Arsenal Bossed at the Bridge once more

Online Ed: Time called on Gunners’ title challenge for another season



Arsenal Bossed at the Bridge once more


Cast your mind back to September. Chelsea, suffering two defeats in a row, looked at what they are doing and decided to try something different. In the 18 matches since, they have dropped five points. Arsenal, year after year, go to Stamford Bridge, get outmuscled, and continue with Arsene Wenger’s way of doing things without any noticeable change. With the same result. Good enough players to get in the top four, but never any danger of a title challenge past Easter. Arsenal have now lost five Premier League matches, and still have to visit Anfield, White Hart Lane, St Mary’s and the Britannia Stadium, as well as hosting Manchester City and United. It’s Chelsea’s title now and credit to Antonio Conte for turning a team that was 10th last season into title winners in his first campaign in the Premier League. Of course, Arsene Wenger won the title in his first full season in England, although Arsenal were actually second in the table when he arrived in 1996 if my memory serves me correctly, and fell away to third as Wenger learned about the English game. Still, that was a looooooong time ago, and as the game has evolved, Arsene looks like more and more of a dinosaur with every passing season and every footballing lesson handed out to him by teams that Arsenal are supposed to be on the same level as.

Chelsea fans sang the now familiar refrain of “Arsene Wenger – We want you to stay”, which I haven’t heard get an airing from Gooners for a long time, if ever. A fan held up a banner in the away end reading ‘Enough is enough, time to go’ and was castigated by Gary Neville, who thinks Arsenal supporters should be happy with being in the top four. I guess it could be worse, we could have Neville as our manager. Be careful what you wish for?

Arsene Wenger told the press on Friday that he almost signed Kante when he was in France, and again last summer, but Chelsea were a more attractive proposition for the midfielder. The last time I checked, Arsenal’s wage bill was more or less the same as Chelsea’s so one has to wonder why Kante chose to move to Stamford Bridge. Perhaps it is the same reason Jamie Vardy preferred to stay at Leicester – Wenger is a standing joke amongst professional footballers, along with fans of other clubs.

So Arsenal lined up with a central midfield of Coquelin and the Ox – is it any wonder Arsenal were dispossessed and outmuscled so often during the game? The full backs played as they always do and both played high up the field simultaneously exposing their team to counter attacks. Yes, Arsenal fashioned good chances from which Gabriel and Mustafi should have scored, but I lost count of the dangerous counter-attacks the home side fathomed to scupper thanks to a poor final ball. Chelsea, even if they had less possession, were by far the better team.

Critically, they outmuscled Arsenal. For the opening goal, Walcott was not interested in mixing it in his own area and allowed Alonso a running jump of Bellerin, who was helpless to prevent the goal, getting injured in the process of trying. Arsene Wenger clutched at straws after the game with his view Alonso fouled Bellerin, one not shared by any neutral. For the second, Coquelin ended up on his backside as Hazard held him off and waltzed through Arsenal’s backline. For the third, Petr Cech forgot which team he was playing for and passed it to a blue shirt. Cesc Fabregas had the decency not to celebrate his goal. Fabregas did more in his ten minutes on the field than Mesut Ozil managed in 90 minutes. Sanchez was also kept quiet as Chelsea targeted the men that they felt could be a danger. Arsenal were less attentive to Eden Hazard, who shone far brighter than the Gunners’ pair of supposedly World Class stars. On a more prosaic level, was Theo Walcott even on the pitch? Aside from his no-show for the opening Chelsea goal, I am struggling to recall any contribution from him.

Arsenal did make a fist of it until the opening goal, with Iwobi and the Ox pressing high up on Kante and Matic, but over 90 minutes, quality told. Two players in their natural position did their jobs far more effectively. I was listening to the radio before the game, and journalist John Cross suggested that Kante might not have been pursuded with total fervour by Wenger last summer because he might block the development of Coquelin. That is difficult to believe (although the manager has history for that kind of thing) but there is little doubt that Kante would have proved a better use of the money spent on Granit Xhaka.

Le Coq was removed from the fray at 2-0, leaving Arsenal with a central midfield of the Ox and Iwobi. Vieira and Petit it wasn’t. Wenger once had the knack of signing unknowns on the cheap who could do a job. Now he spends big money on players who don’t have any impact in big games like these. Arsene Wenger sat amongst the Chelsea fans to watch the game yesterday, albeit the well-heeled ones who can afford their version of club level. It would be interesting to see him sit with Arsenal fans as I suspect he’d hear some interesting comments.

Olivier Giroud entered as Plan B in place of Coquelin and in injury time scored a consolation goal from a Monreal cross, which displeased Conte greatly. It pleased me plenty. Before the kick off, I put £50 on a Chelsea clean sheet, and would have made £100 profit. However, I lost my nerve shortly before Gabriel put a clear header straight at the keeper in the last ten minutes of the first half, thinking Arsenal always score, however poorly they play. So I cashed out when I was £10 in profit rather than lose the £50. Now given that Arsenal do always score, just imagine what they could achieve with a bit of work in defensive basics…

So the top four is still on, but so what? Chelsea weren’t in the top four last season. It only matters if you have a chance of winning the Champions League. Arsenal quite evidently don’t. The significance of the extra income is far less these days in comparison to the money received for the Premier League TV rights, so it really isn’t that big a deal if the club fall out of it. Having said that, to the board, it could be more significant than the lack of a title challenge. It has become evident that the business, its growing value and profits, are more of a priority than sporting success, so if Wenger cannot deliver Champions League, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall at the board meeting after that.

However, many believe this will be Arsene’s farewell season and if it is to be (and the majority are hoping it is, even those who support the man and just want to see him end with his dignity intact) then it will have to be another FA Cup triumph if he is to bow out with his head held high. I bet you we see a decent team for the Sutton game, and strong selections in subsequent rounds if the Gunners do manage to negotiate that.

As for a first Premier League trophy for 13 years, at least the last two games have got rid of any illusion, any false hope. The reality is that Arsenal have enjoyed some good fortune this season, their points total could easily have been at least five less putting them in sixth place, and with their remaining fixtures that may well be where they end up. The rest of February sees Hull at home, Bayern, Sutton United and Southampton away, before March gets going with Liverpool away before the return leg against Bayern. How many wins do you see out of those six fixtures?

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  1. mbg

    Feb 06, 2017, 17:59 #97848

    So Sanchez didn't have one touch in the Chelsea box, not sure what to make of that, not as much tippy tappy going nowhere that's for sure, that's what happens when you come up against a team who know what their doing and don't sit back and allow it and admire. Any resignation yet ?

  2. jjetplane

    Feb 06, 2017, 16:09 #97843

    Alt-audit: Alexis new lime green boots lovely but umber might eat one of them Officially Ox is with a little Mixette and seen kissing in Paris Awwww Ozil trotting back and been overtaken by Monreal as Hazard laughs past Asano 'enforcer' is pick of the weekend. Though Ozil and Sanchez doing a guard of honour for another Chelsea attack was a cracker too. That Ross Barkley pre celebration makes Giroud's post celebration total pants. Nice one Sunderland and Hull who are the new Ath Madrid of the lower zone. Sanchez is very unhappy but it's the dogs you have to worry for. Hope Redaction are walking them ...

  3. Yes its Ron

    Feb 06, 2017, 15:59 #97842

    redshirts - sadly, thats exactly whats needed.

  4. TonyEvans

    Feb 06, 2017, 15:21 #97841

    Hi Ron - Difficult not to look at things from the perspective of the supporter I once was. You are right though we just have to accept things have moved on and 'ain't wot they used to be'.

  5. mad max

    Feb 06, 2017, 15:00 #97840

    great shout red shirt that's exactly how I and true gooners feel, what has happened 2 this once great club is apalling

  6. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Feb 06, 2017, 14:48 #97839

    Some great posts on here from the usual suspects. The so called experts, pundits and ex-pro's can say what they like, and give Wenger as easy a ride as they do. The fact is the true supporters who've lived a life supporting Arsenal (not the Wenger fan boys who think AFC was formed in 1996) know the score. We can see through the lies and the spin and the bulls**t. I have got to the point where I actually want the rest of the season to be a total car crash, for this manager and set of players who have let us down time and again to get the comeuppance they deserve. Anything to get this parasite and his band of pansies out of here, that's all I want now

  7. mbg

    Feb 06, 2017, 14:36 #97838

    Yes it's Ron, 103651, your right and then everything will be rosey in the garden (again) and we'll be good and ready to go next season, (again). You couldn't make it up.

  8. mbg

    Feb 06, 2017, 14:23 #97837

    RegW, good shout, you can bet the clubs mafia are at work,(and on who's order ?) the confiscating and banning of banners is just an example (so much for free speech)you can be sure their at it with the guests too, pundits etc, instructed on what to say not to say,(you just have to listen to Keown Henry,etc) look at such an easy ride the journos give him at the pressers, compared to what they write about him and his players in their papers out side the confines of the Emirates, why ? employees too no doubt screened on their views before given a job, goodness knows how many have lost their job because of their views and what they said in the wrong ear behind the scenes, and all because of, and on the instructions of one egoistic arrogant dictator. wenger out now.

  9. mad max

    Feb 06, 2017, 14:13 #97836

    who are these people that go and watch the arsenal these days, I gave up when we surrended 2 Birmingham in the 2011 league cup final,its not so much losing big games it,s the way we don't fight 2 win them, wenger does,nt even criticise them and the press and prick,s like gary Neville give him such an easy time. it,s ludicrous 2 continue with a manager who,s clearly not up 2 it and has,nt been for a number of years,even stevie bould just sits there on his arse chewing his gum what the ---- do they do in training all week.

  10. Yes its Ron

    Feb 06, 2017, 13:34 #97835

    Hi Tony - learn to laugh at it all matey. They keep turning up because the Membership scheme that Arsenal created means that once you ditch the Silver or the Gold, you could be out of the door for years. It traps those who buy into it. To end it, any fan has to be content and reconciled to not going again either for ever or for a few good years. The myth/lie of the 'waiting list' serves as an added sword of Damocles for those daft enough to believe that such a list exists. The Club is odious. Its not and never will be the Club we grew up to support. It took me the need to ponder in a contemplation period from 2008 to 2010 before i decided to throw it in. Glad i did. The time spent not going there is far more usefully used for better pursuits. I see them at those games now on TV at Arsenal and ask myself why oh why do they do it now? Why go there and be served up the dross like lemmings. Its nearly unfathomable isnt it. One day the Club will be revived and proud again perhaps. Ill cheer from my armchair when it does but subscribe to it again? Not for me. My Arsenal s gone. It ll succeed on the pitch again eventually. They can do it without me. We have to accept though that many match goers like what they've got, despite what such as us think. The 'corporate' types use it as a means to an end. If you ever get chance, go see a few matches up in that Club Level if youre ever offered a seat there. Best views in the bowl but you ll soon appreciate that the footballs just an aside. Thats todays Arsenal. The Club would have ALL of that stadium kitted out like that if they could. Awful.

  11. jjetplane

    Feb 06, 2017, 13:28 #97834

    Radio 5 were running a 'who should replace Wenger? phone-in and also notice how when subject comes to Groundhog Arsenal the groans are aubible from the radio. People get bored talking about the same thing which is a successful middling business selling a limited product to a semi-interested clientele. Arsenal can carry on in London in this way for decades offering an alternative to the 'in your face' type of football offered elsewhere. There is room for an Arsenal in the top six. The neurals and other fans love the culture but just maybe Wenger is becoming bored with the issue and cannot hide it anymore. He is the benign face of a passive business and he will take another 2 years and then go upstairs in a manner similar to the HofLordswhere he can daydream or try remember when he was a Player.

  12. TonyEvans

    Feb 06, 2017, 13:14 #97833

    Wenger has taken virtually all the pleasure and excitement I used to get supporting Arsenal and yet thousands still turn up on match days, at extortionate prices, and there's hardly a murmur of discontent apparently. Us Arsenal fans have never been big on vocal discontent I know; staying away in our droves (Billy Wright, Terry Neil and the Don) is the usual way to get the message across that enough is enough, but not this time it seems. Of course being top four regulars means we are nowhere near as lowly placed as we were with the three managers mentioned, and that is part of the problem. The other part of the problem is the type of fanbase we must now have: I am sure there are still a few of the old die-hard fans like I used to be that just can't (even though common sense tells them to) give up going to the games to help put pressure on the board, but the vast majority must be a new 'corporate breed' of fan that has no intention of boycotting matches to put pressure on the board to act against Wenger. The depressing predictably of the now typical Arsenal season (flatter to deceive, briefly challenge and then fall apart when the pressure is on, before the last rally to finish top four) is not going to stop anytime soon as Wenger is going nowhere until he is good and ready, and that won't be anytime soon with our docile fans.

  13. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 06, 2017, 13:14 #97832

    We've all seen all this too many times, and it's blatantly never going to change. Those still backing Wenger are very clearly and obviously putting him before the club, there's no debate to be had with these people anymore and nothing new to add until whenever he finally decides to go.

  14. Gaz

    Feb 06, 2017, 13:02 #97831

    Great stuff Ron!

  15. burked

    Feb 06, 2017, 13:00 #97830

    Yes it's time for change, Whatever about winning or not winning silverware, the thing that hurts most is watching Arsenal teams with no leadership, aggression, or character. We have a chairman who says nothing and a board who are in awe of their employee. The tail has been wagging the dog at our club for too long. Sadly I know this is going to run and run and run. John Cross writes today that Wenger should stay as he built the club...obviously he never heard that we were formed in 1886 and Herbert Chapman, George Allison, Tom Whitaker, Bertie Mee, George Graham, David Dein and many more BUILT THE CLUB...and I do respect Arsene Wenger...but time is up.

  16. Alsace

    Feb 06, 2017, 12:08 #97829

    A very fair summary Kevin. I was invited to the posh seats on the half way line by some friends and it gave me an insight I don't normally get from the North Upper at Arsenal. 1) Walcott looked like a small child and had similar impact. WHAT WAS HE DOING THERE? 2)I have shut up about Ozil thus far but the truth is he is a massive waste of space most of the time. 3) Arsenal, despite being only 1-0 down did not turn up for the second half. You could see that that vital spark, that never say die attitude, simply is not there. They will take their money and enjoy the last 14 games, shorn of the pressure of trying to win the league. To a certain extent who can blame them. There is nothing that they can do about the central problem - the manager. Chelsea defended very competently and were up with and dictated the pace of the contest. We are a team desperately in need of leadership, desperately in need of a change in command. I am pleased that Wenger is now a joke in pro football. He is a bad joke and the sooner other Chairmen start taking the mick out of Mr Gazidis and Mr Kewick in the hospitality lounge, the sooner termination will come. I have passed hoping for an assassination a long while ago, but I do want him to leave in disgrace. I just don't want to feel this way any more.

  17. Yes its Ron

    Feb 06, 2017, 11:51 #97828

    Football Clubs are like political parties. Man U are the Tories. Corrupt as f--k, everybody knows it but the media are gagged so not to talk of it. Chelsea are UKIP. Irrelevant in the grand scheme, small but with a deep black side that cant be ignored. Tottenham are the Lib Dems, year on year, full of one sh--e idea after another sh--e idea and hope one works one day but dont truly believe in any of them.Liverpool are Labour. At odds with itself, lives on past achievements and dearly wants to cut its ties with its working class support, lacks the guts to do it outright and does it by gutless stealth. They're perhaps the worst of the lot. This brings us to Arsenal - Theyre the Greens. Well meaning. Supporters are relatively quiet and content to hold the moral high ground. Philosophically smug and superior but as wet, (soggy in fact) as f--k and getting close to being as irrelevant.

  18. GSPM

    Feb 06, 2017, 11:38 #97827

    To not renew ST or stop going to games is futile while you have thousands on a waiting list waiting to get in, so a boycott in that way will not work. Only paid up fans not turning up to reduce match day spending/revenue or major crowd unrest may prove the key to it, but while Wenger achieves his bosses demands I don't think change is happening anytime soon....Watch us now raise our game and secure 2/3/4th place despite what may happen in CL. Only a major collapse will bring change sooner.

  19. Yes its Ron

    Feb 06, 2017, 11:34 #97826

    akb - love the post mate. Interesting. Yr right too i.e I d give a new Coach free rein to sell the entire squad. On Keown - hes another one of those 'legends in his own lunch time' that the PL has spawned. Never that brilliant a defender and no where near as tough as his myth has had people believe. He was a decent toiler and filled a gap here and there when we had absences among the proper defenders of his day. Hes such an apologist for AW though, its nauseating. The media love him because hes quite eloquent, probably very personable and clearly an intelligent chap. Shame hes a total bore.

  20. Yes its Ron

    Feb 06, 2017, 11:21 #97825

    Hear all that you lads say but hey, the business model is alive and well. Prepare for the March to May surge when we ll destroy all comers and show how good we are. We ll even beat Tottenham on the way to 4th place glory!

  21. Ando

    Feb 06, 2017, 10:56 #97824

    A fraud in the stands, some frauds on the pitch and con men on the board.

  22. John F

    Feb 06, 2017, 10:16 #97823

    Good post Mark,there are a couple as you say who speak their mind but not many.As if to emphasise my point Shearer today wrote Arsenal are soft and roll over too easy but stops short on blaming Wenger.Keown on radio 5 yesterday morning was fence sitting which is about as far he can go as he usually supports Wenger.Keown I suspect often meets Wenger at Arsenal functions.Thats the problem with most pundits most of them mix in football circles and it is hard for them to give an honest opinion in public ,it makes them pointless.Fans are by far the best judges on what is going on.I always ask fans of other clubs how their team is playing and I always get an honest opinion that's how I won money on Hull on sat at 5/1.

  23. Gunner Rob

    Feb 06, 2017, 9:35 #97822

    only way to change things at Arsenal is not to renew season tickets. everything else is irrelevant. If you buy a season ticket you are saying that you support the current set up and Wenger will sign a new contract. This has been going on for years, I am amazed more people dont see it

  24. RegW

    Feb 06, 2017, 8:44 #97821

    There has always been plenty of fence sitters amongst the ex-pro pundits. They've probably all been subjected to abuse from fans through their careers and hate a little bit of fan power. Plus don't under estimate the press power of clubs like Arsenal. The pundits rely on access to the club to an extent for their job so they don't want to be too critical. We know what a shower of **** runs our club so I'm sure they're flexing their muscles behind the scenes. The impending Bayern debacle will push Clouseau to the brink. The noose is round the neck so keep the faith.

  25. jeff wright

    Feb 06, 2017, 8:34 #97820

    Mark, I think it's the pain in Spain that is influencing Nevil's view on Wenger .He agrees with Wengo's comments on people who have never worked a day in football being idiots who don't have a right to criticize him. Nevil has worked in football so it's okay for him to do so.Supporters should just pay their money keep quiet and leave it to 'experts' like Gary to comment on what Wenggo is doing wrong. You couldn't make it up.

  26. markymark

    Feb 06, 2017, 8:12 #97818

    John F:- its like Wengo is the Sepp Blatter of the Premiership, they know he stinks the place out yet somehow or for some reason they keep their mouths shut. Chris Sutton on Radio 5 to be fair as stated Arsenal will not win the title till Wenger leaves. Also Steve Claridge and Danny Mills tend to be very critical of Arsenal tactical play but again it's Radio 5 rather than SKY. I wonder if the mental beating Gary Neville endured in Spain along with the probably justified kicking he got over the Liverpool keeper is colouring his judgement. It appeared inconsistent and odd.

  27. mbg

    Feb 06, 2017, 1:28 #97817

    Ah well it's good to see an AKB register and log in to try and defend the indefensible as usual, we were missing them lol. wenger out now.

  28. David1

    Feb 06, 2017, 1:01 #97816

    The future doesn't look good. 1) Arsene may be persuaded to sign as long as Arsenal finish in the top 4. 2) Any one of the following outcomes will definitely persuade him to stay on: Semi-final of CL, FA Cup win, 2nd place in PL 3) Even if he doesn't renew his contract, he would then have some hands' on football managing director's role, where he would only be happy with a managerial non-entity that will do his bidding. Our very own David Moyes. The board won't have the stones to sack him, and they will let him appoint his own successor. There aren't many positive scenarios with such a weak board.

  29. Siddy

    Feb 06, 2017, 0:04 #97815

    How can AW possibly sign a new contract? And who are the morons offering it to him? He's an egotistical fraud. Wake up AKBs. Wenger out NOW.

  30. mbg

    Feb 05, 2017, 23:30 #97814

    CORNISH, great post, yes and great passion there, you can actually see it in his eyes, kicking every ball, and TOF sits there and says nothing and lets the little dwarfs get on with it without a squeak the only passion he shows is when he wipes his hooter with his hand, and then if and when we do score he jumps up and starts this disco rap like you see some Mexican hoola dancer do in a bar with two rattles. wenger out now.

  31. mbg

    Feb 05, 2017, 23:11 #97813

    Did you hear that Gary Neville on Super Sunday ? and he actually kept a straight face, what a complete prick, what I wouldn't give to meet him at the bar, on the other hand you can see why he said it and thinks it, we'd be saying the same if man yoo or one of the other top four teams had a manager like the joke TOF is.

  32. John F

    Feb 05, 2017, 22:54 #97812

    There has got to be a hidden agenda as regards to some of these pundits and Wenger.They spend match after match telling us what faults Arsenal have but don't criticize Wenger.They either fear change at Arsenal or meet Wenger socially.If Utd had a crap manager I would want him to stay so why would Neville want Wenger to leave Arsenal.I loved it when the Spuds had Christian Gross and I would of defended him if I was a pundit.

  33. markymark

    Feb 05, 2017, 20:59 #97811

    Interesting discussion in La La Land and I'm not talking about over-hyped musicals. Yes Untold is split with Old Walter desperately trying to white wash the result through the "foul" on Bellerin. Mandy Dodd is working through the potential loss of Wenger blaming us of course! The bunker mentality is building or maybe the Branch Dividian stand-off.

  34. NickT

    Feb 05, 2017, 20:50 #97810

    Who the f*ck is Neville to belittle the views, whatever they may be, of loyal fans who travel all over the place week in week out paying top dollar to watch their team. And this coming from the man that a former Valencia president labelled 'the worst coach he's ever seen'.... I suppose to be fair he should take some credit for England's performance at the Euros last summer! F*cking virus

  35. Hi Berry

    Feb 05, 2017, 20:17 #97809

    I think one of the most depressing aspects at the moment is the way Wenger and Bould sit glued to their seats like paying customers during a game. Contrast that with Conte yesterday...barking out orders, prowling around his technical area, heading imaginary balls and celebrating wildly with the fans as another goal hits the back of the net. Teams tend to play as a reflection of their manager's personality....is it any wonder Arsenal's game is the footballing equivalent of mogadon?

  36. UTU The Arsenal FC

    Feb 05, 2017, 20:02 #97808

    Bang On Kevin. Nothing will change over The Arsenal untill we see a change in ownership and management at the club.

  37. Arseneknewbest

    Feb 05, 2017, 19:51 #97807

    PaulWard - ....or he's so completely pro-manure, he thinks that by adding his bit towards the "Arsene Wenger, we want you to stay" movement he's somehow helping to perpetuate the chihuahua's reign of doom at the Arsenal, thus keeping us mired in ground-hog world and helping manure's trophy aspirations. Either way, his opinions mean nothing to me. We're royally fooked and it's getting worse every season. I don't know what the opposite of a superlative is, but I'm running out of those words to describe the utter hopelessness of this regime. If he were trying to kill this club's meaning and uniqueness, he could not do a better job than is currently the case. I think we can safely say that he hasn't had the club's best interests at heart for many years now.

  38. Paulward

    Feb 05, 2017, 19:37 #97806

    Neville supports Wenger because he's the last active link in the PL to that treble winning Utd team in which he played. I've often heard him praise our 1998/1999 team as the best he ever played against, so his soft spot for Arsene is clear, and it reminds him how good his own team were. That was so long ago however that it is completely irrelevant to the present, and it is pretty clear to everybody that Wenger is a completely spent force. If this season plays out as I expect I don't doubt for a moment that he will leave.

  39. Hi Berry

    Feb 05, 2017, 19:20 #97805

    Gary Neville on Sky Sports tonight...what a complete effing idiot. Unfortunately that is the mindset of so many....'be careful what you wish for'!

  40. KC38

    Feb 05, 2017, 18:07 #97804

    Kevin great report as usual. We have many old fashioned views on this site but your reports are always spot on. G Neville was contradictive yesterday, he made comments asking when will Arsenal ever learn, making the same errors year after year and then questioned a fan that wants change. It's the manager that provides the same weaknesses every season so without that change we will continue to fold like a deck of cards. Let's get this clear it's not about money, it's Wengers DNA of his teams, there is something seriously wrong in the club, players just go missing game after game, we are easy to score against, there does not appear to be any discipline, no one is helld accountable, Granit X being a perfect example. Ozil Walcott the Ox, Ramsey, just disappear in games, there is no drive no desire, no doubt no one gets a bollocking, defence discipline throughout the team is non existent.There is a very good chance we will slip outside the top 4, the owner will be concerned about this and I'm hoping this will help rid us of this manager. The club is in meltdown because it has no proper leader that demands standards or discipline, I cannot believe the hierarchy are not aware of it. As it stands CFC, CIty, Spuds and Utd look likely to finish above us, sadly this will be the best thing that can happen to this club.

  41. Time for change

    Feb 05, 2017, 17:39 #97803

    Just go in May, Wenger. Please.

  42. bradyorbergkamp

    Feb 05, 2017, 17:01 #97802

    David Walsh does not agree with neville in the sunday times today.worth a look for a constructive view from an outsider.maybe we will win the C.L. this year yet even if we do it is time for something differentm

  43. GoonGer

    Feb 05, 2017, 16:34 #97801

    Enough is enough, time for change. Why buy Pires? Podolski 2

  44. mbg

    Feb 05, 2017, 15:48 #97800

    The man from Uncle, good post, yes our little light weight dwarfs bounced off him and fell on their arses as he ran through beating five of them to score. I wonder when was the last time that happened to any team in any game in the Premiership ? a player beating five men and running through to score, another record for TOF and his philosophies one you'll never hear his AKB's crowing about though. wenger out now.

  45. Arseneknewbest

    Feb 05, 2017, 15:42 #97799

    CBee - A good example of the ridicule with which players regard wengo comes from within our own, formerly admired club. In Ray Parlour's autobiography, he explains how wengo came to buy the hapless igor stepanovs (who on balance is possibly a slightly better player than gabriel...no, let's not debate that - things are depressing enough). Apparently he (RP) and other players bigged Stepanovs up to wengo for a laugh just to piss off Martin Keown who was insecure at the time about his first team prospects (strange but true). The next thing they knew, Wengo had bought stepanovs and we lost 6-1 at Manure in the early 2000s. Back to the main problem, the club is being f*cked by a small group of money grubbers - we all know who they are. They're enemies within. Anyone who puts money into the club are part of the problem; not the solution. Stop buying all their shi'ite, including match tickets - stay at home and do something more fun like letting your other half waterboard you. Most of the playing staff are an utter disgrace - move them on this summer no matter what happens for the rest of this groundhog masturbating mess of a season.

  46. mbg

    Feb 05, 2017, 15:24 #97798

    Obviously Conte done his homework (not that there was much to do or is when you play wengers Arsenal their that predictable) it didn't take him very long to suss TOF, TOF himself ? you can just imagine the homework he did, or the instructions he gave the nice smelling pansies before departing the dressing room for is seat in the stand, play your own game, plenty of passing and the goals will come, Oh and bouldeee you sit there and say nothing. Wenger out.

  47. donaldo71

    Feb 05, 2017, 15:21 #97797

    You can blame the manager,the board and the players but i blame the fans who blindly renew their ST's every summer when they know the next season is going to be the same as the last.Kroenke and Wenger are all about making money if you keep renewing your ST's you are just playing into their hands.Like putting a down payment on a car without an engine.I gave up my ST in 2009 and havent regretted it once.I have no faith in Wenger as a manager.Be careful what you wish for say the AKB's.Yeah we might get a Conte.Chelsea have had a dozen managers since 2004 just check their trophy cabinet.Oh for an owner like Abramovich who is not afraid to pull the trigger on an unsuccessful manager.He wants to win trophies unlike our American back in Denver

  48. GSPM

    Feb 05, 2017, 15:15 #97796

    And there you have it, for us to get upset at these results is to assume we are better and should be winning trophies, but as that is unlikely it's best to chill and let nature take its course . Sooner or later Wenger will leave/retire and we can all get back to Arsenal with a new belief and passion . In the meantime let's sit back and see how things unfold.....Wenger, anologue mentality on a digital world .

  49. Aylesbury Gooner

    Feb 05, 2017, 15:07 #97795

    Paulward-You can get 10/1 for a Hull win and 16/1 for a Sutton win with Skybet.Shop around you might get even better odds with other bookies.

  50. TonyEvans

    Feb 05, 2017, 14:57 #97794

    Depressing beyond belief. If I wasn't so tied to Arsenal after supporting them for such a long time I would happily swap clubs.

  51. mbg

    Feb 05, 2017, 14:34 #97793

    Your right Ed TOF is a standing joke now and has been for a long time, and yes not just among ourselves, other teams, fans, (look at the photo the chavs having a great laugh at him in his sleeping bag)managers, but who cares about that laughing at him keeps us going, it's the fact he has brought the club down to his level and has made it a laughing stock too, and for that alone he will never be forgiven. wenger out now.

  52. Paulward

    Feb 05, 2017, 14:33 #97792

    So our title " challenge" is over in February, and despite the evidence of recent times I feel the top four may be beyond us aswell this time. Reckon there are too many tough away games left which we are almost guaranteed to lose these days. Hoping the post Bayern atmospheres at home games will convince Wenger to throw the towel in at the end of the season, it's getting to the stage where you could reasonably argue that he's been a bad manager for Arsenal, even including the early years.In the meantime earn yourselves a few quid by backing our opponents in every remaining match this season, starting with Hull on Saturday.

  53. jjetplane

    Feb 05, 2017, 14:24 #97791

    Since Bellerin n got the new big fat contract he has seamlessly slipped into Emculture and is going soft already. He was better going forward than defending but now he probably wants to play in the midfield so his career as a back is over before it began. Barca did not push that much for his services. The Glum Brothers are in the dog house football wise. Mes and Umber (Wallace and Gormit) are perhaps too good for this team but that is only because their colleagues are more mid table than a lofty fourth. As Kev rightly said Arsenal were doing fine beflore Wengo ever even knew who Arsenal were. If he had never came to Highbury the last 20 years would have been a much prouder time supporting Arsenal. I went from 63 to 2004 and then thought as I left london time for a change. Few arguments with old mates telling them the PL wins are over and my oh ****ing my have I been proved right. **** the likes of Wenger. He murdered a good club and now he has not even the dignity to just shuffle off to a beach of his chice. Perhaps his own one with the amount of money 'he has earned' form giving little except the same old boring ****ing sound bites he learnt in his first SEnglish class. Total toss. Untold reckon Alonso deserves a season ban for attempting to kill Bellerin! They have a plastic ref on that site running it who like some other AKBs could not give a flying **** about Arsenal as long as they et a bit of attention. Thank **** for Kevin who is a titan amongst anti football freeloaders. Want I really want now is an audit or two (gotta pick a pocket ...) and maybe a circular or as he gone witness protection like Atwood. What a ****ing comedy and Hull are flying .....

  54. Moscowgooner

    Feb 05, 2017, 14:20 #97790

    Any sort of contract extension, even for two weeks, would be the final straw for me. (And that would bring to a sad end my attendance at Arsenal games since 68/69 - hopefully there will be thousands more 'morons' (thanks Gary Neville) like me who will go the same way.) This isn't about the Chelsea game - AW did try a new tactical approach this time around - this is about a cult of mediocrity and finding excuses for under performance.

  55. Adrian Wagenaar

    Feb 05, 2017, 14:10 #97789

    John F, the game against Hull could we be another embarrassment, however the game live on television against Sutton could be the watershed. For the last 7 years I have been watching 3rd & 4th tier football and the days when training for these teams was a few laps of the pitch, a bit of five aside and dozen press ups is long gone. When the Sutton players come on the pitch on the evening of Feb 20th they will know all our weaknesses (lets face it we have enough) and they will have a plan to turn us over in key positions to exploit those failings. For the sake of those who remember what a proper Arsenal side looked like I would ask Arsene to do two things, 1. Please pick your strongest team and 2. Get some practise time on that 3G artificial pitch, proper preparation will be needed to get through this difficult match. Losing to Chelsea, Bayern, City, the Spuds and Liverpool is one thing but losing to Sutton from the fifth tier of football might, even for you, make extending your two year contract a bit fractious to say the very least!

  56. mbg

    Feb 05, 2017, 13:57 #97788

    I don't know why Cesc didn't celerbrate his goal, TOF didn't want him, the AKB's slagged him off for not coming back, what does he owe them ? or any of us ? sweet fook all, he should have been jumping around laughing his head off (everybody else is) rubbing it in to wenger and his followers (everybody else is) maybe he just felt sorry for us, nobodyelse does. We want wenger out

  57. Rob Admin

    Feb 05, 2017, 13:53 #97787

    The title win in 89 came 18 years after the last and felt like a life-time. We are fast heading towards that same time frame...

  58. John F

    Feb 05, 2017, 13:16 #97786

    I did not think the first goal should of stood but what was more disappointing was the reaction to it,the team just gave up.My interpretation on the two year offer is that is has been on the table for a while waiting for Wenger to sign but he is undecided as he wants the fans backing.He wants a reaction to the fact he hasn't signed yet but this time round he is not getting it.The game against a revitalised Hull team under a new tactical manager could be the tipping point either way lose and the reaction would be toxic ESP as he will be sitting in the stands,win and a chorus of one Arsene Wenger will break out amongst the disciples.

  59. GoonerRon

    Feb 05, 2017, 13:05 #97785

    @ Bob Bayliss - Alonso is the same height as Costa and he had a better run at the ball than Bellerin. His chances of winning the header we're zero, and the fact that Alonso only won the header by virtue of twatting Bellerin highlights he competed well for the ball. Anywhere else on the pitch and it's a foul and probably a yellow.

  60. Bard

    Feb 05, 2017, 12:43 #97784

    Nickt I agree mate. We look at the results but the board looks at the finances. Also what needs to be factored in is what a change of manager would do to clubs interim financial position. It may affect Stan's capacity to borrow for his other projects. If it does then he needs Wenger to stay regardless of his capacity to coach. Im absolutely sure he will be at Arsenal next season unless the atmosphere at the Em gets nasty.

  61. NickT

    Feb 05, 2017, 12:33 #97783

    I’ve wanted a change of manager for a few years now but I’m convinced it’s NOT gonna happen this summer. With numerous credible sources clearly stating that there’s a new 2 year contract on the table we know 2 things. Firstly it is 100% Wengers decision…..that’s no real surprise but more importantly its crystal clear the board have absolutely no intention of letting him go and that the whispers around one or two other names are complete garbage!! So why am I so certain he will stay, as many have said he could (should) just do the honourable thing and walk away? He will stay because if need be the board will literally BEG him to stay!! Forget the laughable corporate style sound bites he feeds the media, AW is a highly intelligent man and deep down I suspect he knows he’s a busted flush BUT he’s also very loyal and loyalty is a two way street. Just as the board have been unswervingly loyal to him in recent times I think it’s plausible that even if his gut instinct is telling him to leave, the board will be prepared to virtually force him into signing if only to delay the moment that Kroenke fears the most. As fans I’d suggest most of us are bored and just want to see something different – it could be great but you naturally run the risk it won’t work out……this aint how Stan will see it though. All businessman take calculated risks but no (well run) business EVER takes risks that are completely unnecessary. Either he simply signs or the board ‘persuade’ him to sign but either way I believe he’s staying.

  62. Aylesbury Gooner

    Feb 05, 2017, 12:25 #97782

    Redshirtwhitesleeves-Could not have put it any better,not one of them is fit to wear that shirt apart from Sanchez.Bard-You are joking about the 2 year extension?.Did you see how the Palace fans to a man/woman as one made their feelings known to their players/management with the chant your not fit to wear the shirt why can't our supporters do it?

  63. DJW

    Feb 05, 2017, 12:20 #97781

    Ed: To answer your question we don't play Southampton as they have reached the league cup and I reckon we will show our class against the Giants of Sutton. Apart from that can't see many points garnered unless someone mentions the fourth place trophy is up for grabs!

  64. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Feb 05, 2017, 12:07 #97780

    Shambolic, embarrassing, disgraceful...and as predictable as night following day. Wenger you are a joke you need to leave now you egotistical imbecile. Walcott you are the biggest coward I have ever seen play professional football in my life, just get lost and get back to worrying about your coffee machine. Cech, Gabriel, Ramsey, Coquelin, ox, wikshere, Gibbs, kiscielny, mertesaker you are either past it or never were good enough, I hate you all. Collectively you have destroyed my football club. There's nothing left to say

  65. Bard

    Feb 05, 2017, 12:01 #97779

    Wow just read that Wenger has been offered a 2 year contract extension plus the club are raising some season ticket prices 3%. Extraordinary. Nothing about Sat was remotely surprising. It was men against boys all over the park. Looks like there will have to be mass protests to get rid of the current regime, clearly the owner and board cant see the wood for the trees. Depressing beyond belief.

  66. Bob Bayliss

    Feb 05, 2017, 11:58 #97778

    GoonerRon sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree. While I don't blame Bellerin for losing the initial header to the taller Costa, he had plenty of time to match the determination of his fellow full-back Alonso and make it much harder for him. His feeble attempt to compete was passive, with his arms by his side, and made it much more likely not only that Alonso would score but that he himself would get hurt. I can't imagine the likes of Nigel Winterburn or Lauren competing so timidly for the second ball against an opposition wing-back. Having said that, in fairness to Hector, that was just an example of the difference between the two sides which, as I said, goes back a decade and more. Physical presence and muscle, end of.

  67. GoonerRon

    Feb 05, 2017, 11:51 #97777

    @ Bob Bayliss - what more could Bellerin have done? He reacted to the second ball and challenged for the header as much as he could given his height. He might have even won the header (or put Alonso off) had he not been concussed by a forearm smash before Alonso headed the ball home.

  68. DJW

    Feb 05, 2017, 11:46 #97776

    We all knew what was coming but for those thinking this will be Wenger's last season why would substandard players such as Giroud and Coquelin be offered bumper new contracts unless the manager was continuing? Surely a new broom would require an upgrade!

  69. Bob Bayliss

    Feb 05, 2017, 11:31 #97775

    Dreadful reinforcement of everything that we knew was terminally wrong with Wenger's management. No team have exposed him more wretchedly than Chelsea over the past 12 years. It is little to do with "petro dollars" and everything to do with the type of players they have had: Terry, Drogba, now Kante and Costa. They have simply been physically too strong for any side Wenger has put out. While I don't hold Bellerin totally responsible for the first goal (Walcott didn't track back), his woeful attempt to "compete" with Alonso for the second ball when it rebounded from the bar was shocking. I am tempted to say he deserved to get hurt for not giving it his all. The only ray of hope at the end was not the bearded Rylan Clarke look-alike's consolation, but the "enough is enough" sign held up by a couple of gooners, it has to be said without any visible sign of any opposition from fellow Arsenal fans. Perhaps that will encourage others to make their feelings known, starting with Hull at home .

  70. CORNISH GOONER

    Feb 05, 2017, 11:15 #97774

    Same old! Drab grey pensioner in a drab grey anorak barely visible in the stands. Give me some PASSION someone. Conte, by contrast, what a guy! Did you see he personally nodding the 2 headers for their opening goal & the celebrations for the second? Quite simple really & that's why Chelski fans have taken to him & why we are rudderless. No way Alexis will stay under this geriatric regime.

  71. Gaz

    Feb 05, 2017, 10:58 #97773

    Absolutely no point in commenting on the game as we've seen it so many times before. The only important issue now is Wenger and this rumoured two year deal that our crap board are desperate for him to sign. If Wenger had a crumb of decency he'd make it easy for them by turning it down and leaving in the summer. Sadly I'm guessing they'll convince him that he's wonderful and our only hope and with a nice big pay rise he'll sign on the dotted line. My mantra for a number of years has been that whilst I'm desperate for him to leave I'd never lose respect for him. If he is still in charge next season that respect will disappear.

  72. hertsgooner

    Feb 05, 2017, 10:24 #97772

    What odds on Hull getting a result next Saturday esp as we don't like early kickoffs on a Saturday

  73. N-4

    Feb 05, 2017, 10:19 #97771

    This sort of game and attitude has been seen over the years with the same results. Part of my protest was to give my season ticket back in 2009 and not been back since...I don't pay sky or BT sports or buy any Arsenal relayed merchandise. My question is to those that keep moaning and keep attending games what type of protest are they doing and more importantly what protest will they do when they learn that Wenger has renewed a new contract?!!

  74. The Man From UNCLE

    Feb 05, 2017, 9:54 #97770

    Another pathetic performance at a place where we used to run the show. But that was a long long time ago. Wally couldn't even be bothered to track his man for the first goak. Hazard shrugged off two challenges when he should have been buried into the turf on the halfway line. Cech gifted them the third but by then it didn't matter anyway. Listening to AW afterwards he seems like he's not bothered any more. So why should we be bothered either.

  75. Up For Grabs Now

    Feb 05, 2017, 9:51 #97769

    It’s the predictability of this monotonous charade that has become boring in itself. Wenger has single-handedly knocked any enthusiasm I possessed for football pretty much out of me. I don’t care about yesterday’s result, partly as it was a given anyway, but primarily due to the repetitive mind numbingly predictability of it all, just like Wenger’s tactics. Not sure why I bothered using the plural sense there, as tactic would be more accurate! As you say Kevin, amongst other footballers and fans Wenger is now simply a joke, the problem is we long suffering Gooners are not laughing. For years, I and many others have tried to encourage those whom still attend (I stopped going after our collapse in the title race back in 2008, as I saw the writing on the wall then, coupled with the outrageous amounts of money the club fleece loyal supporters for attending games) to start consistently calling for Wenger’s head, but the appetite for concerted protest hasn’t ever really existed. Until it does, and I am not holding my breath, Wenger will now once more rally the troops, now that the pressure is off to actually win the PL, and we will finish in the top 4, halleluiah!!! This will ensure another three-year contract extension, with the tedium of being an Arsenal supporter continuing for what seems now like a life time punishment these days, rather than the joy and hope it use to bring.

  76. CBee

    Feb 05, 2017, 9:38 #97768

    Kevin, Is Wenger a standing joke among professional footballers? I have never heard any stories but if you have some I'd love to hear them. I could do with a laugh.

  77. GoonerRon

    Feb 05, 2017, 9:23 #97767

    After an encouraging opening 10 minutes the first goal was a real shifter in momentum. For me, anywhere else on the pitch it is a foul, although when an attacker is challenging in the box they rarely get given (if it was Giroud on Azpilicueta it would have been interesting to see the outcome). Most disappointing was the collective lack of response to the goal and it wasn't until the last 5-10 minutes of the half we some sort of foothold. Whilst I don't think we were as bad as has been made out (we had 3 big chances to their 1), we just didn't play well enough, consistently enough, with and without the ball to build any concerted pressure. I'm an optimist but in a way I'm sort of relieved we're out of it, too much hope can kill you. The end is nigh for Wenger and in a way I'm excited about seeing what a new manager can do with this group of players (or with our spending power and wage bill). Deflated.

  78. AJAAFC

    Feb 05, 2017, 8:45 #97766

    I think the debate on the manager is very simple and people on both sides over-complicate it. His teams challenge and play well when there are leaders on the pitch masking his deficiencies. When there aren't leaders on the pitch (the last 12 years). We falter. The style essentially remained the same but the steel didn't.