bard, it looks to me like Bellerin is playing a waiting game until someone with more ambition comes in for him. Perhaps at this point in time a guaranteed starting place is not there at the numero one clubs that are actually trying to win trophies .Money can be earned anywhere these days in football but having had his wages raised with us one would expect that a new club would offer him even more plus that X-factor of being in the mix for top trophies - instead of just pointless Hollywood style crowd pleasing wins over the likes of Ludo .Top clubs want see hat-tricks scored by their players against other top ones . All of these selfies that are put out by our players grinning inanely and making silly hand gestures,they obviously watch too many pop videos, after winning games against ordinary oppo does show just how lacking in ambition they are. It's no great surprize either that they freeze in pressure games .After all this has been going on for donkeys years under Wengo ( yawn) and obviously is down to his lack of being able to motivate our players when there is pressure on to win the game and lay down markers. Once is bad luck,twice a coincidence but time after time is a pattern. Anyway ,let's see see how Wengo gets on against his nemesis Jose away at OT . Tbh I'm not hopeful I can already hear the sound of knees knocking and hear Wengo's post-match excuses about the Internationals having caused a lack of sharpness .You couldn't make it up.

  13. mbg

    Nov 09, 2016, 16:20 #94622

    So smoking Jack has completed his third 90 minutes injury free, coincidence or what ? that he's away from TOF's regime and methods ? with a manager who knows what he's doing with proper ones, if he were to arrive back to the school of nice boys and soft knocks tomorrow what's the betting he'd be injured in TOF's first training session.

  14. Bard

    Nov 09, 2016, 15:59 #94621

    Jeff; dead right about Bellerin. Why would you stay at Arsenal if Barca or another big club came in. It would show a shocking lack of ambition to stay rather than compete at the highest level. As you say signing a new contract doesnt make any difference. If either Sanchez or Ozil leaves I suspect he will be on his bike pretty smartish.

  15. jeff wright

    Nov 09, 2016, 15:40 #94620

    mbg, Arteta the past it always injured Spaniard, was Wengo's, Barry .The old fraud wasted millions in wages that could have been put to better use by keeping him in the comfort zone that he, along with other Wengo favs, live in. Wengo( yawn) stupidly believed , down to his well known lack of any self awareness , that Arteta was showing loyalty to him, when in fact it was on Arteta's part just self interest that was involved. Arteta could not get away to join the ambitious Pep quick enough when the chance arrived. Bellerin, or Bellend if you like, on the other hand seems happy being with Wengo. I suspect though that in reality it's all about waiting for the right time to move to a more ambitious club for him .Contracts these days mean very little anyway when push comes to shove. A top 4 finish for Wengo (yawn) could well see us stuck with the Puffa Jacket zip fiddling fool for another 3 years ! You couldn't make it up

  16. mbg

    Nov 09, 2016, 14:32 #94619

    I bet TOF wishes he had 11 Gareth Barrys, 25,000 touches to his name, weng would/still would just love him a tippy tappers dream.

  17. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 09, 2016, 8:19 #94617

    Thankfully, we'll have seen the last of Jamee for four years. Surely he can't have time to run the world's only remaining superpower AND post so much kack under so many guises on here. Winter in America. Springtime in Suffolk. The fatherly failure from the fens.

  18. Bonzo

    Nov 09, 2016, 6:03 #94616

    Jamee fancies Sturgie , Jamie fancies Sturgie, is it her wee ginger hair that's got you all hot and bothered my fat little fen friend.

  19. Wrinkly Voyeur

    Nov 09, 2016, 0:44 #94615

    well....errrrr.....overall jamerson...errrrr......do you still leetle beet belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve? pfffmwwaahahahahahahahaha

  20. Billy-Bob

    Nov 08, 2016, 22:20 #94614

    Howdy pardner. My cousin Jamee sure is a God fearing son of a gun. Build a goddamn wall , build the wall. Yee haw!

  21. mbg

    Nov 08, 2016, 20:56 #94613

    You just imagine this team taking the field against a top four five club needing a win to win the prem, the chavs or city, with them in the same position, (with all the build up from Sky and the press) you'd hear and see their knees knocking on the TV, you'd see them shaking from the top stand, TOF would be rocking back and forth on the bench like old mose in the John Wayne movie the searchers and acting that way too, they'd internally combust with the pressure, and a CL final ? ( I know I know stop laughing) they'd find bits of the players hanging all over the nou camp TOF's seat would just be a lump of goo, with messi and co laughing their heads off.

  22. mbg

    Nov 08, 2016, 17:57 #94612

    chris dee, yes it would, it would be nice to knock man yoo down further, but we said the same about the spuds, and like I said earlier in another reply it'll not make any difference anyway even if we do, we have a bunch of nice boy bottlers with the biggest bottler of them all managing them. wenger out

  23. GS

    Nov 08, 2016, 17:55 #94611

    Ron, ArseneKnew : At last, something the spuds are better at than us - Going through managers - THFC, always in our shadow.....Bad season for Afc, not winning PL, bad season for spuds being out of top 6, says it all really.

  24. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 08, 2016, 17:45 #94610

    Ron - Just did a quick bit of research and saw that the totterers have had 27 (yes, twenty seven) managers - albeit including caretakers - since a certain mr nicholson was in charge. Paradoxically, I guess we're equally unhappy in the gooner fraternity to have had (only) one since we last won a title. That cliche about footie being a funny old game could apply perhaps.

  25. Ron

    Nov 08, 2016, 16:06 #94609

    Arseneknows... to be honest i reckon Spurs might go through another 15 Coaches before they win another title. Agree though, i think Poch will soon be seeking a Club upgrade, Hes a good bloke. Top Italian or Sp Club will snap him up soon enough.

  26. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 08, 2016, 15:31 #94608

    Bard - Don't give that twazzer jamee a scintilla of recognition. GG actually did the harder thing and won the double as a player (as you know, but about which jamee will be clueless in his role as asano agent provocateur and sycophantic cheerleader). Jamee has only supported the club since he stopped being an ardent follower of nagoya grampus eight in the mid 90s. Even then, he was winding up their fanbase with his cloying ar*elicking messages about arsene-san and the way that he had revolutionised footie in the land of the rising sun, indeed throughout the continent of asia. He is sunk to the tonsils in admiration for the former football manager. Finsbury: "resurgent" - really? Call them that when they replicate or exceed 1961. Otherwise you sound like a silly cockerel jockey. 55 years of pain isn't going to be alleviated this season either, and by the time that the 56th year of agony comes along, I fear you'll be pochettino-less to boot.

  27. Ron

    Nov 08, 2016, 12:24 #94607

    Bard - agree with you. im looking through a shorter term in saying the PL has gone downhill in the last 7 yrs. I think its best period since 92 was 97 - 2001 to be more specific. Its declined in its quality since then i feel, but took a sharp downwards turn in or about 2009. The defending now is truly comical. The game passes me by now to be honest. You ll recall the time when pens were a shock and exciting to get or even have awarded against yr team, such was their rarity. Now, its a pen per match nearly and 99% of them are either dubious or just downright wrongly awarded. To call it basketball is being kind. It s more sanitised than even that.

  28. Bonzo

    Nov 08, 2016, 12:22 #94606

    The Colney Crèche!; IHA - "please Jamee can I be your friend Jamee everyone picks on you". Jamee - "No go away, I don't like you and want to be on my own!" IHA - "please, please Jamee, all my friends have read your stories, Bonzo is a very bad person". Jamee - "Didn't you hear me go away I want to play with Leekey, Brian and Amos instead!"

  29. Bonzo

    Nov 08, 2016, 12:05 #94605

    Jamee - this is urgent! How on earth can Leekey bash out "Wenger must Stay" when you've wedged a pool ball in his mouth and shackled him to the bed.

  30. GS

    Nov 08, 2016, 12:00 #94604

    Fins J WUM: Ha - Ha , "resurgence of Spurs".... when did the spuds ever surge to begin with . Comedy Gold, anymore where that came from.

  31. GS

    Nov 08, 2016, 11:32 #94603

    Finsbury Joe WUM : Don't need to read anyone's review, I/we know our team ...As for the Spuds , always in our Shadow. Now repeat after me, "You won the league in Black & White, You won the league in Black & White, you won the league in the 60's ", come back to me when the spuds have won a few doubles & PL, or maybe just finish above us ....so for now, thank you and goodbye.

  32. Finsbury Joe

    Nov 08, 2016, 11:06 #94602

    Have to admit, Arsenal were extremely fortunate in how the game went, and benefitted from a lenient referee. Wengers team certainly do not look like champions, though for the manager, owner and AKBs, 4th place is clearly the real deal. I recommend you read the words of the great Myles Palmer over on Arsenal News Review, he sums up Arsenal, and the resurgence of Spurs much better than I ever could. He says 3 more years of Wenger , he is rarely wrong

  33. Bard

    Nov 08, 2016, 9:53 #94601

    Point taken Jamerson but my post wasnt about the manager/s or a dig at Wenger more the quality of the football teams.

  34. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Nov 08, 2016, 9:19 #94600

    Bard - agree with you. The standard of football being dished up now is on a par with the early-to-mid-80's - which was dire. Can't remember too much of 70's football (not old enough LOL) but from highlights shown now it looks very kick and rush 100 mph on awful pitches. As opposed to now with kick and rush 100mph on bowling greens. "the more things change, the more they stay the same" as some French bloke once said, perhaps in Strasbourg.

  35. chris dee

    Nov 08, 2016, 9:00 #94599

    Another game in which we could have gone top of the League,but just like the Middlesborough match we performed our tried and trusted choking-in big -matches routine.We have perfected this game plan over the last ten years and we show no signs of losing this ability. Still Arsenal could make a huge statement of intent by beating Wenger hating Jose Mourinho's United.Having never beaten a Mourinho team it would give everyone,the players ,the fans a huge lift.But can anyone, hand on heart,see us battling,fighting, matching physical challenges with our own aggression in the match.Or are we once again to see Mourinho outhinking Wenger and his players overpowering our delicate precious superstars? George Graham where are you?

  36. Bard

    Nov 08, 2016, 8:37 #94598

    Ron youre being generous. The league is as poor as Ive seen in 40+ years of watching football. As Chris Waddle memorably put it, its more like basketball. The fact that many see us still as contenders speaks volumes as to how poor the rest are. GGs double side would have trounced the current mob. Conte looks to have something going at Chelsea and Pep will do something at City but thats it as far as Im concerned.

  37. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 08, 2016, 8:35 #94597

    Mark from A - I wonder if you're being over-generous by suggesting that Jamee tries to mean anything when he writes on here? His arch defender, IHA, having blown in and out straight out again, makes me wonder if all that caring-sharing baloney was really Jamee's own carer just seeking some light relief. After all, it can't be fun cleaning Jamee's bed-pan every morning and fishing out all of those bulky semi-lubricated household (caravanhold?) items.

  38. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 08, 2016, 7:13 #94596

    Jamerson - you mean the consistency of not winning titles?

  39. GS

    Nov 08, 2016, 7:08 #94595

    GoonerRon: I accept we improved after Liverpool , but looking closer , we got lucky v burnley, Southampton, Swansea & boro . It's just that looking at the team now it has that groundhog feeling once again. With Chelsea & Liverpool not playing in Europe , there is no room to drop points at home and as we have dropped a few already it looks like a tough season ahead, it' can be easy to roll over Lodu & Sunderland , but somehow not produce on a more consistent level.

  40. anthony walters

    Nov 08, 2016, 6:56 #94594

    i can't help thinking that letting the hard working joel campbell go out on loan is a mistake he gives far better defensive cover on the flank than others and our wide men sunday struggled .anyway still well placed and no team won who played champions league last week .

  41. mbg

    Nov 08, 2016, 1:55 #94593

    Mark, that means absolutely nothing mate when you have an old out of date arrogant manager like wenger, wally has been playing for his future now for the last four five seasons along with others, it'll be the same with the ox, wenger will preserver no matter how useless they are or become under him, history tells us that just look at all the others he was to arrogant to give up on or sell, hanging on and on hoping one day they'd come good the list is endless, wenger will not/never admit when he's wrong over a player unless he absolutely has to, look at diaby his ego won't allow him to, he'll persevere and persevere, the ox and others like him will be here as long as he is.

  42. mbg

    Nov 08, 2016, 1:20 #94592

    We're back to where we belong now after our big push to lay down (we certainly did that)a marker for everybody else, I bet they're all terrified (TOF should have signed Will Grigg)although quite a few would say we're more like a 5,6, position team and who could argue, with some of the second third raters and carthorses we have, AKB's wengerites get used to this position, you can start celebrating now if you like.

  43. GoonerRon

    Nov 07, 2016, 23:31 #94590

    @ GS - fair play giving Conte credit. Playing devils advocate, since we lost to Liverpool with a calamitous defensive period in the game we have won 12, are unbeaten in 16 and have 8 clean sheets.

  44. Paul Ward

    Nov 07, 2016, 21:01 #94589

    Ron, think Chelsea and Scousers have a significant advantage with no European football on their agenda, City meanwhile seem to possess the best forward line. We probably possess the deepest squad strength , and I'm hoping that we can somehow outlast the competition and nick it on a relatively low points total, don't really believe it will happen I'm afraid though come on you reds

  45. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Nov 07, 2016, 20:56 #94588

    mbg- you have brilliantly summed up the north London derby in its modern, sanitised, watered down state. Not a patch on what it used to be, but then football just isn't the game it once was, sadly. Ron- totally agree about the poor standard of the league though looking back I would say it's been this way even longer than 6-7 years. And the media love-in with klopp and Liverpool is absolutely nauseating, on a par with Sky banging one out over man ure continually for the last 20 odd years!

  46. Mark

    Nov 07, 2016, 20:47 #94587

    How bad was the Ox when he came on? This is a guy who is playing for his future.Yesterday when he came on it was painful.Walcott mark 2

  47. Ron

    Nov 07, 2016, 20:41 #94586

    Hi Paul - it s been a poor league for some 6 or 7 yrs in my view. However, i reckon that MC and Chelsea are a few furlongs out of the sight lines of Spurs and Arsenal. Both have several players who can can change games and make a mark when push comes to shove. Arsenal have one, arguably two, given a fair wind and the right opponent, Spurs really have none. Liverpool have one, despite the love in for them right now.

  48. mbg

    Nov 07, 2016, 20:07 #94585

    Danny, yes did you ever hear anything fooking like it ? jesus h, pure fooking spin and a damm blatant lie too, (another sackable offence) and TOF actually expects fans to believe him (of course the usual will) who does he think we are ? what a p***k, TOF has never learnt from a mistake or his mistakes in his life or he never will. Go now old man.

  49. CORNISH GOONER

    Nov 07, 2016, 19:50 #94584

    Thought Wengo looked very grey, very tired & VERY OLD yesterday. Also the slobbery lower lip is back - not a good look. Only positive was a very competent performance with his zipper. Can he really cut the mustard any more? How many more £8 millions plus can he need? Too many young bucks, supercharged managers here now for him to realistically compete. The players "nervous"? Oh for god's sake! Even Mourinho looks a man past his time at what, 54? It's the manager stupid!! In general terms Americkan Korporations do not make good owners of winning football teams - it's usually a case of winning "in spite of".

  50. mbg

    Nov 07, 2016, 19:43 #94583

    The days when the NLD's were intense and passionate are long long gone alright Ed, yes it's because of pansy nice boy light weight players more interested in looking and smelling good on the pitch signed by an old out of date manager because that's the type he wants, and coached in such a way, and who have no passion for the club, shirt, or fans alike and don't give a fook no matter what shyte they come out with during interviews, I have more respect for the GG's TA's FM NW LD RP IW PD MK DOL LB DR PV(now there's a team of battlers with passion and you can go back a lot further than that)than I will ever have for these bunch of bottlers who don't want to know. And the majority of the fans now are the same, JCL's who wouldn't know or never heard of those players i've mentioned, fans who know nobody only an old fraud of a manager and his tippy tappy ways with his nice boys, with no passion for the club either (due to TOF of a manager to be fair) just another day out to them, and don't care win, lose or draw. wenger out.

  51. TopGooner

    Nov 07, 2016, 18:53 #94581

    Where was Özil yesterday, or does he show up only against Ludogorets and Sunderland? The 'atmosphere' was a joke yesterday. No wonder all other fans laugh at us and call us deluded, fairweather library boys. We are a joke. We are pathetic, and to think, all our deluded fans think we're going to win the Quadruple.

  52. GS

    Nov 07, 2016, 17:38 #94580

    Sad for me to say, but credit Conti, we beat them , he saw a problem and sorted it, hence his team are now unbeaten in 5 without conceding a goal.......Food for thought Wenger. See a problem, Fix it.

  53. Paul Ward

    Nov 07, 2016, 17:23 #94579

    Ron , the two teams have to date lost one game between them, and yet neither can win the league? Neither side is all that special I agree, but nor are any of the others.It just isn't a very good league, full stop.

  54. Ron

    Nov 07, 2016, 17:11 #94578

    I forecast 3-1 Arsenal but instead Arsenal came up to proof as per the norm and played without courage or drive and were poorl. Spurs lack belief v Arsenal as ever but Arsenal didnt seriously think that could beat Spurs. It was clear both tactically and by their body language. Tight game. A draw was fair. Two teams without a hope in hell of winning the title.

  55. CT Gooner

    Nov 07, 2016, 17:01 #94577

    I guess I have a different take on it than Kevin. I thought this was an opportunity for us to show how we've grown as a team and outplay Spurs to a solid home win. But no, we get out played at home by our hated rival, who in all honesty must be kicking themselves for not putting us to the sword. Pochetino is a great football coach, getting the most from his team. It's not a new striker we need, it's a coach who expects more from his squad than what was on offer yesterday.

  56. mbg

    Nov 07, 2016, 16:54 #94576

    Redshirts, spot on, and then the little lovely smelling bully boys will steamroll the mighty bournmouth and we'll have brushed ourselves down (yet again) and we'll be up and running (yet again) and it'll be on yet again. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  57. John Gage

    Nov 07, 2016, 16:37 #94575

    I have very low expectations for Arsenal in November. I would be satisfied with a draw with Man Utd, and victory over Bournemouth and Southampton. 8 points is the best I'm expecting.

  58. mbg

    Nov 07, 2016, 16:36 #94574

    Another boring draw when once again this great team in supposedly in form were meant to lay down a marker for others (how many times have we heard that before) and of course as usual it was lapped up and believed by the sheep if that was our marker god help us, just like all the rest yet another false dawn but nobody ever wakes up. wenger out now.

  59. Paul Ward

    Nov 07, 2016, 16:13 #94573

    Ozil did make our goal and was instrumental in the best move of the match , which resulted in Iwobis tame finish. Overall a dissapointing display, but at least we are not losing when playing poorly which can be a good sign. An early kick off again at old Trafford, Mourinho in the opposition dug out, does not augur well to be honest, and the home form is a concern and has been for a couple of years now if you look at the results.Hopefully Santi will return for Man Utd and I'd be tempted to replace iwobi with Rambo.

  60. jeff wright

    Nov 07, 2016, 15:45 #94572

    Ozil was a waste of 42m .Plus multi-million more in wages . Wengo would have done better adding another 8m more instead of offering 42m and one Pound for Suarez who at the time wanted to join us .That 42m was spent by Wengo ( yawn) on a panic buy for Ozil .Real Madrid are still laughing about it.

  61. Know Man

    Nov 07, 2016, 15:35 #94571

    Ozil is nowhere near DB10. Another match where he went missing. Kevin states we lack creativity when Santi is missing, surely Ozil should be our creative force? No, Ozil can only play well when the stars are all aligned & the opposition are mediocre and when he can be bothered. Which is rare! If I had a choice, I'd choose Alexis over him every day of the week. Most of our fans prefer Ozil. How bizarre. Watch Courtinhio, Hazard, Lmalla, Silva, these players consistently effect matches. Bergkamp was class. Finally, why can't Ozil strike a ball hard & true, always scuffs his efforts.

  62. Highbury Boy

    Nov 07, 2016, 14:49 #94570

    Felt sorry for Sanchez who worked his socks off and created chances for others who missed. Deserves a big fat new contract and with Welbeck and Perez due back by January I would sell the non improving Ox for as much as possible before his contract runs out to pay to keep Sanchez. To compare Ozil to Bergkamp as Amy Lawrence did after his goal in midweek is utter nonsense. Ozil was missing yet again and Dembele shrugged off his timid challenge on the way to the penalty. It was not easy to shrug DB off.

  63. Mike

    Nov 07, 2016, 13:57 #94568

    Spurs - the only team unbeaten in the league but still manage to go down in the league table

  64. Bard

    Nov 07, 2016, 12:43 #94567

    David you make a good point 8 points dropped in 6 home games, that is not great news. We have only taken 4 points from 9 Liverpool, Chelsea and Spuds. Again not great. I saw nothing on Sunday that suggests we look remotely like title challengers. If youre not playing well then you have to be watertight at the back and we arent as instanced by the crazy challenge from Kos. As many have suggested we look underpowered in these sorts of games. Would like to have had Wanyama on our side, roughing up all and sundry.

  65. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Nov 07, 2016, 12:32 #94566

    Mustafi was awful, as he has been pretty much all season. A draw was a fair result - we had no cutting edge, neither did they yet ironically it could have been 3-3. Disappointing day all round.

  66. David (Original)

    Nov 07, 2016, 12:30 #94565

    @David (Other David) - we need to sort out who's who here! However, agree with your assessment; Arsenal will not win PL this season because of a lack of a good striker. Will finish, as ever, in the top 4. Probable outcomes: 4th - 1/2, 3rd, 2/5, 2nd, 2/25 and 1st 1/100. Wenger must go.

  67. Danny

    Nov 07, 2016, 12:28 #94564

    we fall flat again. just wait for the united game. Maureen will deal with wenger again i do not know what shaka brings to the game. waste of money. players are mentality weak. we need a WC striker like Aubameyang. Until that happens nothing will change i just heard a interview from wenger today, and he says in his time in football, one thing he has learnt is learning from mistakes. what a billock. learnt to make money for himself and keeping status quo and not making Arsenal great Did anyone see Chelsea and Liverpool's performances. Now they have great Managers not old senile idiot like ours

  68. jjetplane

    Nov 07, 2016, 11:36 #94563

    Excellent summation Kevin as always and dead right on Santi who has become a creative legend by virtue of his absence but of course Asano have a lot of experience spinning the virtues of those who are rarely seen in the shirt. Same applies to the absence of trophies. Now the PL is awash with brands with players to match it really is hard to think of the concept of derbies anymore. In the past it was down to the players to have it in their genetic make-up but now it is entirely superficial. Have to say it is Conte and Klopp who are running the show now and Wenger has no real intention of upstaging them. He is so accustomed to November that the 'we were nervous' bull**** has already taken over the 'ambition' to win the PL without even thinking about the CL. See how quickly a goal can be forgotten with Mesut's usual non-show when the opposition is tougher. Newsflash Theo could be lost to the world as his wife is expecting any moment. Can he make Hello! Can he ever feature in a win against the Totts again?

  69. Mathew

    Nov 07, 2016, 11:25 #94562

    Derby days were never like this, it just shows that the teams are more prepared not to loose than win. Its a joke that we failed to prepare ourselves for a 3-4-1-2 formation, glad we nullified those early runs from Son. I felt the game was all ours to win, without their key players and us playing a home game with Ozil, Theo and Sanchez in prime form. Luck didnt favour us yesterday, although most of us may disagree to it as an OG saved us. Well, Zlatan wont be playing the next game, that would give our defenders a reprieve.

  70. Wear Your Colours

    Nov 07, 2016, 10:56 #94561

    Spurs are very compact under Pochetino and they squeezed the life out of the game early on. Their high press mean't Cech had no out ball at the back and he sprayed a lot of aerial passes in the direction of Theo that Vertongen won all too easily. When we did try to pass our way around their press we were invariably flagged offside. We had a good spell fifteen minutes before the break when Ozil, Iwobi and Theo were all played into space in the box. However, we struggled to find our rhythm outside that spell. I liked the energy and combative spirit shown by Coquelin and Xhaka. Two-points dropped, lets hope we are more fluent in our play against United after the International break. COYG!

  71. Nick

    Nov 07, 2016, 10:38 #94560

    No NLDs are NEVER enjoyable unless of course they are like the 5-0 win at the scum place with that "LOOK AT THAT LOOK AT THAT "goal from Liam Brady ! Yesterday's was as flate and as boring and affair as I can remember and having seen a few Derbys since 63 that's saying something ! The players lacked motivation from what I saw nervousness was the main factor in our performance Iwobi really should have been subbed much earlier he constantly gave the ball away looked at a loss of what to do with it when he had possession and the chance he spurned was a really bad effort ! Surely in his poor form in front of goal actually BELTING the ball at their goal would have been a better option than the gentle toe poke he did employ ? The Ox had a subs appearance to forget in fact only Ramsey had any positive influence! This lot we are told are now a team of men the display yesterday belied that assertion from Wenger ! The purchase of Perez has been a placebo which has failed he was certainly NOT the top striker we and everyone and their dog said we needed Wenger bought a cheap option hasn't trusted him to start games and he is now another victim of our injury curse! It was in fact typical Wenger sleight of hand and another two fingers up to pundits and supporters! Nothing in our atacking options has changed apart from Wenger trying to contact us with Akexis moving to central striker! Already this season profligacy has cost us and in games where our gd could be significantly improved we waste chance after chance this problem has dogged us for a decade or more now yet the man in charge refuses to spend the requisite amount to rectify it ! Had we bought Suraez and not simply ticked Liverpool off with our minimum bid we WOULD have won a title by now! Nothing changes and our position in the table now is where we are most likely to finish! Champions don't draw games like yesterday's they put down a marker and make a statement of intent !

  72. GS

    Nov 07, 2016, 10:24 #94559

    Anyonebutt : Go away, go and play up your own end. "You won the league in black & White, you won the league in the 60's " ...COYG

  73. Anyonebutchelski.

    Nov 07, 2016, 10:12 #94558

    Agree with your assessment, initially I thought the penalty was a bit soft but seeing the replay the referee got it right. MOTD also got it right, Wimmer own goal should have been disallowed for offside. Having said that would have been happy to get a point before the game and ,however it went, it was a fair result. COYS

  74. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Nov 07, 2016, 10:11 #94557

    I'll be the first to say it- bottle jobs. Yet again when the pressure is on and the game actually matters we fail to deliver. Two home games running against mediocre opposition with the chance to go top and we have been stage struck both times. I now fully expect a lily-livered surrender at old trafford next time out where our so called big players disappear up their own back passages yet again. Nothing's changed the pergatory will continue until a new broom sweeps clean

  75. David

    Nov 07, 2016, 10:04 #94556

    Spurs at home was the sort of game that needs to be won, yet the powderpuff attack was found wanting (again). Arsenal's home form will cost them. 8 points dropped in the first 6 home games isn't impressive and but for a last minute penalty against Southampton it would be worse. Even the away form isn't that hot considering the four teams beaten are all sides looking down rather than up. The 3-0 win over Chelsea is the exception rather than the rule, and having seen the last couple of home games you can be sure Mourinho will have another dastardly plan ready for Wenger.

  76. King Jeremy

    Nov 07, 2016, 10:02 #94555

    A fair result it has to be said. Worryingly (predictably?) we seem to again be running out of ideas up front. When that good old Plan A doesn't work and the introduction of Giroud doesn't yield results, there is nothing else coming from the manager. I fear for the trip to Old Trafford because, as Pottechino proved yesterday, throw Msr Wenger a curve ball and he really doesn't know (or want to?) react. Morhino has had him firmly in his pocket since his arrival on the scene and the million-dollar man Pogba seems to be firing at last. In the grand scheme of the season you'd take a point, but we really need the win to keep pace with Chelsea and/or Liverpool otherwise we could be out of it by Christmas. Iwobi seemed was sadly exposed yesterday. The lad needs to put down the PS4 freebies and remember his day job. The Ox is rapidly turning into 2016's Carlos Vela - the man you bring on for the "feel-good" goal when you are 3-up with 15 minutes to play to score the "money-shot" goal, but beyond that he's painfully ineffective.

  77. Rob

    Nov 07, 2016, 9:59 #94554

    Surely the key point here is that we had a chance to go top. To say to our rivals, this is where we are and intend to stay. Spurs had not won in six and were without important players. We were at home. So the onus was on us. And once again, we flunked it. As per the last twelve years. For all our good form when it comes to the decisive moment, we can't take it and fall short - again.

  78. GS

    Nov 07, 2016, 9:55 #94553

    Another Season, Another Load of disappointment. Excuses coming out again - "Maybe a little bit tired from trip to Bulgaria"...very poor excuse. The Spuds played in tougher game 24hrs after us, so we should have been in command, its not the draw that bothers me, its TOF having no ideas, and making excuses that is the problem....Oh well Maureen awaits, Wenger's got a bit of time to check his excuse book!!!

  79. jeff wright

    Nov 07, 2016, 9:43 #94552

    All I can say is ..yawn...

  80. GoonerRon

    Nov 07, 2016, 9:32 #94551

    A really fair assessment of quite an odd game. As the Ed says, no real pattern of play or prolonged pressure from either side emerged. It felt a bit like two teams who knew they weren't playing fluently on the day and ensured they didn't lose. Ultimately though, after going ahead it's hard not to regret two points dropped. Hopefully this ends up being a point gained at the end of the season.